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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
821
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:58:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on.
That was the bit I mentioned about not being familiar with how things work. My point was more towards the preferred ganked mission ships which are the T3s. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13271
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:01:00 -
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Takseen wrote:However your EHP figures are off. A nekkid Golem would have 40k EHP. 60k EHP with the DC II. 80k with his hardeners on.
Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on. Afaik, killmails display HP, not EHP, so the only difference you'd ever see as far as tanking goes is if it has received a lot of local or remote repping before it pops. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5599
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:06:00 -
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I take it we have adressed that the OPs ship was profitable to gank right?
Also that the loot fairy said no. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:09:00 -
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evedawn wrote:Firstly what is the right section then?
Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!
The only thing that happened before was I got a pirate in a mission & laughed at him because he got shot from the mission pirates...
I never got a suspect flag & did not see any of them get blown up afterwards. I am still waiting to see battlelinic's report on the event.
Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...
They probably thought you were a good target and likely were fitted with lots of shiny faction mods which you would drop when destroyed thus making up for the loss of their BCs.
High sec isn't completely safe, I don't know where you got that impression. The fact that you have level 1.0 to 5.0 security ratings all encompassing high security should indicate to most people that high security isn't all the same.
Although you probably were a bit unlucky, eventually something like this was bound to happen to you, and hopefully this will be a good lesson to you in future. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:10:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Takseen wrote:Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on. That was the bit I mentioned about not being familiar with how things work. My point was more towards the preferred ganked mission ships which are the T3s.
The lower EHP is generally compensated for by the smaller sig radius. Of course nothing will save a Tengu pilot who fits like this |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Afaik, killmails display HP, not EHP, so the only difference you'd ever see as far as tanking goes is if it has received a lot of local or remote repping before it pops.
Oh right. Then he might have had his tank mods on.
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
619
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Also that the loot fairy said no.
sometimes the tears are worth a billion isk. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1249
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I take it we have adressed that the OPs ship was profitable to gank right?
Also that the loot fairy said no.
it almost makes me feel bad for the gankers all that poten...
... oh wait, just saw a few 'nados sell, nevermind. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Goldnut Sachs
9
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:34:00 -
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haha this thread not locked for humane reasons yet? |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:43:00 -
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If your going to a trade hub to buy eggs, bread, weapons, exotic dancers take a crappy ship, not your pimped ships. |
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
344
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:44:00 -
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Boo hoo ?
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1112
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:48:00 -
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Definition of MITH
chiefly Scottish variant of might
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mith Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
106
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:evedawn wrote:I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!! 0/10 Quote:If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely No, you should not. Or, wellGǪ yes you should, and you are. You have all the tools at your disposal, but in the end, you are the one who has to make that happen GÇö not the game. This whole GÇ£sandboxGÇ¥ thing does not mean that you can do what you want GÇö it means everyone can do what they want, which will include stuff you don't want them to do (to you). It is up to you to ensure that they can't do those things. Quote:Is that true? Is High Sec a mith? No. Partly because there is no such thing, and partly because you're confusing the relative word GÇ£highGÇ¥ with the absolute word GÇ£totalGÇ¥. Security in highsec is high. It is not complete. You have to tend to your own safety relative to the insecurity left by it merely being at a GÇ£highGÇ¥ level.
technically high sec isnt even high "security" as that would imply that theres guards around you who may get shot and killed and fail to defend you but they may beat back the attacker just fine. I'd consider it more of a "NPC Avenge-me sec" in that the "illegal" aggressor loses thier ship for thier unwarranted attack
to the OP you said you saw a pirate in your mission pocket and they were killed by the npcs, was this immediately prior to the incident of attack on your? Just wondering cause if they blew up and you looted something from the wreck that would make you free game for that pilot and i believe his entire corp (or does yellow wreck looting make you open target for all now?) |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:53:00 -
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I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.
I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.
People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem. |
Lin Suizei
116
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:55:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.
"It"'s not a problem.
Xeros S*** > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S**** > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the ****** pvp
Welcome to faction war. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:57:00 -
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Guessing this is what the op meant.
myth /miTH/Noun 1.A traditional story, esp. one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically... 2.Such stories collectively.
Synonyms fable - legend
English is not everyones first language. Cut people some slack. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6535
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:57:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Boo hoo ?
I'd have gone with diddums
Undocking from a station in a mission hub, flying a 3 billion isk ammunition magnet, while thinking that you were immune to other players, in an open PvP MMO renowned for its brutality and the ability for other players to ruin your day, and then whining about it on the forums shows a level of stupid that's generally only seen in those who wish that Eve was a single player game. Highsec is not safe, it is merely safer than everywhere else.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1474
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:58:00 -
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lulz
The high sec crowd (a few individuals in particular) always pop up to tell me I'm evil for telling folks that EVE just isn't the right game for them. Well, I'm sorry, but it's true, some people just aren't cut out to play EVE online or any pvp game where they can lose stuff.
The OP is bad. What's worse though is that their are plenty of experienced, veteran high sec players who think exactly the way the OP does.
