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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:24:00 -
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Well done Screegs.
Keep up the good work.
And go drink those beers, they are not getting any colder.
Senex Legio Recruiter Team |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
907
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:29:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:
EULAs are not legally binding documents in America.
The United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (part of the DHS) would disagree with you.
Quote from http://www.us-cert.gov/reading_room/EULA.pdf
Quote:
EULAs are legally binding. Some consumer advocates have challenged the legality
of EULAs, especially long agreements clouded in complicated GÇ£legalese.GÇ¥ The
advocates argue these EULAs are a strategy for discouraging careful review and
hiding controversial terms and conditions. However, a number of influential court
decisions have upheld the legality of EULAs, so you need to assume youGÇÖre entering
into legal agreements when you accept their terms.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
51
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:35:00 -
[333] - Quote
Has t20 been fired yet? |
baltec1
Bat Country
5159
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:38:00 -
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Tisisan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tisisan wrote:What scares me here is that it really looks like a player can 1) question a the legality of an action publicly, 2) get an official ccp response saying its ok, 3) do said action, and 4) get banhammered by CCP Screegs who doesn't give a **** what the rest of the company thinks, then laughed at and mocked when you question it.
That's a pretty crappy way to do business. No, its a case of the dirty isk went away and people want it back so will try every way possible to get it back even if it means publicly trying to attack CCP into a corner. I don't care about eve-uni, in fact i find it funny that they've been screwed in all of this. But you need to stop licking long enough to actually read what Screegs is saying, then you might be a little concerned too.
I have. I am not concerned at all with CCP. The people kicking up a fuss over this however are sparking my curiosity into finding out why they are trying so hard to discredit our bot hunters in such a clear cut case. |
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Liquid Lucifer Industries
28
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:38:00 -
[335] - Quote
Very interesting thread.
Also, thank you to the people who posted a few useful tips such as using the scroll wheel to adjust prices and the 000 button on the calculator. |
Callie Cross
Tax Code
2
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:39:00 -
[336] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
If illegal isk were deposited in your or my wallet, we would have gotten the same breif response and the isk would have still be removed.
And you and I (as well as Kelduum or anyone else) would still have a right and reasonable expectation to ask "is all 300b illegal, can some still be saved?" and not be shut out of the process entirely.
Ranger 1 wrote:
Kelduum was not satisfied with that because of his "connections".
That's speculation and your personal opinion, and you seem a bit tilted. Show me the parts of the post that support this claim.
Ranger 1 wrote:
Being the recipient of illegally obtained isk does not entitle you to full disclosure, nor should it ever.
Again... I'm not asking for full disclosure. I just believe that amount of ISK deserves more than a one liner or canned response. The response that was provided in this thread was more than enough, and did not in any way disclose how he was botting, how they caught him etc.
Kelduum posted as much as he could and said that he wasn't receiving much information back. I don't think it's "entitlement" to ask simple questions in this matter. We are not "entitled" by having read CCP Sreegs responses in this thread. He replied to my statements saying that he said all this to Kelduum. Kelduum says in his original post that he didn't get that information.
In the end it seems that it's word against word. Did CCP Sreegs just say "we don't discuss this with 3rd parties"? Instead of taking the time to mention the few lines he said here? (Which doesn't give away any priveldged info) Or did Kelduum get the full story then go through all of this just to stir up drama?
I know who I believe... You make your choice. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3811
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:42:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:baltec1 wrote:Zakarumit CZ wrote:I would like to see much more bot tiers, but oh well. Anyway, as per using cache files for eve central or so, I would love to pull those mineral and module prices via API from CCP...problem is its not possible yet and I personally dont feel like typing 500-1000 numbers in my spreadsheets every day to see whats worth building manually.  At least you have spreadsheets. With BCs manufacturing tool now broken and not looking like its going to be fixed I might have to see just how much spreadsheet voodoo I can remember from school  Depends what you want, really. http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/ will do all the math for you.
