Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec.

Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec.

Humour.

As a new player to Eve, it's really annoying to deal with these miner bumpers.

Even if I had the money why would i hand it over to some kid who wants to play Hit.ler on the internet.

It's about time someone has stood up to these clowns. They've tried to extort me several times, but to no avail. Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec.

How many resistance movements have there been now? I've lost count. Why do resistance fighters always make a new group instead of joining another :S

Their bullying extends beyond the acceptable threshold within Eve. Their members regularly spam local chat with profanity and vulgar insults

What's this about the New Order prioritising new players as targets? Are Ventures difficult to bump? I doubt they'd be targeted over a Mackinaw in a gank? Something smells fishy.

What's this about the New Order prioritising new players as targets? Are Ventures difficult to bump? I doubt they'd be targeted over a Mackinaw in a gank? Something smells fishy.

You're all missing the point of what he's doing I think. He isn't going around personally bumping miners and making them cry, he is acting like a false prophet, demanding corporations worship and payment, and when they refuse he declares an unending war on each member, claiming it will never stop until they leave EVE.

I personally, think it's hilarious, and a fun little twist in game play. I really do hope he's a roleplayer though, or he may need to be sectioned under the mental health act.

How many resistance movements have there been now? I've lost count. Why do resistance fighters always make a new group instead of joining another :S

Came in to read text full of miner tears. Left satisfied.

You're all missing the point of what he's doing I think. He isn't going around personally bumping miners and making them cry, he is acting like a false prophet, demanding corporations worship and payment, and when they refuse he declares an unending war on each member, claiming it will never stop until they leave EVE.

I personally, think it's hilarious, and a fun little twist in game play. I really do hope he's a roleplayer though, or he may need to be sectioned under the mental health act.

This movement was created by the minerbumber themselves. When they simply ****** with the wrong group of people.

You have to look a bit deeper. Like Mallak's forum sig. He's clearly crying that casuals are taking up his highsec.

You seem to be having a lot of trouble with the part about looking deeper.

I especially love the opening entry of Jame's MinerBumping blog, how he actually believes miners beat their children when they get popped.

Going by their standard reactions, that is a likely outcome. You would not believe how frequently I receive threats of real life physical violence & murder after blowing up someones computer game spaceship.

Good grief people. They even let you know where they are operating : http://www.minerbumping.com/p/maps.html

Mine where they are not. Very very simple.

Oh but, why should miners have to warp their ship one system over to avoid this obvious greifing harrassment? Do you know how much time and capacitor that takes? 10 minutes of warping and approaching ice means 0.4m less ISK per hour, not to mention all that effort involved of clicking things and being at the keyboard.

I would like to take the opportunity to correct you on this matter. We do not spam local chat with profanity &/or vulgar insults, miners seem very proficient in this though. I look forward to seeing you employ swift justice on these terrible people at some point in time (Heh, who am I kidding? This will never happen).

3 pages already and nobody has realized that this Tolero Guard is the same Torarjan Collective that was featured in James' most recent blog post?

not your personal army, Mr. Salvator.

Yes. Their website designs are the same, their writing styles are the same.

3 pages already and nobody has realized that this Tolero Guard is the same Torarjan Collective that was featured in James' most recent blog post?

not your personal army, Mr. Salvator.

Going by their standard reactions, that is a likely outcome. You would not believe how frequently I receive threats of real life physical violence & murder after blowing up someones computer game spaceship.

I would like to take the opportunity to correct you on this matter. We do not spam local chat with profanity &/or vulgar insults, miners seem very proficient in this though. I look forward to seeing you employ swift justice on these terrible people at some point in time (Heh, who am I kidding? This will never happen).

I took the time to report myself as a New Order Agent at the spot provided. Seemed to work correctly. Could have used a few more "offenses" to report myself for.

Many of you on this forum will already be familiar with the actions of James315, the New order and minerbumping.

However for those of you that are not:

The New Order is at itGÇÖs very core a well established grefing organisation. Using creative game mechanics they threaten, extort and bully other Eve players.

