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horpaskron Republic Industries Synergy of Steel 4	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:09:00 - [91] - Quote As a neutral third party that has been observing this thread i wish the TO my best of luck. These people safed your soul! As a matter of fact, YOU were going to fight in a mission. Possibly dozens of Battleships on the other side. And YOU were going to kill every single crewmen by blowing up every single ship. This is a horrible death indeed. What my friends did was in a way, stop a serial killer (aka YOU) from killing more people. WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS! 1 dead ship vs. thousands of crewmen... A good choice!
Namdor Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:09:00 - [92] - Quote evedawn wrote: A Very Dissatisfied player!!! Oh, no! Stay where you are, someone from the customer satisfaction assurance team will be with you shortly. Quote: Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station. Good. Quote: What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots??? Well, the point of wardecs is to allow them to do the same thing without getting Concordokkened. It's all about tradeoffs, in Eve. Quote: I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!! I can think of five people who disagree with you, though. Quote: I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke! CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game? If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do????? Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith??? No, high sec is not a myth. It's a real place. It just doesn't mean what you think it means. Supermax prisons are "high security" areas, too. People still get shivved there, though, right?
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1479	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:12:00 - [93] - Quote horpaskron wrote: As a neutral third party that has been observing this thread i wish the TO my best of luck. These people safed your soul! As a matter of fact, YOU were going to fight in a mission. Possibly dozens of Battleships on the other side. And YOU were going to kill every single crewmen by blowing up every single ship. This is a horrible death indeed. What my friends did was in a way, stop a serial killer (aka YOU) from killing more people. WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS! 1 dead ship vs. thousands of crewmen... A good choice! Well, played sir! +1
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 177	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:13:00 - [94] - Quote Tippia wrote: HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable. Why not? If someone presents a crapton of valuable loot in a easy-to-shoot ship, it sure as hell should be profitable to go after him. Quote: People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. They don't have to be. They just have to be smart about it and adjust their flying to fit what they choose to undock in. Quote: Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem. It's not a problem to begin with, so there's nothing to remove. So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship? Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked. Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked. They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships. You guys scream risk vs reward non stop on these forum. This should be no different. Gankers should not be able to use little effort and destroy high value targets.
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 177	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:19:00 - [95] - Quote Sorlac wrote: HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Lin Suizei wrote: HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem. "It"'s not a problem. Seem to be a problem for the subscribing OP as well as others like him/her Then the problem is they subscribed to the wrong game; maybe they should have done just a little bit of research into the game before buying it. If the OP had taken just a few precautionary measures they never would have been ganked to begin with. Hopefully they will take this opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and not expect to be coddled in the future. Thats your opinion and your entitled to it no matter how wrong. People need a sence of balance in any game. This is not balanced at this point. People can fit high dps low cost fits and make a profit. Let em make thier profit in low/null. Oh wait they cant because people are fit and ready for pvp thier most times. They may get thier arse handed to them.
Namdor Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:21:00 - [96] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship? Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked. Uh... if they're smart, it is very unlikely that will get ganked. "Smart" could be accomplished any number of ways in this scenario. -Don't needlessly bling your mission ship. This will make you an unattractive target and, thus, unlikely to be ganked. -If you do needlessly bling your mission ship, use instant-undocks when leaving the station and keep an eye on your D-scan for combat probes/nearby ships while you're in your missions. This will not give you perfect safety, but your'e not supposed to have perfect safety. It will keep you generally safe, howerver. Quote: Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked. Otherwise known as a "personal problem". It's not a problem for the GAME that they got ganked. It's a problem for them, and only for them. Quote: They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships. If it's so important to them, they should take some simple common-sense steps to protect it.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1084	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:25:00 - [97] - Quote evedawn wrote: A Very Dissatisfied player!!! Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station. What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots??? I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!! I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke! CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game? If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do????? Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith??? This is the wrong game to be saying this. This is not a signature.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 923	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:25:00 - [98] - Quote *ahem taloses and nados cost a lot the dps/concord calculations have to be correct, everyone has to do their part, the target mustn't have support. the gank does have chances of failure even then the expensive target mods may simply not drop failure means the entire gank squad (which costs a lot) is lost gankers make it look easy when they're competent and experienced and when the gank is 'just for the mail', what 'reward' are we talking about? there is none. unless you want to try to put an isk value on a kill report? something that can never be sold?
