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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.02.22 07:19:00 -
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Damien White wrote:At least it has an auto targeting system.
... What? It fit in the slot, and I like it for the number of locks added. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |

FallenTitan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
96
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Posted - 2014.02.23 10:40:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Damien White wrote:At least it has an auto targeting system.
... What? It fit in the slot, and I like it for the number of locks added.
It's ok. You're trying to make the best situation out of a horrible ship. We don't blame you. It just a shame since it's an amazing looking ship... yet I would rather select most tech 1 cruisers going into a PvP brawl. |

James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
22
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:00:00 -
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FallenTitan wrote:James Baboli wrote:Damien White wrote:At least it has an auto targeting system.
... What? It fit in the slot, and I like it for the number of locks added. It's ok. You're trying to make the best situation out of a horrible ship. We don't blame you. It just a shame since it's an amazing looking ship... yet I would rather select most tech 1 cruisers going into a PvP brawl. Its not worth the price for PVP, but makes one hell of a PVE ship. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:22:00 -
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Not after the recent changes to Battlecruisers.
Your fitting is nice for PvE allthough I would personaly prefer at least an Afterburner, better a MWD, on cruiser sized ships I can see it doing its job.
The problem is, a Harbinger can do the exact same job but better.
Quote:[Harbinger, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Fourier Transform Tracking Program Fourier Transform Tracking Program Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
That itself is the main problem of the Phantasm it has nothing it excells in compared to similar ships. Just saying, a Zealot may not have the extra high slott for the cap transfer but you can throw out a turret, end up with the exact same damage by having more range and still be able to use the cap transfer.
This fit is crap and still could keep up with a phantasm damage- and utilitywise.
Quote:[Zealot, crapfit] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
EDIT: Just to be sure, fly the ship how you like but this ship needs more than "some love", as CCP Ytterbium put it. The tracking bonus is nothing to write home about since tracking is already no problem for cruiser sized amarr ships, especialy when you go for shieldtank. He might be the defining bonus on a Nightmare but the Phantasm does not need it and neither does the Succubus. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
216
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:41:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:
[Phantasm, Missioning] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Auto Targeting System II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Vitals: 38k EHP 501 DPS guns 19km optimal with listed scripts 66% stable if chained.
Buffer tanked PvE with chained capacitor? O_o |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:46:00 -
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That is actually not uncommon on sansha ships. I have seen multiple Nightmares doing the same with great success. You either have a drone boat as secondary ship that assignes the drones to you, gives you cap and some shield repairs or maybe you even go full support with a basilisk, making your tank virtualy indestructible for any NPC, giving you the slotts neccessary to go for maximum damage and range.
Some Marauders tried this aswell but I think Bastion mode did put an end to these efforts. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
216
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:57:00 -
[397] - Quote
Well yes, but we are talking about the Phantasm man. It will probably do L3 missions. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:04:00 -
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Hmm, I thougt more of some Plex and 0.0 ratting stuff instead of highsec missionrunning but even then you can go fo a noctis as secondary ship or a drone boat as well.
Anyway, still think its not for L3 Missions in Highsec. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
22
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Posted - 2014.02.23 20:28:00 -
[399] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:James Baboli wrote:
[Phantasm, Missioning] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Auto Targeting System II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Vitals: 38k EHP 501 DPS guns 19km optimal with listed scripts 66% stable if chained.
Buffer tanked PvE with chained capacitor? O_o
Its a DDD fit for a fun focused rather than isk/hr focused VG fleet
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |

