I'm pretty sure we define botting.

You leave out the step where you look up the price you want to enter and type it into the field before pressing ENTER.

This alone takes more than 2 seconds.

I always make sure I get the digits right or else I might enter a ridiculous amount and make a massive loss. This guy must have been using some tool to be entering the right price this fast.

You leave out the step where you look up the price you want to enter and type it into the field before pressing ENTER.

This alone takes more than 2 seconds.

I always make sure I get the digits right or else I might enter a ridiculous amount and make a massive loss. This guy must have been using some tool to be entering the right price this fast.

You leave out the step where you look up the price you want to enter and type it into the field before pressing ENTER.

This alone takes more than 2 seconds.

I always make sure I get the digits right or else I might enter a ridiculous amount and make a massive loss. This guy must have been using some tool to be entering the right price this fast.

Disclaimer; I haven't read the whole thread, just the OP.

I have heard of similar things. I won't give too many details, but someone I played with had an alt... and that alt was Spaceship Barbie. Now, he made more money than Spaceship Barbie did with the scams anyway, but it goes to say that he dealt in a very very very very very large amount of ISK on a daily basis. CCP accused him of either ISK selling, or dealing with ISK sellers. Apparently they weren't very specific. Either way he was banned and his ISK was removed. He was banned for literally months whilst this person tried to prove their innocence. At the end of it, they unbanned him and said they were mistaken, but as far as I am aware they never returned his ISK. Now frankly, that is appalling.

I am, of course, hearing this all second hand, but it's not beyond any company to make horrible mistakes. I think there is actually an internal affairs apartment in CCP for regulating the GMs. When I told my friend about this, he had never heard of that. Perhaps if he can gone to them as soon as it got messy, it might have turned out differently.

Ok so, this all seems fairly normal to me, guy gets banned for updating 30 market orders a minute (yes 1 every 2 seconds, cmon), so CCP let him keep the isk.

Perhaps we would have more confidence in your opinions if you hadn't shown complete cluelessness regarding your own policies (and the common practices of the market community) before.

(edit: nope, I don't buy your "just checking to see how these things are communicated" comeback, it was extremely weak.)

This was already covered earlier. CCP Sreegs explained why the isk wasn't taken straight away.

Now let's be honest, if that thread was about somebody in TEST or Goonswarm the community's reaction would have been "lol botter." Let's not pretend otherwise. The fact that this guy is in an ~honourable~ corp based in hisec seems to indicate, to some, that he plays within the rules, when for all we know he's been running a market bot the whole time and is just trying to start drama in response to being punished appropriately.

"But hurr they didn't remove the ISK until he sent it to E-UNI!"

The ISK wasn't there when he was banned - he liquidated his assets after the suspension period was over.
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He wasnt botting CCP interpreted his actions as botting because they didnt understand what he was actually doing in theory 'attack what you dont understand' in this case

What ban man? He donated the money after coming back from the suspension and then biomassed. The money was all the time there during the only suspension.

Suspension is commonly mistaken for the word Ban. I think it's an American thing.

Suspension is commonly mistaken for the word Ban. I think it's an American thing.

What ban man? He donated the money after coming back from the suspension and then biomassed. The money was all the time there during the only suspension.

Then Adnski is making it up while he says that the money wasn't there when the 'ban' was applied. Not even CCP has argued that it didn't.

Then Adnski is making it up while he says that the money wasn't there when the 'ban' was applied. Not even CCP has argued that it didn't.

I've always wondered if what CCP does can be subject to a lawsuit (either by one person or as a class-action) and I believe this would definitely qualify, because CCP is essentially committing FRAUD by not allowing people to benefit from its service as they intended and their security team can, without any recourse, cause irreperable harm in both time and real life money lost by one or more players.

This needs to go to court, and CCP must be held accountable.

I'm not sure how asking for where we've made a statement I disagree with (and I'm the only one that matters in this instance) is "cluelessness" but suffice it to say that I would highly recommend you not engage in such activity. You can choose to ignore that and make a self righteous post defending yourself after we take action if you like.

What ban man? He donated the money after coming back from the suspension and then biomassed. The money was all the time there during the only suspension.

Typing a price is also unnecessary, as simply rolling the mousewheel changes the price by 0.01 ISK. I'm sure you knew that though. =P

You can use the in-game browser to display market data, which makes it a trivial task to write software that detects when you need to update you orders. All you need to do is use javascript to cycle trough the item you want to sell, this updates the local cache which you can parse to get the items sell prices. From there on all you need to do is verify the weather or not you have the lowest price.

You can list the correct price need to undercut by .1 isk, or maybe even manipulate the copy/paste buffer directly to contain the correct value. In the end all you need to do is find the correct order, edit and paste the value. It probably takes more then 2 sec for reach order, but you can do a lot of orders each minute.

This is a public know and legal way of managing market orders.

I'm not sure how asking for where we've made a statement I disagree with (and I'm the only one that matters in this instance) is "cluelessness" but suffice it to say that I would highly recommend you not engage in such activity. You can choose to ignore that and make a self righteous post defending yourself after we take action if you like.

then by all means give up a link to it.

11) Market cache scraping to automatically collect, collate and upload market data.
As long as the IGB-specific procedure to open the market window for a specific item (and thus having the client creating cache data for that item) exists, you can use it. Keep in mind, though, that changes to this may happen and this procedure may stop working at any time. Also, reading and evaluating the clients cache data with third party tools is permitted, however modifying cache files used by the client is not and falls under modification of client files.

Speaking of self righteous...

Are we to interpret this as official policy change on the issue of cache scraping? 9 months ago, you were fine with it, have things changed since then? If so, I guess enjoy gloating over wrongly banned market accounts.

Now let's be honest, if that thread was about somebody in TEST or Goonswarm the community's reaction would have been "lol botter." Let's not pretend otherwise.