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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:10:00 -
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Since this thread is now mass-spammed, I'm taking my opportunity to remind you that you can use eve-mail to ask questions. My campaign for CSM 8 |
Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate. This may come as a shock, but not every country has American Freedom of Speech or Association laws. Also I'm pretty sure personal freedoms have never been more expansive than they are today so . . .
Fon Revedhort wrote:Since this thread is now mass-spammed, I'm taking my opportunity to remind you that you can use eve-mail to ask questions. Hey Fon I have a question: What are your views on racial equality? |
Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:11:00 -
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So...how about this Fon Revedhort dude, huh? |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:11:00 -
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And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has "The term discrimination first entered EU discourse in the form of its prohibition on the basis of nationality in Article 18 TFEU. Article 19 TFEU, introduced as Article 13 EC by the Treaty of Amsterdam, extended the grounds on which discrimination is prohibited to sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age and sexual orientation. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, as enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, includes in Article 21(1) a general prohibition of GÇÿany discrimination based on any ground, such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientationGÇÖ." as I said care to find me one that says organisations have the right to discriminate? article 52, section 3, means the scope of the right that you're citing (since it is enumating rights laid out in the EHCR) is the same as it is in the EHCR, and in that case it's strictly a prohibition against governmental discrimination |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:12:00 -
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Amon Kadon wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate. This may come as a shock, but not every country has American Freedom of Speech or Association laws. Also I'm pretty sure personal freedoms have never been more expansive than they are today so . . . Fon Revedhort wrote:Since this thread is now mass-spammed, I'm taking my opportunity to remind you that you can use eve-mail to ask questions. Hey Fon I have a question: What are your views on racial equality? All I can say is you are a US citizen born in the 80s or afterwards, did I get that right.
Go read the patriot act. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
168
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
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Is it just me who finds it somewhat funny that the goons in this thread (People who, by popular belief and stereotype at least, are trying to ruin everyone else's gaming experience, make them commit suicide, gank HS people for fun because goons are sociopaths, psychopaths and psychophants etc etc etc...) are the ones with the reasoned, humane, civilised viewpoints, and the HS miner or whatever (By popular belief and stereotype, calm, civlised, law-abiding, minding-their-own-business etc) is the neonazi sympathiser? It really makes you think, doesn't it...
Anyway, I'll vote for someone else. The largest problem, to me at least, is that with so few candidates, if every vote was cast purely at random, he'd have roughly 50/50 to get in. Mad world, innit? |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has "The term discrimination first entered EU discourse in the form of its prohibition on the basis of nationality in Article 18 TFEU. Article 19 TFEU, introduced as Article 13 EC by the Treaty of Amsterdam, extended the grounds on which discrimination is prohibited to sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age and sexual orientation. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, as enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, includes in Article 21(1) a general prohibition of GÇÿany discrimination based on any ground, such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientationGÇÖ." as I said care to find me one that says organisations have the right to discriminate? article 52, section 3, means the scope of the right that you're citing (since it is enumating rights laid out in the EHCR) is the same as it is in the EHCR, and in that case it's strictly a prohibition against governmental discrimination Shame I am not quoting from there but you are obviously under the belief that anyone who is not a government can discriminate. So I will no longer try to break your illusion. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. all parts of all democratic countries, to be specific
if you're trying to claim the opposite, that parts of australia ban you from doing anything not specifically allowed by law, you're going to need to show something to support that |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:15:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has Where is the one that tells me how I CAN.
Again, you seem to miss the point.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:15:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:So...how about this Fon Revedhort dude, huh? Actually we got kind of side tracked, or I did.
Sorry please feel free to make fun of the nasi scum. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:17:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Sorry please feel free to make fun of the nasi scum.