What's "BC" tool? I always used EvE Meep and another very famous manufacturing Excel File. I am always open to learn more 
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
907
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:42:00 -
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Callie Cross wrote:
Again... I'm not asking for full disclosure. I just believe that amount of ISK deserves more than a one liner or canned response.
Why do people in possession of more ISK deserve more thorough treatment than anyone else? As long as they were being treated equitably to other people in this situation, that's all they have the right to expect.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
841
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:44:00 -
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Wow there are a lot of entitled people in this thread.
I worked in customer services once, you'd be amazed at how many customers assumed there "is a law" that means you can speak to my manager. There isn't, any company who has an escalation path for a customer or it's staff to follow is a business decision, not a legal right.
If there wasn't an escalation process at all, this would be fine, there doesn't need to be one. However what would happen is you would risk dissatisfied customers when mistakes were made which would have a larger business impact, so you put one in place allowing experienced management to review issues that are potentially not settled correctly. What it is NOT there for is for you to "escalate" higher and higher until you speak to the CEO.
I don't know or care about this individual, and I'll probably never know the true "facts", however EVE is a product just like everything else, if you feel they have broken the law or whatever and there is a regulator, sure complain to them. However having crap company policies (if that is your opinion of what they are) isn't something you can force them to change.
Oh and Sreegs, in terms of an independent IA function it entirely depends on what the team is responsible for. I work in Internal Audit currently (mostly auditing risks) and we report ultimately into the finance director, but we also have a Security team in the company (who we audit) who deal with actual investigations, who also reports to the finance director. Ideally we'd have the security team report into the finance director, audit reports into the Risk director and then the audit team is externally audited periodically.
I don't know if CCP has an internal audit function (I assume it does) but surely they would be the one watching the watchmen, as they would make sure the function is working properly.
TL;DR I'm sure it's all fine, if it's not tough luck. No-one's consumer rights are effected and it sounds like CCP did more then the bare minimum required by law anyway
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:44:00 -
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Le Badass wrote:Too bad E-Uni couldn't have the ISK to do good with. Maybe next time.
WRONG
I'm glad they didn't get it... |
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Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
93
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tisisan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tisisan wrote:What scares me here is that it really looks like a player can 1) question a the legality of an action publicly, 2) get an official ccp response saying its ok, 3) do said action, and 4) get banhammered by CCP Screegs who doesn't give a **** what the rest of the company thinks, then laughed at and mocked when you question it.
That's a pretty crappy way to do business. No, its a case of the dirty isk went away and people want it back so will try every way possible to get it back even if it means publicly trying to attack CCP into a corner. I don't care about eve-uni, in fact i find it funny that they've been screwed in all of this. But you need to stop licking long enough to actually read what Screegs is saying, then you might be a little concerned too. I have. I am not concerned at all with CCP. The people kicking up a fuss over this however are sparking my curiosity into finding out why they are trying so hard to discredit our bot hunters in such a clear cut case.
If you were remotely interested in "why" you wouldn't have cut out the rest of my post. Licklicklick If you question anything you must be a botter! licklicklick...
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:45:00 -
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Well done CCP.
Botting is a blight.
Eve-Uni has taken a severe credibility hit today. Arguing over a cut and dry case because they "couldnt keep the dirty isk". For shame Eve Uni, for shame.
Donations should cease until new leadership is in place at Eve-Uni. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1592
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:45:00 -
[343] - Quote
Has anyone asked how this guy botted over 300 billion ISK before CCP caught on to what he was doing? Does the bot detector need some work, or was it just that he was sufficiently subtle in his botting that it took that long for CCP Sreegs's team to be sure it was actually a bot?
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3811
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:47:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Just for the record, dear CCP Sreegs, I like what you have done and that you take your time to come onto the forum and talk to us. It is very kind of you and one does not get to see this often. So thank you for doing this! 
Imo CCP Sreegs does just one thing wrong.
