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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
338
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:49:00 -
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Can someone explain to me again why making full use of the game's mechanics to protect yourself is cowardly?
Edit: I've just had a revelation. The reason miners refuse to orbit/stay ATK/fit tanks/position themselves properly/use appropriate ships/mine somewhere else/blow us up/hire mercenaries to blow us up is because it would be cowardly!
This explains so much!
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
330
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:00:00 -
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Your website says "Educate and empower miners". This is absolutely a good thing, however, you may want to address the inaccurate content on your site, and in your post, to fully realise this goal.
Bullying and griefing are both violations of the EULA, and quite rightly so. Anyone who is, or sees someone else, being griefed or bullied should file a petition with the GMs. The reason filing a petition against an Agent is a violation of the Code is because we do not violate the EULA, which means petitions against us waste GM time and keep other players with real issues waiting longer. This is Eve; what is or isn't permissible in another game is irrelevant here.
You are incorrect about our stated aims. People like to latch on to the AFK or bot parts of the Code while completely missing the other parts, failing to get the underlying point and not even being in the same ballpark as our goals. As for deliberately targeting newer players, this is nonsense. However, the quicker a new player gets ganked and podded, the quicker they learn the full extent of the danger undocking entails. Will some leave the game because of this? Sure, but if they work their way up to an officer-fit mission running ship and then it happens to them, they'll still quit, and probaby be a lot more upset.
While agents (like most people) occasionally drop a few curse words in local chat, it's actually the miners who are the by far the worst offenders. Not only does foul language seem to be the default response of a great many miners when they're confronted with rational argument, but also a number have been successfully petitioned for going as far as to threaten real-life violence to agents. Peronally, I had a guy threaten to cut off various parts of my body and re-arrange them because his internet space pixels were nudged a few virtual kilometers by my space pixels. I'm sure we can agree that this is far beyond the realm of acceptable conduct.
I'm skeptical about your resistance because you aren't the first and you'll likely not be the last. The current head of the resistance hasn't updated his blog in over a month. Fighting us will take time, isk and effort and these are things that, so far, bumphurt miners haven't been willing to do - just look at the lackluster support you've gotten in this thread; a few people saying "go get 'em", but I don't see pages of posts from people saying they'll dock up their mining ship and come join the fight in a combat ship.
With all that said, I sincerely wish you well in your endeavour, and look forward to meeting you and your followers on the field of battle, where I shall kill you. Should you mount a successful, sustained and visible operation againt us, whether you win or lose, the New Order is victorious because we will have provoked you into emergent gameplay, and that's good for the game as a whole.
admiral root Agent of the New Order of Highsec Desirablely belligerent
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
298
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:01:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:I'm hoping against hope that James is just partaking in some humorous roleplay, and is just looking for some attention from his MinerBumping blog.
Because it would make me lose even more faith in people that make careers out of griefing if his attitude in-game and in his blog is a reflection of his real-life personality. Personally I think it's like some massive troll and all the bumpers are following along because it's funny to them. I know I do. I mean yeah, if it's for reactions and roleplaying, I completely understand why he does it. I can't respect it, but I understand and acknowledge it. But if he is honest-to-God offended at highsec miners...then he needs a life check. Sadly, I know people, IRL, who are just *exactly* like James. Yes, delusional megalomania is real. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

destiny2
81
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:05:00 -
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Solution. Right click your rocks your mining select keep at range :).
Solution 2. Complaining wont make it go away.
Solution 3. Noone ever said space was going to be nice.
Solution 4. Blow him up.
Solution 5. All of the above. |

Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:09:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Solution. Right click your rocks your mining select keep at range :).
Solution 2. Complaining wont make it go away.
Solution 3. Noone ever said space was going to be nice.
Solution 4. Gank him. Then have a friend gank his pod. Repeat until he goes away.
Solution 5. All of the above.
Fixed it for ya.
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Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:10:00 -
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If you had told me three years ago that bumping miners would replace suicide ganking/canflipping and that people would start 50+ page whine threads about it.....
My reaction:
                        
