Originally by: CCP Hammer

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This game was so much better back before people knew math.

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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We were just playing with TomB and whacking his nifty dreadnoughts, so I took some screenshots.

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Originally by: Arud

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love the bs5 requirement but... advanced spaceship command 5? .. anyone know what rank it is and what stats are required?

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Originally by: Jim Steele

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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We were just playing with TomB and whacking his nifty dreadnoughts, so I took some screenshots.

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Arrgh, you lucky Bast...

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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We still have some fun ahead of us when SiSi comes back up, TomB will show the Gallente and Caldari ones, so feel free to join in :)

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Originally by: Sillente NiKunni

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Type: Strontium Clathrates (Cargo)
Quantity: 1400

did he try to fuel his POS? or did strontium are needed :p

/me look at the price of Strontium Clathrates

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Originally by: Akaviri

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I noticed some interesting modules in that TomB killmail.

Type: Dual Giga Pulse Laser I (Fitted - High slot)

Type: Siege Module I (Fitted - High slot)

Type: Stasis Webifier II (Fitted - Medium slot)

Type: Capital Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)

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Originally by: Faux

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WOW!! talk about the tough requires.. i can understand the advanced spaceship command V.. but battleship V too?

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Originally by: Zaintiraris

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Does that minnie dread look a little like a certain other games mothership to anyone else? Just curious.

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Originally by: Balazs Simon

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chill guys chill, when was the last time when new ship had right attributes, bonuses, fitting ect the same on SIS and on TQ.. I do not remember such thing...

Skill req. will be different... you can be sure...

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Originally by: Leo Rises

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I can understand the high requirements, and on one hand, gives us some time to get ready for dealing with them.

Up side is we wont see them attacking us immediately, downside: I may never fly one... :<

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Originally by: Katsumoto

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What are the ships bonuses?

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Originally by: Jim Steele

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They have an extra high slot, so im guessing thats for the jumpdrive. Tomb just didnt have one fitted.
As for other things, did anyone notice the matari ship has 5 highslots, the Amarr only has 4.

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Originally by: Faux

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WOW!! talk about the tough requires.. i can understand the advanced spaceship command V.. but battleship V too?

ouch..

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: Jim Steele

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They have an extra high slot, so im guessing thats for the jumpdrive. Tomb just didnt have one fitted.
As for other things, did anyone notice the matari ship has 5 highslots, the Amarr only has 4.

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The amarr ship has 3 turret moutns though teh matari only 2. XL turrets is prolly what was laying down the smackdown to those battleships. Doubt the missiles were the crowd pleasers :)

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: Jim Steele

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They have an extra high slot, so im guessing thats for the jumpdrive. Tomb just didnt have one fitted.
As for other things, did anyone notice the matari ship has 5 highslots, the Amarr only has 4.

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The amarr ship has 3 turret moutns though teh matari only 2. XL turrets is prolly what was laying down the smackdown to those battleships. Doubt the missiles were the crowd pleasers :)

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True, at least from my point of view. I was in a Raven with a T2 AB, orbiting the Naglfar (Minnie Dread) at 7.5km and the citadel torpedos hit me for next to nothing (I took 3 hits -- 0 hp, 12 hp, 13 hp).

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Originally by: fairimear

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o god they are fugly.

the gal one better be sleak and sexy.

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Originally by: Capt Rob

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man, they screwed the minitar dread, that is so ugly/

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Originally by: Lord Gank

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Originally by: Antic

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Dreads will be close to useless to begin with though. A toy. Cus there will be so few, if one arrives in a fleet battle its pretty much garanteed it will be focus fire target imideatly and nothing survives that. Expensive toy :)

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In the time it takes u to kill it ur fleet would compromise of pods

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Originally by: Remedial

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Oh god somebody post the Gallente ones ASAP please :(

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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Originally by: Lord Gank

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Originally by: Antic

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Dreads will be close to useless to begin with though. A toy. Cus there will be so few, if one arrives in a fleet battle its pretty much garanteed it will be focus fire target imideatly and nothing survives that. Expensive toy :)

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In the time it takes u to kill it ur fleet would compromise of pods

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Well, from what I just saw, dreads really aren't that uber. They look useless at close range and, while extremely powerful at medium to long range, the rate of fire of their guns doesn't look too great. We had 12-15 battleships against TomB's dreadnought and it died within 2-3 minutes. I had time to fire exactly 18 torpedos from each of my 6 launchers, and reload, at which point the Minmatar dreadnought blew up. Most of the players were in Megathrons, and there was also a Geddon and my Raven. And an Ishtar. And some frigates. Maybe the fight was not under ideal conditions for TomB, though, I don't know :)

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Originally by: Antic

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Well i wonder if jumpdrive modules will require you to align. If its just a timed jump then you dont have to loose that many Cap ships if you just get your timing right :)

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Originally by: MooKids

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Damn you people, none of you did a show info on that Advanced Spaceship Command skill, to see what rank it is!