I also visit a RL traders forum where there's a quite knowledgeable guy who basically says correct things but has always everybody flaming and teaming against him. Why? Because his attitude is very defensive (more than mine!  ) / aggressive and shows off his superiority. This is usually not really well accepted so people end up flaming him all day long even if he's totally correct.
I don't say CCP Sreegs is like that, but he indeed takes a sharp approach towards persons and this is easily seen as a provocation. This might also be cultural. I find his posting allright, others see it as almost offensive.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Callie Cross
Tax Code
2
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:47:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Callie Cross wrote:
Again... I'm not asking for full disclosure. I just believe that amount of ISK deserves more than a one liner or canned response.
Why do people in possession of more ISK deserve more thorough treatment than anyone else? As long as they were being treated equitably to other people in this situation, that's all they have the right to expect.
True enough. Everyone has a right to ask those questions, the amount doesn't really matter. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P
C C P Alliance
2417
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:49:00 -
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Callie Cross wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If illegal isk were deposited in your or my wallet, we would have gotten the same breif response and the isk would have still be removed.
And you and I (as well as Kelduum or anyone else) would still have a right and reasonable expectation to ask "is all 300b illegal, can some still be saved?" and not be shut out of the process entirely. Ranger 1 wrote:
Kelduum was not satisfied with that because of his "connections".
That's speculation and your personal opinion, and you seem a bit tilted. Show me the parts of the post that support this claim. Ranger 1 wrote:
Being the recipient of illegally obtained isk does not entitle you to full disclosure, nor should it ever.
Again... I'm not asking for full disclosure. I just believe that amount of ISK deserves more than a one liner or canned response. The response that was provided in this thread was more than enough, and did not in any way disclose how he was botting, how they caught him etc. Kelduum posted as much as he could and said that he wasn't receiving much information back. I don't think it's "entitlement" to ask simple questions in this matter. We are not "entitled" by having read CCP Sreegs responses in this thread. He replied to my statements saying that he said all this to Kelduum. Kelduum says in his original post that he didn't get that information. In the end it seems that it's word against word. Did CCP Sreegs just say "we don't discuss this with 3rd parties"? Instead of taking the time to mention the few lines he said here? (Which doesn't give away any priveldged info) Or did Kelduum get the full story then go through all of this just to stir up drama? I know who I believe... You make your choice.
Sreegs also said Kelduum was made aware of three facts:
1) The petition had been escalated to me which is the highest point possible of escalation
2) The isk was taken because it was made illegally
3) We don't discuss information about why other people have been banned with anyone but the people in question
I know this because in some cases I said it to him directly and in others it was part of a petition reply. As I stated the outrage about a lack of information is completely fabricated as all of the above information was given and that's absolutely all that should have been given. After multiple attempts to explain the same information petitions are closed as the case has come to a conclusion. Not liking the answer is not the absence of an answer.
The notion that we have no oversight is also patently false. On the EVE project I report to the Executive Producer for EVE Online. This has been made known to the CSM in past visits but given that the CSM opted not to receive a security presentation this time around perhaps there could be some misunderstanding on their part regarding how we are structured.
Will we see a thread next that Hilmar has no oversight? At what level is oversight acceptable? A director? A VP? At what level is complete fabrication designed specifically to cause my team and my company's reputation harm acceptable?
"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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baltec1
Bat Country
5162
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:49:00 -
[347] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What's "BC" tool? I always used EvE Meep and another very famous manufacturing Excel File. I am always open to learn more
Battleclinic. Its about the only thing I do use from that site. |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
21
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:50:00 -
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He was botting.
Well done CCP |
Hannah Flex
laissez-faire economics
212
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:51:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:This might also be cultural
It is. The bottom line is: this game is the property of CCP hf, it is their game, their server, their personnel and their policies, each and every one of you agree to these terms when you make a new account. We in the community are behind you 100% Sreegs, as a station trader myself I can greatly appreciate this situation and I hope that every last market botter gets banned and purged from this game.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4444
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:53:00 -
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it is pretty apparent this scandal is 100% keledrum throwing a whiny fit because he was not treated with the respect he deserves as a Very Important Spaceship Person
shame on you sreegs are you not aware of how influential he is in the mmorpg community |
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Whitehound
763
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:54:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Imo CCP Sreegs does just one thing wrong.
