I've got two questions, firstly would a micro jump drive be of any use in an incursion ?

Secondly would a mainly T2 fit and a couple of faction mods rattlesnake with 80% omni resist, 167k EHP and between 887 and 1080 dps with fury cruise missles and sentry II drones be welcome in most fleets ???

The main problem with the Rattlesnake is that for incursions there is no good reason to pick it over a DNI, except possibly to pair it up with a sole Basilisk (rest Scimitars) for energy transfer.

Thanks for the helpful info.

Quick question, If using a Navy Mega or Vindi would they be blaster or rail fit or does that change depending on the specifics of the site?

I've got two questions, firstly would a micro jump drive be of any use in an incursion ?

Secondly would a mainly T2 fit and a couple of faction mods rattlesnake with 80% omni resist, 167k EHP and between 887 and 1080 dps with fury cruise missles and sentry II drones be welcome in most fleets ???

We do Snake fleets, Spider tanking awesomeness, no logi needed. Just a fleet of uber snakes and 2 DDDs(Loki with 3 webs prefered). Anyone interest , you will find us in Allied Incursions Public channel :)

So what's ballpark isk per hour on incursions, and how long does it take to complete sites, and how long are you generally expected to stick around once you get in a fleet?

I'll be flying a snake soon but i dont have the spider tanking skills, so could you please post a fit so i know what i need to train up ?

So when I land in the Incursion constellation should I go to the system in the journal to find a fleet? or should I stop before I get to the constellation. I guess what I am asking is, who protects me from the rats once I get there but before I get into fleet.

Hi there,

thank you goldiiee for this thread, I've been wanting to do incursions since they were created, and recently I've decided to try them... with no luck at the moment

I'm flying an armor Mega Navy, following TDF's fitting doctrines, and though I've not yet T2 guns (until this weekend), I think i've a pretty solid fit, and some people in TDF's channel told me so.

The problem I see coming is that I'm not a native english-speaker (I'm spanish), I can read and write english, but my speak/hearing experience is very poor, does that mean that I won't be able to understand FC? is that really important?

I'm sure I'll do my best to grow and improve in any fleet that would accept me, but I don't want to be "the noob" that gets kicked off the fleet just for not understanding spoken english

I am unaware of any Spanish speaking fleet, thatGÇÖs not to say they donGÇÖt exist; I just donGÇÖt know where to send you for that. Personally my Spanish is so bad I would be afraid to try and translate important commands.

Most fleet functions can be done through following tags (assigned targets decided by the FC) and Broadcasts; align to, warp to, request for shield/Armour and capacitor. Still, a limited understanding of English is very important for your safety.

I fly with a pretty diverse community but they do communicate on comms in English but I will ask how many of our members can speak Spanish; I am hoping that someone can help with your need for a Spanish speaking or at least a translating FC.

Your English Writing skills are very good from reading your post, much better than my Spanish is.

Thanks a lot for your quick reply!

First of all, I'd like to try in english speaking fleets, as I think I've lost use of english language, and I think I'll get used to it quickly. I tried to look for spanish-speaking fleets and it was impossible some months ago, even I tried to FC spanish people, but as they disbanded, seemed impossible to form even a small fleet.

I'll keep trying to get a place inside armor fleets, I think it's a matter of time (and luck), and whenever I get confortable with my language skills, and get the money for a Vindicator, I'll make a move, learn how to FC and use a good Logistic ship. Maybe with time I'll find spanish-speaking people, but english won't hurt me either :)

Would you recommend me any entry-friendly armor fleet in particular? I'll stick to TDF's channel meanwhile.

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I would say get a message to DarthNefarius, he will have the best answers concerning Armour fleets and what he can do for you.

I don't mind changing my tank, as far as I can use my future Vindicator ;)

what about rigs?

I'm sorry, rigs + tank, I mean :)

What I wanted to say is that what I really want is run incursions, and I don't mind to change my fittings, as far as all training invested in my career is not wasted, I could fly a T2 / Faction Machariel too, but I prefer the slim and elegant lines of the Megathron/MNI/Vindicator Hull :)

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Sorry I was called away for work so it took awhile to get back to your message, Shield and Armour use rigs for tank reinforcement, so you would need a different rigs depending on what community you fly with. But yes I am sure DarthNefarius, myself or for that matter any incursions runner I know would be more than happy to help you get the fit right and ready.

Are there any fleets that I can join right now?

I'm heading to the incursion in noli right now.

I guess I'm blind. What are the chat channel names for these groups?

Is there any starter to advanced armor fleets?

Ive done like 4 incursion sites with mixed results (bad FC, bad fleet makeup) all right after they were introduced. Would like to get back into them, but having issues figuring out how an armor tanker breaks in.