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Originally by: Antic

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Dreads will be close to useless to begin with though. A toy. Cus there will be so few, if one arrives in a fleet battle its pretty much garanteed it will be focus fire target imideatly and nothing survives that. Expensive toy :)

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Originally by: iqplayer

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Ok, I for one totally disagree with those saying that high skill requirements are good "to keep them rare". Skills are a one time deal, train them and you're done. A decent number of players already have BS 5 trained (and I suspect many that like the high requirements are such players). Those that don't, have just a month, perhaps 2 including Advanced Spaceship Command (btw, where are the ships that require ASC levels 1-4???).

Before you start flaming, I do agree they should be kept rare. But the way to do that is to make them very expensive, and to also make the death penalty while using one very high. These are Capital Ships, they should take a corp effort to procure, and I don't mean a 2 person corp. Otherwise, 2-3 months down the road, people will have the skills trained, and there will be plenty of Dread's plying the spacelanes.......

P.S. In case you think my opinion is biased, I really don't want to be the first, one of the first, etc, to use one; I'd rather let others learn the ropes. On the other hand, I would like to be one of the first ones selling these fine ships.........

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Originally by: sableye

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yumy um that galelnet one looks pretyy sweet even with the messed up graphics, any screen shots of the stats of the gallente one?

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Originally by: Arud

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I agree but the inflation in eve makes it so that using money as a deterant will only work for so long.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Hmm, i'm guessing these guns are not suppose to be relative to small/medium/large gun stats...

Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, it should be Dual Mega Pulse but these are even more uber it seems

I guess 3 turrets will be enough

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Originally by: iqplayer

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Originally by: Arud

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I agree but the inflation in eve makes it so that using money as a deterant will only work for so long.

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True, though as mineral price also rise with inflation, this would likely last longer than a skill based deterrant. As a side point, the skill deterrant would also just delay the time until people could first use them, not how widely the could be used. Haven't we waited long enough for this patch, and the ability to remove POS's? Though I suppose long skill trains like this do benefit CCP, as people will use 2nd accounts to make up for having to train one line of skill for 2-3 months......

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Originally by: Arud

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Originally by: iqplayer

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Originally by: Arud

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I agree but the inflation in eve makes it so that using money as a deterant will only work for so long.

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True, though as mineral price also rise with inflation, this would likely last longer than a skill based deterrant. As a side point, the skill deterrant would also just delay the time until people could first use them, not how widely the could be used. Haven't we waited long enough for this patch, and the ability to remove POS's? Though I suppose long skill trains like this do benefit CCP, as people will use 2nd accounts to make up for having to train one line of skill for 2-3 months......

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think that it would work best if dreads were the same as with pos's, no insurance, so people only use them if they can afford to loose them

(except that people cant realy loose pos's since they are too uber right now)


so about 400-500m for the dread would be good enough I think

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Originally by: Mansku

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Mom i'm in the internet \o/



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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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Somebody post me some pics of THE Dreadnought, the Phoenix !! (Caldari one)

and dont tell me TomB has none ...

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Meridius

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Hmm, i'm guessing these guns are not suppose to be relative to small/medium/large gun stats...

Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, it should be Dual Mega Pulse but these are even more uber it seems

I guess 3 turrets will be enough

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at least you have 3

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Meridius

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Hmm, i'm guessing these guns are not suppose to be relative to small/medium/large gun stats...

Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, it should be Dual Mega Pulse but these are even more uber it seems

I guess 3 turrets will be enough

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at least you have 3

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I'm guessing the minmatar one has a 2/2 turret/launcher combo

Citadel torpedos ftw

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Originally by: Nafri

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he has, but if I wanted to use that damm torps I would fly caldari

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Originally by: Citizen Angstrom

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I hope the skill requirements are placeholder stats.

No, I don't have BS 5, Spaceship Command 5, every-damn-skill 5.

