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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14541
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:33:00 -
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My bad. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
274
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:33:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I smell a rat. No Golem KM, but did find this one that is nearly 3 years old. That's probably the "pirate" she encountered in a mission, before. Stealing her loot and successfully getting aggro.
The KM has been found and posted: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16832717 Although, not API verified, it looks legit. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2253
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:34:00 -
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Ok for a serious answer, hisec is a training ground for new players. New players don't fly Golems, and you were punished for driving a Ferrari waterjet in the local kiddie pool.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14541
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:35:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Mag's wrote:I smell a rat. No Golem KM, but did find this one that is nearly 3 years old. That's probably the "pirate" she encountered in a mission, before. Stealing her loot and successfully getting aggro. The KM has been found and posted: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16832717Although, not API verified, it looks legit. Indeed. I just find these threads kinda tiresome tbh, hence why I didn't pay much attention. I shall look better next time. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1219
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:35:00 -
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Roime wrote:Ok for a serious answer, hisec is a training ground for new players.
This is false. Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1084
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:36:00 -
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Roime wrote:Ok for a serious answer, hisec is a training ground for new players. New players don't fly Golems, and you were punished for driving a Ferrari waterjet in the local kiddie pool.
Try to be a bit more subtle next time.
Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
369
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:45:00 -
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evedawn wrote: Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen! [...] Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...
Engagment rules and mechanics are identical in any area of New Eden, high, low, null or wh. The only difference are the possible consequences.
This is a core design element in EVE.
If you can afford and pilot such a ship like in that killmail you're not entiteled to ignore this design logic.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1248
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:49:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Mag's wrote:I smell a rat. No Golem KM, but did find this one that is nearly 3 years old. That's probably the "pirate" she encountered in a mission before. Stealing her loot and successfully getting aggro. The KM has been found and posted: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16832717Although, not API verified, it looks legit.
ouch ... so much ISK in modules turned into space-dust. didn't even cover the BCs... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
916
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:57:00 -
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Yep this happens daily.
Summing the thread up: Few things to watch for flying anything expensive can get you unwanted attention resulting in an attempt to kill your ship.
- Undock and immediately turn everything shield/armor wise on, can save you is not guaranteed. - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM. Don't BM exactly on round numbers either. - When your mission is over, keep your hardners/shields whatever on, they may be waiting for you to dock. Having a jump to 0 bookmark on the stations top or bottom may help. - Keep your eyes on your surrounding, what is happening to who? Go to Dotlan find the place you're staying and look up the kills. From there mark those you think are "evil" in your people and places folder, then keep an eye on local, always. - Someone jumps in your mission and you fly something expensive? Get the frakk out yesterday. That little standing loss with your agent is not worth it. - Don't like to fly between so many high secs sharks? -> Move to a more quite system.
in the end you just have to accept that whenever you undock you are open for PvP. That is the nature of this game. Without that EVE would be really a boring game.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
374
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:04:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote: - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM
What? German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2256
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:08:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote: - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM
What?
He is from hisec, give the guy some slack.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Radamant Nemess
Caribbean Coke Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:15:00 -
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Checked killmail and it`s a really nice shield booster. Gank magnet actually.. And why the hell are you using cruise missiles on a torp boat?? Torps and target painters go well together i can fail at any speed you like |
Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
16
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:17:00 -
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evedawn wrote:Firstly what is the right section then?
Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!
The only thing that happened before was I got a pirate in a mission & laughed at him because he got shot from the mission pirates...
I never got a suspect flag & did not see any of them get blown up afterwards. I am still waiting to see battlelinic's report on the event.
Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...
The name is HIGH security, not PERFECT Security.
As in real life If i have a gun I can go out and kill anyone I want, I would just have to pay the price of going to jail (or worse depending on place). The only way to make that impossible is to not allow anyone to have weapons.
Eve is not a fantasy magical paradise where magical barriers make your guns work on some targets and not work on others. You have guns? Then you can use it on anything... you might be spanked for that, but you still can.
Want to take revenge? Put a bounty on those guys and go kil them or hire someoen to kill them |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
775
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:18:00 -
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Raging OP - check under performing faction fetish **** fit - check complete lack of understanding on the game - check tears - check
Good stuff. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
275
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:20:00 -
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Radamant Nemess wrote:Checked killmail and it`s a really nice shield booster. Gank magnet actually.. And why the hell are you using cruise missiles on a torp boat?? Torps and target painters go well together Because with cruise missiles he can sit still in his mission. Just shoot stuff and loot wrecks with a tractor beam. You don't really expect a mission runner to move, do you? |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
618
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:26:00 -
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evedawn wrote:Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.
and the nullbears keep whining about hi-sec being to safe... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13270
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:42:00 -
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dexington wrote:evedawn wrote:Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station. and the nullbears keep whining about hi-sec being to safe... GǪwhich it is if it takes a silly 3bn fit to get ganked.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1084
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:43:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote: - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM
What? Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry.
