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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
881
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Yes but my solution takes a lot of dev time reprogramming the skill system (or perhaps the addition of a superfluous skill) for no real reason to appease a few falsely-entitled individuals  Will it also break the game in (as yet) unknown and mysterious ways ?!
Surprises keep the metagame fresh and interesting! |
Dave Stark
1938
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:30:00 -
[182] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:
You're posting in General Discussion.
You also hate yourself?
Guess so.
you're tired, stop posting. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3536
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:41:00 -
[183] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Yes but my solution takes a lot of dev time reprogramming the skill system (or perhaps the addition of a superfluous skill) for no real reason to appease a few falsely-entitled individuals Will it also break the game in (as yet) unknown and mysterious ways ?! Surprises keep the metagame fresh and interesting!
Not if the GEWNS are there and making use of it. Then someone might have to cry for them to be nerfed.
Dave Stark wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:
You're posting in General Discussion.
You also hate yourself?
Guess so.
Hmm, so you're implying you're also bored.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Dave Stark
1938
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:
You're posting in General Discussion.
You also hate yourself?
Guess so. Hmm, so you're implying you're also bored.
I'm a miner...
you're tired, stop posting. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3536
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:
You're posting in General Discussion.
You also hate yourself?
Guess so. Hmm, so you're implying you're also bored. I'm a miner...
It's ok.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2845
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:57:00 -
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Is this thread still on topic ? |
Dave Stark
1938
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:58:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Is this thread still on topic ?
doubt it.
Alavaria Fera wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
I'm a miner...
It's ok.
a-are you sure?
you're tired, stop posting. |
Whitehound
1174
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:00:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Is this thread still on topic ?
You never seem to need reasons for making your comments, so why ask now?
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
882
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:02:00 -
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There is simply no further need for discussion. I'm not saying my idea is perfect. I'm saying that it cannot be improved upon. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
882
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:04:00 -
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Correction: You may discuss how great my idea is. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2940
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:06:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:There is simply no further need for discussion. I'm not saying my idea is perfect. I'm saying that it cannot be improved upon.
I know how it could be improved upon. Give the whiners their SP reimbursement in the form of free gametime rather than straight SP, and require them to have the current Orca requirements in order to fly the Orca.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14407
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:09:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Correction: You may discuss how great my idea is. I think your idea is awesome and should be implemented ASAP. 
(Just send the ISK to the alt as we discussed.)
Malcanis for CSM 8.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
883
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:10:00 -
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That's the same as my idea but with free gametime tacked on! This is an outrageous appropriation of BennyPlan's core aspects. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2845
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:12:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Is this thread still on topic ? You never seem to need reasons for making your comments, so why ask now? Obviously you didn't quite get it. ^_^
Also, you should learn the definition of "never", because the first half of your sentence isn't actually true. :)
Anyhow, thanks for helping. This thread has lived long enough. :) |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Villore Accords
62
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:21:00 -
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10 pages of whine?
All the current skills equired to fly an Orca are relevant and do provide benefis. Just because some players do not use all of those benefits is not a case for reimbursement. Industry 5 reduces manufacuring time, Science 4 allows for Nanite Control to be trained (which is handy if you use combat boosters), Mining Barges 5 is highly useful if you plan to mine and allows for Exhumers to be trained. If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2940
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:27:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:That's the same as my idea but with free gametime tacked on! This is an outrageous appropriation of BennyPlan's core aspects.
Except that my idea also gives them what they want. All skills required to fly an Orca being reimbursed to them.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Whitehound
1174
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:30:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:10 pages of whine?
All the current skills equired to fly an Orca are relevant and do provide benefis. Just because some players do not use all of those benefits is not a case for reimbursement. Industry 5 reduces manufacuring time, Science 4 allows for Nanite Control to be trained (which is handy if you use combat boosters), Mining Barges 5 is highly useful if you plan to mine and allows for Exhumers to be trained. If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter.
So you are saying CCP should not change the skills.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Asmodai Xodai
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:50:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote: If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter.
Someone might have wanted to... you know... actually use it the way it was designed, i.e. support mining operations with it (which doesn't mean that they themselves mine or need to train barges, which is actually reflected with CCP's upcoming changes). |
Dave Stark
1938
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:51:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Estella Osoka wrote: If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter. Someone might have wanted to... you know... actually use it the way it was designed, i.e. support mining operations with it (which doesn't mean that they themselves mine or need to train barges, which is actually reflected with CCP's upcoming changes).
except if they were mining, during the time they were training for the orca, they were in a mining ship, contributing to the mining fleet.
so even in that situation, it isn't a redundant and/or useless skill. especially when you get multiple orca pilots turning up to an op, the rest can jump in to mining ships.
you're tired, stop posting. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Villore Accords
62
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:51:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:10 pages of whine?
All the current skills equired to fly an Orca are relevant and do provide benefis. Just because some players do not use all of those benefits is not a case for reimbursement. Industry 5 reduces manufacuring time, Science 4 allows for Nanite Control to be trained (which is handy if you use combat boosters), Mining Barges 5 is highly useful if you plan to mine and allows for Exhumers to be trained. If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter. So you are saying CCP should not change the skills.
