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 Trelennen    |
Posted - 2005.08.30 02:05:00 -
[211]
And you would prevent any new player from the fun of them, great! Currently they have not much chance either, with people farming them, but at least they have some opportunity to run them (and definitely running them at a moment where they are really difficult for you given your skills and fitting gives a load of fun! :)) |
 Trelennen Disturbed Hoggs |
Posted - 2005.08.30 02:05:00 -
[212]
And you would prevent any new player from the fun of them, great! Currently they have not much chance either, with people farming them, but at least they have some opportunity to run them (and definitely running them at a moment where they are really difficult for you given your skills and fitting gives a load of fun! :)) ===== !!! Fix SB - Love for AFs - Fix drones AI !!! |
 Sarduk Larish |
Posted - 2005.08.30 07:09:00 -
[213] I like the suggestion posted way back in this thread, of a limit on how often you can enter the same complex. Once a day seems the most obvious (with the limit re-setting on downtime). It wont remove farming totaly (multiple accounts) but will remove the 'casual' farmers. Throw in a limit to how long a person can stay in a complex (say an hour for lvl 1 then scale up from there) and jobs a goodun  |
 Sarduk Larish Amarr Equitatus Vindex |
Posted - 2005.08.30 07:09:00 -
[214] I like the suggestion posted way back in this thread, of a limit on how often you can enter the same complex. Once a day seems the most obvious (with the limit re-setting on downtime). It wont remove farming totaly (multiple accounts) but will remove the 'casual' farmers. Throw in a limit to how long a person can stay in a complex (say an hour for lvl 1 then scale up from there) and jobs a goodun _______________________________________________ This dose of neutrality and reason brought to you by Khanid Krunch (2% Vitoc)-The only way to start your day.If your hungry in the morning reach for KK |
 Latex Mistress |
Posted - 2005.08.30 08:45:00 -
[215] Thanks for this post. I ran a couple complexes months ago and came across the same things listed here; so I quit going. But now my corp's is going to take some time off to blow steam and we're thinking about doing some complexes for a good time. After reading what people have to say here, it's fairly obvious that we're going to have to stick with the low-sec 'plexes if at all... Kinda sucks when you have to make it a multi-BS corp-outing just to do a complex because of some greedy snot.  It'd be nice to just jump into some AF's and have a good time at a 4/10, but it is a shame that all players don't have the same opportunity.Oh well... low-sec is low-sec for a reason!  |
 Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition |
Posted - 2005.08.30 08:45:00 -
[216] Thanks for this post. I ran a couple complexes months ago and came across the same things listed here; so I quit going. But now my corp's is going to take some time off to blow steam and we're thinking about doing some complexes for a good time. After reading what people have to say here, it's fairly obvious that we're going to have to stick with the low-sec 'plexes if at all... Kinda sucks when you have to make it a multi-BS corp-outing just to do a complex because of some greedy snot. It'd be nice to just jump into some AF's and have a good time at a 4/10, but it is a shame that all players don't have the same opportunity.Oh well... low-sec is low-sec for a reason! LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time |
 Sanaen Eydanwadh |
Posted - 2005.08.30 15:22:00 -
[217]
wait-wait-wait "once a day"? are there some people who do the same complex over and over multiple times a day?? I thought I didn't think the farming-problem was *that* bad, in fact I didn't think some people could be *that* bored with their lives  About the "instancing" thing - I don't get how it could reduce farming ?? there would just be multiple complexes to farm instead of one, which means every player would farm his "plex" instead of just some greedy-bored-needing-to-get-a-life dudes... would it be better? EVErgrind Online striking back? I've never been in a complex actually (tried twice I think, and -> camped, obviously), readed this to get a clue... Now I think I'll never try it again  (altho reducing the loots values and putting a time limit -only once per player, or only once a week if it must be? - would sound like wise solutions to me...) |
 Sanaen Eydanwadh Sebiestor tribe |
Posted - 2005.08.30 15:22:00 -
[218]
wait-wait-wait "once a day"? are there some people who do the same complex over and over multiple times a day?? I thought I didn't think the farming-problem was *that* bad, in fact I didn't think some people could be *that* bored with their lives About the "instancing" thing - I don't get how it could reduce farming ?? there would just be multiple complexes to farm instead of one, which means every player would farm his "plex" instead of just some greedy-bored-needing-to-get-a-life dudes... would it be better? EVErgrind Online striking back? I've never been in a complex actually (tried twice I think, and -> camped, obviously), readed this to get a clue... Now I think I'll never try it again (altho reducing the loots values and putting a time limit -only once per player, or only once a week if it must be? - would sound like wise solutions to me...) |
