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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1619
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:46:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.
Either way, it's still hiding.
I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear? It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4628
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:51:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion. And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself. You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.
Military experts call that taking a successful doctrine and adapting it to your own needs, working in small cells is a highly successful method of warfare that is as old as mankind itself, a prime example would be the various resistances during WW2, the French, Polish and Yugoslavians used it to very good effect as did the Allies in the African Campaigns. It was also used during the American Revolution.
However you should really check your sources, from what I can see there are a significant amount of New Order pilots in one alliance, others are members of large corps & alliances and only the minority are running around in one man corporations, primarily because they're dodging NPC taxes. On the whole I would say that there are many more miners in one man corps and NPC corps than there are New Order pilots, so the question that must be asked is, just who is avoiding the wardecs?
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:54:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.
Either way, it's still hiding. I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear?
A goonie that lives in high?!?!?!?! Say it ain't so!!! 
 Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |

Wescro
Knights of the New Order
20
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:56:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:I understand just fine. Your best defense is to hit the orbit button and that's too much. You could pay them for a permit or pay gankers to run them off either way when they show up you're gonna pay someone...or hit orbit.
Orbiting is marginally better gameplay than sitting there in a Civilian Shield Booster equipped hyper-yield Mack with lasers turned off long ago from the orehold being full. It's still not active gameplay.
Also, after a single day of bumping practice you learn to kick orbiters 40km out in under a minute. I'll outline the technique here for anyone that thinks I'm bluffing.
Get close the the orbiter (<5000m) and then set your speed to 140m/s and hit approach. You will slowly approach their ship, but not fast enough to bump it. As you get closer lower your speed to about 120m/s an then to 90m/s as you reach right up to him. At this speed, your ship will keep trying to approach the orbiter, but never quite catch up since you are both going at the same speed. You are now orbiting with him, but right behind him.
This is the trick, you are now both aligned and facing the same direction. See trying to bump an orbiter from the side makes you hit only the edge of their hitbox (if you hit them at all), which splits the vector into a forward and sideways component. Only one of those vectors is usually helpful since the other one pushes them closer to the ice. Once you are aligned, the entire bump force is applied in a single direction that is at a tangent to their orbit, in other words, they are kicked outside their orbit, and not back inside.
Once you are aligned and approaching at 90m/s. Completely stop your ship. You will still be facing him, but he will start gaining on you. Once he gets 2500m away (the magic number), turn on your Microwarpdrive and hit approach. Turn the Microwarpdrive off immediately, so that it turns off after its first cycle, and get ready to hit stop ship as soon as you make bump contact.
This should kick the orbiter at least 5km in a tangent to his current point in orbit. As soon as you make contact you must stop your ship and watch the miners distance from you. As soon as it crosses the magic number again (2500m), turn on Microwarpdrive, and click approach and repeat the process as necessary until they are in the penalty area.
Only one miner of all the miners I have ever bumped managed to defeat this technique, but he now has a permit so good luck trying to get that information. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1227
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:05:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear? A goonie that lives in high?!?!?!?! Say it ain't so!!!   Those freighters aren't going to gank themselves.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
9
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:33:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: It was used during the American Revolution against the British, the Boer War against the British, the Vietnam War against the Americans, and in recent history by the IRA in Ireland and mainland Britain, against the USSR in Afghanistan and is still being used there against Coalition forces (Irony right there, the people fighting the Coalition forces were mainly trained and armed by the US to fight the USSR). It is also known as Guerrilla warfare or Petty Warfare.
AKA asymmetrical warfare. As a concept, it's older than Sun Tzu
GÇ£When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.GÇ¥
Or, in a longer form: GÇ£If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.GÇ¥
And, of course: GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥
~ Sun Tzu
Seems that James 315 has been doing his homework. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2257
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:49:00 -
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Scrofulous Vermin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: It was used during the American Revolution against the British, the Boer War against the British, the Vietnam War against the Americans, and in recent history by the IRA in Ireland and mainland Britain, against the USSR in Afghanistan and is still being used there against Coalition forces (Irony right there, the people fighting the Coalition forces were mainly trained and armed by the US to fight the USSR). It is also known as Guerrilla warfare or Petty Warfare.
AKA asymmetrical warfare. As a concept, it's older than Sun Tzu GÇ£When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.GÇ¥ Or, in a longer form: GÇ£If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.GÇ¥ And, of course: GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ ~ Sun Tzu Seems that James 315 has been doing his homework. We can't defeat CONCORD. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
14
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:53:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:We can't defeat CONCORD. Nope. But James 315 has successfully outflanked them.
Excellence!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2259
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:05:00 -
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Scrofulous Vermin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:We can't defeat CONCORD. Nope. But James 315 has successfully outflanked them. Excellence! Miners used CONCORD and EHP Buff. Combo successful ! It was very effective! James 315 used Bumping ! It was mega effective ! Miners were stunned ! Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
16
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:09:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining ! Not very effective at all!
James wins!
Heh! I LOL'd.  |

