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Wolverine PL	Posted - 2005.08.09 14:47:00 - [91] And even if you get to the end you get top 9th tier. No BPC or anythink good. Only way you can get it is just after DT
Wolverine PL Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2005.08.09 14:47:00 - [92] And even if you get to the end you get top 9th tier. No BPC or anythink good. Only way you can get it is just after DT
Def Antares	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:31:00 - [93] Originally by: Hanns Ok i traveled around empire today, visiting lots of complexes, i managed to find only ONE that hadnt been done, even then the end Bossmob hadnt spawnd, alos there were Secure containers Inside the complex, i mean its just retarded, and at nearby planets there were containers named Complex loot, CCP really need to figure out a way to stop this kind of crap, coz when someone actually wants to play the game and do a complex for fun ,they cant coz some asshat has been camping it allday, and wouldnt suprise me if thye have the spawn times written down or some crap. Some ideas, No anchoring inside Deadspace for starters, Maby add a reuse timer on the complexes per person, also Speed up the respawn of the later levels, because the first level respawns, by the time your at the second level, then some poor joe comes along, finishes the first level, gets the passkey only to find an empty second level. TBH Complexes are getting spoiled by greedy people, ohh and Vigilant BPC's From 3/10 Complexes, gimmy a break, this BPC drop needs to be nerfed to hell in empire! Exodus my but, sit in 0.5 farmin **** easy complex for 70+ mill BPC's risk and reward at its best again CCP Sarcasm some cheese to your whine?
Def Antares	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:31:00 - [94] Originally by: Hanns Ok i traveled around empire today, visiting lots of complexes, i managed to find only ONE that hadnt been done, even then the end Bossmob hadnt spawnd, alos there were Secure containers Inside the complex, i mean its just retarded, and at nearby planets there were containers named Complex loot, CCP really need to figure out a way to stop this kind of crap, coz when someone actually wants to play the game and do a complex for fun ,they cant coz some asshat has been camping it allday, and wouldnt suprise me if thye have the spawn times written down or some crap. Some ideas, No anchoring inside Deadspace for starters, Maby add a reuse timer on the complexes per person, also Speed up the respawn of the later levels, because the first level respawns, by the time your at the second level, then some poor joe comes along, finishes the first level, gets the passkey only to find an empty second level. TBH Complexes are getting spoiled by greedy people, ohh and Vigilant BPC's From 3/10 Complexes, gimmy a break, this BPC drop needs to be nerfed to hell in empire! Exodus my but, sit in 0.5 farmin **** easy complex for 70+ mill BPC's risk and reward at its best again CCP Sarcasm some cheese to your whine?
Agnar Koladrov	Posted - 2005.08.09 17:30:00 - [95] Originally by: Wolverine PL And even if you get to the end you get top 9th tier. No BPC or anythink good. Only way you can get it is just after DT Complexes should never have been linked to the DT`s in any way. To the rest: So what so bad about setting limits on how many time you can enter a certain complex? Making the respawn rate of everything inside "normal" and ajust the droprate accordingly. Complexes wouldn`t become useless after DT then and EVERYONE would get even there chances on running complexes.
Lemon Jelly	Posted - 2005.08.09 17:30:00 - [96] Having read this thread, and never having done a complex before, I thought it might be interesting to give it a go. I got into a 3/10 complex straight after DT today - there was nobody in local, so I was definitely first in. Over 5 hours later, I'm still waiting to get a re-spawn for a key that I'm told gets me to the last part of the complex, and the possibility of a BPC. Are people really farming these instead of doing level 4 missions because surely for the time I've wasted today so far, I'd have been way better off just paying the 45M (current escrow price) for a vigilant bpc?
Lemon Jelly	Posted - 2005.08.09 17:30:00 - [97] Having read this thread, and never having done a complex before, I thought it might be interesting to give it a go. I got into a 3/10 complex straight after DT today - there was nobody in local, so I was definitely first in. Over 5 hours later, I'm still waiting to get a re-spawn for a key that I'm told gets me to the last part of the complex, and the possibility of a BPC. Are people really farming these instead of doing level 4 missions because surely for the time I've wasted today so far, I'd have been way better off just paying the 45M (current escrow price) for a vigilant bpc?