I have been diligently saving up my Isk for one of these monsters, and I doubt I'll be the only ****ed off pod pilot who realises it's going to be months before he can get inside a Dread!

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Originally by: Citizen Angstrom

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I hope the skill requirements are placeholder stats.

No, I don't have BS 5, Spaceship Command 5, every-damn-skill 5.

I have been diligently saving up my Isk for one of these monsters, and I doubt I'll be the only ****ed off pod pilot who realises it's going to be months before he can get inside a Dread!

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Originally by: Sillente NiKunni

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Type: Strontium Clathrates (Cargo)
Quantity: 1400

did he try to fuel his POS? or did strontium are needed :p

/me look at the price of Strontium Clathrates

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Originally by: Citizen Angstrom

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I hope the skill requirements are placeholder stats.

No, I don't have BS 5, Spaceship Command 5, every-damn-skill 5.

I have been diligently saving up my Isk for one of these monsters, and I doubt I'll be the only ****ed off pod pilot who realises it's going to be months before he can get inside a Dread!

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Originally by: Meridius

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Edited by: Meridius on 24/06/2005 16:30:23

Originally by: Nafri

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he has, but if I wanted to use that damm torps I would fly caldari

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Train Amarr or Gallente

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Originally by: Meridius

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Hmm

Looks like these Dreads can be hauled by freighters

1,000,000m3

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Originally by: Deckma

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Originally by: Aoun

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Gonna have to ask the question everyones really wanting to ask..
Are they any good at mining!?
XL Miner II's!?

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Originally by: Aoun

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Gonna have to ask the question everyones really wanting to ask..
Are they any good at mining!?
XL Miner II's!?

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Originally by: Citizen Angstrom

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I hope the skill requirements are placeholder stats.

No, I don't have BS 5, Spaceship Command 5, every-damn-skill 5.

I have been diligently saving up my Isk for one of these monsters, and I doubt I'll be the only ****ed off pod pilot who realises it's going to be months before he can get inside a Dread!

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Why would they be placeholder stats? Every pvper who is even considering getting into a capital ship should have those already. If you don't you're either too newb for a dread, or not a pvper.

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Originally by: Aitrus

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Originally by: Aoun

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Gonna have to ask the question everyones really wanting to ask..
Are they any good at mining!?
XL Miner II's!?

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One sec...

*picks up baseball bat*
*walks into Aoun's room*
*closes door*

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Originally by: Zhartok

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Originally by: Aitrus

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Originally by: Aoun

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Gonna have to ask the question everyones really wanting to ask..
Are they any good at mining!?
XL Miner II's!?

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One sec...

*picks up baseball bat*
*walks into Aoun's room*
*closes door*

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hahahaha, good one Aitrus.

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Originally by: Capt Rob

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Well im not sayin the minitar one is any good but i think they failed on the gallente dread, looks like some sort of large bubble mass

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Quote:

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Type: Siege Module I (Fitted - High slot)

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Also, I trust you all spotted this little gem in the killmail.

Quote:

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Type: Siege Module I (Fitted - High slot)

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Thus we now know why they have an extra high slot, and how going into siege mode will be accomplished. Any guesses on what skills will be required to use a Siege Module?

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Originally by: Lucian Alucard

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i think it blows monkey chunks that POS are just so damn hard to take down and the ships to take them down require so many ******* sp its stupid.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Lucian Alucard

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i think it blows monkey chunks that POS are just so damn hard to take down and the ships to take them down require so many ******* sp its stupid.

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I believe POS were made uber so that people can set them up, learn about them and make some isk. I'm pretty sure they are going to nerf POS defenses when they bring Dreadnoughts as they would probably still own a Dread the way they are now.

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Originally by: Drommy

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<bs lvl 4 50 days for lvl 5ing bs is not my idea of fun btw

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Originally by: Mephisteus

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To keep them rare, quite simple :)

Only have them as an agent special deal (this would be the best solution in my opinion).

Or have them limited on a corp basis. 1 per 60 members or something. Though favouring my first solution.

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Originally by: mimik

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not wanting to depress all of the ppl whining about BS 5 being a pre req but if u look at screenies of the required skills it lists advanced spaceship command 5 as well. from what i can see thats a rank 10 skill and will therefore take 20% longer than BS5.

have a nice day

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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True, at least from my point of view. I was in a Raven with a T2 AB, orbiting the Naglfar (Minnie Dread) at 7.5km and the citadel torpedos hit me for next to nothing (I took 3 hits -- 0 hp, 12 hp, 13 hp).