The stated goal of the New Order is to eradicate bots and AFK players. However, it takes only a moment of investigation to uncover this as a blatant lie and justification for their actions.

Their bullying extends beyond the acceptable threshold within Eve. Their members regularly spam local chat with profanity and vulgar insults, threaten to harass capsuleers to such a degree that they will either give in and join their cause or they promise to make game play impossible and then the capsuleer subsequently quits playing Eve Online. While the attacks seem at first to be non discriminatory, closer inspection reveals that the New Order regularly targets new, vulnerable players as a top priority.

In New Eden, as throughout the rest of the Galaxy one constant seems to hold true GÇô the evil hearted, the war mongerers, simply the bad people within society fight so rough that all the good is drained out.

It's now time to stand up to these thugs

• To learn how to avoid being miner bumped, have a look here.
• To report a member of the New Order and ensure they receive just punishment for their crimes have a look here.
• To learn how we are going to rip this organisation to threads, have a look here.
• To help save your fellow miners, you can find ideas on how to spread the word here.
• To make a financial contribution to allow us to ramp up our attacks have a look here. (you may remain anonymous).
• If you have participated in miner bumping / extortion on behalf of the New Order and want to redeem yourself, you can learn how to do that here.

If you are an industrial based corp and want to make contact with us, please rest assured than if you tell us, we will keep your identity 100% secret and will not reveal your contact at all.

James315 and the New order, it's time to end your harassment and return to normal game play.

no hisec miner would ever put this much effort into eve

i'd love it if this were genuinely people who don't actually play eve being bumped into doing so, but it's much more likely a cashgrab by bumpers...which makes me love it regardless

Wait, it's a scam...?

It's about time someone has stood up to these clowns. They've tried to extort me several times, but to no avail. Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec.

Why would people want to put effort into stopping him when you can be free of his action with just a few clicks?

You people don't spend thier energies the right way.

If James 315 wants to stick by his 'principles' and playstyle, we can stick to ours.

Although I'm sure in your view, spending our energies the 'right' way would be bowing to bullies and letting ourselves be extorted.

The Revolutionary Front fully supports this initiative to stand up to James 315 and his cronies. Any effort to aggressively pursue your own interests in the game at the expense of other players is admirable and we salute you for it.

The Revolutionary Front also supports James 315, the New Order of Highsec and the New Halaima Code of Conduct. While the Revolution embraces Bots of many kinds, we recognize that mining Bots are bad people who should be punished. We find http://www.minerbumping.com to be hilarious, and wish James 315 the best of luck in his worthy endeavors. Thank you for making highsec more interesting.

You're very supportive.

Good grief people. They even let you know where they are operating : http://www.minerbumping.com/p/maps.html

Mine where they are not. Very very simple.

How many resistance movements have there been now? I've lost count. Why do resistance fighters always make a new group instead of joining another :S

Simple, these are the same people crying about how nullsec is unfair because they don't want to help build "your empire". If they aren't the creative mind and center of attention they get angry.

Secondly, donGÇÖt believe them when they tell you that once you pay you will free from them for 365 days. Almost all miners report being extorted by multiple agents who all request payment. They then message you notifying you that they have an GÇ£adminGÇ¥ error and you have to repay the fine.

Basically, you get added to a list of GÇ£easy payersGÇ¥ and they will continue to extort you.

We're all James 315's pets now.

Only a pet?, according to popular belief amongst miners James 315 has 200+ alts & accounts, is actually Mittens and masquerades as CCP Soundwave on his days off.

I am James 315, not a lowly pet

Only a pet?, according to popular belief amongst miners James 315 has 200+ alts & accounts, is actually Mittens and masquerades as CCP Soundwave on his days off.

I am James 315, not a lowly pet

The New Order is at itGÇÖs very core a well established grefing organisation. Using creative game mechanics they threaten, extort and bully other Eve players

Astonishing how I keep hearing of this hilariously petty to and fro between crying miners and some fella with a messiah complex

Astonishing how I keep hearing of this hilariously petty to and fro between crying miners and some fella with a messiah complex

As a new player to Eve, it's really annoying to deal with these miner bumpers. I don't have 10 or 30 mil ISK to drop to be rid of the harassment. Even if I had the money why would i hand it over to some kid who wants to play Hit.ler on the internet.