Agnar Koladrov Gallente Hurricane Corporation	Posted - 2005.08.09 17:30:00 - [98] Originally by: Wolverine PL And even if you get to the end you get top 9th tier. No BPC or anythink good. Only way you can get it is just after DT Complexes should never have been linked to the DT`s in any way. To the rest: So what so bad about setting limits on how many time you can enter a certain complex? Making the respawn rate of everything inside "normal" and ajust the droprate accordingly. Complexes wouldn`t become useless after DT then and EVERYONE would get even there chances on running complexes. ________________________________________________ -- What a Revelation! -- Where was the creativty for speed/mass/etc when the tier2 Battlecruisers were designed? Why the same for each race BC?
AlleyKat	Posted - 2005.08.09 22:23:00 - [99] Originally by: Lemon Jelly Having read this thread, and never having done a complex before, I thought it might be interesting to give it a go. I got into a 3/10 complex straight after DT today - there was nobody in local, so I was definitely first in. Over 5 hours later, I'm still waiting to get a re-spawn for a key that I'm told gets me to the last part of the complex, and the possibility of a BPC. The complex would've had all the keys, either you weren't the first one there, or, you don't know what drops keys and what doesn't. If this was the weekend, remember that DT is normally 25 mins, not 1 hour as it is during the week. BTW, the vigilant is not worth 45million isk, but people will still pay that for it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to spend all your damn time farming complexes and camping, then that's your choice, but life is too short to just sit there in deadspace doing nothing. I go on at the weekend to 'do the DT race' when the servers come back on, sometimes I'm lucky, most times there's a T2 frigate with all the keys that just screams through and clears it in 10 mins, including the supply station. I may not like it, but that's the game. Since CWE, I've acquired two Vigilant bpcs, which I have built and given to gang members, who have the skills to fly them. I've also acquired several gistii items which have made me a lot of isk on escrow. However, I refuse to camp and farm because that just sucks and is pretty pathetic, not pointless, because the rewards are really high, but just, well, sad. None of this gets to me though. The thing that really, really gets on my nerves is people who think they have some kind of claim to these complexes, the believe that these are theirs in some way. Example on Saturday night. Flew into Leremblompes' 3/10, because my scanners said that, strangley, all the cruisers were in there and that the supply station was in there as well. Cool, I thought, and proceeded inside. I shot down the Headmaster of the refinery, it didn't drop a bpc, no problem, I thought, there always the supply station with possibly some juicy Gistii items. Then a n00b flies in, who must of taken the 'left' route through the complex, and starts to harass me stating that if I don't leave he will ask his corp to declare war on my corp! That somehow I was stealing from him! That this complex was his This is the thing that concerns me the most about the serpentis 3/10 complexes and the CWE changes that were made. CCP stated in the patch notes that the reason for making the changes was to encourage ganging and teamplay etc. Well, after over a month of running complexes, after reading the posts here, and after first-hand experience and conversations with people I know and don't know in-game, CCP have done, or rather have created, exactely the opposite situation. CCP have created anger, animosity, rivalry, hatred, indignation and outright outrage at something that was supposed to enrichen the experience of Eve - online. I'm just a games player, I'm not a games designer, people have made some suggestions here and, I don't know if any of them would work or not, but CCP have to realise that this is a problem. And it's a design problem, not a player problem. We are only human beings, playing a game that is controlled by isk. If you dangle 150 MILLION isk in front of us, (350-400k in bounties, 50 mill for the bpc, 80-100 mill for the gistii shield boosters and mwds, or a domination webber, 4.5 mill for the overseer tags) what the hell did CCP think was going to happen? And the big kicker is this, they are ALL in high sec space AND within a few jumps of one another (Everyshore FYI). I don't know the answer, but it's a big mistake and one that'll rage on until something is done. On the plus side, I was able to defuse the situation with the n00b, we shared the booty and stopped a war from starting, but others might not be so lucky Regards, AK.