If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle.
So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle.
Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
63
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:51:00 -
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a mith is a lady moth. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
375
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:58:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote: - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM
What? If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle.. If the angel is the same, it should not matter how fare away the bookmark is. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
777
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:00:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote: - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM
What? Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry. If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle. So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle. Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks.
That makes zero sense because range as such has nothing to do with it, only angle. So if someone undocks at a certain angle and then burns away without correcting his path and makes a BM at 170 and 500km you'll get the same behaviour when you undock and use either of those BM's. One could argue that it would be easier to correct your BM direction when you're further away but that's not really true, it's about doing it right and not about how far it is from station.
There's of course a good reason to make a BM some 500-1000km away from station but it has nothing to do with your angle and everything to do with wanting to be off grid. For more info on undock bookmarks and other undocking tricks check my guides, link is in my sig.
Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:11:00 -
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...and THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why carebearing is bad.
All those sugary treats rot your socks and lower your IQ.
Someone plays a game for over 4 years, while somehow not bothering to actually learn anything about the game.
So please, please, next time you see a newbie, toss them in the deep end before they end up like this guy 4 years later. |
Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
38
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:20:00 -
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Dissatisfied customer is dissatisfied |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
619
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:21:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:...and THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why carebearing is bad.
Everyone is allowed to **** up once, it's only carebaring if you do it over and over, choosing not to except the reality of eve. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
820
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:27:00 -
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In some ways its down to user common sense, with over pimping ships and not being aware of your surroundings.
In other cases it's down to the horrible difference between PVP and PVE fits where in a PVE ship has to out of necessity sacrifice most of its EHP in order to achieve a worthwhile active tank. A PVP ship shields has to last maybe 30 seconds to a minute in a brawl and takes maybe 70k EHP damage. A PVE ship may absorb 10x that much damage over the course of a mission, or more but only have 20k EHP at any given time.
But so long as PVE missions are what they are, people will continue to fly ships which can be instapopped by a small group of nados. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1084
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:33:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Abrazzar wrote: Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry.
If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle.
So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle.
Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks.
That makes zero sense because range as such has nothing to do with it, only angle. So if someone undocks at a certain angle and then burns away without correcting his path and makes a BM at 170 and 500km you'll get the same behaviour when you undock and use either of those BM's. One could argue that it would be easier to correct your BM direction when you're further away but that's not really true, it's about doing it right and not about how far it is from station. There's of course a good reason to make a BM some 500-1000km away from station but it has nothing to do with your angle and everything to do with wanting to be off grid. For more info on undock bookmarks and other undocking tricks check my guides, link is in my sig. Guess I am thinking too much in triangles and not enough in vectors. I was always bad with vectors. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
619
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:37:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:But so long as PVE missions are what they are, people will continue to fly ships which can be instapopped by a small group of nados.
A small group of 5 nados should be able to instapop a marauder, especially if fitted for low ehp, it's all working as intended.
You are not safe in hi-sec, and flying something worth killing makes it even less safe.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:42:00 -
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I honestly thought it was a troll post until I saw this, the OP ticked so many carebear cliches. Poe's Law at work I guess. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2938
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:45:00 -
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This sounds like Thalia Eng, usually in a cynabal scanning ships, has caught you. Please send her my best wishes.
Thank you. :)
@Mr. Nemess
Osmon is also a nice place to grind mission runners and ice miners. Not that i do that, but i've been there and have seen it. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:50:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:In some ways its down to user common sense, with over pimping ships and not being aware of your surroundings.
In other cases it's down to the horrible difference between PVP and PVE fits where in a PVE ship has to out of necessity sacrifice most of its EHP in order to achieve a worthwhile active tank. A PVP ship shields has to last maybe 30 seconds to a minute in a brawl and takes maybe 70k EHP damage. A PVE ship may absorb 10x that much damage over the course of a mission, or more but only have 20k EHP at any given time.
But so long as PVE missions are what they are, people will continue to fly ships which can be instapopped by a small group of nados.
That's why an ISK tank is an option for mission ships. Without that 1.5bn Shield Booster, the Golem would make a much less tempting target.
However your EHP figures are off. A nekkid Golem would have 40k EHP. 60k EHP with the DC II. 80k with his hardeners on.
Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on. |
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