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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:31:00 -
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That white background is awful.
It does not match with you.
Hi Poetic. ^_^ |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
16
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
On the subject of insults, I've seen these thrown out more from the elite PVP camp than from carebears themselves, you included. Carebears and miners are by far the largest targets for 'elitist' PVPers to sling insults and degrading comments against. Since I started playing it's non-stop. So again, I have to call you out on your post above.
From my observation, reason and logic has never explained the level of hate, disdain, and contempt that you and some of the other very vocal anti-carebear players bring to this forum. But to be fair, this behavior isn't unique to Eve alone. However, for whatever reasons, you do tend to be more aggressive and vocal than what I've observed elsewhere.
I spent 8 months giving out anti gank barge fittings and got nothing but insults back. Sorry but bears are by far the most likely to start throwing around the insults. But please, by all means go find where I have gone out and insulted people right off the bat. While you're at it, look up the amount of insults that get thrown at me because of my corp and alliance.
Last two things I said in response to dying (paraphrased):
(Attacked some dude at a FW plex)
Me: Well this isn't going how I planned. :(
Him: GF.
Me: .....
(No GF because it was more of a slaughter than a fight. I got kited.)
(Ran into a gatecamp. Most don't use sensor boosters where I live so tried to warp instead of burning for the gate. Turns out they had sensor boosters after all.)
"Crap, my new ship stack isn't here yet. Tell the fleet I'm not coming."
PvPers are pretty chill about things compared to everyone else.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
baltec1
Bat Country
5473
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:32:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system. haha, good one.
Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
16
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system. haha, good one. Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it.
Chribba, I am disappoint.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station.
I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security.
I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Dave Stark
1886
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:42:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station. I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security. I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.
i haven't seen a ganker in months either, and i'm less than 10 jumps from jita, in the forge region.
if we're having a **** waving competition my orca nearly has 200k cargo space.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
baltec1
Bat Country
5473
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:43:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station. I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security. I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.
Few people see a ganker these days. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5473
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:44:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system. haha, good one. Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it. Chribba, I am disappoint.
To be fair he only has 3 lasers on the veldnought and no bonuses. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:44:00 -
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Before commenting on the article itself, I'd just like to point out that some Eve players use the term sandbox in a way quite unlike anyone else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game
Quote:An open world is a type of video game level design where a player can roam freely through a virtual world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives.[1]
The term "free roam" is also used, as is "sandbox" and "free-roaming".[2][3] "Open world" and "free-roaming" suggest the absence of artificial barriers,[4] in contrast to the invisible walls and loading screens that are common in linear level designs. An "open world" game does not necessarily imply a sandbox. In a true "sandbox", the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play.
Eve Online would still be a sandbox game if it was nothing but highsec. It'd still be a sandbox game if it didn't allow pvp combat at all. It'd certainly still be a sandbox if it was only a singleplayer game.
But here "sandbox" seems to be short-hand for "I want to be able to interact with other players in ways they don't like". I suppose it'll do, for want of a better term. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it.
well I was laughing more at the suggestion that i can mine safely next to a major trade hub.
maybe if it's a system without a station in i though. 'cos gankers looking at the map are just going to discount those.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Dave Stark
1886
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:46:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it. well I was laughing more at the suggestion that i can mine safely next to a major trade hub. maybe if it's a system without a station in i though. 'cos gankers looking at the map are just going to discount those.
i find it funny that you think you're going to get ganked.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Few people see a ganker these days.
oh they're still out there because of quotas. i discussed it with someone whose alts kept bouncing off me in sinq laison. not as prevalent as during hulkageddon maybe.
and you have all these new order jokers. I mean, apparently, haven't seen them because i'm nowhere to be found.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
16
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:49:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Before commenting on the article itself, I'd just like to point out that some Eve players use the term sandbox in a way quite unlike anyone else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_gameQuote:An open world is a type of video game level design where a player can roam freely through a virtual world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives.[1]
The term "free roam" is also used, as is "sandbox" and "free-roaming".[2][3] "Open world" and "free-roaming" suggest the absence of artificial barriers,[4] in contrast to the invisible walls and loading screens that are common in linear level designs. An "open world" game does not necessarily imply a sandbox. In a true "sandbox", the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play. Eve Online would still be a sandbox game if it was nothing but highsec. It'd still be a sandbox game if it didn't allow pvp combat at all. It'd certainly still be a sandbox if it was only a singleplayer game. But here "sandbox" seems to be short-hand for "I want to be able to interact with other players in ways they don't like". I suppose it'll do, for want of a better term. "Social sandbox" perhaps?
