losing mackinaws.
successful.

pick one, and only one.

you misunderstand.

the killmails i got with my mackinaw against gankers, hence not lossmails. i just had my drones out and set to aggressive and they got the kill.

Well barge tanks were laughably weak at the time, I remember looking at the numbers. It was a struggle to get a ship costing hundreds of millions of ISK to survive an attack from a destroyer costing a 10th of that money. Perhaps they overdid it, I haven't checked the new figures.

There's better ways to get miners into nullsec. See the nullsec vs highsec industry threadnaught on front page of GD.

Barge/exhumer kills are at their lowest point in the history of EVE.

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PvPers are pretty chill about things compared to everyone else.

Well no, PVPers made sure that no matter how carefull you are in lowsec you will get the occasional loss and because of that the weekly/monthly income is similar for a similar amount of time played in low or high sec while low adds the nuisance off being constantly on guard while many simply want to relax.

As for your personaly experience could you tell us exactly when that was? And while your at give us an idea off how many other industrial corps were in operating in lowsec compared to the number of pirate corps operating there with a comparison to those numbers today? And perhaps then you'll realize that no one has any interest in setting it up since the moment they start something in low they will have a dozen pirate corps preying on them.

Also could you tell me what your problem is with only finding other PVPers in low? Aren't you looking for PVP or are you one off those that delude themselves with the idea the killing industrials and PVE fitted ships is actual PVP?

The simple fact is that PVPers made it unenjoyable for most to make a living in low and now that they only have targets that actually have a chance to fight back they complain that there aren't enough players and that CCP should find ways to herd non PVPers into low and null, but lets be honest here the players crying out for that don't want more players to live there they only want more easy targets.

The barges were indeed horrible before the patch but the exhumers however were more than able to be tanked.

No, some people left because it's easier to spend 2 hours AFK in high than 1 hour paying attention in low for the same ISK. Then the rest of them left because everyone else was gone. If you put in any significant effort, PvPers aren't much of an issue. I know this from first hand experience running my own low sec mining corp back when such a thing still existed.


Again, it had nothing to do with PvPers and everything to do with lazy, anti-social people.

How much acid did you have to drop before you thought you were interacting with someone you've never seen, spoken to or even been in the same system with?

So i'm right: PvPers made everybody left these places.

Here's some facts for you:

1. CCP didn't balance the barges

The same is with missions. Some time ago i've tried to run few missions in low-sec. Was hunted and scanned from start and needed to exit mission. And after that i don't accept missions in low-sec. Lazy bear you say? Yes.
However i've asked forums what could i do. And except "antiscan tengu is universal answer" i got nothing. Carebear has nothing to defend from PvPers when he runs mission.

So yes, missions in low-sec aren't used because of PVPers.

No you aren't. See my last post.

Your obsession with the state of mining barges is hilarious. Genuinely curious: why are you so passionate about that little corner of the game?

Here's some facts for you:

1. CCP didn't balance the barges because of some mythical carebear influence, they balanced them along with other ships based on the state of the game. Strings of Hulkageddons, interdictions etc. are more to blame than some imagined complainers. Have some faith that your game devs know what they're doing and don't blindly mess with stuff based on some forum posts.

2. If you find it remotely challenging to gank a miner, you are terrible.

So i'm right: PvPers made everybody left these places.

The same is with missions. Some time ago i've tried to run few missions in low-sec. Was hunted and scanned from start and needed to exit mission. And after that i don't accept missions in low-sec. Lazy bear you say? Yes.
However i've asked forums what could i do. And except "antiscan tengu is universal answer" i got nothing. Carebear has nothing to defend from PvPers when he runs mission.

So yes, missions in low-sec aren't used because of PVPers.

Unless the ones you run into in high sec are pretty much the exact opposite of the ones i'm used to dealing with, that kind of people are incredibly uncommon. We're used to losing multiple ships an hour sometimes. No ****s tend to be given. Carebears on the other hand act like it's the end of the world and completely flip out on you.

Missions just aren't good lowsec content, unless you can lock down your system. YWhich you can't do as easily in low as in null.
Plus you have to fly a big and expensive target, and there's a hefty penalty if you need to abandon a mission due to hostiles.