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 503	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:29:00 - [99] - Quote evedawn wrote: A Very Dissatisfied player!!! Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station. What is the point of wardec's or faction warfare if you can get a team of 5 guys in high Sec with heavy fitted Teir 3 BC's & insta pop a 3 bil isk ship who has no connection with these idiots??? I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!! I have worked hard & long hours to earn this ship for a easy kill from someone I didnt even know existed & thought just because they could pop me for being in the same place they were in, a supposidly "High Security" area.......... JOKE Joke! CCP a very serious question if you wont honest missionaries to wont to play this game? If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely if that is the way you supposedly are saying I am able to do????? Is that true???? Is High Sec a mith??? Instapopped in a Golem? Wasn't paying attention? Didn't see people locking you? Didn't turn on your hardeners? Ganking expensive ships to get a good drop is a well known passtime in highsec, you should at least pay attention to your surroundings.. The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today! Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1084	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:29:00 - [100] - Quote Just checked OP Eve birth date: 2008 Has to be a troll, and a poor one at that. I do not normally insult folk in Eve, but in this case I am seriously tempted. This is not a signature.
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 6549	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:31:00 - [101] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship? Fitting or carrying high value items makes you a target, don't like it? then don't do it. Quote: Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked. And your point is? Quote: Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked. They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships. The only problem I see is that the OP expected to be immune from the actions of other players in an open ended PvP multiplayer game, 5x fitted tier 3 battle cruisers comes out at the best part of 3/4 billion Isk if not more, so not exactly cheap either. Quote: You guys scream risk vs reward non stop on these forum. This should be no different. Gankers should not be able to use little effort and destroy high value targets. Coordinating a 5 player gank takes a considerable amount of effort, not a little. I can pretty much guarantee that the gank operation took a fair amount of prior planning, which involved ship scanning potential targets, making sure that all the required pilots were in the right place, with the right equipment, at the right time to carry the operation off without a hitch, all of which are effort. Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it.
Skeln Thargensen Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp 65	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:32:00 - [102] - Quote it's really a mithstery why you aren't the one laughing here. they got robbed. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1481	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:36:00 - [103] - Quote Namdor wrote: If it's so important to them, they should take some simple common-sense steps to protect it. How dare you suggest Effort!? Don't you know how many missions and incursions those people had to run to get all that bling, they should have a right to be immune to all but similarly blingy ships! Just like in real life. I mean it's not as if you can shoot down a billion dollar jet fighter with a 100 dollar hand held missile. That would be wrong and would mean life and reality are unbalanced.
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 217	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:40:00 - [104] - Quote Mith? You mean like Mithril like the elves wear? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
horpaskron Republic Industries Synergy of Steel 5	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:40:00 - [105] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Namdor wrote: If it's so important to them, they should take some simple common-sense steps to protect it. How dare you suggest Effort!? Don't you know how many missions and incursions those people had to run to get all that bling, they should have a right to be immune to all but similarly blingy ships! Just like in real life. I mean it's not as if you can shoot down a billion dollar jet fighter with a 100 dollar hand held missile. That would be wrong and would mean life and reality are unbalanced. Damn.... I LIKE!!! ^^
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1084	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:46:00 - [106] - Quote Well at least she got the pvp bit right. http://evewho.com/corp/Pacific+Glori+NZ This is not a signature.
