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Ge Hucel-Ge University of Caille Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.04.03 07:36:00 - [121] - Quote how are legions compared to all the shiny armor bs? they don't show the big dps numbers in eft, but shouldn't they apply their damage much better to the smaller targets in vanguards?
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 328	Posted - 2013.04.03 07:52:00 - [122] - Quote Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: how are legions compared to all the shiny armor bs? they don't show the big dps numbers in eft, but shouldn't they apply their damage much better to the smaller targets in vanguards? Legions are absolutely fantastic at doing two of the three VG sites, I believe TDF is still fielding Legions to great effect in this manner. I also have seen several Leigon shield fleets still running as recently as yesterday, but unfortunately I donGÇÖt know what group they were running with or if it was a multiboxer . But I am confident the TDF will have a spot for your legion just join their channel and they can get you sorted. Channel GÇÿThe Ditanian FleetGÇÖ Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Miles Forrester Reverberation Inc 11	Posted - 2013.04.04 19:21:00 - [123] - Quote Some vanguard groups missing from the list: Union 0f Revolution Incursions (channel: U.o.R Inca) State War Academy Incursions (channel: SWA Incursions) Hunter's Brotherhood (channel: Hunter's Brotherhood)
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 328	Posted - 2013.04.04 20:23:00 - [124] - Quote Miles Forrester wrote: Some vanguard groups missing from the list: Union 0f Revolution Incursions (channel: U.o.R Inca) State War Academy Incursions (channel: SWA Incursions) Hunter's Brotherhood (channel: Hunter's Brotherhood) added them to the OP thanks for the preformatted information Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Hvitr Ulfr North Caldari Trading Company 0	Posted - 2013.04.04 22:56:00 - [125] - Quote First of all, thanks for making and maintaining thread, it is very informative. Secondly, I have a question you can hopefully answer. Would I be able to find fleets wanting to take me in a T3 BC, even if it's just running Vanguards? Specifically, I have a T2 tanked, meta 4 gunned blaster Naga which I would be interested in getting into incursions with while I work my way up to a Rokh. Low slots: 3 x Magnetic Field Stabilizers II Medium slots: 1 x Experimental 10MN Afterburner I 2 x Large Shield Extender II 1 x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1 x EM Ward Field II 1 x Thermic Dissipation Field II High slots: 8 x Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I: Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Rigs: 1 x Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I 2 x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Is getting into incursions fleets with this realistic, or would I just be wasting my time trying until I get into a Rokh?
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 328	Posted - 2013.04.05 04:04:00 - [126] - Quote Hvitr Ulfr wrote: First of all, thanks for making and maintaining thread, it is very informative. Secondly, I have a question you can hopefully answer. Would I be able to find fleets wanting to take me in a T3 BC, even if it's just running Vanguards? Specifically, I have a T2 tanked, meta 4 gunned blaster Naga which I would be interested in getting into incursions with while I work my way up to a Rokh. I personally havenGÇÖt seen a Naga in a fleet in a long time, but a properly tanked (resists over 70%) Naga should survive without too much difficulty. That being said, GÇÿThe Valhalla ProjectGÇÖ is a very inclusive community; they take pretty much everything and somehow manage to make it work. I would send a mail to DaisyCutter (TVP head honcho) to check, but the easy way to find out is join their channel and ask directly. Expect some trolling itGÇÖs sort of an initiation thing ;) kinda like a Frat or Sorority. Also it looks like you are only a few hours away from a meta-4 gun Rokh, and I know those get used. And of course the eventual Vindicator (though very squishy for shields) are welcome in pretty much any fleet. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Hvitr Ulfr North Caldari Trading Company 0	Posted - 2013.04.05 06:24:00 - [127] - Quote Thanks for the quick response. I'm glad to hear I have a shot and I'll be checking the TVP out. The Naga makes a lot more sense for me right now since I have BC lvl 4, but not Caldari Cruiser lvl 4 or Caldari Battleship. Plus I'm still space poor from buying and fitting the Naga and the Rokh hull is three times as expensive as the Naga hull, plus rigs, insurance, and any mods I need in addition to what I can take off the Naga. I'm hoping running incursions can help me make enough to purchase a Rokh eventually, but right now it's not really feasible any time soon.
