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Shalom Futzgorp	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:22:00 - [31] Edited by: Shalom Futzgorp on 03/08/2005 15:22:59 So the guy had a faction ship and a passkey? Lock target + F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 = one moron - one faction ship + your chance to loot the key off his wreckage. And you'd have given the guy a reason to farm some more, seeing how much he liked doing just that. Come on, Hanns, it's not like you ever had trouble doing that kind of thing before
Shalom Futzgorp	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:22:00 - [32] Edited by: Shalom Futzgorp on 03/08/2005 15:22:59 So the guy had a faction ship and a passkey? Lock target + F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 = one moron - one faction ship + your chance to loot the key off his wreckage. And you'd have given the guy a reason to farm some more, seeing how much he liked doing just that. Come on, Hanns, it's not like you ever had trouble doing that kind of thing before
capt	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Hanns all i want is a vigilant Don't want to burst any bubbles, but actually they kinda suck.
capt	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Hanns all i want is a vigilant Don't want to burst any bubbles, but actually they kinda suck.
Tai'Kimoto	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:51:00 - [35] yeah, the stats on them look better than the thorax at first, but then you compare drone space . still might be fun to mess around in while training for a hac, but it isnt exactly a throw away ship like a thorax.
Tai'Kimoto Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:51:00 - [36] yeah, the stats on them look better than the thorax at first, but then you compare drone space . still might be fun to mess around in while training for a hac, but it isnt exactly a throw away ship like a thorax.
Oosel	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:53:00 - [37] while i agree its lame that people farm them you have to understand for some people its how they play the game and enjoy it.....some call it grinding but for freelancers who dont want to be corp or alliance tied or dont want pvp then im not going to take their enjoyment of the game away from them............not everyone in eve wants to be a killer or for that matter interact with loads of people i c lots of players who quite happily play in eve just like its a single player game but thats the beauty of eve you can do anything you want
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:53:00 - [38] while i agree its lame that people farm them you have to understand for some people its how they play the game and enjoy it.....some call it grinding but for freelancers who dont want to be corp or alliance tied or dont want pvp then im not going to take their enjoyment of the game away from them............not everyone in eve wants to be a killer or for that matter interact with loads of people i c lots of players who quite happily play in eve just like its a single player game but thats the beauty of eve you can do anything you want
Wulfgard	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:59:00 - [39] CCP needs to setup a system to prevent this sort of farming-exploiting. Complexes are a great way to get some pve fun for a casual gamer, it shouldnt be nerf. Put a 7 days timer if you get the bpc drop and move these complexes to .4 and lower so we get a chance at shooting the farmers
Wulfgard Minmatar Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.03 15:59:00 - [40] CCP needs to setup a system to prevent this sort of farming-exploiting. Complexes are a great way to get some pve fun for a casual gamer, it shouldnt be nerf. Put a 7 days timer if you get the bpc drop and move these complexes to .4 and lower so we get a chance at shooting the farmers

Kakita Jalaan	Posted - 2005.08.03 16:00:00 - [41] I proposed instanced complexes in the idea forum and got shot down immediately... and I don't think it's going to happen either. It's just dumb that there's new game content and you can't use it because the respawn timers are too high. Well, if they weren't it would be rather hard to do, and easily farmable with sufficient firepower. What about just adding more complexes, then the people interested in doing them have a tad higher chance to find one that's not been emptied in the last 2 hours (cause that seems to be the respawn time for bossmobs, roughly)? ______________
Kakita Jalaan Viriette Commerce and Holding	Posted - 2005.08.03 16:00:00 - [42] I proposed instanced complexes in the idea forum and got shot down immediately... and I don't think it's going to happen either. It's just dumb that there's new game content and you can't use it because the respawn timers are too high. Well, if they weren't it would be rather hard to do, and easily farmable with sufficient firepower. What about just adding more complexes, then the people interested in doing them have a tad higher chance to find one that's not been emptied in the last 2 hours (cause that seems to be the respawn time for bossmobs, roughly)? ______________ Join the Family
Tai'Kimoto	Posted - 2005.08.03 16:05:00 - [43] actually, in the serpentis 3/10 the headmaster spawned 3 times in one hour yesterday, so I think its random to tell you the truth. The chief serpentis on the 2nd level does seem to spawn every 30minutes to an hour though, and he dropped a vigilant bpc for me yesterday also which was kinda weird, since I thought only the headmaster dropped them.
