Some might think that they want it because they have completely misunderstood how the EVE skill system works and think that it's much like the progression trees you'll find in your average derivative class/level/xp-based RPG. The problem is that the result of what they think they want is the complete removal of skills as a functional mechanic in the game and a complete [surprise-sex] of new playersGǪ and I feel spectacularly confident in saying that Gǣthe playersGǥ do not actually want that.

Only in the sense that it's been ground into a very fine powder and spread for the wind.

Others do not need your help to know what they want

and my reading comprehension is really not the topic.

Please, stop with the trolling. It leads no where.

Sure they do, especially ...

No.

It is so not relevant for the topic.

Incorrect.
People often don't think about the ripple effects of their suggestions, and when they find out, they occasionally even reconsider the value of the suggestion.

Incorrect.
Pointing out the problems caused by a suggestion is very much part of the topic.

** Newer players are somehow under the impression that it takes 1.5-2 years to be able to pilot anything worthwhile in EVE. I have no idea where they got this erroneous information.

You talk about EVE and their players as if they were water.

I also was referring to your comments regarding my reading comprehension as not being the topic.

I then can say where I stopped reading a comment.

Newbie: What should I used for Level 4s?
BitterVets: MACH! MACH! MACH! Everything else sucks!
Newbie: I have 1 million sp and not doing all that great in a Mach, what am I doing wrong?
BitterVets: don't even think of flying BS until you have AT LEAST 10 million sp!
Newbie: this game sucks, I won't be able to do anything for years :(

I'd imagine this is the most likely scenario example :p

To be fair, it's not really the bittervets saying that GÇö it's the munchkins. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbies is having much more fun with what little he has.

Newbie: What should I used for Level 4s?
BitterVets: MACH! MACH! MACH! Everything else sucks!
Newbie: I have 1 million sp and not doing all that great in a Mach, what am I doing wrong?
BitterVets: don't even think of flying BS until you have AT LEAST 10 million sp!
Newbie: this game sucks, I won't be able to do anything for years :(

I'd imagine this is the most likely scenario example :p

GǪand I can say that by doing so, you are ignoring the context and wilfully misrepresenting what's being said, like the troll you are. Pointing out your fallacies and lies is not trolling, nor is it off-topic GÇö in fact, it's very much staying on topicGǪ unlike your incessant attempts at derailing said topic with your misrepresentations, fallacies, and lies.

It does not make it a topic nor is it on topic. And blaming me for not understanding me and calling me a liar is not moving this discussion forward either. You are only trying to make me a target of your trolling. It just is not my problem.

1.) You *are* a liar.
2.) You don't even know what a discussion *is*.

It does not make it a topic nor is it on topic.

And blaming me for not understanding me and calling me a liar is not moving this discussion forward either.

Please, tell me what you think is a lie.

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