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Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:50:00 -
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Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening: This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
Ah the old "it was a troll!!lolol" when backed up against a wall.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4002
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:50:00 -
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Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally: Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing.
Thanks, dude. And I 100% agree. Either Fod's statements are unacceptable conduct for a would-be CSM member, in which case he should simply be disqualified for the race, or its a matter of free speech and social accountability, and he should be left uncensored as long as he is not targeting individual players for harassment or anything specifically violating forum rules.
By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1428
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:52:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:he should simply be disqualified for the race Just saying... I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Dramani Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:52:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote: I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue. Are you saying that there are certain "racial truths" you wish them to be educated of?
I'm saying that if CCP fails to see anything wrong with this candidate and his campaign, maybe he should get into the final 14. Maybe giving this guy a pulpit would raise some media attention which in turn would teach CCP a lesson for the next time someone with his views attempts to run. As you well know, when it comes to PR, CCP is a slow learner. |
Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:53:00 -
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Richard Bong wrote: Ah the old "it was a troll!!lolol" when backed up against a wall.
Please get some reading comprehension skills. If you stop eating mcdonalds and switch to something healthy it may help. I clearly said that video was a response to the trolling campaign.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1726
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:54:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Quoting my opening post here: Quote:Finally, scandalmongering and backstage steps of blob apologists were thoroughly in line with their game views. They were smart enough to see a threat coming to their interests. If anything, it would have been really surprising to see plush villains missing an opportunity to clamour against real-life "evil", which "surely" saves one a hassle of having a discussion on the matter itself. These people can only praise someone utterly toothless who won't cause much trouble - a yesterday's newbie with little to none success beyond mere frigs will fit perfectly, the more so if his most significant "threat" posed to blobs is defined as "nerf gang-links". So take any attempts of subpar discussion as granted I personally had expected just that, that's why I tried my best at addressing the broad number of issues right from the start, before trolling would prevail and make a constructive talk simply impossible.
This just in: anyone against being a neo-**** is just scaremongering to try to defend their in-game opinions.
That's all it is folks, we can carry on with our lives. We're just unfairly biased against "real life evil." - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:54:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally:
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing. Thanks, dude. And I 100% agree. Either Fod's statements are unacceptable conduct for a would-be CSM member, in which case he should simply be disqualified for the race, or its a matter of free speech and social accountability, and he should be left uncensored as long as he is not targeting individual players for harassment or anything specifically violating forum rules. By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache.
But they didn't? They left all the relevant comments quoted in other comments calling him out. I'd say they did a fairly good job.
(Totally not discussing moderation here, I'm humbly kissing ass)
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Father Snuggles wrote: To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case, are relevant to this threat. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
Generally, yes. Which is why I tried to leave comments that touched on that subject mostly alone, unlesss they were in reply(quoted) other non acceptable comments. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4003
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:58:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Father Snuggles wrote: To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case, are relevant to this threat. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
Generally, yes. Which is why I tried to leave comments that touched on that subject mostly alone, unlesss they were in reply(quoted) other non acceptable comments.
Fair enough. I stand corrected. (And admit that I haven't read through every single post in the thread.) Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:01:00 -
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Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening: This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
Well shucks, that must make it that much more shameful for him then when people like me calling him "names" prevents him from being elected to the CSM, despite being "1000x better than me".
I have firmly been put in my place. |
Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:03:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache. Majority of russian voters know Fon's background and actually don't care (or don't vote if they care about RL stuff and not about spaceships). Moreover, they don't even read this topic and never will for obvious reasons (poor english and lack of content in goon propaganda). Same goes for average Joe-the-Voter. He will newer go through TL;DR program and will choose any other candidate with generic program (asteroids for miners, nullsec for alliances, holes for wormholers etc.)
And once again, raging CSM members completely ignoring goonswarm racist ingame behaviour. Hypocrisy at maximum.
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
422
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:03:00 -
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In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business. Kick Heim... MATE |
Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:03:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote: Well shucks, that must make it that much more shameful for him then when people like me calling him "names" prevents him from being elected to the CSM, despite being "1000x better than me".
I have firmly been put in my place.
Indeed. You've shown not only lack of in-game but also lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
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Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:05:00 -
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It's all moot anyway. There are far too many outlets with slow news cycles who'd love to fill space with a story about EVE Online electing a bona fide fascist as a community liaison. And, if this thread is any indication, there are plenty of players who'd like to spread the word (one way or the other). I doubt CCP has either the inclination or the time to mount an eloquent defence of free speech rights in an international context, nor would they want to be associated with defending someone was colourful as Fon Revedhort.
I can already see the headlines... "Fascism in the Stars" "New Eden's New Neo-**** CSM" "Arbeit Macht Frei Speech"
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3878
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:07:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business.
Any more it almost seems as if some people want to deliberately push things as far as humanly possible.
Then throw fits that their 'rights' have been violated.
edit: you throw enough literal 'crap' on the coals and it will eventually catch fire. People bring this nonsense upon themselves. As if Fon 'had no idea' there would be a majority of players with issues with him. Riiiiiiiight. Mm-hmmm. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1033
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:08:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote: Same goes for average Joe-the-Voter. He will newer go through TL;DR program and will choose any other candidate with generic program (asteroids for miners, nullsec for alliances, holes for wormholers etc.)
Thanks for the tip, editing the heading to reflect that.
And yes, I lol'ed. My campaign for CSM 8 |
Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:10:00 -
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Rythm wrote:Richard Bong wrote: Ah the old "it was a troll!!lolol" when backed up against a wall.
Please get some reading comprehension skills. If you stop eating mcdonalds and switch to something healthy it may help. I clearly said that video was a response to the trolling campaign.
