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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1463
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:33:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:
Hey Alex thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate that. You made a number of points, If I may I want to reply to them in full. "you dont mind my saying it's a very academic point because Goblin did not hand us 10 billion ISK" well he made a contract with you. If I make a contract with you can I ask for good faith as part of the terms?
You make the point about "secret alts" and I agree as far as that goes. His main is gevlon goblin though, his blog is the greedy goblin and his main high sec war toon is botmuncher goblin, which is the one you repeatly pwned. He has blogged extensivley about it and Im surprised you profess ignorance that it was him you were killing. Espec as he told you on the friday about it. That said Im not interested in how you would treat my undisclosed kitty567 alt: You havent said if its safe as YOUR employer to join your fleet as my main char Tarojan, in my little ferox. If my enemies throw x iskies your way are you going to kill and pod me while taking a wormhole for me "cos filling both contracts"? You havent confirmed or denied that this is in actual fact, your corp policy.
Gobs laid out extremely basic, limited terms (kill x, get y, repeat) and we did our very best to kill X. Employers should expect good faith without asking, but so should mercs. Obviously it's in dispute but from our POV Goblin did not extend that good faith to us because he lied about his connection to DL, hired us for one thing in hopes we'd still do the thing we declined then getting mad at us when we did the thing we agreed to, expecting us to disclose his identity to our pilots then accusing us of disclosing it to his targets (we did neither), and cut off all communication before I could even convo him.
Good rule of thumb: When you hire a merc, assume they don't read your blog. The **** are we supposed to know if he's Botslayer, Botmuncher, or Buttmuncher in the middle of a 2k pop system with people going GCC all over the place. It's not rocket science, just be up front about what you're doing. If you intentionally keep your mercs in the dark you only have yourself to blame.
I'm sorry if that wasn't clear by now, but no, that is not our corp policy nor has it ever been in 8 years of doing business. Once you pay Noir. you are "locked in" for the contract duration and we will not be bought out. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Gin Alley
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:27:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Buttmuncher
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5832
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:14:00 -
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So, I am not particularly familiar with how the merc contracts guys do things, but isn't trying to scam your mercs like that something you can get blacklisted for? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1280
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:42:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
287
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:43:00 -
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In your blog you mentioned that you asked if it was OK to take the 2nd contract from your first employer. Why wasn't your other employer also offered the same courtesy? Just wondering what the reasoning behind that was. Consider Khanid/Kor-Azor for rent-á/Hades Effect Recruitment |
Gin Alley
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:46:00 -
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General Lemming wrote:Hire Noir for all your mercenary jobs. They will scam you, then try to make up so many excuses you stop reading them, then come back at you as client. Two ****-ups for the price of one. That sounds as a great deal. Next time, just accept a job from one side (Goons or Anti Goons). Then all this **** wouldn't have happened. When you become a big boy, you will learn hopefully.
Says the alt of the guy that has 125 wars right now |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:24:00 -
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And Noir keeps on scamming clients!
TL,DR: Someone (obviously Goons) hired Noir to take my POCOs. Noir "forgot" to mention that the POCOs are baits, they had 99% tax rate for more than 6 weeks exactly to scare off PI users. So anyone taking the POCOs will have zero tax income. Noir knew it well since they got the POCOs for me and they set the tax rate. The POCOs were in a 1-man troll corp with no allies, so anyone could take the POCOs with AFK laser dessies (since their purpose was to bait).
The second contract in a row where the target is more satisfied than the client! My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Terminus Calamity
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:15:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:And Noir keeps on scamming clients! TL,DR: Someone (obviously Goons) hired Noir to take my POCOs. Noir "forgot" to mention that the POCOs are baits, they had 99% tax rate for more than 6 weeks exactly to scare off PI users. So anyone taking the POCOs will have zero tax income. Noir knew it well since they got the POCOs for me and they set the tax rate. The POCOs were in a 1-man troll corp with no allies, so anyone could take the POCOs with AFK laser dessies (since their purpose was to bait). The second contract in a row where the target is more satisfied than the client!
Typical Goblin, instead of fact checking before hammering on the keyboard he makes up a story and hopes its the truth. Nice try QT. |
Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
20
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:20:00 -
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And how would you know that we were contracted? Did said client contact you or did you make it all up? And this is where you've made a serious mistake. We were never contracted by anyone to take them away from you. We did it out of spite and you know it. Now you're just grasping at straws trying to keep your little story going. I'm glad that you made this post because it shows everyone just how out of touch with reality that you are in this situation. Fabricating information? Has it really come to this?
If you're going to accuse us of scamming because we took your POCOs then at least give us some proof. Pics or it didn't happen..... |
Gin Alley
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:35:00 -
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I'm positive hes being deliberately idiotic to try and drive traffic to his bland and uninteresting blog. |
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Fayral
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
17
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:52:00 -
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Actually it was CCP that contracted us to remove your poco's G. The high taxes were hurting the NPE. They paid us with gecko bpo's.
We scammed them too.
/end sarcasm http://takingtangibles.wordpress.com/ - A blog detailing my adventures in EVE |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
24
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:52:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote: .....And with that we're done with Goblin.
Personally I was expecting something a bit more after all Noir's 'I'm going to get you' talk. I guess they settled for some POCO's nobody wanted instead.
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Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
249
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Posted - 2014.05.07 07:38:00 -
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All of this controversy has made it sound as if highsec pocos are serious business. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Dave Stark
5348
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Posted - 2014.05.07 07:50:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:TL,DR: Someone (obviously Goons) hired Noir to take my POCOs.
so basically, you have no idea who hired noir. which offers the possibility that nobody hired noir. hence, you're full of ****? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5845
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:01:00 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote: .....And with that we're done with Goblin.
