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Graham Bauval Malevolence. 1	Posted - 2014.01.28 20:17:00 - [541] - Quote where are the current hi-sec sights?
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 19	Posted - 2014.01.28 20:36:00 - [542] - Quote Graham Bauval wrote: where are the current hi-sec sights? Check your journal. This will be accurate unless there has been a round of mompoppery in the last hour or so. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Graham Bauval Malevolence. 1	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:11:00 - [543] - Quote Yea, no access at the moment so I thought I would ask here...haha um
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 882	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:21:00 - [544] - Quote Graham Bauval wrote: Yea, no access at the moment so I thought I would ask here...haha um Mossas, Is the only High sec up right now. but Patch-day is also affectionately know as Bug-day so I don't know if anyone is seriously running it. BTW; 21j from Amarr give or take. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Abdul 'aleem Sumiko Yoshida Corporation 152	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:35:00 - [545] - Quote Great thread OP I will be using it when I get back into incursioning There is a suggestion in Forums & Ideas that will make it harder for griefers to grief missioners. Unique Mission Item Theft Rebalance Be sure to "like" the original post if you support it.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 19	Posted - 2014.01.31 22:38:00 - [546] - Quote Update: UOR channel name has changed to UOR VG. I am starting work on a explicitly training shield Vg community, which will take things as low skill as t2 tanked BCs. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 891	Posted - 2014.01.31 22:52:00 - [547] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Update: UOR channel name has changed to UOR VG. I am starting work on a explicitly training shield Vg community, which will take things as low skill as t2 tanked BCs. Done Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Orlin Aurilen Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 0	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:47:00 - [548] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Update: UOR channel name has changed to UOR VG. I am starting work on a explicitly training shield Vg community, which will take things as low skill as t2 tanked BCs. Correction, channel name is U0R VG 0 as in the number not the letter.
Sentenced 1989 Quantum Anomaly Corporation 36	Posted - 2014.02.02 14:19:00 - [549] - Quote Here, to make it easier for you incursion FC's out there You can use this facebook application to update your motd with current focus, without having to link each system manually. Just open the app, ignore the warning for certificate (it's self signed, just to make it work on facebook) and select constallation and color from dropdown menus, select all and paste in your channel with all systems linked, etc If you find any mistakes or missing info, eve mail me and I'll add it. Link: https://apps.facebook.com/incursion_const/ (can only be used by chrome and safari so far due to cert issues) Support for internet explorer and firefox is coming in few hours, or I'll just move the app away from facebook to another server and update the link Also, feel free to add The Incursion Guild (TIG) (invite only, Marauders) to list of trustworthy shield communities :) ----- -áThe Incursion Guild -----
Beaty Swollocks The Circus Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun 24	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:15:00 - [550] - Quote Hi to the Incursion community o/. A thanks to CV and PV for directing me to this thread and sending me a mail with a link to many ingame channels to join etc. I have to say i do feel a little like this community is for elitests (i do hope i'm truly wrong?). I mean i'm 80m sp, predomantly caldari, fully trained in shield//missile skills and i feel i would have no place in any incursion fleets as to me it seems to be all armor fleets and everything else sucks! (Don't get me wrong, i've never flown incursions so that may well be the case!) So to try fit in and enter this incursion world and community i have decided to for the 1st time in 6//7 years of playing (on and off!) to train guns and armor skills and finally ANOTHER RACE! (which i know will benifit me too!). While reading this thread over and learning what i can about incursions. I just hope by the time i train for t2 large guns and get the ships BS race to 5 that this community is still going strong !

Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 905	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:42:00 - [551] - Quote Beaty Swollocks wrote: Hi to the Incursion community o/. A thanks to CV and PV for directing me to this thread and sending me a mail with a link to many ingame channels to join etc. I have to say i do feel a little like this community is for elitests (i do hope i'm truly wrong?). I mean i'm 80m sp, predomantly caldari, fully trained in shield//missile skills and i feel i would have no place in any incursion fleets as to me it seems to be all armor fleets and everything else sucks! (Don't get me wrong, i've never flown incursions so that may well be the case!) So to try fit in and enter this incursion world and community i have decided to for the 1st time in 6//7 years of playing (on and off!) to train guns and armor skills and finally ANOTHER RACE! (which i know will benifit me too!). While reading this thread over and learning what i can about incursions. I just hope by the time i train for t2 large guns and get the ships BS race to 5 that this community is still going strong ! Elitist; Beaty Swollocks; Sometimes the veterans can seem like elitists, and sometimes they just are elitists. This is a common effect of doing something for so long and having so much experience at it that every time they see someone do something wrong the jump on it like a hyena with fresh meat. The Veterans have good days and bad, a lot of the elitist attitude has a direct correlation to the type of day they are having. Missiles; It is a bit sad that a weapon system that requires so many skill points is so useless at a form of PVE, but it just works out that the delayed damage of missiles has dire consequences in a contest, and like the aforementioned hyena's if they smell blood they won't stop eating till the other fleet is dead. Armor vs. Shield; You don't need the armor skills unless you have a predilection to flying with the armor group, shield groups are a dime a dozen these days and many of them are excellent at making ISK and keeping members safe (Well as safe as they can). Skilling turrets; And finally, the change in the skill tree for large turrets was just recently changed from a 70+ day queue to 40'ish' days, but if your plans are to hop in a turret boat and do Incursions then check with some of the groups listed in the OP and see if they will let you do a ride along in a meta 4 gunboat, or even your missile boat, to make sure this is the right choice for you before making a dedicated change in the blind. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Beaty Swollocks The Circus Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun 24	Posted - 2014.02.06 11:29:00 - [552] - Quote Thanks Goldiiee, i appreciate the time you put in to reply. I figured that with missiles, i always knew i should try another weapon platform but never did :x but thats really good that they lowered the requirements of large guns. So being as im pure caldari, would the nightmare be my best bet to aim for ? or .... (other turret based faction ships are gal//min :\|)
Gimme more Cynos Du nervst geh sterben 132	Posted - 2014.02.06 12:33:00 - [553] - Quote nightmare, vindicator, machariel. Choose one. :) you could also use a basilisk to play the logi.
Kero Resistanbul Memintolar Tombikto 0	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:13:00 - [554] - Quote Hi guys. I'm wondering about how about skills in incursions.I want to do inc. but i'm not sure about my skills .For example i'm usin maelstorm and doing soe level 4 missions. I cant use t2 guns i got total 4 m skill cap. So what is the minimum skill level or points or skills for inc ? my main skills gunnery 5 allsub gunnery 3 largeprojetile 4 capacitor emmision sytems 2 cap management 3 capacitor system op 4 electronic upg 3 energygrid 4 powergrid 4 weapon upg 4 all shield resist 3 shield compens 3 shield emmison 3 shield mang 3 shield operat 4(learning now to 5 ) sheild upg 4 tactical shield man 4 spaceship command 4 minmatar bs 4
Beaty Swollocks The Circus Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun 24	Posted - 2014.02.06 18:28:00 - [555] - Quote Gimme more Cynos wrote: nightmare, vindicator, machariel. Choose one. :) you could also use a basilisk to play the logi. the reason i said NMis cos i already have caldari bs 5 so just amarr bs and large guns req, where as the others require gal//minm bs
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 911	Posted - 2014.02.06 18:50:00 - [556] - Quote Beaty Swollocks wrote: Gimme more Cynos wrote: nightmare, vindicator, machariel. Choose one. :) you could also use a basilisk to play the logi. the reason i said NMis cos i already have caldari bs 5 so just amarr bs and large guns req, where as the others require gal//minm bs Nightmare is an excellent choice, my alt had the same situation but has since trained into all three Incursion pirate BS's and all 4 logi's. Everyone has to start somewhere. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 911	Posted - 2014.02.06 19:05:00 - [557] - Quote Kero Resistanbul wrote: Hi guys. I'm wondering about how about skills in incursions.I want to do inc. but i'm not sure about my skills .For example i'm usin maelstorm and doing soe level 4 missions. I cant use t2 guns i got total 4 m skill cap. So what is the minimum skill level or points or skills for inc ? With your low skills I would suggest going to TVP's webpage (Link is in the OP) look through their fits and see how far you are from their Maelstrom fit. Be aware at peak times the FC is going to pick players with higher end skills and ships to protect their income, but if you can get into a minimum fit maelstrom and join their channel you can put some feelers out to see if they would take you on with the what you can fly. Afterthought; As an FC I consider 1000dps minimum per ship to be a standard when picking members for a fleet, but I fly with a ISN and we only take pirate faction BS's and T2 weapons. TVP is much bigger and can usually accommodate a few low skill pilots while the pilots train to get better. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved 4	Posted - 2014.02.06 20:12:00 - [558] - Quote Don't incursion fleets clash with each other for a chance to do a site? And in that case, the fleet with the highest DPS wins? Doesn't that mean that wherever the ISN or other shiny fleets go, other fleets have no chance? I want to get into incursions. I've got the skills. I've got the ISK to buy a Pirate BS, but i obviously don't want to do that just on the first attempt. I've got Logi 5, but i hear that Logis are a dime a dozen, so i'd be waiting a long time for someone to pick me So how do i get in?
