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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13200	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:42:00 - [571] - Quote Whitehound wrote: I appreciate your honesty, but please do not expect me to make you happy when I do not think you should be. But you already have by finally agreeing with me. I'm merely asking you why your changing your mind should or would not make me happy? Oh, and I'm asking why you keep lying, tooGÇª but I don't expect you to want to answer that one. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Whitehound 1182	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:42:00 - [572] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Whitehound wrote: Solstice Project wrote: He sounds more like he has some serious mental issues, tbh. Even if I had serious mental issues is there still no need for you to cry about it like a baby. And "No" to your Thorax. Not only are you again seeing things which aren't true, you can't really tell anybody what he's allowed to say. :) You can try ... but it'll end the same as it does for everything else regarding you. :) Btw, it's quite funny to see how Tippia keeps destroying you. ^_^ Well then, deny it, by all means, but first I am being beaten down and now it is destruction? What comes next?? With your violent image on this thread are you then one who sees things that do not exist, but please do tell ... Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Whitehound 1182	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:49:00 - [573] - Quote Tippia wrote: But you already have by finally agreeing with me. Finally?? Is agreeing with you the key to your happiness? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2912	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:52:00 - [574] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Well then, deny it, by all means, but first I am being beaten down and now it is destruction? What comes next?? With your violent image on this thread are you then one who sees things that do not exist, but please do tell ... See, there again is the issue. I am not denying anything. You further support the idea that you have mental issues. You make things up and then build your logic around it, as if your imagination was fact.
Whitehound 1182	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:54:00 - [575] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Whitehound wrote: Well then, deny it, by all means, but first I am being beaten down and now it is destruction? What comes next?? With your violent image on this thread are you then one who sees things that do not exist, but please do tell ... See, there again is the issue. I am not denying anything. You further support the idea that you have mental issues. You make things up and then build your logic around it, as if your imagination was fact. Well well, you should get your PhD in psychology then. It is probably already in the mail. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4363	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:55:00 - [576] - Quote How the ** is this thread still going? I capitalized ** for emphasis while typing this, not that that actually matters. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix
Whitehound 1182	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:56:00 - [577] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: How the ** is this thread still going? I capitalized for emphasis while typing this, not that that actually matters. You do not know the fun we are having here! Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.**
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2912	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:00:00 - [578] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Well well, you should get your PhD in psychology then. It is probably already in the mail. Actually ... hahahahahahahahaha ... nevermind. ^_^
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13200	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:05:00 - [579] - Quote WhitehoundFinally?? [:lol: wrote: Yes, it took over 25 pages, so I'd say that GÇ£finallyGÇ¥ is a good description of it. Quote: Is agreeing with you the key to your happiness? No. Intelligence is. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2913	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:17:00 - [580] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: How the ** is this thread still going? I capitalized ** for emphasis while typing this, not that that actually matters. Hey, your post ... ... it's full of stars ! :D
Whitehound 1182	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:21:00 - [581] - Quote Tippia wrote: WhitehoundFinally?? [:lol: wrote: Yes, it took over 25 pages, so I'd say that GÇ£finallyGÇ¥ is a good description of it. Quote: Is agreeing with you the key to your happiness? No. Intelligence is. What took over 25 pages? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

