Yes. But you came here anyway, and posted anyway.

You should feel bad.

it's 9:30pm on a saturday night and i'm badposting on the eve forums. i couldn't feel worse if i tried.

For playing the game ourselves, we do know how much of pain it is to have unwanted skills left in your character sheet because of a change you even remotely have nothing to do about. It seems logical that, since we required Mining Barges 5 trained as a pure time sink to reach the Orca, we should give the skill points back.

Except it's not, unfortunately. As mentioned in the blog, the only skills that we can in good conscience reimburse are the Destroyers and Battlecruisers ones.

That is because the overhaul will make the two skills mentioned above useless. Even if we were going to give the Destroyers/Battlecruisers skill points back in the allocation pool on a 1:1 ratio, we would leave players unable to fly hulls they could use before the changes (we are creating four racial variants instead of a single generic skill).

All the other skills, including Mining Barge 5 for the Orca, are not in the same category however. We are not taking your ability to fly the vessels away but changing how they are reached - players will still be able to fly them after the change. We are even modifying how skill training works to make sure you can still train the skill itself after the plan goes live.

Yes, it is annoying we leave you with a bunch of skills you have no interest into in your character sheet, and for that, you have our sincere apologies. But if we were to refund them here, other players, like capital pilots, or even people we affected during our numerous changes in the past, could rightfully claim for the same treatment. Because even if the previous concept was deemed acceptable, EVE Online is not one of these games where skill allocation can be technically wasted: with time, any player can theoretically reach and train all the skills we have to offer. There is no such thing as a Class A preventing you from seeing Class B content unless you create a new character specifically for it.

Invested skill points are still an asset - particularly Mining Barges 5, as it is very valuable for resource gathering characters. Which brings the question, why should we leave players with Mining Barge 5 trained if they are using the Orca as a hauler, or even a logistics platform for pirate related activities? That is because, initially, it was designed to be a logistic ship with a mining focus. You may not use any of its bonuses due to the sandbox nature of the game, but it didn't change the role it was initially tailored for.


So again, you do have our sympathy here - we wouldn't have spent half an hour writing this reply if we didn't care - but we cannot reimburse anything else than Destroyers and Battlecruisers in this case.

Yes. But you came here anyway, and posted anyway.

You should feel bad.

I need something to do within the 15min GCCs. :)

try mining, you only get 121 seconds to write a post.

us miners have it so tough, these days.

No!

There is simply no further need for discussion. I'm not saying my idea is perfect. I'm saying that it cannot be improved upon.

Well to be completely frank there was no need for further discussion after the second post in the thread.

Which also incidentally happens to be my post.

if we're being frank, the ISDs should've done their job and move and/or lock this thread.
the last thread made about this very issue was moved, and since this is a duplicate thread due to the fact that we've already had this thread (and it's been moved) it should have been locked as soon as it was made.

but c'est la vie.

train for a procurer, and if you come mining with me, you can keep the procurer i give you :P

Would be worth more to join me on a ganking roam. :p
And it's fun, too ! :D

(no need for ganking on your side, just scanning/looting. i promise we won't just sit around at gates like the noobs do ^_^)


Also ... wtf should i do with a procurer ?

It doesn't have any cool ability, like the skiff ... and it's a mining ship !

I don't even know if that thing has slots for turrets !
(no idea about mining lasers, really)


edit: **** all of the above. Gimme a skiff ! xD

What would i do with a cyno ?

light it and then tell PL, or something?

oh righty, yeah, forgot you had no pretend-friends, because you're not a :forever alone:, to jump to your cyno :P

usually because you keep losing ships and my eve mail icon is blinking with more bounty notifications.

Be nice. I could let me get killed on purpose, all day long, every few minutes. ^_^
Tbh, i thought of doing it just to **** everybody off and remind them all i'm here...

... but i guess that's not actually necessary.


Btw, will we get forum banned for this ? I wouldn't want that to happen, tbh.

usually because you keep losing ships and my eve mail icon is blinking with more bounty notifications.

Be nice. I could let me get killed on purpose, all day long, every few minutes. ^_^

Tbh, i thought of doing it just to **** everybody off and remind them all i'm here...
... but i guess that's not actually necessary.


Btw, will we get forum banned for this ? I wouldn't want that to happen, tbh.


edit:
brb smoke. stay with me, dave !