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 19	Posted - 2014.02.06 20:21:00 - [559] - Quote hydraSlav wrote: Don't incursion fleets clash with each other for a chance to do a site? And in that case, the fleet with the highest DPS wins? Doesn't that mean that wherever the ISN or other shiny fleets go, other fleets have no chance? I want to get into incursions. I've got the skills. I've got the ISK to buy a Pirate BS, but i obviously don't want to do that just on the first attempt. I've got Logi 5, but i hear that Logis are a dime a dozen, so i'd be waiting a long time for someone to pick me So how do i get in? Having flown with non-shiny, and shiny fleets, I will tell you that an alert, shiny fleet, that is on the ball will beat any non shiny fleet. The issue is that you do not always have everyone alert and on the ball, so some fleets that really shouldn't in raw value or shiny factor will win. Also, lately even VGs have had low enough numbers of fleets to make contests the exception rather than the rule, with maybe 1 in the average hour during the week and 2 in an hour during the weekend. Getting in is a bit more tricky. Currently, TVP and WTM (the "training" HQ channels) are swamped during the weekend, and most of the week. ISN and DKY are pirate and logi 5 only, so they have a high bar to anyone not already so equipped and trained. TDF is armor, and variable in hull and fit needed based on which FC and doctrine that FC is flying. U0R and Road-Kill are probably the easiest to get into that I have flown with and thus can recommend, and complement each other well on time zon That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Kero Resistanbul Memintolar Tombikto 0	Posted - 2014.02.07 09:26:00 - [560] - Quote Thanx for answer but still i dont get it. What is the skill level for incursions.I gave my chart up there can u give an idea or can u say'' U have to learn that skill 5 before enter inc.'' ? Thanx for patience ... So what is the minimum skill level or points or skills for inc ? [/quote] With your low skills I would suggest going to TVP's webpage (Link is in the OP) look through their fits and see how far you are from their Maelstrom fit. Be aware at peak times the FC is going to pick players with higher end skills and ships to protect their income, but if you can get into a minimum fit maelstrom and join their channel you can put some feelers out to see if they would take you on with the what you can fly. Afterthought; As an FC I consider 1000dps minimum per ship to be a standard when picking members for a fleet, but I fly with a ISN and we only take pirate faction BS's and T2 weapons. TVP is much bigger and can usually accommodate a few low skill pilots while the pilots train to get better.[/quote]

The Djego Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition 237	Posted - 2014.02.07 12:14:00 - [561] - Quote Kero Resistanbul wrote: So what is the minimum skill level or points or skills for inc ? Depends on the channel really, I have seen 2 month old chars in BS in TDF and it works out ok(ofc nobody expect max dps from them). What you should have are the tanking skills at least to 4, so you can use T2 mods and shield management to 4(for buffer), armor compensation skills if you fly armor, gunnery skills to 4(tracking, rof, damage, optimal, falloff) and sufficient support skills to handle your ship(that means get some cap skills to not cap out all the time if you need to move your hull with a mwd, if necessary add a extra cap mod to compensate in the beginning and some navigation skills to move it around in a fluid manner). Your list is missing: drone skills(get 5 T2 lights, at least 40km drone control range and drone navigation to 4 so your drones don't fall behind) navigation 4 high speed manoeuvring 4 acceleration control 4 warp drive operation 3, better 4 evasive manoeuvring 3, better 4 Keep your support skills balanced with the dps skills, getting T2 guns while being halve a pocket behind all the time and spamming the need cap button 3 times as often as a NM in a mealstorm(I seen it, and it is annoying in a cap Basi) is not useful at all. You should first be able to comfortable fly in your ship with a mwd, tank and fit it sufficient before your work on reaching high dps, what are the requirement for some more advanced fleets. hydraSlav wrote: Don't incursion fleets clash with each other for a chance to do a site? And in that case, the fleet with the highest DPS wins? Doesn't that mean that wherever the ISN or other shiny fleets go, other fleets have no chance? Well for HQ you might accept that you can't win them all, it often comes down to the FC background work how good this works out, if everything fails you might swap incursions(because there is only one HQ system per Inc). VGs and contesting comes down a lot to the ability's of the FC, you can take a non shiny fleet and fly in the same system as ISN, if you get your timing right(starting the site at a time where the other fleet is still busy for at least 1-2 minutes) or focus on stuff they are not optimized for(contesting you there isn't in her interest, since they want this sites removed as fast as possible etc.) or simply switch systems often. It is a bit like a game of chess, where the better gang got the first move but you can play to if you adopt to her play style a bit. hydraSlav wrote: I want to get into incursions. I've got the skills. I've got the ISK to buy a Pirate BS, but i obviously don't want to do that just on the first attempt. I've got Logi 5, but i hear that Logis are a dime a dozen, so i'd be waiting a long time for someone to pick me So how do i get in? There can be to many logis or to many dps at times, then again there are times where FCs search for logis for 30 minutes or even longer, the best solution is to have both hulls with you if you can fly them. Just join one or more of the major channels, look at her fitting mailing lists or what is posted and move your logi there and wait for FC requests/x up in the channel, shouldn't take long to get into fleets. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Kero Resistanbul Memintolar Tombikto 0	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:39:00 - [562] - Quote -¦ got tank skills 4 i got t2 drones but i cant use t2 guns. Also need engineering skills they r 2-3 but learning. So do you now any channel for newbies ?