Although it is kind of sad, too. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1211
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:14:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Can someone explain to me again why making full use of the game's mechanics to protect yourself is cowardly?
Edit: I've just had a revelation. The reason miners refuse to orbit/stay ATK/fit tanks/position themselves properly/use appropriate ships/mine somewhere else/blow us up/hire mercenaries to blow us up is because it would be cowardly!
This explains so much! To use the games mechanics you can not undock so you never get blown up would you call that cowardly? People who specifically go after those people who cannot fight back are cowards
It is kind of the definition of a coward, some on who is too scared they might get blown up by someone who can shoot back before they can get them.
Dropping a super carrier on a battle cruiser = Coward Attacking defenseless ships = Coward
You can frame it how ever you like but going after the weak and helpless is cowardly. There really is no other way to describe it.
Call yourself a brave defender of some such crap it doesn't matter
A coward is a coward. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:19:00 -
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Pick a half dozen or so of the supporting corps who bump you.
War-dec
Gank
Profit???
Did I miss something? |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
619
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:33:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:You can frame it how ever you like but going after the weak and helpless is cowardly. There really is no other way to describe it. hilarious |

Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:37:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You can frame it how ever you like but going after the weak and helpless is cowardly. There really is no other way to describe it. hilarious
I would call it Darwinism
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:44:00 -
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admiral root wrote: Peronally, I had a guy threaten to cut off various parts of my body and re-arrange them because his internet space pixels were nudged a few virtual kilometers by my space pixels. I'm sure we can agree that this is far beyond the realm of acceptable conduct.
admiral root Agent of the New Order of Highsec Desirablely belligerent
IMO anyone doing that should be banned from EVE period....
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1213
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:13:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You can frame it how ever you like but going after the weak and helpless is cowardly. There really is no other way to describe it. hilarious I would call it Darwinism Yeah I don't think any one would swallow that.
Kind of like an oil company creating a massive spill and saying Darwinism.
Plus Darwinism is more to do with a species ability to adapt, yes the strong attack the weak over scarce resources but at the end of the day you will not find many members of our society that will praise those that attack the defenseless.
As I said call it anything you will it is still cowardice. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5884
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:16:00 -
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Why can't EVE players act like real life pirates and go after the warships of large powerful nations which offer a real challenge, rather than merely picking off unarmed haulers full of valuables?  MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1213
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Why can't EVE players act like real life pirates and go after the warships of large powerful nations which offer a real challenge, rather than merely picking off unarmed haulers full of valuables?  Oh did I miss the statue someone put up for these pirates?
I thought they were hunted for being scum and people tried to put a bullet in their heads, my mistake.  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5885
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:29:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Why can't EVE players act like real life pirates and go after the warships of large powerful nations which offer a real challenge, rather than merely picking off unarmed haulers full of valuables?  Oh did I miss the statue someone put up for these pirates? I thought they were hunted for being scum and people tried to put a bullet in their heads, my mistake. 
I believe the commonly accepted method is to try and whine them to death. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
457
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:As I said call it anything you will it is still cowardice. So what? No one cares how "cowardly" these gankers and bumpers are except idiot carebears who think e-honour is a compelling reason to not do something in a video game. |

Mira Robinson
Omni Galactic Resource Excavation Inc. Tri-Star Galactic Industries
37
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:33:00 -
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I look forward to the day he gives up and quits.
He wouldn't be the first to campaign against highsec and AFK miners.
I mean hell, if something as organized as Hulkageddon didn't deter us, then I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time.
Sure, he may be making a ripple or two now, but things will eventually return to normal. They always do. Eve has been here for nearly 10 years, and AFK miners are still in abundance. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
458
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:36:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits. If he does, it certainly won't be due to the actions of miners. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
340
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:47:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits.
He wouldn't be the first to campaign against highsec and AFK miners.
I mean hell, if something as organized as Hulkageddon didn't deter us, then I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time.
Sure, he may be making a ripple or two now, but things will eventually return to normal. They always do. Eve has been here for nearly 10 years, and AFK miners are still in abundance. James is not from the UK.
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Doc Severiide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:48:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits. If he does, it certainly won't be due to the actions of miners. No, his mom will make him get a job and move out of the basement... |