I have BS L5 and T2 torps, Is their no possible way to make a fleet issue typhoon work for incurison?. I'd like to put those skills to some use but they seem have very little place in eve anymore.

Um, I have never seen a torp boat in an Incursions fleet. So I feel somewhat out of my depth as i also don't fly one. Cursory fittings (EVEHQ Fitting tool) tells me they have a rather limited range.

Considering most fleet doctrines are trying to kill everything from spawn (60km to 140km) before it gets into orbiting range, and then leave it to the autocannos, blasterboats, and drone swarm when it get to close to hit, so I donGÇÖt know where your Torps would be better than existing doctrines . Also the common complaint I hear about launchers VS. Turrets are the travel time delay inherent in launcher weapon systems, this causes a loss of applied DPS, especially in contested sites.

Unfortunately thatGÇÖs all I can tell you, I will ask around and see if anyone has thought of a use for Torps and post back here if I find something.

The only thing i thought ''could'' be usefull was as a dedicated BS spanker. My phoon for example with heavy drones (do heavy drones get bad agro, or to slow?) puts out around 1400 dps. With the launcher rigs and T2 torps it can just reach 20km with missile L4 for range skills. That's very limited and the buffer also suffers.. Maybe Tp's can make it osmewhat usefull on the cruisers too.. but i guess it would only put out 1/4 the dps on them? if that.

I guess i answer my own questions ;[.. hope they hurry up and fix the typhoon as i miss using it.

Anyone uses tengus in incursions these days? Or are they pretty much obsolete?

Hi Goldiiee,

do you know if any of the Incursion groups run in the Australian Time Zone?

Regards

Krail

As a lower skilled character but meeting the minimum requirements with resistances all t2 except for guns....what are the chances of getting into noob incursions? Should I specialize as something like a sniper? Also do most incursions not pick anything other than BS, SC, and logi? Could someone get picked up in a BC with a decent fit?

I only ask because it seems like people do consider these.

So what is the standard procedure for going about joining an incursion. Go to the system...post your fit and wait for someone to accept you or wait for an FC to send you a message?

Right before and after DT the picking are slim for FC's and Pilots, but I do see TDF (armor) ICU, ISN and DKY (shield) saking for pilots. So I would assume that they have light members at those times and are trolling for members to fill their fleets.

Hope that helps.

Rokh is welcome in Incursions fleets?

Been looking at getting into Incursions and have almost finished training down two separate ship lines, so wanted to get some advice.

Shield fleets seem to be the most popular, if your list is any indication, but I've seen a lot of traditionally-armor-tanked ships run perfectly fine shield buffer fits for Incursions. So my question is: Would I have better luck getting into a fleet with a Maelstrom, or a Megathron, assuming both were T2 fit?

(On another note, ACs or Artis on the Maelstrom?)

Evening. I have a character that I'm going to move into logistics for small gang work and I would like to get her doing some incursion logi if at all possible. I am currently leaning towards the Scimitar because I like the versatility and it just works better for the type of small gang stuff my friends and I will be doing. So my question is if there is a place for Scimi's in incursions? Or should I just go for a Basi if I want to run pve stuff?

Regards,

Scimitars are used just as much if not more than Basilisks. The lack of a needed cap buddy to keep them up and the benefit of tracking links without a 9km range makes them really popular in the Big Gun fleets that are prefered these days.

I dont know if you have it trained already but just in case anyone else wants to know a Logi pilot is usually required to have Logistic 5 trained to get accepted to most fleets.

Very good information in here.

I really hate that logi 5 is required to fly by most groups. This pilot has a very strong set of skills (in terms of shield skills I'm missing lvl 5 on a couple of the reinforcement damage types and that's it), can fly a basi or a scimi, can field tech 2 shield drones (not to mention countless other fitting skills). However, she is useless for another 20-some days while she trains logi 5. I have a second toon for incursions because this one has horrible gallente and minnie faction standing, and he will be ready for incursions 10 hours after this one, despite having half as many skill points. In general, he will not be as strong, but he will be able to match the fittings and have logi v (and oddly enough he will be able to fly a guardian as well as a basi and scimi).

Sorry for the mini-rant. I know the extra 15% cap use reduction is important, but having to train the support skill to 5 is murder. I imagine I could top off several other skills in that 20 day window.

Are there any fleets that are more lenient on the logi 5 requirement, assuming the pilot can field a strong ship otherwise? (don't even bother asking about fielding a dps ship, my SP are heavy into missiles with almost no hybrids or other guns)

Will I be able to do incursions in navy apoc if I don't have all t2 mods? I have t2 defense (reps/hardeners), but not offense.

Will I be able to do incursions in navy apoc if I don't have all t2 mods? I have t2 defense (reps/hardeners), but not offense.