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2005.08.09 22:23:00 - [100] Edited by: AlleyKat on 09/08/2005 22:25:33 Originally by: Lemon Jelly Having read this thread, and never having done a complex before, I thought it might be interesting to give it a go. I got into a 3/10 complex straight after DT today - there was nobody in local, so I was definitely first in. Over 5 hours later, I'm still waiting to get a re-spawn for a key that I'm told gets me to the last part of the complex, and the possibility of a BPC. The complex would've had all the keys, either you weren't the first one there, or, you don't know what drops keys and what doesn't. If this was the weekend, remember that DT is normally 25 mins, not 1 hour as it is during the week. BTW, the vigilant is not worth 45million isk, but people will still pay that for it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to spend all your damn time farming complexes and camping, then that's your choice, but life is too short to just sit there in deadspace doing nothing. I go on at the weekend to 'do the DT race' when the servers come back on, sometimes I'm lucky, most times there's a T2 frigate with all the keys that just screams through and clears it in 10 mins, including the supply station. I may not like it, but that's the game. Since CWE, I've acquired two Vigilant bpcs, which I have built and given to gang members, who have the skills to fly them. I've also acquired several gistii items which have made me a lot of isk on escrow. However, I refuse to camp and farm because that just sucks and is pretty pathetic, not pointless, because the rewards are really high, but just, well, sad. None of this gets to me though. The thing that really, really gets on my nerves is people who think they have some kind of claim to these complexes, they believe that these are theirs in some way. Example on Saturday night. Flew into Leremblompes' 3/10, because my scanners said that, strangley, all the cruisers were in there and that the supply station was in there as well. Cool, I thought, and proceeded inside. I shot down the Headmaster of the refinery, it didn't drop a bpc, no problem, I thought, there always the supply station with possibly some juicy Gistii items. Then a n00b flies in, who must of taken the 'left' route through the complex, and starts to harass me stating that if I don't leave he will ask his corp to declare war on my corp! That somehow I was stealing from him! That this complex was his. This is the thing that concerns me the most about the serpentis 3/10 complexes and the CWE changes that were made. CCP stated in the patch notes that the reason for making the changes was to encourage ganging and teamplay etc. Well, after over a month of running complexes, after reading the posts here, and after first-hand experience and conversations with people I know and don't know in-game, CCP have done, or rather have created, exactely the opposite situation. CCP have created anger, animosity, rivalry, hatred, indignation and outright outrage at something that was supposed to enrichen the experience of Eve - online. I'm just a games player, I'm not a games designer, people have made some suggestions here and, I don't know if any of them would work or not, but CCP have to realise that this is a problem. And it's a design problem, not a player problem. We are only human beings, playing a game that is controlled by isk. If you dangle 150 MILLION isk in front of us, (350-400k in bounties, 50 mill for the bpc, 80-100 mill for the gistii shield boosters and mwds, or a domination webber, 4.5 mill for the overseer tags) what the hell did CCP think was going to happen? And the big kicker is this, they are ALL in high sec space AND within a few jumps of one another (Everyshore FYI). I don't know the answer, but it's a big mistake and one that'll rage on until something is done. On the plus side, I was able to defuse the situation with the n00b, we shared the booty and stopped a war from starting, but others might not be so lucky Recruitment Film

Little Fistter	Posted - 2005.08.09 23:12:00 - [101] Quote: CCP stated in the patch notes that the reason for making the changes was to encourage ganging and teamplay etc. Well, after over a month of running complexes, after reading the posts here, and after first-hand experience and conversations with people I know and don't know in-game, CCP have done, or rather have created, exactely the opposite situation. CCP have created anger, animosity, rivalry, hatred, indignation and outright outrage at something that was supposed to enrichen the experience of Eve - online. I tried a complex and another player was ther, a newer player and I tried to cooperate with him and do the complex, we formed a gang and he took left and I took right, till we got to the end. I was using a smartbomb to ward off the swarming mob, and he came too close to me, and my damage to him caused Concord to immediately kill my ship. I petitioned but that was a waste of time as usual. Instead of admitting they had designed the game badly and apologizing, I was told that it was my fault and that I should not have used the smartbomb with another player around. OK, well I know to be careful with the smartbombs, but we were in a gang together and it was no act of agression. Anyway, the lesson I learned is: AVOID PLAYING WITH STRANGERS. CCP should remember that if the game is so lame as to make us unhappy, we will probably find another game we want to pay for.