I think lowsec is better as a mostly consensual pvp zone in the FW model.

1. They were influenced by the months of whines which is why they got an EHP buff dispite the fact that the exhumers already had a tank in line with heavy assault cruisers. They also listened to us and removed an EHP buff they were going to give to the hulk.

i agree, but they could just change the low sec mission content to be more fw-like. escort scenarios etc. and making the different levels same class engagements and lower only like fw i think would be great for PvP.

It doesn't take much effort to make friends with the locals if you're a nice person, and once you've done that you can run lowsec missions to your hearts content in your finest faction battleship.

I spent 8 months giving out anti gank barge fittings and got nothing but insults back. Sorry but bears are by far the most likely to start throwing around the insults. But please, by all means go find where I have gone out and insulted people right off the bat.

While you're at it, look up the amount of insults that get thrown at me because of my corp and alliance.

I don't know. There has been plenty of "Nerf Hi-Sec, Buff null-sec" threadnaughts going on for quite some time, yet there doesn't seem to be any inclination on CCP part they are going to follow suit on those demands.

Now, it could be that a large percentage of players actually did say in their cancelation reason (when they canceled their subs) that they were quitting because their miner was ganked and then CCP acted on that instead of the forum complaints (as it directly hits their wallet).

But the truth is we don't know. CCP never came out and said we're making these changes because of X reason.

It was just assumed because of the threadnaughts that it was because of that. They might have had other reaons and we wouldn't know. Mabye a magic 8ball that said "Buff Miners" came up during the team meetings.

I don't know. There has been plenty of "Nerf Hi-Sec, Buff null-sec" threadnaughts going on for quite some time, yet there doesn't seem to be any inclination on CCP part they are going to follow suit on those demands.

Now, it could be that a large percentage of players actually did say in their cancelation reason (when they canceled their subs) that they were quitting because their miner was ganked and then CCP acted on that instead of the forum complaints (as it directly hits their wallet).

But the truth is we don't know. CCP never came out and said we're making these changes because of X reason.

It was just assumed because of the threadnaughts that it was because of that. They might have had other reaons and we wouldn't know. Mabye a magic 8ball that said "Buff Miners" came up during the team meetings.

Sure, that could work. I just think back to the types of high risk pve I have engaged in.
Escalations from highsec plexes-Short duration, can be done in a T1 cruiser, high chance of a big payout, no penalty if I have to abandon them.
C1/2 Wormhole anoms-shortish duration, not much loot to carry, nice payout, unique NPC combat I can't get in highsec, no penalty for abandoning, no local. The latter kinda works to my advantage since I'd prefer not to broadcast my presence automatically like I do in lowsec.

Basically if you could do lowsec level 4s in a BC or level 3s in a cruiser as you'd do them in a BS or a BC respectively in highsec, it'd be somewhat tempting to put up with the Dscan hassle. Even better if you could do them pvp fit.

Basically if you could do lowsec level 4s in a BC or level 3s in a cruiser as you'd do them in a BS or a BC respectively in highsec, it'd be somewhat tempting to put up with the Dscan hassle. Even better if you could do them pvp fit.

baltec1,

Firstly, you are no stranger around here. Just as I am known to be pro-carebear, you run on the opposite side of the line. Don't insult yourself by claiming anything else. Your 'selfless acts' of providing miners with fits ran along the lines of fit tank and HTFU. Stop pretending to be the gift to carebears. You're not. Ever since I can remember you've had nothing but disdain and contempt for carebears.

Second, what do you expect people to think of an alliance that, up until the time that one of your own died on a terrorist attack, made it a point to run campaigns based on real-life terrorist attack themes, even though repeatedly you were told that it was in poor taste? You associate with a group of players that have gone out of their way to grief play and come in here pretending like it's undeserved? You poor thing.

At no point have we ever taken part in "grief play".

Why are you taking a drunken guy speaking to goons while wearing a shiney wizards hat seriously?

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that he was drunk during the days it took him to prepare his presentation. But yeah, it's always the alcohol's fault :).

I hereby encourage people ton++ find and kill Alexander Gianturco.