Bea Love
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:54:00 -
[400] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4278937#post4278937
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Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
115
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:37:00 -
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Whats the point of having a tracking buff on a frigate? 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
93
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:19:00 -
[402] - Quote
Damien White wrote:Whats the point of having a tracking buff on a frigate?
Orbit something inside scram range while using a 100% Bonused AB and you will probably see. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
115
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:39:00 -
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No, not realy.
When the tracking of small guns would be that bad you would not be able to hit anything while using a MWD or flying an Interceptor. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
93
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:48:00 -
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Damien White wrote:No, not realy.
When the tracking of small guns would be that bad you would not be able to hit anything while using a MWD or flying an Interceptor.
When using DLP's or Gatlings sure but the bonus will be noticeable when fitting Small Focused pulses. Anyone who fits Beams on it will definitely want the bonus too. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
115
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:05:00 -
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Then simply dont.
Allthoug it is kind of off topic but when you cant handle the transversal either slow down or dont use long range weaponry in closerange combat.
I have jet to see how the AB bonus works but this can make the succubus an interesting interceptor like vessel allthough we have already some pretty good interceptors called ... well ... interceptors.
But a tracking bonus might be a powerfull ability for a battleship, on a frigate you hardly face an opponent that makes this even remotely as powerfull as it is on a battleship. Matter of fact, I have jet to find a target I cant hit in a propperly fittet (i.e. no Railguns without tracking mod) frigate even without tracking bonus. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
93
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:10:00 -
[406] - Quote
Damien White wrote:Then simply dont.
Allthoug it is kind of off topic but when you cant handle the transversal either slow down or dont use long range weaponry in closerange combat.
I have jet to see how the AB bonus works but this can make the succubus an interesting interceptor like vessel allthough we have already some pretty good interceptors called ... well ... interceptors.
But a tracking bonus might be a powerfull ability for a battleship, on a frigate you hardly face an opponent that makes this even remotely as powerfull as it is on a battleship. Matter of fact, I have jet to find a target I cant hit in a propperly fittet (i.e. no Railguns without tracking mod) frigate even without tracking bonus.
First you tell me to slow down, which makes me take more damage and then you talk about your use of tracking mods. Both of which are terrible arguments against a tracking bonus. Not needing to slow down is a bonus and/or having another free slot because you don't need a previously fit tracking mod is a bonus. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
123
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:20:00 -
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Well, a tracking bonus for railguns or artillery actually would make sense because out of all the longrange weapons lasers have already the best tracking, hence why you "can" (already) use small beam lasers without tracking mods but "need" to use some on Arty fitts. And even then it is because of range.
A Wolf has, with All V less tracking with artillery than any unbonused beam fitting.
Just saying, out of all the possible boni ingame, a tracking bonus is the least useable on a frigate that already uses the best tracking "longrange" weapons. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
94
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:24:00 -
[408] - Quote
Damien White wrote:Well, a tracking bonus for railguns or artillery actually would make sense because out of all the longrange weapons lasers have already the best tracking, hence why you "can" (already) use small beam lasers without tracking mods but "need" to use some on Arty fitts. And even then it is because of range.
A Wolf has, with All V less tracking with artillery than any unbonused beam fitting.
Just saying, out of all the possible boni ingame, a tracking bonus is the least useable on a frigate that already uses the best tracking "longrange" weapons.
Except that the frig in question will be flying at faster than normal speeds and possibly doing so while in Scram-Kite range. Tracking bonuses(Boni is not a word) are very strong and few if any ships wouldn't benefit from having one. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
123
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:34:00 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:Tracking bonuses(Boni is not a word)
It is, but not in english :P
Anyway, when you go for shortrange engagements dont fit longrange weapons and yes, there is such a thing like having to much tracking. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
94
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:41:00 -
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Damien White wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:Tracking bonuses(Boni is not a word) It is, but not in english :P Anyway, when you go for shortrange engagements dont fit longrange weapons and yes, there is such a thing like having to much tracking.
Yes boni is a word... in German.
Being able to use long range weapons inside of scram range also means with insta-switch ammo you can defend yourself against kiters with the same fit. Also helps hit other AB frigs and lessens the hurt from TD's. I like the bonus on the Succubus and I believe you agree that it is a very good bonus for the Phantasm and Nightmare. So if the goal is to have consistent bonuses for the Sansha line, I see no reason to change it. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
124
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:47:00 -
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Thats my point, having the same bonus for all three ship does not work and sometimes you need to adjust things a little. The Sisters of Eve Ships do not have the same buffs so why should all other factions follow this (stupid) rule? (And yes, the Nestor is "not good" but still, it has a different role than the other two)
The Cruor had the same problem with its bonus for energy neutralizers. No one used it because no one needed this bonus. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
94
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:57:00 -
[412] - Quote
I think the Cruor will end up fine In spite of it's bonuses. The Range on Scorch makes up for a lot of deficiencies. That said it does serve as a good example of your complaint. I suppose my point is that I think it works for the succubus. I like the tracking bonus and have several ideas of how to make use of it. It is most likely the exception to the rule. |

Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
124
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:00:00 -
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Speaking of the Cruor, when they give the same bonus to the Bhaalgorn, the Bhaalgorn will be totaly OP.
I am talking about the...
"Energy Vampires operate as though your capacitor is empty"
Bonus. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |

Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
94
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:03:00 -
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Damien White wrote:Speaking of the Cruor, when they give the same bonus to the Bhaalgorn, the Bhaalgorn will be totaly OP.
I am talking about the...
"Energy Vampires operate as though your capacitor is empty"
Bonus.
For sure. That is a crazy amount of free cap they will have to play with. |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
373
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:19:00 -
[415] - Quote
This thread needs to be at the top.
Does anyone actually use a Phantasm for anything besides lvl 2s?
I would love to hear fits. I have hulls, and I want to use them.
Because spikes. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
360
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:56:00 -
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The Pincushion needs +1 turret and a capacitor at least as good as a NOmen.
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Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
116
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:24:00 -
[417] - Quote
If it's bonuses are in line with the proposed Succubus buff the Phantasm could be in very good shape. Although a few stats will need to be buffed as well. |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
376
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:18:00 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:If it's bonuses are in line with the proposed Succubus buff the Phantasm could be in very good shape. Although a few stats will need to be buffed as well.
Link? To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Goldensaver
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
386
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:53:00 -
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Damien White wrote:Whats the point of having a tracking buff on a frigate? So the other frigates don't get under your guns? It actually happens with lasers, with even the smallest laser having worse tracking than the largest autocannon. That's even before getting into blasters or the sort. Then add on the fact that things like the Slasher exist with small sigs, high speeds, tracking bonuses, and tracking disruptors make for a very bad day if you can't control them. Speaking from experience here, I've even had Merlins get under the guns of my perfect skilled SFPL Coercer. And my 25% larger sig made it possible for him to track me, even with 6% less tracking. Now imagine those guns on a frigate with a massive afterburner speed boost and a smaller tracking boost in orbit of a target. Not a chance in the world of landing a hit.
Oh, but even if the bonus didn't help with Multifrequency at all, I'd be more than happy if it made Conflagration a more viable choice on a larger variety of targets.
Glathull wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:If it's bonuses are in line with the proposed Succubus buff the Phantasm could be in very good shape. Although a few stats will need to be buffed as well. Link? Proposed pirate frigate changes here. It's also at the end of the last page |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
377
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:13:00 -
[420] - Quote
Goldensaver wrote:Damien White wrote:Whats the point of having a tracking buff on a frigate? So the other frigates don't get under your guns? It actually happens with lasers, with even the smallest laser having worse tracking than the largest autocannon. That's even before getting into blasters or the sort. Then add on the fact that things like the Slasher exist with small sigs, high speeds, tracking bonuses, and tracking disruptors make for a very bad day if you can't control them. Speaking from experience here, I've even had Merlins get under the guns of my perfect skilled SFPL Coercer. And my 25% larger sig made it possible for him to track me, even with 6% less tracking. Now imagine those guns on a frigate with a massive afterburner speed boost and a smaller tracking boost in orbit of a target. Not a chance in the world of landing a hit. Oh, but even if the bonus didn't help with Multifrequency at all, I'd be more than happy if it made Conflagration a more viable choice on a larger variety of targets. Glathull wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:If it's bonuses are in line with the proposed Succubus buff the Phantasm could be in very good shape. Although a few stats will need to be buffed as well. Link? Proposed pirate frigate changes here.It's also at the end of the last page
Thank you! To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
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