Tai'Kimoto Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2005.08.03 16:05:00 - [44] actually, in the serpentis 3/10 the headmaster spawned 3 times in one hour yesterday, so I think its random to tell you the truth. The chief serpentis on the 2nd level does seem to spawn every 30minutes to an hour though, and he dropped a vigilant bpc for me yesterday also which was kinda weird, since I thought only the headmaster dropped them.
Shai 'Hulud	Posted - 2005.08.03 20:49:00 - [45] Originally by: Kakita Jalaan I proposed instanced complexes in the idea forum and got shot down immediately... and I don't think it's going to happen either. This is not my original idea, but what they need to do to fix this camping is to change the way complexes "respawn." Rather than having these complexes be a static structure that sits in the same system forever, respawning the ships and structures in it at apparantly random intervals, we need to have the complexes themselves spawn at random. Once the Overseer structure of a complex is taken down, the complex itself should begin to despawn. Then, after a period of time, that complex should respawn in a different system.
Shai 'Hulud Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2005.08.03 20:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Kakita Jalaan I proposed instanced complexes in the idea forum and got shot down immediately... and I don't think it's going to happen either. This is not my original idea, but what they need to do to fix this camping is to change the way complexes "respawn." Rather than having these complexes be a static structure that sits in the same system forever, respawning the ships and structures in it at apparantly random intervals, we need to have the complexes themselves spawn at random. Once the Overseer structure of a complex is taken down, the complex itself should begin to despawn. Then, after a period of time, that complex should respawn in a different system.
Wraeththu	Posted - 2005.08.03 22:52:00 - [47] Originally by: ElCoCo I come back a couple of weeks ago, things look even worse now. I mean compared to the "old days" with just 4-5k ppl online, 0.0 space has less ppl in it now How could you tell though? You can't just look at the map anymore, the "pilots in space" was changed to "average pilots for the past 30 minutes" which is to say, it's almost always empty. YOu can fly a 100 ship blob from Tenal to Curse, and you likely wouldn't ever see any of those people show up on the map. I don't disagree with Hanns here (I personally wish they'd put in some timer for how often you could score certain loot, to spread the wealth some), but I don't see this making a huge dent in player populus. In fact, I think it's the reverse, where a FEW people make a huge dent on the complex viability, by camping and tying up a few 23/7.
Wraeththu Brutor tribe	Posted - 2005.08.03 22:52:00 - [48] Originally by: ElCoCo I come back a couple of weeks ago, things look even worse now. I mean compared to the "old days" with just 4-5k ppl online, 0.0 space has less ppl in it now How could you tell though? You can't just look at the map anymore, the "pilots in space" was changed to "average pilots for the past 30 minutes" which is to say, it's almost always empty. YOu can fly a 100 ship blob from Tenal to Curse, and you likely wouldn't ever see any of those people show up on the map. I don't disagree with Hanns here (I personally wish they'd put in some timer for how often you could score certain loot, to spread the wealth some), but I don't see this making a huge dent in player populus. In fact, I think it's the reverse, where a FEW people make a huge dent on the complex viability, by camping and tying up a few 23/7.
Gradinger	Posted - 2005.08.04 07:37:00 - [49] hey shai`h, was it u who told me "if ccp knew how much i earnt with this in the last days they¦d nerf it" ;) .. or whoever it was, i guess he was right.. CCP totally messed up with this complex thing.. omg.. it¦s like they thought "bpc¦s in complexes would be cool - END".. :/ i played with serp-3/10 for 2 or 3 (full) days (vacation ftw:) but i was NEVER able to once completely do one of the complexes! .. i mean id be totally ok if i could make each complex just once or as proposed once a week or so... but i would really like to fly around, see a complex and go for it without having to think about respawntimer... and btw no instanced complexes plz.. even more ppl would farm then.. and Tai, those respawntimers of 30mins for the HM are just and exclusively for U :) i heard about 1,5hrs for chief, 4hrs for HM, 8hrs for stronghold.. i mean u r right this are maximum times and it can go faster, but most of the HM i killed took their few hrs, and yesterday i tried to wait for a stronghold, had to leave for some minutes to come back and hear somebody else getting 2 gistii-things...:( somehow i figured to get one of those BPC¦s - so CCP plz nerf it to death NOW!