ISD Tyrozan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 39	Posted - 2013.03.11 20:21:00 - [582] - Quote Topic temporarily locked for house keeping. I apologize for any inconvenience. ISD Tyrozan Lt Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Whitehound 1183	Posted - 2013.03.11 21:41:00 - [583] - Quote Tippia wrote: WhitehoundFinally?? [:lol: wrote: Yes, it took over 25 pages, so I'd say that GÇ£finallyGÇ¥ is a good description of it. Quote: Is agreeing with you the key to your happiness? No. Intelligence is. What took over 25 pages? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2914	Posted - 2013.03.11 22:53:00 - [584] - Quote Wow ... all the great posts are still in the thread, so far i've checked. Thanks, Mr. ISD ! ^_^
Dave Stark 1979	Posted - 2013.03.11 22:55:00 - [585] - Quote clearly, innuendo and 1bn isk mammoths are relevant to the OP. you're tired, stop posting.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1062	Posted - 2013.03.11 23:06:00 - [586] - Quote This thread reminds me of the time I went from Jita to Dodixie for some item on contract and when I got back to Jita, I realized the items are on the market now and I could have bought it for half the price right there. Edit: In the end it turned out, I didn't even need that thing for the fit. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2914	Posted - 2013.03.11 23:28:00 - [587] - Quote Currently listening to http://newedenradio.com, where famous DJ Taya Dentano from Minmatar Chat is talking in between all the music. And she takes requests and shoutouts too ! CONTACT HER INGAME NOW ! A REAL girl, btw. ... (that'll make them tune in)
Whitehound 1183	Posted - 2013.03.11 23:57:00 - [588] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: This thread reminds me of the time I went from Jita to Dodixie for some item on contract and when I got back to Jita, I realized the items are on the market now and I could have bought it for half the price right there. Edit: In the end it turned out, I didn't even need that thing for the fit. Now you need to take the next step and turn it into a scam. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
kes88 Swords of Persephone 17	Posted - 2013.03.12 00:04:00 - [589] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: How the ** is this thread still going? I capitalized ** for emphasis while typing this, not that that actually matters. I...I... massages temples...I just read this thread... Soooooo. In summary: Original Poster: Reimbursement for Orca changes? 2nd poster: Nope. Shudup. Argument Maker Number 1: That is not fair. Argument Maker Number 2: It is not unfair. Argument Maker Number 1: YOU SIR, ARE A CAD!! Argument Maker Number 2: NO SIR! YOU SIR ARE A CAD!! much 'you started it' ensues Amusing Poster Number 1 : Rude innuendo! For amusement! Amusing Poster Number 2: Lol! Indeed! Docking permission requested! lololol! much later, after many explosions and hardeners burnt out Argument Maker Number 13423523: YOU SIR ARE A CAD!! Argument Maker Number 18356385: NO SIR! YOU SIR ARE A CAD!! I prefer the amusing ones, dunno bout everyone else.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2914	Posted - 2013.03.12 00:26:00 - [590] - Quote kes88 wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: How the ** is this thread still going? I capitalized ** for emphasis while typing this, not that that actually matters. I...I... massages temples...I just read this thread... Soooooo. In summary: Original Poster: Reimbursement for Orca changes? 2nd poster: Nope. Shudup. Argument Maker Number 1: That is not fair. Argument Maker Number 2: It is not unfair. Argument Maker Number 1: YOU SIR, ARE A CAD!! Argument Maker Number 2: NO SIR! YOU SIR ARE A CAD!! much 'you started it' ensues Amusing Poster Number 1 : Rude innuendo! For amusement! Amusing Poster Number 2: Lol! Indeed! Docking permission requested! lololol! much later, after many explosions and hardeners burnt out Argument Maker Number 13423523: YOU SIR ARE A CAD!! Argument Maker Number 18356385: NO SIR! YOU SIR ARE A CAD!! I prefer the amusing ones, dunno bout everyone else. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nice ! ^_^
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.03.12 02:44:00 - [591] - Quote I've been reading through the thread, skimming through a lot of it, and I can see the OP does have a point. Also I can understand CCPs stance on this as well as it would give all the other people who have had skills changed to want a reimbursement also. Reading through I had an idea though which may be a good solution to the problem. What if Mining Barge V affected a relevant bonus on the Orca. For instance you could remove the Mining Link bonus and from the Industrial Command Ships skill, and make that attribute affected by training up the Mining Barge skill instead. Also you could make a role bonus such as tractor beam range affected by Mining Barge skill also. Then those who have trained Mining Barge will still have some use for the skill even if they don't want to fly a Mining Barge. Also it would be simple for CCP to implement.
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 334	Posted - 2013.03.12 06:25:00 - [592] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: No skill point reimbursement. Ever. You train a skill at a time for a reason and that's the end of it. "Skills that are deleted, or removed from the game." Case in point: Learning skills. You're welcome.