Little Fistter	Posted - 2005.08.09 23:12:00 - [102] Quote: CCP stated in the patch notes that the reason for making the changes was to encourage ganging and teamplay etc. Well, after over a month of running complexes, after reading the posts here, and after first-hand experience and conversations with people I know and don't know in-game, CCP have done, or rather have created, exactely the opposite situation. CCP have created anger, animosity, rivalry, hatred, indignation and outright outrage at something that was supposed to enrichen the experience of Eve - online. I tried a complex and another player was ther, a newer player and I tried to cooperate with him and do the complex, we formed a gang and he took left and I took right, till we got to the end. I was using a smartbomb to ward off the swarming mob, and he came too close to me, and my damage to him caused Concord to immediately kill my ship. I petitioned but that was a waste of time as usual. Instead of admitting they had designed the game badly and apologizing, I was told that it was my fault and that I should not have used the smartbomb with another player around. OK, well I know to be careful with the smartbombs, but we were in a gang together and it was no act of agression. Anyway, the lesson I learned is: AVOID PLAYING WITH STRANGERS. CCP should remember that if the game is so lame as to make us unhappy, we will probably find another game we want to pay for.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.08.10 02:12:00 - [103] Bug report this. I know for a fact that you're not supposed to be able to anchor secure cans in deadspace.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2005.08.10 02:12:00 - [104] Bug report this. I know for a fact that you're not supposed to be able to anchor secure cans in deadspace. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Shai 'Hulud	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:43:00 - [105] Funny that a good many of the peeps I see complaining about this farming I see on a regular basis in these plexes
Shai 'Hulud Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:43:00 - [106] Funny that a good many of the peeps I see complaining about this farming I see on a regular basis in these plexes
Shai 'Hulud	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:58:00 - [107] Edited by: Shai ''Hulud on 10/08/2005 03:59:46 Originally by: JP Beauregard Originally by: Shai 'Hulud In the end, this whole farming complaint nothing but typical whine Wrong again. Your farming is nothing but a typically unimaginative form of gameplay that avoids immersion to a fault. And the complex farmers I have seen around Everyshore these past three days are almost without exception among the most inconsiderate, greedy and downright dumb people I have ever met in any environment, virtual or otherwise. If I was going for an immersion fix I would not be running over-camped complexes
Shai 'Hulud Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:58:00 - [108] Edited by: Shai ''Hulud on 10/08/2005 03:59:46 Originally by: JP Beauregard Originally by: Shai 'Hulud In the end, this whole farming complaint nothing but typical whine Wrong again. Your farming is nothing but a typically unimaginative form of gameplay that avoids immersion to a fault. And the complex farmers I have seen around Everyshore these past three days are almost without exception among the most inconsiderate, greedy and downright dumb people I have ever met in any environment, virtual or otherwise. If I was going for an immersion fix I would not be running over-camped complexes
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2005.08.10 10:59:00 - [109] Originally by: Shai 'Hulud Funny that a good many of the peeps I see complaining about this farming I see on a regular basis in these plexes Yes, I have promised myself to finish one complex all the way through before my subscriptions runs out at the end of the month, regardless of whether or not anything worth my time actually drops. So far, I've only come across futz****s yelling "MINE!!!!" at the top of their 12-year-old voices. Of coruse, I'm very sorry if my ambition should interfere with your farming. JP Beauregard ======================= Thinking will ruin your EVEperience.