Yabba Addict Red Shift Enterprises 58	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:51:00 - [107] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry. If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle. So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle. Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks. That makes zero sense because range as such has nothing to do with it, only angle. So if someone undocks at a certain angle and then burns away without correcting his path and makes a BM at 170 and 500km you'll get the same behaviour when you undock and use either of those BM's. One could argue that it would be easier to correct your BM direction when you're further away but that's not really true, it's about doing it right and not about how far it is from station. There's of course a good reason to make a BM some 500-1000km away from station but it has nothing to do with your angle and everything to do with wanting to be off grid. For more info on undock bookmarks and other undocking tricks check my guides, link is in my sig. Guess I am thinking too much in triangles and not enough in vectors. I was always bad with vectors. Actually angle does have something to do with it, it's all about how ships undock now. Before stations always spat you out in exactly the same direction, nowadays they have a slight varitation on the angle that you come out with, preventing instas as they used to be. So now you ship has to do a correction every time you want to jump to the insta, and the further away it is, the shallower the angle and so smaller correction before warp.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 359	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:52:00 - [108] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Posting in stealth nerf-hisec thread. False-flag carebear alt of a nullbear is obvious. Unless the killmail is removed for lack of verification, I doubt it.
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us 1120	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:54:00 - [109] - Quote -10/10. No seriously this is awful. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2981	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:57:00 - [110] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Thats your opinion and your entitled to it no matter how wrong. People need a sence of balance in any game. This is not balanced at this point. People can fit high dps low cost fits and make a profit. Only if the people being ganked make it profitable for them. I can't think of a single unfit ship that's profitable to gank just for the salvage from hull. Quote: Let em make thier profit in low/null. Oh wait they cant because people are fit and ready for pvp thier most times. They may get thier arse handed to them. So what, exactly, is stopping you from fitting for PvP in HS and kicking their ass there? Gank ships tend to have really low EHP, so you shouldn't have much trouble killing them before their target dies... if you're as prepared as they are. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Tiberius StarGazer StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration 308	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:03:00 - [111] - Quote l0rd carlos wrote: Pak Narhoo wrote: - Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM What? Fly out of a station to 500km or more and then make a bookmark. When you undock you right click and warp to bookmark. The velocity your traveling at when you leave the station means you pretty much warp instantly, usually before anyone has a chance to lock and fire on you. Distance has no bearing on align time, but velocity does. You set it to 500km+ because it usually means your our of visual overview range. Common tactic in low and null to avoid gate campers, useful when flying shiny ships in high to save your arse from gankers.
Kaivar Lancer Federal Defense Union 251	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:07:00 - [112] - Quote Yah, high security does not mean total security. I lost 1B in goods a few years ago when I hauled in a cargo-fitted, tissue-armored Itty. I learned my lesson the hard way. But that's Eve, and that's why this game is awesome. Just remember that this is a game. Fly well.
Zark Darkfigure Special Krauts And Tactics Synergy of Steel 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:13:00 - [113] - Quote How dare you to walk around in shiny bling in our hood and dont even donate for our war funds??? How can you think you wont get your shiny i-pad, shoes and jacket ripped in the dark corner of eve??? What else to do with positive sec stat but ganking it down to get a reason to rat it up again??? Aint that the circle of eve-life???