Dianila Artemisa Thorn Project Ushra'Khan 3	Posted - 2013.04.05 10:57:00 - [128] - Quote Just a quick suggestion: split the communities in the first post in shields and armor and then in training, training/advanced and advanced. It might make looking for communities a bit easier ;)
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 328	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:22:00 - [129] - Quote Dianila Artemisa wrote: Just a quick suggestion: split the communities in the first post in shields and armor and then in training, training/advanced and advanced. It might make looking for communities a bit easier ;) Great suggestion thanks. Be sure to let me know if I got something wrong. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Dianila Artemisa Thorn Project Ushra'Khan 3	Posted - 2013.04.05 14:15:00 - [130] - Quote SWA Incursions and U.o.R Inca are both training groups and are working together.

Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 328	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:18:00 - [131] - Quote Dianila Artemisa wrote: SWA Incursions and U.o.R Inca are both training groups and are working together. corrected in OP Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Roshisama Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.08 12:10:00 - [132] - Quote Hi there, first of all: thank you for this nice summary. unfortunately i-¦m still about 50 days away from large T2-Guns (mostly missile char so far) but at least the shield skills are quite ok. would it be possible to find a vanguard-fleet running a tengu like the following? [Tengu, Incursion] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith A-Type Explosive Deflection Field EM Ward Field II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst with my current skills this would run at 16,4k shield-hp (raw) with resists of 80,5/86/85,6/85,9. dps out of pyfa with scourge fury 558 @ 57 km. i could switch to HAMs for 744 DPS with scourge rage @ 20 km. any improvements etc are welcome. the big goal atm is to fly a nightmare, though a rokh with t2 rails is a lot closer. thanks Roshi
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 336	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:26:00 - [133] - Quote Roshi: I am sorry I am useless at Tengu fits, :( I know TVP takes Tengu's, also the UoR/SWA combo (they use UoRs channel) takes pretty much any DPS ship as well, hop in their public channels and I am sure they can get you squared away and flying in short order. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 286	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:33:00 - [134] - Quote I lolled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfyo_20EYhw&feature=youtu.be
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum Rough Riders. 0	Posted - 2013.04.08 15:35:00 - [135] - Quote Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: how are legions compared to all the shiny armor bs? they don't show the big dps numbers in eft, but shouldn't they apply their damage much better to the smaller targets in vanguards? Well fit shield legions get fleet too, so I would assume that they would get fleet in armor communities, especially as drone bunny, for the ability to alpha Niarja spawns in TCRCs if nothing else. Also, the Warp To Me Public Channel is Warp To Me Incursions. If you are doing the community classification, WTM is a relaxed shield community that runs all levels of sites. Thank you in advance for the (assumed) prompt update.
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 336	Posted - 2013.04.08 15:50:00 - [136] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Also, the Warp To Me Public Channel is Warp To Me Incursions. If you are doing the community classification, WTM is a relaxed shield community that runs all levels of sites. Thank you in advance for the (assumed) prompt update. I thought that was a typo in the mail. Corrected in OP thanks for the Edits. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum Rough Riders. 1	Posted - 2013.04.08 16:01:00 - [137] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: I thought that was a typo in the mail. Corrected in OP thanks for the Edits. And thank you for prompt maintenance of your OP, OP.
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 361	Posted - 2013.04.08 16:53:00 - [138] - Quote Hi Starting from this point : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Frostys_Virpio I know it's all oer the place... Is there some kind of path that could be remotely fast to at least get a feel of what incursion are like? I understand that missile a sub optimal so it would probably mean crossing to gun but i'm allright with that.
Kharn Gorechild Krew Life 0	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:47:00 - [139] - Quote [17:03:17] Goldiiee > well find the turrets you closest to completing, and then get the BS skill. and we can get you in fleets to (pay for) and fill out the fit with the appropriate modules Regular guy came into a channel, asked a few simple questions, got the good information he was looking for, and was given great advice on alternatives until he was ready. He said thank you, and went on his merry way. Wasn't said to me, but the fact that people are still willing to help each other out in this game is really cool. +1 to you Goldiiee for taking the time to support the new(er) guys/gals
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum Rough Riders. 1	Posted - 2013.04.08 18:09:00 - [140] - Quote Roshisama wrote: Hi there, [Tengu, Incursion] fit trimmed with my current skills this would run at 16,4k shield-hp (raw) with resists of 80,5/86/85,6/85,9. dps out of pyfa with scourge fury 558 @ 57 km. i could switch to HAMs for 744 DPS with scourge rage @ 20 km. any improvements etc are welcome. the big goal atm is to fly a nightmare, though a rokh with t2 rails is a lot closer. thanks Roshi Definitely got the tank for it. I would suggest switching out for HAMs and dropping the LSE for a Target painter or web if you're looking for a vanguard fleet as they contain few cruiser+ ships and many frigates that close to between 8 and 15 km. Also blaster rokhs are very nasty in VG fleets as they have the utility mids to be pocket vindis without quite so much squish.