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Originally by: Sewell

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*cries*

So L proj will not be enough for the minny Dread, I will have to train cruise/torp to lvl 5 also... But I bet it will only hav bonuses to the proj guns, as usuall...

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Originally by: Vex Seraphim

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Interesting how people call the minnie dread - a scrapheap, it's not.
Naglfar means 'ship made from nails of the dead', and now that's interesting ;)

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Originally by: Aldanor

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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True, at least from my point of view. I was in a Raven with a T2 AB, orbiting the Naglfar (Minnie Dread) at 7.5km and the citadel torpedos hit me for next to nothing (I took 3 hits -- 0 hp, 12 hp, 13 hp).

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Doubt the turrets will hit any bs under 100km that have over 50m/s transverse either....

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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Originally by: Aldanor

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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True, at least from my point of view. I was in a Raven with a T2 AB, orbiting the Naglfar (Minnie Dread) at 7.5km and the citadel torpedos hit me for next to nothing (I took 3 hits -- 0 hp, 12 hp, 13 hp).

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Doubt the turrets will hit any bs under 100km that have over 50m/s transverse either....

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Previously unreleased screenshot of mine:
http://www.perso.ch/apocalypse/eve/gallente_dread_miss.jpg
:)
At that time I believe I was 40-50km from TomB in my Raven with T2 AB, heading slightly left of him because obviously I knew I shouldn't fly in a straight line toward him.

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Originally by: Scaramouche

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Gung, they would be allowed to have one...when they bring their sec rating back up.
Once they hit the limit, they lose the ship (pod auto ejected or something akin) now, that would keep them on their toes :)

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Originally by: Zaintiraris

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Does that minnie dread look a little like a certain other games mothership to anyone else? Just curious.

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Originally by: digitalwanderer

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i say the skills reqs are perfect the way they are since these ships are menat to be rare,as the skill reqs shown are only for flying the actual ship,not fight with it,as mounting large guns on it severly gimps it in damage over a regular BS since it only has 4 high slots...


So add the training for jump drives,XL guns and missile lauchers,and XL armour reps/shield boosters,XL MWD's and AB's and potentially XL NOS/newts,and if all of these seperate skills are rank 8 and over,we're looking at a hell of long time to get a dreadnaught in combat ready form,potentially many months of training,as it should be....

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Originally by: Ralphie

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Edited by: Ralphie on 25/06/2005 19:22:26
BS5 ... Lame. Another bone to the ancient players. The cost should be the limiting factor, not a years worth of skills. Im not a raven pilot and I dont have a raven pilots money, but I'd rather work for a ship and earn the right to fly it (by buying it) rather than have it be a toy handed out for 2 year players. Its bad enough Titans will be toys for 2 year players who happen to own megacorps.

And as for those "I think the still reqs are great! They are supposed to be rare!" Uhhh yeah. I'll bet you there will be 500 of them flying around on DAY ONE. They arent going to be *rare*, I would bet that 80 percent of active 1-2 year players will have one right away. The term for that isnt *rare* the term for that is *exclusive*.

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Originally by: Kain Raksha

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well, i sure hope that dread was in siege mode bacause (and i cant remember wer the post was) it was hitting a raven with AB for 12 dmg, with CITADEL TORPS!

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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Originally by: Aldanor

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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni

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True, at least from my point of view. I was in a Raven with a T2 AB, orbiting the Naglfar (Minnie Dread) at 7.5km and the citadel torpedos hit me for next to nothing (I took 3 hits -- 0 hp, 12 hp, 13 hp).

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Doubt the turrets will hit any bs under 100km that have over 50m/s transverse either....

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Previously unreleased screenshot of mine:
http://www.perso.ch/apocalypse/eve/gallente_dread_miss.jpg
:)
At that time I believe I was 40-50km from TomB in my Raven with T2 AB, heading slightly left of him because obviously I knew I shouldn't fly in a straight line toward him.

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: Kain Raksha

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well, i sure hope that dread was in siege mode bacause (and i cant remember wer the post was) it was hitting a raven with AB for 12 dmg, with CITADEL TORPS!

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with the new nerf code to missiles that isnt unthinkable even without siege mode. Remember that normal torps gets damage cut by ABs against battleships and a couple of the battleships gets a damage cut even without AB. Torps do like 12 damage against friggs. Now citadel torps is much larger versions of the torps. i dont remember their blast radius by hand, but its possible its bad nuff that they really do only do good damage against PoS and Cap ships. This is purely speculative as none of us have one yet, but if so, then the caldari titan will be the weakest of them all in anti BS if it has mostly torpedo slots.