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 20	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:42:00 - [563] - Quote Kero Resistanbul wrote: -¦ got tank skills 4 i got t2 drones but i cant use t2 guns. Also need engineering skills they r 2-3 but learning. So do you now any channel for newbies ? Road-Kill sometimes takes people that are that new and will likely take you when the engineering skills finish. U0R will likely take you once the engineering skills complete. Do not know anywhere else that I have flown with. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 20	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:42:00 - [564] - Quote Cross posting for subscribed people: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320331&find=unread ^ Another proposal to make Assaults a viable site type. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 941	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:24:00 - [565] - Quote Bump and some numbers Some factiods to make the Bump entertaining. Effect of Implants and Oveheating on Machariel DPS and DP(Minute) +0s - 841 DPS - 50,460 DMP - Heat 59,340 DPM +1s - 857 DPS - 51,420 DPM - Heat 60,540 DPM +2s - 883 DPS - 52,980 DPM - Heat 62,340 DPM +3s - 892 DPS - 53,520 DPM - Heat 62,940 DPM +4s - 909 DPS - 54,540 DPM - Heat 64,200 DPM +5s - 927 DPS - 55,620 DPM - Heat 65,400 DPM +6s - 945 DPS - 56,700 DPM - Heat 66,660 DPM Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Tjarish Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.02.16 23:01:00 - [566] - Quote I have been out of eve for a long time, but when I left the ship of choice for blitzing Incursions was the Legion. I think this was for assault sights, but I cant really remember. Are there still groups that run this sort of fleet? If not what is the best way to go and are there any good groups to join up with? I can fly everything sub cap near maxed out. I dont mind spending the isk getting a pimp ship if it means I can get fleets often. Thanks
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 941	Posted - 2014.02.17 02:38:00 - [567] - Quote Tjarish wrote: I have been out of eve for a long time, but when I left the ship of choice for blitzing Incursions was the Legion. I think this was for assault sights, but I cant really remember. Are there still groups that run this sort of fleet? If not what is the best way to go and are there any good groups to join up with? I can fly everything sub cap near maxed out. I dont mind spending the isk getting a pimp ship if it means I can get fleets often. Thanks I listed the communities that I am aware of in the OP, many of them have webpages designed to let you know what they will expect you ship to be fitted like and what hours they run. For the ones without a webpage their public channel MOTD is usually a good place to find relevant information, and failing that a couple questions posted in their chat will usually get you a good idea of what they need you to bring. I think TDF still run Legion's but you would have to check with them to be absolutely sure. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Washburn Interstellar Missions Interstellar Alliance Incorporated 0	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:13:00 - [568] - Quote Have only read half the thread so far, sorry if has been discussed before; Would a Vargur have a chance at getting into a fleet? If so, is Marauders V skill expected? So far I have not found much info about Vargur's and Incursions. Regards,
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 941	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:29:00 - [569] - Quote Washburn wrote: Have only read half the thread so far, sorry if has been discussed before; Would a Vargur have a chance at getting into a fleet? If so, is Marauders V skill expected? So far I have not found much info about Vargur's and Incursions. Regards, Bastion Module doesn't work for Incursions, but I figure you knew that already (Just wanted future readers to be sure). Otherwise I have seen several players bring a Vargur and do quite well with them. The long training required is probably why you don't see a lot of them and the fact that the same amount of training in a Pirate Hull nets you more DPS albeit less tank is probably why they are such a Niche Ship. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
PopplerRo 13	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:22:00 - [570] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: Washburn wrote: blah blah blah Bastion Module doesn't work for Incursions, but I figure you knew that already (Just wanted future readers to be sure). Otherwise I have seen several players bring a Vargur and do quite well with them. The long training required is probably why you don't see a lot of them and the fact that the same amount of training in a Pirate Hull nets you more DPS albeit less tank is probably why they are such a Niche Ship. Bastion marauders work fine for incursions (mainly vgs & assaults), but they have much higher skill requirements than a pirate BS equivalent and less paper dps. Using bastion also means having to sacrifice damage+application modules in favor of active tanking modules but you can avoid bringing logistics then in favor of more dps ships. Many groups don't use bastion setups due to unfamiliarity with them and they may feel bad for all the logi pilots that would become redundant as a result.



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