We're already making fun of you, Herr Doom. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:17:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Shame I am not quoting from there but you are obviously under the belief that anyone who is not a government can discriminate. So I will no longer try to break your illusion.
the snippit you are citing cites to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union to support the claim you made
i went and read it
i actually know what im talking about and know for an absolute fact you're wrong
private organizations and citizens have the freedom of association, to associate with whom they wish
now, that freedom is limited in many circumstances so you are not allowed to discriminate on protected grounds in most cases, but political opinion is not one of them and most certainly not neonazi and racist views
you have been given many chances to back up your claims of knowing things about laws, yet every time you manage to cite somethign it appears to be you just googling things and copy/pasting them without checking the underlying law
i suggest you start, as I will always be checking the underlying law |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:19:00 -
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it is also genuinely hilarious that someone is claiming that ~the sheeple~ have allowed their liberties to be taken away while at the same time claiming that it is the law that you are not allowed to do something unless the government specifically says you can |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:19:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has Where is the one that tells me how I CAN. Again, you seem to miss the point. Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
that (unconstitutional, void) law is not be worded "missionary sex is allowed" if it even exists which i doubt
it is worded something along the lines of "all sex, besides missionary, is banned"
there is a specific ban, then an exemption carved out
if there was no law about sex on the books you would be allowed to do whatever you pleased, not banned from having sex because there was no law allowing it |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com?
Man oh man. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:24:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. all parts of all democratic countries, to be specific if you're trying to claim the opposite, that parts of australia ban you from doing anything not specifically allowed by law, you're going to need to show something to support that No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can.
yeah find me anything to support that |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:26:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies.
The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is.
For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:26:00 -
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i cannot be bothered to find whatever obviously wrong thing you're reading or figure out what actual real thing you massively misunderstood so give me a link and i will explain how what you think is not true |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:27:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can.
yeah find me anything to support that Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies. The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is. For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. in general all of those suppsed dumb laws don't exist
like "it is illegal to wash your llama in a bathtub on sundays!" el oh el turns out to be it's just illegal to wash any animal in a tub meant for human use on any day of the week, and they just make it overly specific to make it seem dumb |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:29:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:it is also genuinely hilarious that someone is claiming that ~the sheeple~ have allowed their liberties to be taken away while at the same time claiming that it is the law that you are not allowed to do something unless the government specifically says you can You might want to have a look at Voting laws.
Do they omit your right to vote subsequently by your argument giving you the right to vote? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering.
you are making the claim, you support it
every time you give me something to actually work with (a mistake you've made twice) i've cited the specific provisions of actual law that knock it down
and given everything you've said about law is incorrect we're obviously not going to take your word for it
you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all and are just hoping i get distracted in a wild-goose chase for a link that doesn't exist |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:32:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies. The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is. For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. in general all of those suppsed dumb laws don't exist like "it is illegal to wash your llama in a bathtub on sundays!" el oh el turns out to be it's just illegal to wash any animal in a tub meant for human use on any day of the week, and they just make it overly specific to make it seem dumb Well here is an easy dumb law for you.
Western Australia still has the death penalty for mass murder and mass ****. It cannot be used as it would be found to be cruel and unusual punishment by the high court.
Yes these laws do exist. The American one honestly no idea, the Australian ones yes they do.
Same as drink driving in a babies pram, law exists in Australia. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:33:00 -
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if you google the cubed root of the number formed by taking the 198,328th digit of the largest mersenne prime through the 200,000th occurance of the digit "1", you find a link proving i'm right
go ahead, I'll wait |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:37:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Well here is an easy dumb law for you.
Western Australia still has the death penalty for mass murder and mass ****. It cannot be used as it would be found to be cruel and unusual punishment by the high court.
Yes these laws do exist. The American one honestly no idea, the Australian ones yes they do.
Same as drink driving in a babies pram, law exists in Australia.
i have no idea what you think "sometimes nations don't get around to removing laws from the books that everyone knows are unconstitutional and are never used" proves for you
that happens everywhere with a constitutional court all the time, laws against sodomy are probably still on the books of most american states though they're void after lawrence v. texas because nobody enforces them and nobody has gotten around to the whole process of removing them |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:40:00 -
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to bring this around to fon:
ccp is freely allowed under icelandic, and any other law, to remove fon from the running and refuse to associate with him. although they have failed to do this (and we should castigate them for that), we should all realize that fon, and anyone who associates with him and defends him, are unworthy of a vote and should not be associated with |
Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:42:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering.
you are making the claim, you support it every time you give me something to actually work with (a mistake you've made twice) i've cited the specific provisions of actual law that knock it down and given everything you've said about law is incorrect we're obviously not going to take your word for it you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all and are just hoping i get distracted in a wild-goose chase for a link that doesn't exist Ok how about Directive 2006/54/EC that the countries laws come from? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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