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Originally by: Vex Seraphim

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Interesting how people call the minnie dread - a scrapheap, it's not.
Naglfar means 'ship made from nails of the dead', and now that's interesting ;)

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Originally by: slip66

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Originally by: Vex Seraphim

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Interesting how people call the minnie dread - a scrapheap, it's not.
Naglfar means 'ship made from nails of the dead', and now that's interesting ;)

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it's still ugly. They all are, I wish they would swap skins with the frieghters.

Did anyone who picked up one of TomBs Giga beams look at the skill req.?? Wondering if they need trajectory analysis 5. I suspect they will...

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Hah. You are missing the damn point my friend.

Why would your average joe blow 2 year old player WANT a dreadnaught? He won't kill a thing without proper support, alone, those things will get killed by just about anything.

You people who seem to think these are just uber battleships need to get a clue. The battleship will remain your run of the mill combat vessel, these might act as flagships for fleets, and taking down POS.

Oh, and let's not forget, they will likely have to be assembled at POS, their jumpdrives and possibly siege modules will require fuel, and they are sloooow.

In short, it's not "Another bone to the ancient players". It's a ship, that with tons of support, good logistics, and a fleet to back it up, will be very handy.
Think of a medival trebuchet - Alone, it and it's crew were vulnurable, and most likely dead. Backed up by a army, they were devastating.

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Originally by: nahtoh

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: Kain Raksha

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well, i sure hope that dread was in siege mode bacause (and i cant remember wer the post was) it was hitting a raven with AB for 12 dmg, with CITADEL TORPS!

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with the new nerf code to missiles that isnt unthinkable even without siege mode. Remember that normal torps gets damage cut by ABs against battleships and a couple of the battleships gets a damage cut even without AB. Torps do like 12 damage against friggs. Now citadel torps is much larger versions of the torps. i dont remember their blast radius by hand, but its possible its bad nuff that they really do only do good damage against PoS and Cap ships. This is purely speculative as none of us have one yet, but if so, then the caldari titan will be the weakest of them all in anti BS if it has mostly torpedo slots.

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So you actually think its balanced other dreads doing 6 to 8k damage and the cal one possably doing so much less?

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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ANY ship out there with a special purpose can be gotten by any player who dedicates himself to getting one within a relatively short time. Someone wants to be able to play a certain role- they can. Not true of dreadnaughts! And that is crap!

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Originally by: monkiboi

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I guess I'm the only one that thinks the Minmater dread is actually quite imposing. It looks like a station as opposed to the others which look like very large battleships.

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: nahtoh

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: Kain Raksha

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well, i sure hope that dread was in siege mode bacause (and i cant remember wer the post was) it was hitting a raven with AB for 12 dmg, with CITADEL TORPS!

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with the new nerf code to missiles that isnt unthinkable even without siege mode. Remember that normal torps gets damage cut by ABs against battleships and a couple of the battleships gets a damage cut even without AB. Torps do like 12 damage against friggs. Now citadel torps is much larger versions of the torps. i dont remember their blast radius by hand, but its possible its bad nuff that they really do only do good damage against PoS and Cap ships. This is purely speculative as none of us have one yet, but if so, then the caldari titan will be the weakest of them all in anti BS if it has mostly torpedo slots.

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So you actually think its balanced other dreads doing 6 to 8k damage and the cal one possably doing so much less?

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of course not. Where have i said i do? But i sure dont see people complaining about this in the missile changes tread, cus once the changes are in we will prolly have to wait untill kali untill they balance missiles again. (wich will be needed).

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Originally by: Pesht

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Exactly, every other ship you can use, so now there is 1 ship that you can't and you're crying foul? You can get a dreadnaught too, nothing stopping you from training for it. It will just take awhile, I'm sorry if everything you want won't be dropped at your feet without any effort. As you said yourself, every other ship you can get without much effort, so if you don't want to spend the extra effort for a dreadnaught, go fly one of those other ships.

Stop trying to get everything for nothing. Don't like the skill time? You have lots of other options. God forbid there is one T1 ship in the game that requires a lot of effort to fly.