I define it as a game where you can do whatever you want and the majority of content is created or run by players.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:49:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i find it funny that you think you're going to get ganked.
I don't think i'm allowed to post killmails my mack has got but trust me it's still out there.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Dave Stark
1886
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:50:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i find it funny that you think you're going to get ganked. I don't think i'm allowed to post killmails my mack has got but trust me it's still out there.
mine closer to jita then, no gankers there. i say that with a completely straight face.
as for the new order people, rofl, honestly, i'm not even convinced they exist.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:53:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:. From a player's perspective they effectively don't exist. From a developer's perspective these are people who are inevitably going to quit anyway and so are nearly irrelevant to profit.
Eh? You can still suicide gank an anti-social miner, ninjaloot from the anti-social mission runner, undercut an anti-social trader, and kill an anti-social pvper.
And catering entirely to the 5+ year vets is as foolish as catering entirely to new players. Vets get tired of the game and get burned out or just move on, they need to be replaced by new blood. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5473
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:53:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i find it funny that you think you're going to get ganked. I don't think i'm allowed to post killmails my mack has got but trust me it's still out there.
Your more likely to have your tengu ganked. Barges are statistically the safest ship to be in at the moment. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:55:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:mine closer to jita then, no gankers there. i say that with a completely straight face.
as for the new order people, rofl, honestly, i'm not even convinced they exist.
well yes they seem to be trying hard at least.
but my setup is fine, it's hardly any less effort and i don't haul so i can mine anywhere in high sec. i quite like how i'm meandering round new eden.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
16
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:03:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Eh? You can still suicide gank an anti-social miner, ninjaloot from the anti-social mission runner, undercut an anti-social trader, and kill an anti-social pvper.
For how much longer? I've seen the game go from being able to escape concord to having to suicide to kill someone. I've seen concord respond faster and faster with more and more force. I've seen can flipping removed from the game. I saw it go from developers intentionally giving secure cans low room because they didn't want to remove that play-style to implementing ore holds. I've seen flagging go from only the person you wronged to flagging you to everyone. I've seen it go from having to guard haulers to people using a cyno alt to bypass gate camps. Every year the game gets more safe (read: boring), less social and less free. How much longer until high sec is Trammel?
Takseen wrote:And catering entirely to the 5+ year vets is as foolish as catering entirely to new players. Vets get tired of the game and get burned out or just move on, they need to be replaced by new blood.
This has nothing to do with new vs old players.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:With regard to the article by poetic...and I quote, "...a very small subset of the entire Eve population..."
So, what exactly is all the fuss about?
Ignore them or gank them. They whine on the forums to change the game. They are the ones who have broken the barge lineup and they are the ones who are whining about bumping. Anything that gets in the way of their game time is seen as bad and must be removed even if that thing is a cornerstone of EVE.
Carebears forced CCP to apply Tiericide to barges? |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Your more likely to have your tengu ganked. Barges are statistically the safest ship to be in at the moment.
why do i have these highly amusing mackinaw killmails then?
I don't want to lose a single mackinaw, because it takes a long term to replace it with mining income. i mean, if you aren't running three accounts with orca support.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
17
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:05:00 -
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Takseen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:With regard to the article by poetic...and I quote, "...a very small subset of the entire Eve population..."
So, what exactly is all the fuss about?
Ignore them or gank them. They whine on the forums to change the game. They are the ones who have broken the barge lineup and they are the ones who are whining about bumping. Anything that gets in the way of their game time is seen as bad and must be removed even if that thing is a cornerstone of EVE. Carebears forced CCP to apply Tiericide to barges?
He's talking about the tank buff I think, which unfortunately I was actually in favor of because I thought not having to pimp fit to mine in null would get people out of high.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
Mishraile Viliana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:07:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:March rabbit wrote:
exactly. because PVPers made anyone other left these places.