Anyone uses tengus in incursions these days? Or are they pretty much obsolete?

Hi Goldiiee, thanks again for the great feedback you have been giving. Lots of good stuff here.

I have a question in rerdards to dps vs logi role? Which role would give a spot in an incursion fleet quicker as a newish player? LIke is the waiting list shorter for Logi pilots or is the wait just as long as it is for a dps role? I mean I am sure there are a lot of dps pilots waiting for a spot but are there just as many logi pilots waiting as well?

Traditionally support pilots are always needed and hard to come by because most people would rather dps than doing logi stuff.

My toon is fully skilled towards tengu, but to be more flexable and able to fly with different groups or at least with groups that dont take T3, I would either need to train for BS or go the logi route. Any advivce would be appreciate it. Thank you!


P. Blue

I really hate giving out this advice, because I could be really wrong. So instead I will give you the stats that apply to your question. An 'average' fleet brings 1 logistics for every 4 DPS give or take. So you would think that there is a surplus of underemployed Logistics pilots running around. But in reality I see more underemployed DPS pilots; this is probably due to the long training requirement for Logistics V. Whereas a DPS pilot can be somewhat effective without any specialized training to V.

So that would be how I see it. Still not very helpful I fear, so I will add that many of the logistics pilots I have know cross train into a DPS role, and vice versa DPS to Logistics. With both roles covered they tend to ask for fleet invites by simply putting GÇÿLogi/DPSGÇÖ up as their X for fleet invite.

With your skills already at V for Caldari cruisers your logistic skills are probably easier to attain than the currently preferred turret DPS. But Tengus are still used by many of the less specialized (restrictive) communities. So before I tell you to make a new training plan you should check with TVP (they have the broadest connections) and see if they know anywhere your Tengu would be welcome in fleet. I guess only one more thing to add, the most needed pilot in all of the incursion communities are FCGÇÖs, as they are always needed, and there is no training que for it, except time in fleet.

Will stop typing now I seem to be rambling, and dont feel like I help much at all.

I really hate giving out this advice, because I could be really wrong. So instead I will give you the stats that apply to your question. An 'average' fleet brings 1 logistics for every 4 DPS give or take. So you would think that there is a surplus of underemployed Logistics pilots running around. But in reality I see more underemployed DPS pilots; this is probably due to the long training requirement for Logistics V. Whereas a DPS pilot can be somewhat effective without any specialized training to V.

So that would be how I see it. Still not very helpful I fear, so I will add that many of the logistics pilots I have know cross train into a DPS role, and vice versa DPS to Logistics. With both roles covered they tend to ask for fleet invites by simply putting GÇÿLogi/DPSGÇÖ up as their X for fleet invite.

With your skills already at V for Caldari cruisers your logistic skills are probably easier to attain than the currently preferred turret DPS. But Tengus are still used by many of the less specialized (restrictive) communities. So before I tell you to make a new training plan you should check with TVP (they have the broadest connections) and see if they know anywhere your Tengu would be welcome in fleet. I guess only one more thing to add, the most needed pilot in all of the incursion communities are FCGÇÖs, as they are always needed, and there is no training que for it, except time in fleet.

Will stop typing now I seem to be rambling, and dont feel like I help much at all.

Are you able to recommend a FC maybe yourself that I could hook up with (in game) to get some FC advice/recommendations/direction?

I would be happy to give you a rundown of FC duties and some pointer on how to get heading in the right direction, next time your online look me up in ISN secondary, or open a private convo and I can get you on comms and answer any questions you have.

I had a few conversations yesterday about becoming an FC, and I realised that there wasnGÇÖt a lot of hard information on this, even though it is the most important role in fleet PVE so here are some thought on the matter.

Skills
First and foremost you will need wing command skills to 2 for a VG fleet, this will allow you to fleet warp and ditrubute bonuses to 2 squads, or 21 pilots (including yourself). Assault might be able to be run at Wing Command 2 but I wouldnGÇÖt advise it. Wing Command 4 is the minimum for running HQGÇÖs but just barely, similar to assaults with Wing Command 2, you can do it but there is no room for errors.

Ship
FC ship types have changed over time, originally a monster tank was the FC ship of choice (My first FC was sporting a 200k EHP tank), pretty much anything that could survive the first wave and keep the FC on the field, as the mechanics have been more closely observed groups have found a comfort zone some still use the huge anchor, others believe huge tanks are not as good as high resists and comfortable buffers. (I fall into the 70% resists and 14k buffer group). FCGÇÖing from a Logi boat is difficult at best, not being able to see the rats as they die makes it hard to judge how well the fleet is doing and make adjustments to improve. Not to mention a logi has enough important jobs to do, donGÇÖt add FCGÇÖing to the list it will only end in tears.

