+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)

Only difference here is, she was helping your mate next door too, in the time you both paid here But I do like the words you used to describe Noir +1

Bull. Even though they might say it now, theres no mercs that would take a bounty contract, then just not shoot any other targets at the same time,

this was a bounty contract, nothing more, nothing less. He did not hire them to support his agenda, he hired them to kill/jam goons, which they did, no matter how much he cries about it now. I get it though, you have an insatiable urge to stand up for your little pal because he hates all the evil goonies, so in your mind, hiring Noir meant they not only were supposed to kill for their bounties, but they were supposed to go all out against the CFC on a full crusade alongside Gevlon. I'm certain you must know however that's not how it works. They do what you hire them for, end of.

I have this insatiable urge to stand up against double talk, hypocrisy and more generally dishonesty.

Then you're on the wrong side. Gobbo tried to scam Noir, got caught, and you for whatever reason can't see through the smokescreen smear campaign he's got going with his rodent minions.

Mischaracterization much ?

Gevlon Goblin is not my "pal", we've never interacted in any way, and I couldn't care less about goons. I have this insatiable urge to stand up against double talk, hypocrisy and more generally dishonesty. My motivation for posting on the forums is not relevant however. Like the mischaracterization above, attacking my motivation is just a dishonest diversion.

PS. You forgot to mention the 20billion bounty on your titanic

I'm sure they are shaking with fear. That's just another sign of Gevlon's peasantry. 20B for people to find and kill a titan that may or may not exist and if it does will be protected by a POS and a formidable mercenary corp? That's just not going to happen. Nobody is going to go through that much effort for chump change.

You say that, yet you seems to be leaping into his defense quite quickly, seemingly with a small enough amount of knowledge of the situation that you seem to have taken what he wrote on his blog as pure fact.

I don't really care whether they are shaking with fear or not. The 20 billion isk bounty was a reply to the false scam allegations which Noir was/is trying to spread about Gevlon. You already should know that Lucas.

Or maybe I can think for myself and see the forum apologist horse dung for what it is.

Arguable. So far I've only see you spew the same sperg he has, which is basically that his bounty contract should have somehow meant that Noir were betrothed to him. It's not like they didn't kill goons, they just killed other people too.

Can we stop talking about this now?

At the end of the day it is simple. He hired Noir to shoot goons for bounties. They shot goons. He should therefore pay (which he himself has admitted) yet he won't. He didn't ask them not to shoot anyone else, so anything else they did at the same time is irrelevant.

I'm sure they are shaking with fear.

Of course WE can your participation is not mandatory.

Then you fail to read, as you are the one repeatedly talking of a 'bounty contract' (*) and my posts were quite clearly about the conflict of interest in taking simultaneous jobs for clients with competing goals, pretty much regardless of the specifics.

Play pretend-space-lawyer and spout all the rhetorics you like, if I was in Gevlon shoes and found out the mercs I hired were working against me, they would never see the color of my money either. Simple as that. I wouldn't be as pleasant as Gevlon though. After all the "wasn't in the contract" nonsense, I'd have a field day arguing that neither was paying before hell freezes over.

Lol, what false allegations? Noir said he didn't pay, Gevlon has admitted this. Gevlon has even admitted that they did work he should have paid for but didn't.

Even bigger Lol. Gevlon doesn't pay scammers and he didn't pay Noir.

'what false allegations'
The ones Noir was spreading after Gevlon sent the mail on Friday. Why do you think Noir continued on with the supposed contract even after openly saying Gevlon had scammed them?

Even bigger Lol. Gevlon doesn't pay scammers and he didn't pay Noir.

'what false allegations'
The ones Noir was spreading after Gevlon sent the mail on Friday. Why do you think Noir continued on with the supposed contract even after openly saying Gevlon had scammed them?

The goals did not conflict. The both involved killing people in Jita, and neither involved not killing anyone. They only conflict if you think that killing the goons for a bounty means you can't kill other people who are also killing goons, which it doesn't.