No, some people left because it's easier to spend 2 hours AFK in high than 1 hour paying attention in low for the same ISK. Then the rest of them left because everyone else was gone. If you put in any significant effort, PvPers aren't much of an issue. I know this from first hand experience running my own low sec mining corp back when such a thing still existed.
Well no, PVPers made sure that no matter how carefull you are in lowsec you will get the occasional loss and because of that the weekly/monthly income is similar for a similar amount of time played in low or high sec while low adds the nuisance off being constantly on guard while many simply want to relax.
As for your personaly experience could you tell us exactly when that was? And while your at give us an idea off how many other industrial corps were in operating in lowsec compared to the number of pirate corps operating there with a comparison to those numbers today? And perhaps then you'll realize that no one has any interest in setting it up since the moment they start something in low they will have a dozen pirate corps preying on them.
Also could you tell me what your problem is with only finding other PVPers in low? Aren't you looking for PVP or are you one off those that delude themselves with the idea the killing industrials and PVE fitted ships is actual PVP?
The simple fact is that PVPers made it unenjoyable for most to make a living in low and now that they only have targets that actually have a chance to fight back they complain that there aren't enough players and that CCP should find ways to herd non PVPers into low and null, but lets be honest here the players crying out for that don't want more players to live there they only want more easy targets. |
Dave Stark
1887
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:08:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:why do i have these highly amusing mackinaw killmails then?
I don't want to lose a single mackinaw, because it takes a long term to replace it with mining income. i mean, if you aren't running three accounts with orca support.
because you're bad at eve.
perhaps you should use a retriever instead, takes about 2 hours tops to replace one, even less if you're using multiple accounts.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:09:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:[quote=Takseen]Eh? You can still suicide gank an anti-social miner, ninjaloot from the anti-social mission runner, undercut an anti-social trader, and kill an anti-social pvper.
For how much longer? I've seen the game go from being able to escape concord to having to suicide to kill someone. I've seen concord respond faster and faster with more and more force. I've seen can flipping removed from the game. I saw it go from developers intentionally giving secure cans low room because they didn't want to remove that play-style to implementing ore holds. I've seen flagging go from only the person you wronged to flagging you to everyone. I've seen it go from having to guard haulers to people using a cyno alt to bypass gate camps. Every year the game gets more safe (read: boring), less social and less free. How much longer until high sec is Trammel?
You're upset about the greater potential for player interaction caused by the Suspect flag?
Cyno alts and jump freighters aren't a highsec issue. They're a low and nullsec logistics tool, and an extremely popular one.
And escaping Concord legitimitely must be VERY old indeed.
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baltec1
Bat Country
5473
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:13:00 -
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Takseen wrote:
Carebears forced CCP to apply Tiericide to barges?
8 months of whining influenced CCP into thinking the bare hull of an exhumer was profitable to gank. The ships were buffed on a lie and as a result, the lineup ended up just as unbalanced as before the changes. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:13:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:
He's talking about the tank buff I think, which unfortunately I was actually in favor of because I thought not having to pimp fit to mine in null would get people out of high.
Well barge tanks were laughably weak at the time, I remember looking at the numbers. It was a struggle to get a ship costing hundreds of millions of ISK to survive an attack from a destroyer costing a 10th of that money. Perhaps they overdid it, I haven't checked the new figures.
There's better ways to get miners into nullsec. See the nullsec vs highsec industry threadnaught on front page of GD. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:13:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:because you're bad at eve.
perhaps you should use a retriever instead, takes about 2 hours tops to replace one, even less if you're using multiple accounts.
tell me more about how i'm bad at eve because of my successful strategy.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Dave Stark
1887
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:14:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:because you're bad at eve.
perhaps you should use a retriever instead, takes about 2 hours tops to replace one, even less if you're using multiple accounts. tell me more about how i'm bad at eve because of my successful strategy.
losing mackinaws.
successful.
pick one, and only one.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
baltec1
Bat Country
5473
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:18:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Your more likely to have your tengu ganked. Barges are statistically the safest ship to be in at the moment. why do i have these highly amusing mackinaw killmails then? I don't want to lose a single mackinaw, because it takes a long term to replace it with mining income. i mean, if you aren't running three accounts with orca support.
Barge/exhumer kills are at their lowest point in the history of EVE. |
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