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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Originally by: Pesht

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Exactly, every other ship you can use, so now there is 1 ship that you can't and you're crying foul? You can get a dreadnaught too, nothing stopping you from training for it. It will just take awhile, I'm sorry if everything you want won't be dropped at your feet without any effort. As you said yourself, every other ship you can get without much effort, so if you don't want to spend the extra effort for a dreadnaught, go fly one of those other ships.

Stop trying to get everything for nothing. Don't like the skill time? You have lots of other options. God forbid there is one T1 ship in the game that requires a lot of effort to fly.

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No, if it actually required a lot of effort to fly, I would be happy with it. It requires zero effort to fly- just a crapload of time. It creates an elitist position (so to speak) in the game. A role that can only be filled by the players that have been here for extreme amounts of time.

"Stop trying to get everything for nothing"? If you didnt notice, I was backing the player that said a very high price should be the real limiting factor on the ships here, rather than huge skill time. That would actually make effort an issue. Apparently, you missed that part.

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Originally by: Antic

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of course not. Where have i said i do? But i sure dont see people complaining about this in the missile changes tread, cus once the changes are in we will prolly have to wait untill kali untill they balance missiles again. (wich will be needed).

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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With the upcoming missile changes, and people's comments as to what those citadel torps were doing to battleships, am I the only one that thinks the caldari one is gonna suck?

Yes I'm sure it will still make a very nice pos killer, but thats too limited a use for it. So far all the t1 ships have been designed to combat the ship class below them (bs>cruiser, cruiser>frig etc.). In keeping with this, it makes sense that dreadnoughts should be excellent bs killers. I would expect the caldari dreadnought's armament to consist of something like 3 XL launchers. However this means they're more or less incapable of damaging anything smaller than a station.

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Originally by: Bad'Boy

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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With the upcoming missile changes, and people's comments as to what those citadel torps were doing to battleships, am I the only one that thinks the caldari one is gonna suck?

Yes I'm sure it will still make a very nice pos killer, but thats too limited a use for it. So far all the t1 ships have been designed to combat the ship class below them (bs>cruiser, cruiser>frig etc.). In keeping with this, it makes sense that dreadnoughts should be excellent bs killers. I would expect the caldari dreadnought's armament to consist of something like 3 XL launchers. However this means they're more or less incapable of damaging anything smaller than a station.

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who said that Ýts gonna be missile boat?

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Originally by: Bad'Boy

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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With the upcoming missile changes, and people's comments as to what those citadel torps were doing to battleships, am I the only one that thinks the caldari one is gonna suck?

Yes I'm sure it will still make a very nice pos killer, but thats too limited a use for it. So far all the t1 ships have been designed to combat the ship class below them (bs>cruiser, cruiser>frig etc.). In keeping with this, it makes sense that dreadnoughts should be excellent bs killers. I would expect the caldari dreadnought's armament to consist of something like 3 XL launchers. However this means they're more or less incapable of damaging anything smaller than a station.

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who said that Ýts gonna be missile boat?

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Originally by: Antic

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Originally by: Bad'Boy

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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With the upcoming missile changes, and people's comments as to what those citadel torps were doing to battleships, am I the only one that thinks the caldari one is gonna suck?

Yes I'm sure it will still make a very nice pos killer, but thats too limited a use for it. So far all the t1 ships have been designed to combat the ship class below them (bs>cruiser, cruiser>frig etc.). In keeping with this, it makes sense that dreadnoughts should be excellent bs killers. I would expect the caldari dreadnought's armament to consist of something like 3 XL launchers. However this means they're more or less incapable of damaging anything smaller than a station.

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who said that Ýts gonna be missile boat?

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Looking at all other caldari ships pretty much makes it a very high probability. Because gallente and caldari uses the same turrets (hybrids). If the caldari dread is a turret ship then whats the differance between the gallente and caldari dread? or the minmatar and caldari if they make it a hybrid of both torps and turrets? If its similar to one of those two then we will have a balance issue again. Because make it better at using turrets than gallente dread and gallente people will whine. Make it better than minmatar at using turret/missile combo then minmatars will whine, make it worse than either of those then caldaris will whine. so most likely it will have a majority missile slots :/

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Originally by: Eraza

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Edited by: Eraza on 27/06/2005 10:07:27
ok, first of all i think bs lvl 5 is too much, and i'm afraid, that all the gategankers will be able to instantly upgrade to dreads(maxed gank skills often including bs lvl 5) while those who will be the targets will have months of training before they can get dreads.. so a dread vs dread fight might be a bit far away..