And they probably don't care that they wouldn't see your money, since people dumb enough to not understand what a bounty contract is and dumb enough to harp on about Gevlon's sperg repeatedly while showing absolutely no signs of having taken the facts on board are probably not the type of people that would be in a position to be a relevant client.

They continued killing everyone in Jita because it was fun. If anyone scammed anyone here, Gevlon scammed Noir, since he got them to do a contract, then outright refused to pay. I know that's hard for you to accept since he's your leader and you have to suck up to him and all that, but that's just the way it goes buddy. Noir made no false allegations, they made very factual statements about Gevlon's refusal to pay.

"Things I keep repeating until people are bored to tears" do not constitute "facts", Lucas. Not even if you wrap them up in denial, condescension, and thinly veiled insults that every average forum-joe resorts to to advance his opinions as 'facts'.

Can you and Noir get your stories straight please Alek says Gevlons nothing to do with Darwin's lemming and now he's my heroic leader. Once you and Alek get your stories straight please tell me because I really need to know. Oh wait I might be 'Gob's alt in the Lemming holding corp' according to Alek , who knows or cares?

Well I would really expect you to say Gevlon wasn't scammed you being a trustworthy goon and all that however just plain ignoring the discussions about using eaf and ecm just makes you look a bit dumb. Saying Gevlon scammed them to save a pittance makes you look even dumber.

' they made very factual statements about Gevlon's refusal to pay' - he refused to pay because Noir had misrepresented what they would be doing in the contract and failed to mention that they would be allying with the goons who were the target of his contract. He was also much surprised that Noir had been hired by an element of the cfc without his permission. Gevlon had valid reasons for not paying and the scam excuse presented by Noir is laughable.

both parties have agreed were the facts, are false.

By both parties I assume you mean Noir and yourself!

Well with all due respect he's not the only one at fault here. I think I outlined a fair middle ground perspective of the issue. And the good news is at this point you guys are still in the portion of the disagreement before someone says something they can't take back. You guys can continue to bicker back and forth but I think it's more beneficial for both sides to realize that there were mistakes made all around. It's hard to be the bigger person and be the first to admit to this but I think it will be better that way. Now it can be scary being the first to say "ok I did this wrong" because the assumption often is the other side will quickly capitalize on that and say "see I was right!" But in most situations like this I believe that if the other person does that, they just look like a bigger tool. If people want to hold on to their grudge and disagreement even more so.

There you go, I've given both of you a way "out." I highly recommend you talk it out, realize both of your own mistakes and move on.

the Noir-me contract failure and its community response becomes free of malice (and full of dumbness instead)

OK, let's try this way. Here is my new post. The most relevant part:

the Noir-me contract failure and its community response becomes free of malice (and full of dumbness instead). Noir are PvP-ers. As soon as I became a partner, I became a "prank mark". They negotiated with the goal of outsmarting me, expecting "kudos" and not tears like Erotica 1 and the real scammers do. If I was a fellow PvP-er, I would have realized that they were smarter than me and deserve respect for being able to do two opposing contracts, not breaching the letter of either. Instead, I called them various lowly things and denied them rewards, strike that, forced their prized titan to not log in for 3 months. In their opinion, this was a very bad sport and I betrayed our connection by not taking defeat "as a man", but going after them.

When I became their partner, I viewed them as teammates working for a common goal, for mutual benefit. I negotiated casually, expecting them to work for me, just like I work for them by being generous with payments (Marmites+Lemmings get from me the price of a supercarrier every month). If they were fellow PvE-ers, they would have done the best possible job for the "kudos" and rewards. When they did not do it, I saw them as traitors. Their unexpected community disaster came from the fact that most people - and all prospective clients - are PvE players, seeing the things as I did. It hit them by surprise, because in their PvP-er echo chamber everyone saw things the same way they did.