 HippoKing |
Posted - 2005.08.30 18:34:00 -
[219]
i agree with the idea of once a day with DT as the barrier, but this would have to be for all complexes of this type (for example, i can only do one guristas 2/10 a day) and make each complex instanced for each player or gang. and yes, i have done the same complex several times - i think i have probably run the pith deadspace depot about 10 times in one day  , in the few days after cold war, when the faction frigs still sold for 70mil+. it was the day with a couple of reboots due to server instability (complex farmer's dream)
not if combined with the limits discussed above - so I can only do one guristas 2/10 a day, and that complex is just for me, and me alone (or my gang). this would also stop evil players ruining a person's one attempt at a complex that day
if u do find an empty one (nowhere near as hard as every1 makes out), then go for it - its fun as well as profitable (at least the first few times) |
 HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button |
Posted - 2005.08.30 18:34:00 -
[220]
i agree with the idea of once a day with DT as the barrier, but this would have to be for all complexes of this type (for example, i can only do one guristas 2/10 a day) and make each complex instanced for each player or gang. and yes, i have done the same complex several times - i think i have probably run the pith deadspace depot about 10 times in one day , in the few days after cold war, when the faction frigs still sold for 70mil+. it was the day with a couple of reboots due to server instability (complex farmer's dream)
not if combined with the limits discussed above - so I can only do one guristas 2/10 a day, and that complex is just for me, and me alone (or my gang). this would also stop evil players ruining a person's one attempt at a complex that day
if u do find an empty one (nowhere near as hard as every1 makes out), then go for it - its fun as well as profitable (at least the first few times) |
HippoKing |
Posted - 2005.08.30 18:42:00 -
[221] oh yeah, and a confession: about a week ago, i was doing a complex (2/10 pith again). a relative noob in a kessy (2-3 weeks i think) warped into the complex as i got the key i headed for the acceleration gate, and warped through. i went straight for the overseer (in my harpy), and took him down. as i went to the can, the kessy came into the 2nd lvl, riding on my key. i got the can, and progressed to the next lvl, followed by this kessy (who was not responding on local) i managed to get the overseer effects from lvl3 as well, and warped to the last level the kessy, of course, followed. seeing victory (stealing the final overseers loot) was at hand, the kessy opened fire and charged the overseer, aggroing everyone in the deadspace (cept 2 cruisers and 2 frigs who were after me) i could have helped him - i probably could have killed enough of them in time to let him survive i didn't i sat there and laughed as they ripped that (attempted) thieving bastard got ripped to shreds by the overseer's guards he dropped a full set of limos standard launchers, and then the overseer dropped a worm  after this, i felt like a complete bastard, but at the time it seemed the natural thing to do i'm sorry |
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button |
Posted - 2005.08.30 18:42:00 -
[222] oh yeah, and a confession: about a week ago, i was doing a complex (2/10 pith again). a relative noob in a kessy (2-3 weeks i think) warped into the complex as i got the key i headed for the acceleration gate, and warped through. i went straight for the overseer (in my harpy), and took him down. as i went to the can, the kessy came into the 2nd lvl, riding on my key. i got the can, and progressed to the next lvl, followed by this kessy (who was not responding on local) i managed to get the overseer effects from lvl3 as well, and warped to the last level the kessy, of course, followed. seeing victory (stealing the final overseers loot) was at hand, the kessy opened fire and charged the overseer, aggroing everyone in the deadspace (cept 2 cruisers and 2 frigs who were after me) i could have helped him - i probably could have killed enough of them in time to let him survive i didn't i sat there and laughed as they ripped that (attempted) thieving bastard got ripped to shreds by the overseer's guards he dropped a full set of limos standard launchers, and then the overseer dropped a worm after this, i felt like a complete bastard, but at the time it seemed the natural thing to do i'm sorry |
 Trelennen |
Posted - 2005.08.30 19:48:00 -
[223]
Don't be sorry for this noob but already jerk, you were perfectly right to let him being killed, he was the bastard, not you. Unfortunately i don't think it'll make him learn not to steal people's loot in complexes, but probably only to wait for them to get aggro before running straight on the can for the loot :/ (I got alot of these, but they were not noob, and were much more safe in there than I was, specialy with me having the aggro.) |
Trelennen Disturbed Hoggs |