Whitehound 1183	Posted - 2013.03.12 07:18:00 - [593] - Quote Tiber Ibis wrote: I've been reading through the thread, skimming through a lot of it, and I can see the OP does have a point. Also I can understand CCPs stance on this as well as it would give all the other people who have had skills changed to want a reimbursement also. Reading through I had an idea though which may be a good solution to the problem. What if Mining Barge V affected a relevant bonus on the Orca. For instance you could remove the Mining Link bonus and from the Industrial Command Ships skill, and make that attribute affected by training up the Mining Barge skill instead. Also you could make a role bonus such as tractor beam range affected by Mining Barge skill also. Then those who have trained Mining Barge will still have some use for the skill even if they don't want to fly a Mining Barge. Also it would be simple for CCP to implement. While this is a good compromise does it still not need one. Unallocating the skill points for Mining Barge V and returning them into the free pool of SPs, where players can reassign them, is the easiest way. It is what the players want and those who say they hate it can put their points back into Mining Barge V. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 910	Posted - 2013.03.12 07:39:00 - [594] - Quote Whitehound wrote: It is what the players want No it isn't.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13200	Posted - 2013.03.12 07:47:00 - [595] - Quote Tiber Ibis wrote: Then those who have trained Mining Barge will still have some use for the skill even if they don't want to fly a Mining Barge. Also it would be simple for CCP to implement. The problem is that this would go completely against what they're trying to do: remove cross-tier and cross-class skill requirements and bonus contaminations. The Mining Barge has use for everyone who has trained it. Just because some choose not to make full use of their skill set (actually, make that GÇ£everyoneGÇ¥ not just GÇ£someGÇ¥ since this is always true) doesn't mean that they are suddenly owed added usefulness for their skills. In fact, on of the key design elements of the EVE skill system is that you never use all of your skills, and that most of them actually lie dormant, waiting for some particular scenario where they make a difference. Whitehound wrote: While this is a good compromise does it still not need one. Unallocating the skill points for Mining Barge V and returning them into the free pool of SPs, where players can reassign them, is the easiest way. GÇªwhich, as it often does, also coincides with it being the wrong way since it opens the floodgates for SP remaps for the flimsiest of reasons (and yes GÇ£I don't want this skill any moreGÇ¥ is a flimsy reason). Anyway, you've already agreed that there should be no reimbursement since no-one lost anything so I'm not sure why you'd suggest something as silly as that. You're quite right: there is no need for a compromise here since it's such a clear-cut case of keeping exactly what you got for exactly the price you were willing to pay. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Whitehound 1183	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:01:00 - [596] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Whitehound wrote: It is what the players want No it isn't. Sure, have you not been reading the thread? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Whitehound 1183	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:02:00 - [597] - Quote Tippia wrote: Whitehound wrote: While this is a good compromise does it still not need one. Unallocating the skill points for Mining Barge V and returning them into the free pool of SPs, where players can reassign them, is the easiest way. GÇªwhich, as it often does, also coincides with it being the wrong way since it opens the floodgates ... I stopped reading at floodgates. There are none in the game. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13201	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:02:00 - [598] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Sure, have you not been reading the thread? You are not GÇ£the playersGÇ¥. Quote: I stopped reading at floodgates. Maybe you should get some new specs then, if you can't read for longer than that. That would certainly explain your illiteracy and your complete insensitivity to context. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Whitehound 1183	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:13:00 - [599] - Quote Tippia wrote: Whitehound wrote: Sure, have you not been reading the thread? You are not GÇ£the playersGÇ¥. Oh, I know. What I do not know is how you can talk of "floodgates" and at the same time claim that nobody wants it. My reading comprehension is fine. You are just trolling again. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13203	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:18:00 - [600] - Quote Whitehound wrote: What I do not know is how you can talk of "floodgates" and at the same time claim that nobody wants it. Some might think that they want it because they have completely misunderstood how the EVE skill system works and think that it's much like the progression trees you'll find in your average derivative class/level/xp-based RPG. The problem is that the result of what they think they want is the complete removal of skills as a functional mechanic in the game and a complete [surprise-sex] of new playersGÇª and I feel spectacularly confident in saying that GÇ£the playersGÇ¥ do not actually want that. Quote: My reading comprehension is fine. Only in the sense that it's been ground into a very fine powder and spread for the wind. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.

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