Personally I was expecting something a bit more after all Noir's 'I'm going to get you' talk. I guess they settled for some POCO's nobody wanted instead.
If you didn't want them, why did you have them in the first place? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
29
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:41:00 -
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Wow, so not only did Noir take on conflicting jobs without informing one of the clients, acted against the interests of that same client in their executions, failed to acknowledge any wrong doing instead blaming the client and coming up with preposterous justifications, Noir also worked further against the client undoing previous contracts out of spite for having the whole thing blow up in their face...
That's very ... amateur-ish.
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
79
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:22:00 -
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*sips chai latte* |
Terminus Calamity
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:41:00 -
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Oshia Launay wrote:Wow, so not only did Noir take on conflicting jobs without informing one of the clients, acted against the interests of that same client in their executions, failed to acknowledge any wrong doing instead blaming the client and coming up with preposterous justifications, Noir also worked further against the client undoing previous contracts out of spite for having the whole thing blow up in their face...
That's very ... amateur-ish.
Goblin stop posting on alts... |
Clenz
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:46:00 -
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First you say this..
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
It was practically a blueballing/propaganda campaign against the highsec lapdogs of Goons where even the readability of the screenshot mattered.
And then you say this.
your blog wrote:
During that contract Noir pulled their shady tricks by avoiding fighting the highsec Goon slaves and attacked POCOs far from Jita not even owned by Goonwaffe but some nameless house slave.
So which version is accurate in your reality? So are you now saying that we were not instructed to blueball them out of fights?
Additionally, where is the goon outcry from this supposed "failed" contract? They tend not to be a quiet bunch. Why is it that only one of those POCO's ended up in the Goon's hands and the rest were gifted to our friends or sold?
I think the real reason you placed such a high tax on the planets was so that you could drive off competition. Especially since we caught you at one of the POCO's right before we took it down. |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
79
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:55:00 -
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What Goblin really needs is a proper spin doctor and somebody who keeps him away from the public.
He's constantly undermining his own efforts.
Kind of hilarious. ^_^ |
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Dave Stark
5351
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:00:00 -
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Solecist Project's Alt wrote:What Goblin really needs is a proper spin psychiatric doctor and somebody who keeps him away from the public.
He's constantly undermining his own efforts.
Kind of hilarious. ^_^
ftfy |
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
30
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:03:00 -
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Terminus Calamity wrote:Oshia Launay wrote:Wow, so not only did Noir take on conflicting jobs without informing one of the clients, acted against the interests of that same client in their executions, failed to acknowledge any wrong doing instead blaming the client and coming up with preposterous justifications, Noir also worked further against the client undoing previous contracts out of spite for having the whole thing blow up in their face...
That's very ... amateur-ish.
Goblin stop posting on alts... Here, have a tinfoil hat.
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Terminus Calamity
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
4
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:41:00 -
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Oshia Launay wrote:Terminus Calamity wrote:Oshia Launay wrote:Wow, so not only did Noir take on conflicting jobs without informing one of the clients, acted against the interests of that same client in their executions, failed to acknowledge any wrong doing instead blaming the client and coming up with preposterous justifications, Noir also worked further against the client undoing previous contracts out of spite for having the whole thing blow up in their face...
That's very ... amateur-ish.
Goblin stop posting on alts... Here, have a tinfoil hat.
Goblin confirmed he is handing out tinfoil hats! |
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:41:00 -
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Doesn't really matter at this stage as who said what to whom etc. What does matter , is reputation. Anyone who provides a service, be that in real life like EVE or in made up life like outside of EVE, depends on the quality of that service for future opportunities. The fact that this spat became public is enough to probably sway potential clients to go elsewhere. EVE world, like the world outside of EVE, is full of organizations offering similar services. and the random scrubs like me (Both in EVE and out of it) have choices and I'm sure those choices are probably decided by a number of factors such as: Service levels, reputation, pricing and so on.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1468
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:42:00 -
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Guess Goblin's eyes are too filled with tears to see the link a few post above literally explaining every detail of him losing his POCOs.
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
25
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:01:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Joseph Soprano wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote: .....And with that we're done with Goblin.
Personally I was expecting something a bit more after all Noir's 'I'm going to get you' talk. I guess they settled for some POCO's nobody wanted instead. If you didn't want them, why did you have them in the first place?
I never had them, never wanted them. Apparently neither did Noir. I think they just like grinding structures.
Got to admit they certainly scammed RvB. Salutes to Noir for that they seem to be getting better :). |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group
27
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:04:00 -
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Think there is a lack of understanding as to what a scam is here. |
kraiklyn Asatru
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
485
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:41:00 -
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Did Failed diploamcy only hire you guys for 1 fight? Expected to see more of you. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1470
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:51:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Did Failed diploamcy only hire you guys for 1 fight? Expected to see more of you. For the day's timers, generally. But after that one fight we got told to stand down.
EDIT: was a very gf. Does OF have video? I remember you guys have some very good vids of previous fights. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Psianh Auvyander
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
81
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:55:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Did Failed diploamcy only hire you guys for 1 fight? Expected to see more of you. For the day's timers, generally. But after that one fight we got told to stand down. EDIT: was a very gf. Does OF have video? I remember you guys have some very good vids of previous fights.
Because we seriously are bad at remembering to hit record :( [url]https://psianhauvyander.blogspot.com/[/url] @wsethbrown |
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