Forming Up
Depending on your fleets abilities you will have to decide whether your Fleets DPS will remove enough of the rats to keep the logistics from being overrun. And if your fleet comp is capable of dealing with unexpected situations (never know when that Logi's ISP will disconnect him to spite you). This is where a good understanding of ships, bonuses and all types of fittings comes in handy.
Knowing what a ships optimal and falloff ranges will be.
The appropriate DPS it should have.
The amount of shield/armour it has for a buffer.
The resists/buffer it should have with currently fitted modules.
The range and efficiency of a large variety of Webs.

Fleet Composition
A fleet full of 1400s will spend all day in a site and never kill the first wave if the rats get into orbit unless you have webs. A full fleet of blasters will kill everything quite efficiently but you will be tanking full room aggro for the entire time rats are getting in range. Missiles work at most ranges but a contesting fleet will make many of the volleys fly into nothing, and inexperienced pilots will waste weapon cycles on targets that are no longer there when the missile arrives.

Your Job
As the FC you will be responsible for deciding if a volunteersGÇÖ ship will be a benefit or liability, and if the pilot will be helpful, disruptive or for that matter a greifer (Yes new news, some people get in fleets just to watch, and sometimes help, Incursion Bears lose ships) Being able to communicate exactly what you need and how you need it done will save time and assets. Voice comms are essential to making this work, and a microphone shy FC will worry a fleet of seasoned pilots, conversely a screaming FC will annoy good pilots and prove their incompetence by blaming other for their failures. If you make a mistake, own it, and donGÇÖt make the same mistake again.

Another FCGÇÖs job has to do with fluidity, having the next step planned and ready to execute will keep pilots happy and involved, things like knowing where the fleet needs to go next, giving the command to align early and often, reminding the fleet to grab their drones, reload their ammo, follow tags, and all the while watching to make sure nobody is dying or asleep at the keyboard. It is a multitasking nightmare some days, and as easy as breathing the next day.

Manage your assets and time; nothing will break a fleet up faster than a 30 minute acceleration gate break after every site. Pick a time for a break and let everyone in fleet know. Ask pilots leaving fleet to let you know as early as possible, donGÇÖt guilt them into staying. Keep the replacement pilots advised of when they will be active. You will find that people leaving fleet will look for you to FC for them more often if you are flexible and considerate.

Well I am sure there is more to add, but this should be a good start.

TDF :) Unabashed TDF promo pic :D

Shields
1. Vindi
2. Nightmare
3. Machariel

In the original post could you fix the typo in The Ditanian Fleet channel name, thanks!

Just a little question about this. Aside from Logistics 5, is it mandatory to have Shield Emission and Energy Emission skills at 5 as well, or will a T2 fit (and thus the skills at 4) suffice?

Desperate bump, couldn't think of anything to write about other than the tedium of waiting for a new high sec spawn.

Safe flying for those in need, and much Pew Pew for the rest.

while you wait Goldiiee, what are good clearing times for VG/AS/HQ?

Are Machs only wanted as 1400mm snipers? I recently trained into one (first turret boat, I've been a missile pilot for some time) and have run a couple incursions with 800mm AC and 1400mm Arty fits, and I greatly preferred the AC fit. But all of the incursion channels I've found that list fits only include Arty fits for Machs. If I want to stay with short range dps turrets do I need to work towards a Vindicator instead? I only have Large Projectile Turrets to 3 so it would be quick to train large hybrids up to my current projectile skill level.

Before I begin, if I'm going to bump a recruitment thread, I would at least like to point out what a ridiculous notion it is that this is "not a recruitment thread"

Sorry you feel that way.

I am also sorry GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ feel he was judged harshly, as I field and respond to easily over 100 fits a day, I have had to boot quite a few people from the ISN channel for not be willing to fit as expected, but willing to argue the point, ad infinitum, that the requirements are unnecessary.

So first as GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ pointed out that the fit can be stable with Implants I will agree it can, but seems improbable that someone would spend a well over 3 times the cost of T2 rigs for a set of implants, while not being willing to invest the same into a ship.

Secondly as logistics are responsible for keeping a fleet alive, and in ISNGÇÖs case that means over 100billion ISK for a VG fleet, I would not feel confident letting in a pilot not willing to invest in the best possible fit to ensure the other guys safety and performance.

Third even if GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ had the Implants there is no way to confirm that, but to give GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ the benefit of the doubt I copied the fit into EVE-HQ and then set up the implants on a maxed skilled clone. Getting 7 minutes and change as the cap time, this is more than enough cap to keep a VG fleet alive as the site only lasts 6 minutes, but it is still a matter of taking GÇÿProspective Logi PilotsGÇÖ word for it with no proof.