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2005.08.04 07:37:00 - [50] hey shai`h, was it u who told me "if ccp knew how much i earnt with this in the last days they¦d nerf it" ;) .. or whoever it was, i guess he was right.. CCP totally messed up with this complex thing.. omg.. it¦s like they thought "bpc¦s in complexes would be cool - END".. :/ i played with serp-3/10 for 2 or 3 (full) days (vacation ftw:) but i was NEVER able to once completely do one of the complexes! .. i mean id be totally ok if i could make each complex just once or as proposed once a week or so... but i would really like to fly around, see a complex and go for it without having to think about respawntimer... and btw no instanced complexes plz.. even more ppl would farm then.. and Tai, those respawntimers of 30mins for the HM are just and exclusively for U :) i heard about 1,5hrs for chief, 4hrs for HM, 8hrs for stronghold.. i mean u r right this are maximum times and it can go faster, but most of the HM i killed took their few hrs, and yesterday i tried to wait for a stronghold, had to leave for some minutes to come back and hear somebody else getting 2 gistii-things...:( somehow i figured to get one of those BPC¦s - so CCP plz nerf it to death NOW!

Emily Spankratchet	Posted - 2005.08.04 12:41:00 - [51] Annoying, isn't it? I thought a nice 3/10 would be just the thing to try out my shiny new assault Frig. I realised that most of the complexes would have been emptied out by the evening (EvE-time), but I had some time off in the middle of the week and docked somewhere convenient just before downtime. Downtime comes. Downtime goes. I'm back on the server only seconds after it comes back up. Undock. Warp to complex beacon. Activate acceleration wossname. Argh! Someone's already half way through the rats and has already snaffled the gate key. Bye the time I jumped to the other complexes in the region they were swept clean. Fair enough, EvE's a game where pretty much anything goes and if someone wants to farm complexes they can. But I had the foolish idea that it might be nice to do a complex for, like, fun. As a respite from the mission grind I'm doing at the moment to raise standings. And I couldn't, 'cause everyone else is grinding complexes and there's a limited supply of them. I'm not annoyed, I'm just disappointed. I know, I should have gone out of safe empire space. I just don't want to get my nice new assault frig blown out from under me quite yet.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2005.08.04 12:41:00 - [52] Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 04/08/2005 15:46:20 Annoying, isn't it? I thought a nice 3/10 would be just the thing to try out my shiny new assault Frig. I realised that most of the complexes would have been emptied out by the evening (EvE-time), but I had some time off in the middle of the week and docked somewhere convenient just before downtime. Downtime comes. Downtime goes. I'm back on the server only seconds after it comes back up. Undock. Warp to complex beacon. Activate acceleration wossname. Argh! Someone's already half way through the rats and has already snaffled the gate key. By the time I jumped to the other complexes in the region they were swept clean. Fair enough, EvE's a game where pretty much anything goes and if someone wants to farm complexes they can. But I had the foolish idea that it might be nice to do a complex for, like, fun. As a respite from the mission grind I'm doing at the moment to raise standings. And I couldn't, 'cause everyone else is grinding complexes and there's a limited supply of them. I'm not annoyed, I'm just disappointed. I know, I should have gone out of safe empire space. I just don't want to get my nice new assault frig blown out from under me quite yet.
Lily Savage	Posted - 2005.08.04 13:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Annoying, isn't it? I thought a nice 3/10 would be just the thing to try out my shiny new assault Frig. I realised that most of the complexes would have been emptied out by the evening (EvE-time), but I had some time off in the middle of the week and docked somewhere convenient just before downtime. Downtime comes. Downtime goes. I'm back on the server only seconds after it comes back up. Undock. Warp to complex beacon. Activate acceleration wossname. Argh! Someone's already half way through the rats and has already snaffled the gate key. Bye the time I jumped to the other complexes in the region they were swept clean. Fair enough, EvE's a game where pretty much anything goes and if someone wants to farm complexes they can. But I had the foolish idea that it might be nice to do a complex for, like, fun. As a respite from the mission grind I'm doing at the moment to raise standings. And I couldn't, 'cause everyone else is grinding complexes and there's a limited supply of them. I'm not annoyed, I'm just disappointed. I know, I should have gone out of safe empire space. I just don't want to get my nice new assault frig blown out from under me quite yet. That would have been me that was half way through the complex by the time you joined the server. That was the 2nd time I've done that particular complex; the first being immediately before DT the same day, when the good stuff had already been cleared out. Haven't you got a secure can anchored in one of the levels?