advanced spaceship command lvl 5? ok, need i comment? a new skill, specially for this ship, and every single one of us needs to go through 5 levels of it for the first ship that needs it?
what will be left for carryers and titans then? super advanced spaceshipcommand 5? mega super... bah..

i agree super capital ships should be kept rare.. but it should be done right, be making them hard to use properly, and not making it the new best solo pvp/pve ship... NOT by making it need a mountain of lvl 5 skills that only favours old players over the new, while doing very little in preventing every carebear and their moms getting them, and mining in high sec space, finally feeling gank-safe...

and citadel torps doing 12 damage to battleships? ok, that, is stupid.. somone went overboard with the nerf here.. if this goes similarly for torps and cruise missiles.. we will see ravens on 90 mil isk in heaps on the markets... missiles were already doing less damage then turrets, they did not need to make even less..

on a more curious note... 30k shield? i wonder if they will make good passive tanks?

EDIT: one more thing.. a ship with a built in jump drive.. that doesnt need any jump drive skills? anyone else seeing a problem here? :)

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Originally by: Eraza

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Edited by: Eraza on 27/06/2005 13:28:24
i'm not going to automatically assume the devs are perfect, and will get everything right in the first try, if i see something that could be a problem, i'm going to point it out, i have spotted serious balance mistakes before they came, kept it to myself, beliving it would get fixed, guess what.. it wasnt :)

second, you are going to need some serious lvl 5 skills to gank a bs that does not want to fight.. a dread might not even need tech 2 stuff..
the last thing eve needs is more no-skill no-effort ganking..

level 4 missions can be easily tanked in battleships solo NOW, yes, but that is getting fixed, soon, they will have problems, and might even not be able to at all
dreadnoughts could counter that right back.. ok, true, there will be fewer lvl 4 solo runners, but it's kind of counter productive to both try to stop lvl 4 soloing, and add a new biggest ship imo

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Originally by: Eraza

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Edited by: Eraza on 27/06/2005 14:15:42
i agree with that, the skills are kind of heavy..
my main problem with them, are that i heard it was supposed to be a tech 1 ship, yet it has tech 2 skill REQ's
not to mention it's lacking a couple of skills i think the ship logically should have.. like jump drive stuff..

i had not heard about the lvl 4 agent nerf being delayed.. that is bad news imo.. still, i suppose powergamers will always find ways to solo them..


on another note.. what about transports? i'm actually looking forward to them as much as dreads.. i often have mountains of crap that needs moving.. doing that in a regular indy is a pain

i'll probably leave the dreads alone myself, untill the initial novelty wears off, and the market, and their use, is nice and balanced :)

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Also, I trust you all spotted this little gem in the killmail.

Quote:

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Type: Siege Module I (Fitted - High slot)

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Thus we now know why they have an extra high slot, and how going into siege mode will be accomplished. Any guesses on what skills will be required to use a Siege Module?

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Originally by: marioman

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I dont want one, dont have the skills, or the cash to fly one, but i must say, the hypocritisizm CCP has done over the past few months is lame.

1st it was the mining barges, industry 5, ok thats an easy skill and all but i remember in a dev chat specifically stating t1 ships wont require high skills....so what does that make barges and frieghters t2 and dreads t5? i know barges are t1, so why did yall say t1 stuff doesnt require high skills? why do u feel the urge to spit out total bullchit sometimes? i swear u frustrate me so much sometimes, i love the game and everything about it but u can make me so ticked off sometimes i want to buy a plane ticket to come up there with my own nerf bat...lol

I dont recall destroyers requiring frigate 5 or battlecruisers requiring cruiser 5, are Dreads and frieghters not considered tech 1? If they are considered tech 1 then why have u said b4 previously that t1 is ment to be easy to access and low skills requirements

All im sayin is it would be nice to have some....whats that word....oh yeah, CONSISTANCY in information you give out. It like in the cartoons when a guy asks some1 else where so and so went and says "He went thataway <--->"

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Originally by: Shadowbreed2

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Caldari dreadnought?:

Piccy

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Originally by: Steiner

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I Like the skill req on the dreadnought very much, if anything it should be higher, after all this is a Capital Ship not something that everyone is flying on daily basis.

I ask for higher skill req, make it a Flag Ship.

-Steiner

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Originally by: EL TITAN

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lvl 5 BS is too high :(
just bring that to lvl 4 plsss

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