As a new player to Eve, it's really annoying to deal with these miner bumpers. I don't have 10 or 30 mil ISK to drop to be rid of the harassment. Even if I had the money why would i hand it over to some kid who wants to play Hit.ler on the internet.

Yes, because bumping your pixels in an internet spaceships game with their pixels is equal to starting wars and the attempted extermination of several groups of people.



******* child.

EVE Online, cold and harsh. And cartoon physics.

Fixed that for ya.

This is RP Red v. Blue, isn't it. * shivers *

"Miners continuing to pay the ransom is what keep the New Order alive. If it wasnGÇÖt profitable, they wouldnGÇÖt continue."

It's top quality player driven content.

Their members regularly spam local chat with profanity and vulgar insults, threaten to harass capsuleers to such a degree that they will either give in and join their cause or they promise to make game play impossible and then the capsuleer subsequently quits playing Eve Online. While the attacks seem at first to be non discriminatory, closer inspection reveals that the New Order regularly targets new, vulnerable players as a top priority.

Yeah...right. And you prolly think those burgers you bag up a Mickey D's are top quality food.

Yeah...right. And you prolly think those burgers you bag up a Mickey D's are top quality food.

Wait lemme go get my bucket, miner tears are selling for 1000 isk per unit in jita

"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.

Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.

And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.

Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

This tactic is most notably executed at POS bubbles, where capital ships or other slow-moving vessels in particular may be bumped away from the safety of a shield bubble so that they can be tackled and destroyed.

3 pages already and nobody has realized that this Tolero Guard is the same Torarjan Collective that was featured in James' most recent blog post?

not your personal army, Mr. Salvator.

"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.

Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.

And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.

Nope, I can't see the bumpers and gankers disappearing any time soon, Why? because from what I can see they're having a huge amount of fun running a mini Hulkageddon. I have a vested interest in them continuing for a long time to come, thanks to them producing a huge demand for ships, modules and rigs I'm making Isk hand over fist, from both sides of the equation.

Without destruction, there is no profit.

How harsh and cold.

Just like EVE Online.

...and the best miners are good at either fighting back, or docking and waiting it out, whilst thanking the Amarrian gods for offline leveling.

I think Jonah is confused about what the New Order does. Bumping doesn't destroy anything so it is not the equivalent or in the realm of Hulkageddon.

As for James and his crew, plenty of sabre rattling but they aren't there to fight anyone. The key to extort someone is that they have to be there to extort. Blowing people up would seem a bit counterproductive.

My guess is this is some publicity/scam. By all means join up and give the OP isk if you feel like it.

I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts.

I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old.

Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement.

Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner.

I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts.

I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old.

Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement.

Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner.

Month old alt != disposable alt, the more likely scenario is that they have an alt that is specifically for ganking, it's not particularly hard to indefinitley run around hisec with a -10 bright red alt, and it doesn't burn your main. Many players have dedicated alts for just such a purpose, me included.

E: Alavaria beat me to the punch.

I find it a bit funny how the most prominent, vocal anti-casual, anti-miners are always from across the pond.

But for people who thrive on drama and tears (there are pilots on both sides) have to know that ganker and PvP'er tears don't come in as obvious a form as PvE and 'carebear' tears. You have to look a bit deeper. Like Mallak's forum sig. He's clearly crying that casuals are taking up his highsec.

Month old alt != disposable alt, the more likely scenario is that they have an alt that is specifically for ganking, it's not particularly hard to indefinitley run around hisec with a -10 bright red alt, and it doesn't burn your main. Many players have dedicated alts for just such a purpose, me included.

E: Alavaria beat me to the punch.

Ahahahaha. You miner folk are hilarious! Please add me to your sad little list as I am a huge supporter of James 315 and proud shareholder in the New Order. Make sure you get my alt Garrison Woods too. He's murdered a mountain of defenceless miners, and will surely murder many more.