Mira Robinson
Omni Galactic Resource Excavation Inc. Tri-Star Galactic Industries
38
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:02:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits.
He wouldn't be the first to campaign against highsec and AFK miners.
I mean hell, if something as organized as Hulkageddon didn't deter us, then I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time.
Sure, he may be making a ripple or two now, but things will eventually return to normal. They always do. Eve has been here for nearly 10 years, and AFK miners are still in abundance. James is not from the UK. Well he's from somewhere over there, according to his blog's timezone. Seems all the pilots who look for attention by being disgruntled by miners and highseccers are from over there. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5888
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:04:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote: I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time...
Challenge accepted
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5888
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:05:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits.
He wouldn't be the first to campaign against highsec and AFK miners.
I mean hell, if something as organized as Hulkageddon didn't deter us, then I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time.
Sure, he may be making a ripple or two now, but things will eventually return to normal. They always do. Eve has been here for nearly 10 years, and AFK miners are still in abundance. James is not from the UK. Well he's from somewhere over there, according to his blog's timezone. Seems all the pilots who look for attention by being disgruntled by miners... are from over there.
Margaret Thatcher plays EVE c/d? 
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:06:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Frying Doom wrote:As I said call it anything you will it is still cowardice. So what? No one cares how "cowardly" these gankers and bumpers are except idiot carebears who think e-honour is a compelling reason to not do something in a video game. Personally I am happier to call a coward a coward rather than saying that they are some how better because they are not even big enough to be a real life coward but have to be cowards in a video game. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Mira Robinson
Omni Galactic Resource Excavation Inc. Tri-Star Galactic Industries
38
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:11:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Mira Robinson wrote: I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time... Challenge accepted It would be quite the challenge.
Five Hulkageddons plus a 'permanent' one did nothing to AFK'ers. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Why can't EVE players act like real life pirates and go after the warships of large powerful nations which offer a real challenge, rather than merely picking off unarmed haulers full of valuables? 
That works for freighter and haulers but not miners...
Not that I am against the destruction or bumping of miners. Just wondering if it can really be called piracy? How do we call the attack of production means if it's not done by a country at war anyway? |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
340
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:15:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits.
He wouldn't be the first to campaign against highsec and AFK miners.
I mean hell, if something as organized as Hulkageddon didn't deter us, then I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time.
Sure, he may be making a ripple or two now, but things will eventually return to normal. They always do. Eve has been here for nearly 10 years, and AFK miners are still in abundance. James is not from the UK. Well he's from somewhere over there, according to his blog's timezone. Seems all the pilots who look for attention by being disgruntled by miners and highseccers are from over there. The blog's timezone is EVEtime, which is coincidentally the same as England's at the moment.
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Mira Robinson
Omni Galactic Resource Excavation Inc. Tri-Star Galactic Industries
38
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Why can't EVE players act like real life pirates and go after the warships of large powerful nations which offer a real challenge, rather than merely picking off unarmed haulers full of valuables?  Because then it would be good, effective roleplaying, instead of acting like the schoolyard bullies they are.
And every time a ******* idiot miners buys a "permit" they have, in effect, given them his/her lunch money. |

Mira Robinson
Omni Galactic Resource Excavation Inc. Tri-Star Galactic Industries
38
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:16:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Mira Robinson wrote:I look forward to the day he gives up and quits.
He wouldn't be the first to campaign against highsec and AFK miners.
I mean hell, if something as organized as Hulkageddon didn't deter us, then I doubt another twit from the UK is gonna make any kind of reasonable impact for any decent length of time.
Sure, he may be making a ripple or two now, but things will eventually return to normal. They always do. Eve has been here for nearly 10 years, and AFK miners are still in abundance. James is not from the UK. Well he's from somewhere over there, according to his blog's timezone. Seems all the pilots who look for attention by being disgruntled by miners and highseccers are from over there. The blog's timezone is EVEtime, which is coincidentally the same as England's at the moment. My second clue was how he spells select words. "Honour" being the main giveaway. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
621
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:19:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:Malcanis wrote:Why can't EVE players act like real life pirates and go after the warships of large powerful nations which offer a real challenge, rather than merely picking off unarmed haulers full of valuables?  Because then it would be good, effective roleplaying, instead of acting like the schoolyard bullies they are. I see. |
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