Forth GÇÿIncursion SHINY NetworkGÇÖ

And finally, I set the ban for 12 hours, but I will remedy that now.

Over the last 4 days I have had the unfortunate job of booting one pilot from fleet for fielding a ship that was not fit even remotely like the one he posted, and two logistics pilots that had wh0re guns in a high slot, and last but not least one pilot that was a scout for a hilarious disco ball Gank attempt on TVP a week ago. As well as 15 other pilots for various reasons.

With so many maxed ships in a fleet letting in one DPS that is substandard is a marginal change, whereas letting in a 4 link Scimi whose responsibility is to provide tracking bonuses to 4 DPS and safety to an entire fleet, all for an investment of less than one tenth of a DPS ship, should be self evident. So it shouldnGÇÖt be too much to ask that logistics be given the same attention to GÇÿmaxingGÇÖ as the DPS ships.

So once again I am sorry if GÇÿProspective Logi Pilot GÇÿfeels like he was judged harshly, and I hope GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ found a home less shiny and more in tune with his temperament.

I am also sorry GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ feel he was judged harshly, as I field and respond to easily over 100 fits a day, I have had to boot quite a few people from the ISN channel for not be willing to fit as expected, but willing to argue the point, ad infinitum, that the requirements are unnecessary.

So first as GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ pointed out that the fit can be stable with Implants I will agree it can, but seems improbable that someone would spend a well over 3 times the cost of T2 rigs for a set of implants, while not being willing to invest the same into a ship.

Secondly as logistics are responsible for keeping a fleet alive, and in ISNGÇÖs case that means over 100billion ISK for a VG fleet, I would not feel confident letting in a pilot not willing to invest in the best possible fit to ensure the other guys safety and performance.

Third even if GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ had the Implants there is no way to confirm that, but to give GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ the benefit of the doubt I copied the fit into EVE-HQ and then set up the implants on a maxed skilled clone. Getting 7 minutes and change as the cap time, this is more than enough cap to keep a VG fleet alive as the site only lasts 6 minutes, but it is still a matter of taking GÇÿProspective Logi PilotsGÇÖ word for it with no proof.

Forth GÇÿIncursion SHINY NetworkGÇÖ

And finally, I set the ban for 12 hours, but I will remedy that now.

(bunch of stuff about ISN snafus having nothing to do with the banned pilot snipped)

- How often are members of the non-super-fancypants groups losing ships? (I'm poor)

- Is it always '1 billion + faction ships / Marauders or GTFO'? Is an Apocalypse Navy Issue suitable for incursions?

-Do people actually have fun doing these things or is it all 'rah rah ISK/hour' stress time?

So I wanted to try Incursions sometime because they sound like a lot of fun.... but this thread makes my head hurt. I had been away from Eve for 4 years and there were no incursions back then.

A few questions:

- Are there any new player friendly armor tanking groups? You mention Eve Uni, do they run incursions for members only or have some sort of public classes?

- How often are members of the non-super-fancypants groups losing ships? (I'm poor)

- Is it always '1 billion + faction ships / Marauders or GTFO'? Is an Apocalypse Navy Issue suitable for incursions?

-Do people actually have fun doing these things or is it all 'rah rah ISK/hour' stress time?

I'm gonna be totally honest here and say that reading through this thread is giving me all kinds of 'gearscore / DPS meter / PUG' flashbacks from that other game.

shortened for expiedience

Actually I lifted the MUTE, and I had no intention of perma banning him.

I take it you don't like them, or me, but for some reason you do watch ISN's chat channel?

[ I fly with ISN often which is why I am in the channel. Most of the pilots are awesome. Some of their leadership are capable of making mistakes though, even if not capable of admitting that.

#30 Posted: 2013.02.25 15:05 | Report | Edited by: 7'62 SKS
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So far my favorite parts of this delicious ISN tear-fest are:

#5 ISN complaining that DIN does not "contest in a 'fair' way". So... much... irony.

#4 ISN complaining that DIN has to "cheat to win" by "blobbing". Funny because carebears using a common a PVP tears term to cry about PVE is loltastic.

#3 Goldiee falling back on his stale "up your meds or reduce them whatever works" insult that he always uses.

#2 ISN baffled that anyone would use a contest tactic that fails to maximize ISK return. Only carebears would fail to see the value in spending time for pure tears profit instead of ISK.

But the best part of all remains...

#1 ISN starting this thread in the first place to provide all of these wonderful shiny tears.

Seems legit mr. DIN troll. Now seriously go start that own recruitment thread and keep your trolling there :P

Why not discuss it with each other in game or though mail rather than ranting on a forum thread which deals with how to fly incursions, not grievances you may/may not have experienced.