Leto Kynnes
Custom Paradox
0
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:11:00 -
[161] - Quote
Came in looking for posts talking about "enjoying x type of tears" in order to laugh at the petty immaturity.
Left quite satisfied. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2259
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:12:00 -
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Scrofulous Vermin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining ! Not very effective at all! James wins! Heh! I LOL'd.  It worked before, next thing you knowthey'll have their antibumping module or buff or whatever. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
16
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:17:00 -
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Mmmmmaybe.
CCP has come out and stated that James' campaign is 'emergent gameplay' and not an exploit. I suspect that he'd have to be MASSIVELY more successful than his modest success to-date before CCP is going to worry about the mechanic. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
272
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:28:00 -
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Scrofulous Vermin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining ! Not very effective at all! James wins! Heh! I LOL'd.  I wouldn't go so far as to say that it wasn't very effective yet. I mean, it's not over 'til the fat lady sings, and we're still waiting for CCP Falcon's verdict on the whole miner bumping thing.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
279
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:32:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Scrofulous Vermin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining ! Not very effective at all! James wins! Heh! I LOL'd.  I wouldn't go so far as to say that it wasn't very effective yet. I mean, it's not over 'til the fat lady sings, and we're still waiting for CCP Falcon's verdict on the whole miner bumping thing. From where I sit, it's just another step in the arms race. James 315 is on top for now - and probably will be for some time. Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them, and James 315 will be forced to come out with a new tactic.
See-saw, and right now, James 315 is up. When that changes, I don't expect him to be down for long at all - He seems the sort to act rather than whinge.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2263
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:37:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:From where I sit, it's just another step in the arms race. James 315 is on top for now - and probably will be for some time. Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them, and James 315 will be forced to come out with a new tactic.
See-saw, and right now, James 315 is up. When that changes, I don't expect him to be down for long at all - He seems the sort to act rather than whinge. You see, the funny thing is
silens vesica wrote:Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them I'd bet on the "balancing" change, I really would. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

SaKoil
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:48:00 -
[167] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills
You are kidding, right? |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
277
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:49:00 -
[168] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:[Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them, and James 315 will be forced to come out with a new tactic.
"Balancing", yes. New skills? Nope.
Edit: I see that this sentiment has already been expressed.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2278
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:50:00 -
[169] - Quote
SaKoil wrote:silens vesica wrote:Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills
You are kidding, right? Miner has evolved "Whining to CCP" to "Whining to CCP-ga" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
247
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:54:00 -
[170] - Quote
They must have been on vacation when I spent a week mining ice in Gallente space for my cap ships. Ice belt was full, was even containers proclaiming their mining permits and so on, but yet, didn't see one bump happen.
( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |

Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
1065
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:55:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion. And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself. You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.
If you read my bloody reply properly... It was aimed at the OP. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:59:00 -
[172] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion. And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself. You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions. If you read my bloody reply properly... It was aimed at the OP. Anyway James315 and his friends are making good use of the CONCOD and wardec mechanics. It's not even that special, people have been doing this for forever. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. United Sytems Against Terrorist Opperations
59
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:16:00 -
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An update on the "success" of Torarjan Collective and Toledo Guard's inspiring uprising against the New Order is now available at http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/torarjan-collectives-resistance.html .
For those who expected the doughy rebels to have no chance at carrying out their plans, well, just go to the website and you will see, that you were pretty much correct.
BBB |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:08:00 -
[174] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:An update on the "success" of Torarjan Collective and Toledo Guard's inspiring uprising against the New Order is now available at http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/torarjan-collectives-resistance.html . For those who expected the doughy rebels to have no chance at carrying out their plans, well, just go to the website and you will see, that you were pretty much correct. Thanks for the update. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1978
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:12:00 -
[175] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:An update on the "success" of Torarjan Collective and Toledo Guard's inspiring uprising against the New Order is now available at http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/torarjan-collectives-resistance.html . For those who expected the doughy rebels to have no chance at carrying out their plans, well, just go to the website and you will see, that you were pretty much correct. BBB
This is some amazing content right here. Anyone who is bored in highsec or bored with EVE in general take note. . |

Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:14:00 -
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Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.
Regardless expected to see either:
1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again. 2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.
Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month. "If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."-á --á James 315 - aka - the miner bumper |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4706
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.
Regardless expected to see either:
1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again. 2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.
Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month.
That's strange, I see James in local all the time, within the last 36 hours at that, your hopes of him having been banned are futile.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:27:00 -
[178] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.
Regardless expected to see either:
1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again. 2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.
Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month. That's strange, I see James in local all the time, within the last 36 hours at that, your hopes of him having been banned are futile. They've been hoping for a very very long time. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
332
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:30:00 -
[179] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.
Regardless expected to see either:
1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again. 2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.
Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month. Hey man I hate to burst your bubble but https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2375695#post2375695
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Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:32:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.
Regardless expected to see either:
1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again. 2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.
Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month. That's strange, I see James in local all the time, within the last 36 hours at that, your hopes of him having been banned are futile.
Hmmm my bad eve-search fails on me again. Oh well the peace in GD was still nice without another of these threads. "If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."-á --á James 315 - aka - the miner bumper |
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