Posted - 2005.08.30 19:48:00 -
[224]
Don't be sorry for this noob but already jerk, you were perfectly right to let him being killed, he was the bastard, not you. Unfortunately i don't think it'll make him learn not to steal people's loot in complexes, but probably only to wait for them to get aggro before running straight on the can for the loot :/ (I got alot of these, but they were not noob, and were much more safe in there than I was, specialy with me having the aggro.) ===== !!! Fix SB - Love for AFs - Fix drones AI !!! |
 xJESTERx |
Posted - 2005.08.30 20:11:00 -
[225] i only got about 1/2 through the second page of this topic, because its the same repeating crap over and over. But i can't see how now one has put 2 and 2 together. TAKE OUT THE DAM BPCs stick em on random ships in low sec i dont know, nor care. but before the patch or update when these bpcs where introduced complexes were empty. I know, because i was one of the very few that did them. And take out that faction loot too. stick it in 0.0. Its empty as it is. Nothing worth 20M+ should be dropped in empire. You can't increase the respawn time or decrease the drop rate. It might weed out a few but the item will just become more valuable. |
 xJESTERx |
Posted - 2005.08.30 20:11:00 -
[226] i only got about 1/2 through the second page of this topic, because its the same repeating crap over and over. But i can't see how now one has put 2 and 2 together. TAKE OUT THE DAM BPCs stick em on random ships in low sec i dont know, nor care. but before the patch or update when these bpcs where introduced complexes were empty. I know, because i was one of the very few that did them. And take out that faction loot too. stick it in 0.0. Its empty as it is. Nothing worth 20M+ should be dropped in empire. You can't increase the respawn time or decrease the drop rate. It might weed out a few but the item will just become more valuable. |
 Trelennen |
Posted - 2005.08.30 20:43:00 -
[227]
Well, moving them to 0.0 will make them even more valuable too... And are faction ships really worth that much? I mean, are they really that uber they need to be priced that much? I guess it's a question CCP should answer. Anyway, serpentis complexes are farmed at least as much for the gistii items as for the faction ships. Remove the faction ships they'll still be farmed for faction loot. Problem is still there. Well, then you will want to remove any valuable loot from complexes in Empire? They're supposed to be hard, and they are hard for players with not much SP (eg. players for which low difficulty complexes are meant), and when something is hard, you're supposed to have a potential good reward at the end too. And some faction loots you find in there are worth 20M+ too, so you say, "remove BPC cause there should not be items 20M+ worth in empire, but leave the faction loot that are worth the same"? What a weird logic... And if you think it's not normal that players can have some valuable things in empire, then make it impossible to get lots of ISKs mining in empire... Maybe preventing mining barge to mine in 0.5+? That would be silly, don't you think? |
Trelennen Disturbed Hoggs |
Posted - 2005.08.30 20:43:00 -
[228]
Well, moving them to 0.0 will make them even more valuable too... And are faction ships really worth that much? I mean, are they really that uber they need to be priced that much? I guess it's a question CCP should answer. Anyway, serpentis complexes are farmed at least as much for the gistii items as for the faction ships. Remove the faction ships they'll still be farmed for faction loot. Problem is still there. Well, then you will want to remove any valuable loot from complexes in Empire? They're supposed to be hard, and they are hard for players with not much SP (eg. players for which low difficulty complexes are meant), and when something is hard, you're supposed to have a potential good reward at the end too. And some faction loots you find in there are worth 20M+ too, so you say, "remove BPC cause there should not be items 20M+ worth in empire, but leave the faction loot that are worth the same"? What a weird logic... And if you think it's not normal that players can have some valuable things in empire, then make it impossible to get lots of ISKs mining in empire... Maybe preventing mining barge to mine in 0.5+? That would be silly, don't you think? ===== !!! Fix SB - Love for AFs - Fix drones AI !!! |
sonofollo |
Posted - 2005.08.30 20:50:00 -
[229] mmm all these empty easy and hard low sec complexes just waitng to be used and no one out here - it doesnt make sense where are these farmed complexes u speak of ive never encountered them in low sec So to those annoyed with farmers come to low sec where they are quite often EMPTY this thread makes no sense at all - carebears that wont come into 0.4 pfft |
 sonofollo Caldari Doomheim |
Posted - 2005.08.30 20:50:00 -
[230] mmm all these empty easy and hard low sec complexes just waitng to be used and no one out here - it doesnt make sense where are these farmed complexes u speak of ive never encountered them in low sec So to those annoyed with farmers come to low sec where they are quite often EMPTY this thread makes no sense at all - carebears that wont come into 0.4 pfft Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw. |