Lily Savage CryoTech	Posted - 2005.08.04 13:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Annoying, isn't it? I thought a nice 3/10 would be just the thing to try out my shiny new assault Frig. I realised that most of the complexes would have been emptied out by the evening (EvE-time), but I had some time off in the middle of the week and docked somewhere convenient just before downtime. Downtime comes. Downtime goes. I'm back on the server only seconds after it comes back up. Undock. Warp to complex beacon. Activate acceleration wossname. Argh! Someone's already half way through the rats and has already snaffled the gate key. Bye the time I jumped to the other complexes in the region they were swept clean. Fair enough, EvE's a game where pretty much anything goes and if someone wants to farm complexes they can. But I had the foolish idea that it might be nice to do a complex for, like, fun. As a respite from the mission grind I'm doing at the moment to raise standings. And I couldn't, 'cause everyone else is grinding complexes and there's a limited supply of them. I'm not annoyed, I'm just disappointed. I know, I should have gone out of safe empire space. I just don't want to get my nice new assault frig blown out from under me quite yet. That would have been me that was half way through the complex by the time you joined the server. That was the 2nd time I've done that particular complex; the first being immediately before DT the same day, when the good stuff had already been cleared out. Haven't you got a secure can anchored in one of the levels?
Emily Spankratchet	Posted - 2005.08.04 15:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Lily Savage That would have been me that was half way through the complex by the time you joined the server. That was the 2nd time I've done that particular complex; the first being immediately before DT the same day, when the good stuff had already been cleared out. Yes, it was you. Wow, the forums are a small world. Maybe farming isn't the problem in that case. The guy who was almost finishing the first section of the next complex I tried said that it was the first time he'd tried that complex too. Perhaps the problem is just that there aren't many complexes (and that it's too damn easy to find them with the complex listing website). Quote: Haven't you got a secure can anchored in one of the levels? Not me. I think that was about the fourth complex I've tried in my six months of playing EvE. I did have a look in there just before downtime and dumped a hold-full of junk modules in a jet can. That was probably still there after DT.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2005.08.04 15:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Lily Savage That would have been me that was half way through the complex by the time you joined the server. That was the 2nd time I've done that particular complex; the first being immediately before DT the same day, when the good stuff had already been cleared out. Yes, it was you. Wow, the forums are a small world. Maybe farming isn't the problem in that case. The guy who was almost finishing the first section of the next complex I tried said that it was the first time he'd tried that complex too. Perhaps the problem is just that there aren't many complexes (and that it's too damn easy to find them with the complex listing website). Quote: Haven't you got a secure can anchored in one of the levels? Not me. I think that was about the fourth complex I've tried in my six months of playing EvE. I did have a look in there just before downtime and dumped a hold-full of junk modules in a jet can. That was probably still there after DT.
Xerek	Posted - 2005.08.04 19:44:00 - [57] I've recently came back to Eve and I have to say the worst behavior I see in players is within complexes. I've had everything from people following the key dropping cruiser I'm trying to destroy to someone accidentally killing a corpmate and ending our chance to run the complex. Meanwhile I set on 30k+ of LP with my lvl3 agent hoping it will offer me something other than the charisma implant I have or one af for another af + Millions of isk. Really disappointed, but what can you do. Keep hoping your work will get you something or give it up.
Xerek	Posted - 2005.08.04 19:44:00 - [58] I've recently came back to Eve and I have to say the worst behavior I see in players is within complexes. I've had everything from people following the key dropping cruiser I'm trying to destroy to someone accidentally killing a corpmate and ending our chance to run the complex. Meanwhile I set on 30k+ of LP with my lvl3 agent hoping it will offer me something other than the charisma implant I have or one af for another af + Millions of isk. Really disappointed, but what can you do. Keep hoping your work will get you something or give it up.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2005.08.04 22:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Wraeththu Originally by: ElCoCo I come back a couple of weeks ago, things look even worse now. I mean compared to the "old days" with just 4-5k ppl online, 0.0 space has less ppl in it now How could you tell though? You can't just look at the map anymore, the "pilots in space" was changed to "average pilots for the past 30 minutes" which is to say, it's almost always empty. YOu can fly a 100 ship blob from Tenal to Curse, and you likely wouldn't ever see any of those people show up on the map. Heh come on, you don't really believe that do you? Even before introducing the average No of pilots it was that bad and the population was at 10k+ then as well.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.04 22:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Wraeththu Originally by: ElCoCo I come back a couple of weeks ago, things look even worse now. I mean compared to the "old days" with just 4-5k ppl online, 0.0 space has less ppl in it now How could you tell though? You can't just look at the map anymore, the "pilots in space" was changed to "average pilots for the past 30 minutes" which is to say, it's almost always empty. YOu can fly a 100 ship blob from Tenal to Curse, and you likely wouldn't ever see any of those people show up on the map. Heh come on, you don't really believe that do you? Even before introducing the average No of pilots it was that bad and the population was at 10k+ then as well.



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