Doctor Ape MD Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:16:00 - [141] - Quote There seems to be a drastic disparity between the number of armor and shield incursion groups and fleets. Any particular reason for this? I know that shields have generally been considered 'better' at PvE and mission running since as long as I can remember, but having not run incursions myself I am trying to understand why there is such an overwhelming difference between the two.
BlackPyroStorm N0 Destination RAZOR Alliance 7	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:43:00 - [142] - Quote Main reason is the mentality that armour using lows slot for tank compromise slots for dps modules, however in practice the only substantial difference is that shield reps come at start of cycle and armour reps at the end of cycle, allowing shield to use lighter tanks as less buffer is required
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 338	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:50:00 - [143] - Quote I can only make some assumptions here, but it might help to clarify some of those questions about Shield vs. Armour. DarthNefarius is a long time FC for armour and he can probably give some better ideas as to the disparity between the two camps. I think originally when Incursions were introduced the sheer incoming DPS tended to make armour the best bet, with large buffers, and the majority of large fleet manoeuvres being a standard operation for armour fleets. I would assume that PVP experience told everyone that armour was the way to go when dealing with this level of PVE. For instance the first incursions I ran the FC told me to get my fit to 150k EHP or he wouldnGÇÖt accept me in fleet. So I am making some assumptions here based on that experience, I could be way off-base but it seems to make sense to me. After the trail and error phase of learning incursions was over, and the spawns, DPS, and influence bar was mapped by the armour groups, shields felt more confident in accessing sites with a solid baseline to prepare from. Certain advantages are evident in shield fleets, for instance the reps landing at the beginning of the cycle from logistics means that there is no delay from the logis in shield vs a 4.5 to 5 second delay from an armour logi. Additionally a Shield ship is easier to set up with high DPS and Alphas (nothing but damage mods in the lows) allowing them to remove the most dangerous rats quickly and remove stress from the logistics squad. The introduction of affordable(heh) Deadspace Invuls helped even more with Shield tanks dropping to one rig and one mid slot for tank and everything else for Gank (damage projection, tracking, scan res). Essentially a very expensive shield Mach can have one mid slot for tank, one rig slot for tank (EM-rig), and 20 remaining slots for Gank (1000dps artillery boat for me). As long as you bring the best logis you can find in the game you can fly these glass cannons and be relatively safe. But armour is still the preferred group to fly with if youGÇÖre doing as low sec Incursion, as the need to switch from PVE to PVP mid site is almost always a certainty. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Evelle School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 22:56:00 - [144] - Quote How welcome would the following Vindicator fit be? Traveling and can't ask in any of the channels right now. Faction fitting the mag stabs is an obvious upgrade but there is a limit I want to spend until I decide if I like running incursions. [Vindicator, inc?] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
7'62 SKS 7.62 36	Posted - 2013.04.10 00:33:00 - [145] - Quote That Vindi looks good for VG shield fleets. Paste the fit into some of the more popular shield channels and adjust as required. ISN would of course want a lot more shiny on it, especially in the lows and possibly even T2 rigs.
Evelle School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.10 01:45:00 - [146] - Quote Can't fit T2 rigs due to lack of calibration, Vindi only has 350. Would have to sacrifice one of the rig slots to make one of the others T2.
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 338	Posted - 2013.04.10 07:36:00 - [147] - Quote Evelle; 7'62 SKS is right, that fit will be fine for Incursions. higher end groups like ISN will want Faction damage mods, and fitting T2 rigs gets problematic with calibration, I would suggest T2 EM rig but you wouldn't be able to fit the two Hybrid rigs (calibration again). With an OGB I am seeing 65/68/76/80 resists the LSE should give you just enough buffer (especially with the miniscule shield on a Vindi) to let the logis save you, but there will be some rather scary times when it feels like they might not make it in time. I sent you a mail with some fits I have seen used recently hope that helps. But you should have no problem getting into a fleet with that ship, deadspace Invul when you can afford it will fix the low resits holes , and getting it right is more a trail and error thing from that point. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Kveggende Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:29:00 - [148] - Quote Been absent from the game awhile... Whats the current FOTM ships for Incursions?
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 346	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:32:00 - [149] - Quote Kveggende wrote: Been absent from the game awhile... Whats the current FOTM ships for Incursions? Armour or Shield? Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Kveggende Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:39:00 - [150] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: Kveggende wrote: Been absent from the game awhile... Whats the current FOTM ships for Incursions? Armour or Shield? Well, which one is more popular?



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