If you look at the 7'62 SKS' post history it's an obvious DIN troll/ war dec alt, so i wouldn't be too worried about anyone getting hurt over that conversation, of which half was left out anyway according to my chat logs.

Tbh it doesn't matter who started this thread or why you believe this was started (you obviously believe it does for whatever possible agenda you have) .

So the reason the first four words of this thread are, "Not a recruitment thread," is because only someone with an agenda could possibly infer that it is a recruitment thread? I'm sure all of goldiiee's threads start exactly the same way.

Yeah, call it what you want, just don't ask me to pretend along with you. Have a beer. Don't worry about being underage, I've put a "not a beer" sticker on the can for ya.

EDIT: By the way, do you really think it was a coincidence that this thread was started by goldiiee right after kadavor's recruitment thread was moved from Missions and Complexes to recruitment (and unstickied) after a long argument over that move? Read page 6 of their recruitment thread for some enlightenment. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171730&p=6 Yes, ISN actually DID rant and rave about how unfair it was to move their recruitment thread to recruitment. Then they started THIS thread. The "not a recruitment" thread.

With the upmost respect, if you removed your obvious anti-ISN goggles...

how are legions compared to all the shiny armor bs?

they don't show the big dps numbers in eft, but shouldn't they apply their damage much better to the smaller targets in vanguards?

Some vanguard groups missing from the list:
Union 0f Revolution Incursions (channel: U.o.R Inca)
State War Academy Incursions (channel: SWA Incursions)
Hunter's Brotherhood (channel: Hunter's Brotherhood)

First of all, thanks for making and maintaining thread, it is very informative.

Secondly, I have a question you can hopefully answer. Would I be able to find fleets wanting to take me in a T3 BC, even if it's just running Vanguards? Specifically, I have a T2 tanked, meta 4 gunned blaster Naga which I would be interested in getting into incursions with while I work my way up to a Rokh.

Just a quick suggestion: split the communities in the first post in shields and armor and then in training, training/advanced and advanced. It might make looking for communities a bit easier ;)

SWA Incursions and U.o.R Inca are both training groups and are working together.

how are legions compared to all the shiny armor bs?

they don't show the big dps numbers in eft, but shouldn't they apply their damage much better to the smaller targets in vanguards?

Also, the Warp To Me Public Channel is Warp To Me Incursions. If you are doing the community classification, WTM is a relaxed shield community that runs all levels of sites. Thank you in advance for the (assumed) prompt update.

I thought that was a typo in the mail. Corrected in OP thanks for the Edits.

Hi there,
[Tengu, Incursion]

*fit trimmed*
with my current skills this would run at 16,4k shield-hp (raw) with resists of 80,5/86/85,6/85,9. dps out of pyfa with scourge fury 558 @ 57 km.
i could switch to HAMs for 744 DPS with scourge rage @ 20 km.

any improvements etc are welcome. the big goal atm is to fly a nightmare, though a rokh with t2 rails is a lot closer.

thanks

Roshi

Been absent from the game awhile... Whats the current FOTM ships for Incursions?

Armour or Shield?

Well, which one is more popular?

Darvaleth Sigma
Tengus and Loki's used to be used alot, and I believe many communities still use Loki as 'drone commanders', but the overwhelming portion of ships accepted in fleet are Battleships. With a large buffer they tend to be forgiving of late broadcasts and poor tank. But all that being said check with TVP and ICU, last I heard they still had a doctrine that utilized T3's.

Being able to listen on comms is of course the priority, but being able to confirm commands or scream your head off when you suddenly find your self in armor (Shield Fleet) is in your best interest.

Comms will be fairly quiet durring key moments; warp in, new spawns, and heavy alphas, but there is also time between sites and durring routine waves that the floor is open to light discussions, or heated debate. :)

Main reason is the mentality that armour using lows slot for tank compromise slots for dps modules, however in practice the only substantial difference is that shield reps come at start of cycle and armour reps at the end of cycle, allowing shield to use lighter tanks as less buffer is required

The OP forgot to mention that most incursion participants have shiny ships and are noob-unfriendly. If you are new to Eve and not yet flying a Battleship with T2 weapons, don't waste your time.

The OP forgot to mention that most incursion participants have shiny ships and are noob-unfriendly. If you are new to Eve and not yet flying a Battleship with T2 weapons, don't waste your time.

Todath Narod, I try to inform on Incursions as much as possible, but a lot of the posts get buried in here and it can be difficult to read 8 pages of possibly unrelated topics. (edit)

If you bothered to even read the OP's post,

What is the difference between the effect of a pilot who has the skills for T2 equipment and ammo and one who has the skills for Meta 3/4 equipment? Again, marginal.