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13278	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:26:00 - [114] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship? Oh, I understand the difference: there is none. You fill your ship with valuables; you make yourself a valuable target; and if you don't take the precautions that need to come with it, you get ganked and lose your valuables. Whether you choose to put the valuables in your cargo hold or in your slots is utterly and completely irrelevant. It is as it should be. Quote: Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked. GÇªwhich was dumb of him. So yes, being smart has a lot to do with it. A smart person would avoid putting themselves in a position where they're worth ganking, and if they do choose that for whatever reason, they take the precautions needed to avoid being ganked. Quote: Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked. Then they should solve their problem, because that's where the problem is: with them. It is not a problem with the game. Quote: They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships. Yes they should. If they worked that hard to make their big nice shiny ship, they should take care of it. It should always be vulnerable to low-cost high-DPS ships because cost is not a factor in balance. If they spend a bajillion on a ship fit that offers no protection, and the other guy spends a bottlecap and a piece of gum on a fit that delivers massive DPS, the latter should always win, or there's something properly wrong with the balance. Quote: People need a sence of balance in any game. Yes, please do. Cost is not a balancing factor. Costly ships going poof to cheap ships is balance. People making mint of other people's inability to protect their assets is balance. People being idiots and making themselves worth-while to kill is not a balance problem GÇö quite the opposite: it's proof positive that the game is working as it should. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Mayhaw Morgan State War Academy Caldari State 63	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:33:00 - [115] - Quote Believe it or not, OP, you won the fight. The gankers probably lost the better part of a billion ISK ganking your Golem, and they didn't get your shield booster (or your pod, from the looks of it). Is "high sec" a myth? No way. In low sec, they might have pulled that off with 1 Tornado or Talos. They wouldn't necessarily have lost a ship. They wouldn't have killrights hanging around their necks. In null, if you'd been in a bubble, they would have gotten your pod, too, almost guaranteed. Losing a ship always sucks, even just a shuttle, but it would suck far worse if you had paid them to kill you. You fitted your ship smart by not putting stupid amounts of bling onto it. You dangled a shiny object in front of them. They gambled. They lost. It may not be satisfying, but sometimes, this is what winning looks like. In the real world, a 39 cent bullet can negate an Albert Einstein. The doers of violence have the advantage. EVE is just a reflection of that real-life imbalance. One thing you may not be appreciating is that it took coordination and planning to pull off such an attack. There were at least 6 characters (5 shooters + 1 loot scooper). Someone locked and scanned your ship. (Maybe you noticed. Maybe you didn't.) Someone added up the value of all your ship's modules to determine if it was even worth trying to gank. People bought and fitted those Tier 3 BCs, etc., etc., etc. All of that effort was negated by a simple flip of a coin. I'm surprised the gankers aren't the ones on here complaining.
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 177	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:48:00 - [116] - Quote Namdor wrote: HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So you dont understand the difference between carrying around a bunch of loot or fitting your ship? Smart has nothing to do with it. This person could be running a mission and get ganked. Uh... if they're smart, it is very unlikely that will get ganked. "Smart" could be accomplished any number of ways in this scenario. -Don't needlessly bling your mission ship. This will make you an unattractive target and, thus, unlikely to be ganked. -If you do needlessly bling your mission ship, use instant-undocks when leaving the station and keep an eye on your D-scan for combat probes/nearby ships while you're in your missions. This will not give you perfect safety, but you're not supposed to have perfect safety. It will keep you generally safe, however. Avoid stargates and you will be EXTREMELY safe, even in a blinged ship. Quote: Again it is a problem for the people getting ganked. Otherwise known as a "personal problem". It's not a problem for the GAME that they got ganked. It's a problem for them, and only for them. Quote: They worked hard to make thier big nice shiny ships and they shouldnt be vunerable to a few low cost high dps fit ships. If it's so important to them, they should take some simple common-sense steps to protect it. Not a personal problem when they pay thier monthly fee just like you and I do.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1152	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:50:00 - [117] - Quote I propose removing CONCORD protection for people who can't spell "myth" correctly or know the difference between "sense" and "sence" (hint: one of them isn't even a real word). EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1370	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:51:00 - [118] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I propose removing CONCORD protection for people who can't spell "myth" correctly or know the difference between "sense" and "sence" (hint: one of them isn't even a real word). I propose removing CONCORD. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 177	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:54:00 - [119] - Quote Tippia, Smart has zero to do with it. People who are brilliant at this game can and do fall victim to this game flaw. You can and will argue all you want but it still wont change the truth or the facts. It is what it is at the moment. Needs fixed. People will not gank high value non cargo carrying ships if they loose money.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13280	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:54:00 - [120] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Not a personal problem when they pay thier monthly fee just like you and I do. They made the mistake. The game is working as intended. The problem is with them GÇö i.e. it's a personal problem. The solution is for them to stop making the mistakes that get them killed. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.

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