No. CCP Sreegs is never wrong. He is God, he is the Grim-reaper, his word has power and when he speaks then it is judgement time!
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
baltec1
Bat Country
5162
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:54:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Has anyone asked how this guy botted over 300 billion ISK before CCP caught on to what he was doing? Does the bot detector need some work, or was it just that he was sufficiently subtle in his botting that it took that long for CCP Sreegs's team to be sure it was actually a bot?
You will not get an answer to this as it gives out too much info on how they go about detecting bots. However I can say that 300 billion is not as huge a sum these days. |
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:54:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:This might also be cultural It is. The bottom line is: this game is the property of CCP hf, it is their game, their server, their personnel and their policies, each and every one of you agree to these terms when you make a new account. We in the community are behind you 100% Sreegs, as a station trader myself I can greatly appreciate this situation and I hope that every last market botter gets banned and purged from this game.
I agree 1000% with this statement...
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
909
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:54:00 -
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Callie Cross wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Callie Cross wrote:
Again... I'm not asking for full disclosure. I just believe that amount of ISK deserves more than a one liner or canned response.
Why do people in possession of more ISK deserve more thorough treatment than anyone else? As long as they were being treated equitably to other people in this situation, that's all they have the right to expect. True enough. Everyone has a right to ask those questions, the amount doesn't really matter.
Having the right to ask the question and having the right to the answers is not the same thing. You know that, right?
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1345
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:55:00 -
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[quote=CCP Sreegs]
I'm not responding to copy pastes from another forum posted only there for the sole purpose of ensuring that I can't respond to them. I thought this couldn't get any more infantile but woo boy howdy was I wrong.
You must be new here......
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3811
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What's "BC" tool? I always used EvE Meep and another very famous manufacturing Excel File. I am always open to learn more Battleclinic. Its about the only thing I do use from that site.
Ah, thank you. I used to use EvE HQ from the same web site, it had an unofficial sweet T2 invention plug in that made life so easy. But then the plug in stopped being updated 
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4448
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:56:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Will we see a thread next that Hilmar has no oversight? At what level is oversight acceptable? A director? A VP? At what level is complete fabrication designed specifically to cause my team and my company's reputation harm acceptable?
the board of directors is the proper check on management malfesance that threatens shareholders but if you have any shareholders who care about this i would love to meet them and encourage them to invest in Weaselior's High-Yield Investment Program (these meetings and investments must take place in countries with no us extradition treaty or securities laws) |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P
C C P Alliance
2435
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:56:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Imo CCP Sreegs does just one thing wrong. No. CCP Sreegs is never wrong. He is God, he is the Grim-reaper, his word has power and when he speaks then it is judgement time!
Finally somebody gets it
"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:57:00 -
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Eve Uni and its leadership are showing their arse with this nonsense. Reading the thread fully on their website I am embarrassed for them as a whole over their responses.
The thing is, backing a corpmate, even if guilty, is something I could understand, but the pettiness of fighting and making unfounded accusations only driven by greed for dirty isk, is just too much for a corporation that makes a living off of portraying a benevolence to the greater Eve community.
No one should donate to Eve Uni until there is a leadership purge. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P
C C P Alliance
2435
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:57:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Will we see a thread next that Hilmar has no oversight? At what level is oversight acceptable? A director? A VP? At what level is complete fabrication designed specifically to cause my team and my company's reputation harm acceptable?
the board of directors is the proper check on management malfesance that threatens shareholders but if you have any shareholders who care about this i would love to meet them and encourage them to invest in Weaselior's High-Yield Investment Program (these meetings and investments must take place in countries with no us extradition treaty or securities laws)
I thought of that after I posted it and decided to pretend I hadn't instead
"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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