What is the real difference between the strict exclusionary incursion fleets and the inclusive incursion fleets? Much. Attitude / Sociability. The general difference between the two basic categories of human beings : those who have a general regard for others, and those who don't.

Thanks for your reply. I understand why some fleets are strict from a few standpoints. The fact, however, that some fleets are more inclusive points up to the possibility that this strictness is based on collecting ISK and LP time-efficiently. The strict fleets *could* include a few less perfectly equipped pilots - they just dont want to spend the extra 30 seconds that person adds to the time it takes for the fleet to complete the swarms.

What is the real difference between a Meta 4 weapon and T2 weapon? Not much.

What is the difference between the 55-70% resists you get with Meta 3 and 4 modules and the T2 modules? Not much.
What is the difference between DPS with T2 ammo and Faction ammo? a few percentage points = not much.

What is the difference between the effect of a pilot who has the skills for T2 equipment and ammo and one who has the skills for Meta 3/4 equipment? Again, marginal.
All these differences add up I suppose, but that's where leadership, if it is real leadership, makes up the difference.

What is the real difference between the strict exclusionary incursion fleets and the inclusive incursion fleets? Much. Attitude / Sociability. The general difference between the two basic categories of human beings : those who have a general regard for others, and those who don't.

It is understood that incursions are difficult and the risks are great (in some cases you cant warp out if the swarm is starting to blow ships up). But for high-sec space Vanguard level missions, the general attitude of exclusive incursion fleets cannot be based on some sort of technical necessity. Imo, and I am 3 months old and not know what I'm talking about = but I can do level 4 security missions alone without much problem. Can't see how my inclusion in a good fleet is really that big of a problem for others. If I don't contribute sufficiently, then don't include me in the next mission. And I'm speaking in the interest of the rest of the Eve Community that encounters these exclusivity attitudes and gets turned off by them.

The biggest challenge for getting a noob fleet rolling is simply finding enough pilots, including 2-3 trusted logi and someone who knows what they're doing. I really wish CCP would make scout sites harder and more rewarding, but still require less pilots than VGs. It would give newer players more room to enjoy incursions in say - fleets of 5 BCs with 1 logi or something. Right now they are pointless.

This one is actually big. Most weapon spec gives 5% dmg/level and meta 4 weapons usually only need the skill at rank 1 to be used while T2 require rank V + another bonus in the for of the specialisation skill needed to at least rank I. That add up to quite a lot of DPS.

I think this is the one thing that pisses me off more than anything : CCP put these relatively easy scout site missions in the incursion mix - they are interesting but there is virtually NO reward of any kind, not even a decent drop. My corpo partner and I did a scout site the other day (my first, his first without getting killed) and we were both surprised to find that the 3 waves of Sansha dropped absolutely nothing. The 50K ISK is a joke, as are the 50 LP - even the security status gain is much *much* less than one would expect given the effort (usually less than a few normal hisec belt waves). Then, as if to twist the knout on new players, they made the jump from working this kind of site to the very next level up from that about a 4 month training period. They shouldn't have even included scout sites in the model, or made a few more gradations so that people - like me - could participate without having to train out a 4 month "dead zone".

...I believe many communities still use Loki as 'drone commanders'...

Hey guys,

I recently reactivated my account. I'm interested in doing incursions (VG). Last time I did them I was 'advertising' my ship in BTL_Pub and that's how I got invited to fleets. Back then I was flying a Mach but I sold it. Right now I have about 450m with some more ISK coming in when I sell some stuff I have laying around, after which I'll have about 600-700m.
With this amount of ISK I won't be able to buy any Mach or NM, so I think a CS would be my best bet (I remember Sleipnir fleets being very effective in the sites that spawned a lot of frigs), but maybe there are other ships that are popular right now?

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Bananap0wn
These are my skills. I'm able to fly any CS with t2 guns and I can also use T2 large lasers and T2 large projectiles.

What do you guys think would the best ship I could fly with my budget and my skills - which ship would get me in a good fleet? (I'd rather not invest in any more logi skills)

Jacques-Benigne; When done correctly your drones will attack the last rat the drone commander targets with either guns or web (Might work with Target Painters too, IDK)

If you are assigning your drones to assist and they are not doing anything it could be one of two things, 1. The drone commander is afk and not shooting at anything. Or, 2. The target he is shooting at is out of range of your drones (or your skills for your drones).

When you assign your drones to assist the drone commander (also called GÇÿDrone BunnyGÇÖ) he should be able to direct them to kill targets like frigs and whatnot, ideally he takes out anything the FCGÇÖs doesnGÇÖt usually tag. A properly fit Loki can have 40+km webs, this makes it ideal for slowing and killing fast moving frigs as well as assisting the fleet in killing RomiGÇÖs (A fast moving cruiser that uses a kiting technique to harass fleets). The addition of 5 drones per DPS fleet member, and 30 DPS ships for an HQ fleets, means 150 drones at his command. Assuming 100dps per set of drones this ship commands 15,000 DPS, it is easily the highest DPS ship in a fleet.