Thank James for this great emergent game content. Never in my highest hopes did I expect to see such a huge return on my investment.

PRAISE JAMES!! ALL HAIL THE NEW ORDER OF HI-SEC.

Is there a way to prove either?

Wow, that was origin---

Wait... no, it wasn't. Pretty lame, actually. I know, throw in another line about hull tanking and your embarassment should be complete.

I heard that before the boogie man goes to bed he looks under his bed for James 315.

I heard James 315 bumped the monument outside Jita 4-4 CNP that it broke.

Your alliance says you are only able to think frigate. Never not think for yourself.

you sound upset your tears will fetch a hansom price in jita given they are of a high grade of miner tears.

High grade, really...?

sorry allow me to translate for you 'high yeild'

Your alliance says you are only able to think frigate. Never not think for yourself.

How many resistance movements have there been now? I've lost count. Why do resistance fighters always make a new group instead of joining another :S

I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.

And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.

Your alliance says you are only able to think frigate. Never not think for yourself.

And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.

Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.

Either way, it's still hiding.

This thread is really going places.

Someone shoot me a message when the **** swinging turns into some actual action, OK?

Haha 'action'? Rebellions against the New Order do not consist of 'action'. They sometimes make forum posts, a couple actually have websites. Nothing actually happens though.

Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.

Either way, it's still hiding.

And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.

Aaand...

Your point is?

Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language.

Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language.

Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language.

Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.

Either way, it's still hiding.

And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.

I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear?

I understand just fine. Your best defense is to hit the orbit button and that's too much. You could pay them for a permit or pay gankers to run them off either way when they show up you're gonna pay someone...or hit orbit.

A goonie that lives in high?!?!?!?! Say it ain't so!!!

It was used during the American Revolution against the British, the Boer War against the British, the Vietnam War against the Americans, and in recent history by the IRA in Ireland and mainland Britain, against the USSR in Afghanistan and is still being used there against Coalition forces (Irony right there, the people fighting the Coalition forces were mainly trained and armed by the US to fight the USSR). It is also known as Guerrilla warfare or Petty Warfare.

AKA asymmetrical warfare. As a concept, it's older than Sun Tzu

GÇ£When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.GÇ¥

Or, in a longer form:
GÇ£If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.GÇ¥

And, of course:
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥

~ Sun Tzu


Seems that James 315 has been doing his homework.

We can't defeat CONCORD.

Nope.
But James 315 has successfully outflanked them.

Excellence!

Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining !

Not very effective at all!

James wins!

Heh! I LOL'd.

Not very effective at all!

James wins!

Heh! I LOL'd.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it wasn't very effective yet. I mean, it's not over 'til the fat lady sings, and we're still waiting for CCP Falcon's verdict on the whole miner bumping thing.

From where I sit, it's just another step in the arms race. James 315 is on top for now - and probably will be for some time. Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them, and James 315 will be forced to come out with a new tactic.

See-saw, and right now, James 315 is up. When that changes, I don't expect him to be down for long at all - He seems the sort to act rather than whinge.

Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them

Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills

[Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them, and James 315 will be forced to come out with a new tactic.

You are kidding, right?

And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.

If you read my bloody reply properly... It was aimed at the OP.

An update on the "success" of Torarjan Collective and Toledo Guard's inspiring uprising against the New Order is now available at http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/torarjan-collectives-resistance.html .

For those who expected the doughy rebels to have no chance at carrying out their plans, well, just go to the website and you will see, that you were pretty much correct.

An update on the "success" of Torarjan Collective and Toledo Guard's inspiring uprising against the New Order is now available at http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/torarjan-collectives-resistance.html .

For those who expected the doughy rebels to have no chance at carrying out their plans, well, just go to the website and you will see, that you were pretty much correct.

BBB

Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.

Regardless expected to see either:

1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again.
2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.

Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month.

That's strange, I see James in local all the time, within the last 36 hours at that, your hopes of him having been banned are futile.

Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.

Regardless expected to see either:

1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again.
2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.

Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month.

That's strange, I see James in local all the time, within the last 36 hours at that, your hopes of him having been banned are futile.

You are kidding, right?

No, not really. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. I'll admit that a balancing change is more likely, but it's not entirely impossible that miners may learn how to conduct their affairs in a more competent fashion.

It's not impossible that one miner will learn to evade us. It's almost completely impossible that a significant proportion will do so.

I liked the part where this "resistance" did absolutely nothing at all except make its creators a laughingstock

Sooner or later, the miners will learn new skills, or some balancing change will help them, and James 315 will be forced to come out with a new tactic.

I applaud your efforts, if only to ensure that poseurs do not gain a foothold in the game. James and his ilk are just that, poseurs, too gripped by fear to pull the trigger for what they believe in. While I do not hold his sycophants in contemptuous position, he himself is a false leader who puffs out his chest and meekly roars to the galaxy of his prowess and how he believes he is doing a service to the community.

James, a moment...

This isn't WoW, mmmkay? Either turn off your safeties and engage those you feel dilute the game with hot rounds and burning lasers, or be quiet. Bumping is a tactic of the weak and the indecisive. This is Eve, either gank or go home.

I respect and even applaud those who have the courage and intestinal fortitude to accept the consequences of actions that they believe in, but I can never give one ounce of recognition to those who are choked by their own fear.

OP, I have publicly endorsed your movement and subscribed to your mailing list. I eagerly await news of your victories.



Do not disappoint me.

That's simple enough. Personal wardecs, placeable on individuals instead of whole (one man) corporations, and much cheaper per week to maintain.

That's simple enough. Personal wardecs, placeable on individuals instead of whole (one man) corporations, and much cheaper per week to maintain.

CCP, you're their only hope !

In before the miners find themselves all wardecced and need the system changed again.

All this fuss over highsec mining? Come on people.........

All this fuss over highsec mining? Come on people.........

Highsec minning is the primary source of fuss on this forum.

Utterly stupid idea now that we have a bounty system. Make the bounty high enough and said individual will be target for anyone willing to pull the trigger. Don't have the ISK for the bounty - too bad want to borrow a Retriever?

Utterly stupid idea now that we have a bounty system. Make the bounty high enough and said individual will be target for anyone willing to pull the trigger. Don't have the ISK for the bounty - too bad want to borrow a Retriever?

Utterly stupid idea now that we have a bounty system. Make the bounty high enough and said individual will be target for anyone willing to pull the trigger. Don't have the ISK for the bounty - too bad want to borrow a Retriever?

I'm hoping against hope that James is just partaking in some humorous roleplay, and is just looking for some attention from his MinerBumping blog.

Because it would make me lose even more faith in people that make careers out of griefing if his attitude in-game and in his blog is a reflection of his real-life personality.

Personally I think it's like some massive troll and all the bumpers are following along because it's funny to them.

I know I do.

All this fuss over highsec mining? Come on people.........

Highsec afk-mining is the most glorious profession of them all. They are the vital backbone of this game, generating content and meaning for thousands. Stories of their epic deeds spawn articles in the media almost weekly and get new players to join.

The only thing that the heroic miners would ask is to make mining a bit easier, as the current implementation is highly taxing and requires deep knowledge of the game. Mining also has some risks, such as getting bumped out of mining range, which is unacceptable.

Actually I think that the miners of EvE would like a yellow paint sprayer that they can use to mark peoples pods.

Then they can mark the cowards of EvE with a big yellow strip down their backs.

Stuff

I mean yeah, if it's for reactions and roleplaying, I completely understand why he does it. I can't respect it, but I understand and acknowledge it.

But if he is honest-to-God offended at highsec miners...then he needs a life check.

Solution.
Right click your rocks your mining select keep at range :).

Solution 2.
Complaining wont make it go away.

Solution 3.
Noone ever said space was going to be nice.

Solution 4.
Gank him. Then have a friend gank his pod. Repeat until he goes away.

Solution 5. All of the above.