JP Beauregard Gallente Pilkington Communications	Posted - 2005.08.10 10:59:00 - [110] Edited by: JP Beauregard on 10/08/2005 11:31:06 Originally by: Shai 'Hulud Funny that a good many of the peeps I see complaining about this farming I see on a regular basis in these plexes Yes, I have promised myself to finish one complex all the way through before my subscriptions runs out at the end of the month, regardless of whether or not anything worth my time actually drops. So far, I've only come across futz**s yelling "MINE!!!!" at the top of their 12-year-old voices. Of course, I'm very sorry if my ambition should interfere with your farming. PILCO - We Service Brains of All Sizes **

Rafein	Posted - 2005.08.10 11:26:00 - [111] make BPC's drop from 4/10+ Problem solved
Rafein	Posted - 2005.08.10 11:26:00 - [112] make BPC's drop from 4/10+ Problem solved
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.10 11:32:00 - [113] more low sec deadspace complexes - at least then those that really want them will travel. More ways to force carebears out of high sec into at least low sec. The alternative is missions which are always good
sonofollo Caldari Doomheim	Posted - 2005.08.10 11:32:00 - [114] more low sec deadspace complexes - at least then those that really want them will travel. More ways to force carebears out of high sec into at least low sec. The alternative is missions which are always good Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
AlleyKat	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Rafein make BPC's drop from 4/10+ Problem solved No, problem not solved as it's not just about the bpc's. Additionally, bpc's will drop from a 4/10 and there are 4/10's in high sec space. Regards, AK.
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:27:00 - [116] Originally by: Rafein make BPC's drop from 4/10+ Problem solved No, problem not solved as it's not just about the bpc's. Additionally, bpc's will drop from a 4/10 and there are 4/10's in high sec space. Recruitment Film
AlleyKat	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:41:00 - [117] Originally by: sonofollo more low sec deadspace complexes - at least then those that really want them will travel. More ways to force carebears out of high sec into at least low sec. The alternative is missions which are always good From the list I have of complexes, there are more than enough low-sec complexes for, apparently, higher skilled players to engage in. Why would they though? I've seen players with over 18 months of skills under their belt running high-sec complexes, which only enforces my point, it's too much isk in such a close proximity that even players with (probably) 50 million skill points or higher are running. As said, their precious T2 frigate or T2 crusier with T2 equipment will breeze these with ease. You second point on missions is a good one. Other people have said that there is no balance between that which was once rare to get hold of (bpc's) and the CWE complexes in high sec. Is this an indication that the missions are now a WOT unless you want the implants? Regards, AK.
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:41:00 - [118] Originally by: sonofollo more low sec deadspace complexes - at least then those that really want them will travel. More ways to force carebears out of high sec into at least low sec. The alternative is missions which are always good From the list I have of complexes, there are more than enough low-sec complexes for, apparently, higher skilled players to engage in. Why would they though? I've seen players with over 18 months of skills under their belt running high-sec complexes, which only enforces my point, it's too much isk in such a close proximity that even players with (probably) 50 million skill points or higher are running. As said, their precious T2 frigate or T2 crusier with T2 equipment will breeze these with ease. You second point on missions is a good one. Other people have said that there is no balance between that which was once rare to get hold of (bpc's) and the CWE complexes in high sec. Is this an indication that the missions are now a WOT unless you want the implants? Recruitment Film
Hanns	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:31:00 - [119] Originally by: Def Antares Originally by: Hanns Ok i traveled around empire today, visiting lots of complexes, i managed to find only ONE that hadnt been done, even then the end Bossmob hadnt spawnd, alos there were Secure containers Inside the complex, i mean its just retarded, and at nearby planets there were containers named Complex loot, CCP really need to figure out a way to stop this kind of crap, coz when someone actually wants to play the game and do a complex for fun ,they cant coz some asshat has been camping it allday, and wouldnt suprise me if thye have the spawn times written down or some crap. Some ideas, No anchoring inside Deadspace for starters, Maby add a reuse timer on the complexes per person, also Speed up the respawn of the later levels, because the first level respawns, by the time your at the second level, then some poor joe comes along, finishes the first level, gets the passkey only to find an empty second level. TBH Complexes are getting spoiled by greedy people, ohh and Vigilant BPC's From 3/10 Complexes, gimmy a break, this BPC drop needs to be nerfed to hell in empire! Exodus my but, sit in 0.5 farmin **** easy complex for 70+ mill BPC's risk and reward at its best again CCP Sarcasm some cheese to your whine? Some main with your alt? Sig by Mr Floppyknickers
Hanns Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:31:00 - [120] Edited by: Hanns on 10/08/2005 13:36:16 Def Antares if you dont have anything constructive to post, dont post anything at all! kthxdie. Originally by: Tuxford a new retribution bonus. +1 med slot per level



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