Nope, but it doesn't change the fact that the skills needed to get into an Orca now, are not useful. I like the idea that if I want to fly a mining barge, then I can. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Villore Accords
62
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:58:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Estella Osoka wrote: If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter. Someone might have wanted to... you know... actually use it the way it was designed, i.e. support mining operations with it (which doesn't mean that they themselves mine or need to train barges, which is actually reflected with CCP's upcoming changes).
Oh, so you're one of those guys who just wants to park his Orca, turn on the boosts, then go afk, and get your cut from the mining op. Basically earning isk with minimal effort. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3536
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:06:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Asmodai Xodai wrote:Estella Osoka wrote: If all you wanted the Orca for was to haul stuff around, then you should have trained for a freighter. Someone might have wanted to... you know... actually use it the way it was designed, i.e. support mining operations with it (which doesn't mean that they themselves mine or need to train barges, which is actually reflected with CCP's upcoming changes). Oh, so you're one of those guys who just wants to park his Orca, turn on the boosts, then go afk, and get your cut from the mining op. Basically earning isk with minimal effort.
More stylish than afk mining for your isk with minimal effort.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Asmodai Xodai
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:12:00 -
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Quote:except if they were mining, during the time they were training for the orca, they were in a mining ship, contributing to the mining fleet.
Someone might have... you know... not been mining. Someone's entire goal might have been to support other miners. Or perhaps someone's entire goal might have been to haul unrefined ore, as perhaps they didn't have the skills to refine. Who knows? |
Dave Stark
1938
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:14:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Quote:except if they were mining, during the time they were training for the orca, they were in a mining ship, contributing to the mining fleet. Someone might have... you know... not been mining. Someone's entire goal might have been to support other miners. Or perhaps someone's entire goal might have been to haul unrefined ore, as perhaps they didn't have the skills to refine. Who knows?
supporting them by not using the skills they're training for the good of the fleet?
even if you aren't boosting, an extra miner is better than being logged out.
in that case, **** 'em, they're clearly useless anyway.
either way, mining barge is never a useless skill to train as an orca pilot that boosts, as i pointed out (and you casually ignored and edited out of the quote)
you're tired, stop posting. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2846
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:as i pointed out (and you casually ignored and edited out of the quote)
Who would have funk !
Do you mean to say the OP isn't actually interested in getting enlightened,
but instead just wants to rant and have things go the way he wants them to ?
REALLY ??? O_O |
Dave Stark
1938
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:19:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:as i pointed out (and you casually ignored and edited out of the quote) Who would have funk ! Do you mean to say the OP isn't actually interested in getting enlightened, but instead just wants to rant and have things go the way he wants them to ? REALLY ??? O_O
now you mention it, and i've checked what forum we're in...
i should have known better, shouldn't i?
you're tired, stop posting. |
Whitehound
1174
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:22:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Nope, but it doesn't change the fact that the skills needed to get into an Orca now, are not useful. I like the idea that if I want to fly a mining barge, then I can.
Of course, to some are all of these skills useful, but not everyone thinks this way including CCP.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Asmodai Xodai
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:26:00 -
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Quote:supporting them by not using the skills they're training for the good of the fleet?
even if you aren't boosting, an extra miner is better than being logged out.
in that case, **** 'em, they're clearly useless anyway.
either way, mining barge is never a useless skill to train as an orca pilot that boosts, as i pointed out ...
So CCP is making a mistake by removing these skills from the skill path? Why don't you tell them that? In fact, I'm with you 100%.
Glad we finally agree on something. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3536
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:27:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:as i pointed out (and you casually ignored and edited out of the quote) Who would have funk ! Do you mean to say the OP isn't actually interested in getting enlightened, but instead just wants to rant and have things go the way he wants them to ? REALLY ??? O_O now you mention it, and i've checked what forum we're in... i should have known better, shouldn't i?
Yes. But you came here anyway, and posted anyway.
You should feel bad.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Dave Stark
1939
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Posted - 2013.03.09 21:30:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Quote:supporting them by not using the skills they're training for the good of the fleet?
even if you aren't boosting, an extra miner is better than being logged out.
in that case, **** 'em, they're clearly useless anyway.
either way, mining barge is never a useless skill to train as an orca pilot that boosts, as i pointed out ... So CCP is making a mistake by removing these skills from the skill path? Why don't you tell them that? In fact, I'm with you 100%. Glad we finally agree on something.
do i think they are making a mistake removing them? not at all.
do i think people should be reimbursed? not at all.
if people previously felt that training mining barge V was a perfectly acceptable price to pay for being able to fly an orca, then they have no reason to complain about it now regardless of how useless mining barge V has been, or will be to them. the simple fact is they were willing to "pay the price" in order to fly the orca, so they paid it and nothing about the skill changes stops them flying the orca.
even more so if their only argument is because they don't use the orca for anything mining related; in which case, square peg, round hole, and this is the result. wasted sp.
you're tired, stop posting. |
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