You could almost say he "trolled" them back. [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |
Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:11:00 -
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Rythm wrote: You've shown (...) lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
- The guy using 'lol' as punctuation while calling people 'college dropouts'.
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Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:12:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business. They may as well abolish CSM completely, because there is no point in election, if you can remove unpopular winners at your pleasure. With 2 removed members in a row CSM will lose all remaining credibility. Personally I'd rather have more confident developers like Fozzie, than circus called CSM, with drama on every election.
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Vampy bat
Prussia Group Meracom
15
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:18:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! 4/10 for bad taste Mynnna is dead against this as it would ultimately end up a troll of him when he had to work with him.
That's a pitty. Understandable, but a pitty nonetheless.
To quote Jean Rostand , "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
Forget the god part. But this takes me back to about one year ago at fanfest. The Mittani, because drunkingly suggested someone should be assisted in his suicide, is painted as a murderer. Move forwards to the present and someone suggests killing millions for the defence of a culture of binging on vodka, and he's a conquerer. Never mind being cuddled and protected by CCP, and even enjoying the CCP's invisible hand on his CSM campaign, by eliminating the most outrageous bits from his posts so anyone reading it now fails to see anything wrong with Fon's platform.
As a game, Eve may be a sanbox. But the CSM election has clearly been turned into a theme park. |
Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:20:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:Rythm wrote: You've shown (...) lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
- The guy using 'lol' as punctuation while calling people 'college dropouts'.
Are you hurt by the "college dropout" namecalling? Would you like to talk about it?
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:27:00 -
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Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Rythm wrote: You've shown (...) lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
- The guy using 'lol' as punctuation while calling people 'college dropouts'. Are you hurt by the "college dropout" namecalling? Would you like to talk about it? Also you've conviniently omitted 100+ page thread about goonswarm racist drivel. care to explain?
Your inability to make even the most basic connection between quotes nested within eachother is beyond mind-blowing.
Also, goons don't go to college, like, duh, lol, kekeke^^ (-.-)" etc.
(you see, I'm trying to connect wih you here) |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
424
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:30:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business. They may as well abolish CSM completely, because there is no point in election, if you can remove unpopular winners at your pleasure. With 2 removed members in a row CSM will lose all remaining credibility. Personally I'd rather have more confident developers like Fozzie, than circus called "CSM" with drama on every election.
Abolishing the CSM would be unfortunate, and in my opinion, a bad move.
The CSM is a very unique and commendable thing to have in place, other game developers would kill to have such a close relationship with their playerbase, and up till now it's a very positive thing for EVE and CCP to have. After 10 years of existence, with EVE being how it is, with such a huge emphasis on community and working together for "emergent content"... it would be naive not to have some sort of community representation.
But with the employ of such community facing developers such as Fozzie, Falcon, Dolan, and Rise, the community interaction from developers is as high as it's ever been. This almost serves to trivialise the role of the CSM (not intentionally of course), but I think CCP really needs to take a hard look at what they want the CSM to be... lest we have more D3's who serve just to prove a point and cause a headache for genuine progress.
Kick Heim... MATE |
Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:32:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:Also, goons don't go to college, like, duh, lol, kekeke^^ (-.-)" etc. (you see, I'm trying to connect wih you here) Don't be shy. We well aware about common goon dictionary with pubbies, jewballs and N-,F- words.
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
424
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:34:00 -
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Vampy bat wrote:
... As a game, Eve may be a sanbox. But the CSM election has clearly been turned into a theme park.
QFT
Kick Heim... MATE |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
126
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:49:00 -
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OK, just deleted another sub thread.
Please keep this on-topic.....saying someone else is bad or rather not good does not make you better, and linking to threads over 3 years old that do not involve the OP.....
No.
If you want to discuss the OP's attempt at candidacy do it here.
For a meta-discussion about whether CCP should allow the candidacy there is a thread for that: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220032&find=unread
Keep it clean there too.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1473
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:51:00 -
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No I'm pretty sure I can unequivocally say that I'm better than him. |
duckmonster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:03:00 -
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ISD Cura Ursus wrote:OK, just deleted another sub thread.
Please keep this on-topic.....saying someone else is bad or rather not good does not make you better, and linking to threads over 3 years old that do not involve the OP.....
Not pointing out a known neo-**** is 'bad' is actually irresponsible. In 2004 the office I work in IRL had its windows smashed out by a neo-**** group, around the same time they bombed my local chinese resturant. Last year they opened fire on the local mosque, 1 block from my house.. Of course being a white south-african australian I'm not their target list. Their actual targets, asian dudes, black dudes and so on cop a far more violent reality from these people.
Allowing someone who follows these beliefs to even participate in a CSM election represents an abrogation of CCPs responsibilities to a safe environment for Eve online players who have a reasonable expectation that the terrorists they encounter are only role-players or trolls, and not the real deal. What sort of message does it send people of color, ***** players, jewish players and so on that someone who advocates an ideology that would have them murdered is permitted a shot to participate in how their game time works. And even worse , are we actually intending that POC/*****/Jewish/etc players not be able to run in case they end up in iceland with someone who's general political life goal is they be murdered? |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
834
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:06:00 -
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Now now, you have to respect everyone's views, even views that would see you dying horribly along with everyone else with your skin color. Because that's what's fair. Reading the EVEO forums is like huffing gas or sniffing glue. Sure it's funny and you get high, but you pay a terrible, terrible price in the long run. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3886
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:08:00 -
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duckmonster wrote:
edit: Why the hell is Q ueer censored? Seriously?
Because the filter for that is primitive. I can't even type the names of the authors Phillip K. **** or ***** (rhymes with Annie) Flagg. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:11:00 -
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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! Seeing as CCP just keeps on sweeping crap under the rug and allow this guy to run, I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue.
How the **** is this not deleted for overt racism exactly?
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