 Sella Gal |
Posted - 2005.08.31 13:16:00 -
[231] Well I gotta say it irks me too..... My character, permanently in 0.0 doing the "exodus" thing and trying to inhabit 0.0 sec space. I go hunting for 1 hour in a -1 sec system to see what i can get.... my spawns consist of... 1 cruiser, 3 frigs 2 cruisers 4 cruisers 2 cruisers 2 frigs 1 500k bs and 4 frigs. In ONE hour in a -1 sec system, I really think this HAS to be a joke but such is life an all that.... Next thing I hear....2 newer corpmates have been at the complexes and musta struck lucky and they hit 3 plexes in one hour in AF's. What did they get?? 3 Vigilant BPC's 4 Faction Armor hardeners and some other named loot. Me? The 500k BS spawn dropped... Siege Missile Launcher Cap Recharger 1 100 Bane Torpedoes A ONE MN Microwarpdrive You are yanking my chain right? These guys made 100m in an HOUR in 0.7 space. I made < 2m and got crap all loot in DEEP 0.0 sec space in a -1 sec system. Anyone trying to tell me something aint broke will get the 'stare'  |
 Sella Gal Gallente |
Posted - 2005.08.31 13:16:00 -
[232] Well I gotta say it irks me too..... My character, permanently in 0.0 doing the "exodus" thing and trying to inhabit 0.0 sec space. I go hunting for 1 hour in a -1 sec system to see what i can get.... my spawns consist of... 1 cruiser, 3 frigs 2 cruisers 4 cruisers 2 cruisers 2 frigs 1 500k bs and 4 frigs. In ONE hour in a -1 sec system, I really think this HAS to be a joke but such is life an all that.... Next thing I hear....2 newer corpmates have been at the complexes and musta struck lucky and they hit 3 plexes in one hour in AF's. What did they get?? 3 Vigilant BPC's 4 Faction Armor hardeners and some other named loot. Me? The 500k BS spawn dropped... Siege Missile Launcher Cap Recharger 1 100 Bane Torpedoes A ONE MN Microwarpdrive You are yanking my chain right? These guys made 100m in an HOUR in 0.7 space. I made < 2m and got crap all loot in DEEP 0.0 sec space in a -1 sec system. Anyone trying to tell me something aint broke will get the 'stare' |
Andromea |
Posted - 2005.08.31 13:55:00 -
[233] Seems a odd that high sec drops better then low sec in some instances tbh |
 Andromea |
Posted - 2005.08.31 13:55:00 -
[234] Seems a odd that high sec drops better then low sec in some instances tbh __________________ I like Pie. |
Dionysus Davinci |
Posted - 2005.08.31 17:17:00 -
[235] Just move out the 3/10 to low security space. Problem solved. |
 Dionysus Davinci BURTREYNOLDS |
Posted - 2005.08.31 17:17:00 -
[236] Just move out the 3/10 to low security space. Problem solved. |
Aliksr |
Posted - 2005.08.31 17:58:00 -
[237] If you make them harder new players can still do them, they'll just have to do it in groups. That makes their experience even more fun. The solution to farming isn't to make it so everyone can farm (instancing), that would be a terrible idea. The reason eve is still so balanced and fun is because they don't cave in to the whiners who just grind the game. That leads to isk inflation and module inflation as suddenly what was exclusive and rare yesterday becomes common today and everyone has one. Sure that appeases the complainers, but it ruins the fun. The right solution to every problem in eve is the one that makes everyone complain equally, except for those players with maturity and perspective. Make the complexes harder or nerf their payout until that point is reached. |
 Aliksr GoonFleet GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2005.08.31 17:58:00 -
[238] If you make them harder new players can still do them, they'll just have to do it in groups. That makes their experience even more fun. The solution to farming isn't to make it so everyone can farm (instancing), that would be a terrible idea. The reason eve is still so balanced and fun is because they don't cave in to the whiners who just grind the game. That leads to isk inflation and module inflation as suddenly what was exclusive and rare yesterday becomes common today and everyone has one. Sure that appeases the complainers, but it ruins the fun. The right solution to every problem in eve is the one that makes everyone complain equally, except for those players with maturity and perspective. Make the complexes harder or nerf their payout until that point is reached. |
 Magnum VII Caldari Doomheim |
Posted - 2005.09.01 06:14:00 -
[239] Edited by: Magnum VII on 01/09/2005 06:20:16
Frel no! We have the means to war the Freltards. We don't want instanced complexes, because it would be some fake persistant world like all the other mmorpg's. We are here to take care of the frelians our selfs one way or the other. But it might not be bad if the NPC pirates could blow up the loot cans and take their stuff as well as us at least be able to pop it. Just like if it were real, which is what we want, right? Also only war decable players should be allowed in them. Or they should be 0.0 security. |
 sonofollo |
Posted - 2005.09.01 06:18:00 -
[240] im with that last post - ok so there are easy complexes in high sec space that are full pretty much all the time. Stop being a carebear and get into low sec. |
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