Additionally an FC, or anyone for that matter, can assign their drones to assist a fleet member, if the drone(s) go and orbit the member but show idle in the drone HUD it lets you know that member is not firing. (good way to find Leechers)

I would invest in a strong Maelstrom, they are cheap and easy to fit up with your skills for both 800mm and 1400mm. A CS will cost you about as much as a Maelstrom and with it's limited range it won't be first pick for most FC's. With a week of running with any of the incursion groups you should have more than enough to rebuy a Mach.

Edited for brevity

TVP is the best bet for a newer player. But it is also not impossible for newish players to get together and run sites on their own, outside of the main communities. I've helped get fleets together with two different corps, the only requirement being T2 shield mods on all ships, and logi 4 for the Basilisks. One of the fleets had Drakes and Navy Omens in them, ships even TVP won't accept. Its not ISK efficient but it is kind of fun. Any contested site will be lost of course, and depending on time of day and # of incursions in hisec, it may be hard to get many sites to yourself. So incursions can be rather noob-unfriendly, yes. CCP designed them to be competitive.

What is the difference between the 55-70% resists you get with Meta 3 and 4 modules and the T2 modules? Not much.

What is the difference between DPS with T2 ammo and Faction ammo? a few percentage points = not much.

Are Vanguard sites too dangerous to run solo? Like a AC Loki?

Are Vanguard sites too dangerous to run solo? Like a AC Loki?

Also note that the Sansha rats will warp scram you. So unless you can align fast and GTFO, it will be a one ship enter - one pod leave scenario.

Well I just read all 10 pages :/

Just re-activated my account so thinking of giving Incursions a go. I tried it back in my old corp occasionally but think I'll concentrate on them a bit more this time round. I trained mainly Amarr and armour but have some shield skills as well, just don't have the right ships for shield tanking. I can be in a Paladin pretty quickly, just need to train Marauders.

What would be a good shield tank ship to aim for with my current skills? I'm assuming my worst problem is going to be training the guns after training whatever BS you suggest. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tzarlena

EDIT: Nvm, think I've answered my own question. Nightmare it is then.

From a cursory look at your skills I would say the Nightmare is the best ship you can get in on short notice, for shields. But for armour you will need nothing but some advice from the armour groups. I forwarded you post to DarthNefarius He should get back to you pretty quick with suggestions for getting into an Armour fleet pretty quick.

I wonder about minimal amount of ships to run these sites (not solo, but next tier ones) :
- for example: 3 rr tengus or 5 rr tengus or 5 rr navy scorpions
- would be unprofitable due to mechanics I guess, but might be interesting exercise in futility :)

Well I just read all 10 pages :/

Just re-activated my account so thinking of giving Incursions a go. I tried it back in my old corp occasionally but think I'll concentrate on them a bit more this time round. I trained mainly Amarr and armour but have some shield skills as well, just don't have the right ships for shield tanking. I can be in a Paladin pretty quickly, just need to train Marauders.

What would be a good shield tank ship to aim for with my current skills? I'm assuming my worst problem is going to be training the guns after training whatever BS you suggest. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tzarlena

EDIT: Nvm, think I've answered my own question. Nightmare it is then.

I'm experienced wh(c5/c6)/null sec player. Incursions and militia are the only things, that I haven't done in EVE before. If I would like to try fight with those invaders, should I start with "normal" or some "advanced" fleets?


Which groups are truly active, in early EU TZ (UTC +2) ?

Reading this thread, I get the impression lasers are rather useless for incursions. I guess I picked the wrong race of ships and weapons to skill up as a new player.

Reading this thread, I get the impression lasers are rather useless for incursions. I guess I picked the wrong race of ships and weapons to skill up as a new player.

Nightmare, navy geddon, bhaalgorn are great choices. Lasers are great due to scorch

I'm looking to make one of my characters a dedicated Incursion runner.

What is more likely to get into shield fleets faster? Vindicator or Scimi. Both assuming maxed skills.

hey guys,
for some reason i cannot get into "The Valhalla Project" channel. it says its not open to public or i may have been banned.
there is literally no reason i can think of i should be banned. i went in 3 fleets with them a year ago which went smoothly with no hassles and then havent spoken to them since. can anyone shed some light?

I'm looking to make one of my characters a dedicated Incursion runner.

What is more likely to get into shield fleets faster? Vindicator or Scimi. Both assuming maxed skills.