Like "High" sec should mean "perfectly safe" sec, or that people should be able to "screw with you" unless you screw with them (or leave high sec) 1st etc etc. If y'all really don't like the things that are at the heart of EVE online, my best advice is to make the transition form "very dissatisfied customer" to "ex-customer". |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:58:00 -
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Lin Suizei wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem. "It"'s not a problem.
Seem to be a problem for the subscribing OP as well as others like him/her |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13274
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:59:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable. Why not? If someone presents a crapton of valuable loot in a easy-to-shoot ship, it sure as hell should be profitable to go after him.
Quote:People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. They don't have to be. They just have to be smart about it and adjust their flying to fit what they choose to undock in.
Quote:Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem. It's not a problem to begin with, so there's nothing to remove.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1474
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:02:00 -
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evedawn wrote:
Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!
Above all, EVE is a game that demands a kind of personal responsibility. It was YOUR responsibility to learn the in and outs of the game BEFORE undocking 3 billion isk worth of spaceship. The game (and CCP) didn't fail you, YOU failed you.
Quote: Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...
Every game that is worth playing favors a skilled aggressor, otherwise it wouldn't be a game. And really, "bully training"? Why were you flying a space ship with missile launchers on it if you think the world should be happy happy sunshine?
You're a real piece of work, mate.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1474
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:10:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.
I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.
People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.
Perfect case in point. This poster thinks EVE would be better if it weren't EVE.
In EVE, you should not fly what you cannot afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose the big shiney ship, you should not undock. I run incursions in a 3 billion isk Machariel, and if i don't have 3 billion isk in a wallet somewhere or at least 3 bil worth of stuff i can sell and don't need), i don't undock it at all, because even though it's rare, ship losses can happen in high sec incursions.
When I lost a vindicator in an incursions, I had the isk on hand to buy at least 1 more, and did so 20 minutes later. If a person can't do that but still flys shiney ships, their fault when they can't replace it.
And yes, ganking should be profitable if the targeted player:
A- undocks a ship full o shiney
and
B- does not take proper precautions/safety measures before undocking.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6535
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:26:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.
I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.
People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.
CCP already nerfed suicide ganking profitabilty by removing the insurance payout from ships that get Concordokkened, crimewatch 2.0 has also affected it by giving killrights for initial aggression rather than actual destruction and global combat flagging for acts that previously only gave combat flagging to an affected group of players. I don't see many threads by the gankers bemoaning the changes, initially there was some whining, but they've adapted to the new dynamic and still successfully ply their trade in highsec, maybe the gankees should take a leaf from their book and do the same.
Highsec is technically safer now than it has been at any time in the past, and some people are still asking for it to be safer still, they are the people that would kill Eve, given half a chance, and turn it into a vague copy of what it once was.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1227
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:37:00 -
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So,
Considering the OP has been concorded before. And hasn't posted since page one, I'll say decent job on troll for making 5 pages. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
619
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:44:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.
Then don't fit modules that make it profitable, you are just giving people and incentive to kill you. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Sorlac
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:48:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Lin Suizei wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem. "It"'s not a problem. Seem to be a problem for the subscribing OP as well as others like him/her
Then the problem is they subscribed to the wrong game; maybe they should have done just a little bit of research into the game before buying it.
If the OP had taken just a few precautionary measures they never would have been ganked to begin with. Hopefully they will take this opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and not expect to be coddled in the future. |
Theron Vetrus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:06:00 -
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evedawn wrote:If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do?????
Osmon is a well-known mission hub and ice mining system. By definition, it is also therefore a prime target for piracy. CCP has already gone above and beyond helping carebears protect their ships. The rest is up to you.
Being a budding pirate myself, I will let you in on a little secret: Mission runners can be summed up in one word - predictable. Next time, don't make yourself such an easy target. Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
78
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: ...lots of good points...
Highsec is technically safer now than it has been at any time in the past, and some people are still asking for it to be safer still, they are the people that would kill Eve, given half a chance, and turn it into a vague copy of what it once was.
This is why the road to nerfdom and scourge of carebear advocacy must be stopped dead in its tracks, each time its head appears like whack-a-mole we must knock it down.
We must as a community stop the ever continuing nerfs to hisec tear collection. Carebears think they are safe, they are not and never should be.
While CCP claims to agree with this philosophy, over time the actions (nerfs) taken prove otherwise with a worrying trend. http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1149
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:45:00 -
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Posting in stealth nerf-hisec thread. False-flag carebear alt of a nullbear is obvious. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Zark Darkfigure
Special Krauts And Tactics Synergy of Steel
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:59:00 -
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Thxs for the applause Thxs for the shitstorm Thxs for the wonderful carebeartearshower Thxs for motivation Thxs for the lols
we wondered why there is no crying, but this thread will fill our bios for decades
Osmon carebears need to get their fur shaved to milk more valuable tears
carebeartears is like spice, it fuels us
Plz donate bounty if you like our ganking art... |
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