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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
988
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:36:00 -
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Target audience consists of those who: - PvP themselves; - don't PvP, but would like to try; - used to, but no longer PvP due to some reasons (probably covered here); - are not interested in PvP yet remain fully aware of its significance for the game.
That's me.
Sadly, I've got none of these fancy references from ex- or current CSM members to proudly put here, so maybe this short video will help, as it summarizes the way of interaction I've preferred so far for dealing with those of them who actually undock.
In case of limited attention span and desire to see the platform, please proceed to massive Part II and randomly pick few items, which should be enough to answer the "what" question. Part I addresses the ones of "who" and "why"; it is premised by few quotes (from various forums), which are not necessarily true, but at least made me smile.
"Our fleet had a whopping 66% Amarr racial purity factor GÇô Fon Revedhort-approved! GÇô and thus we felt confident that we could achieve victory over the heathens"
"For a guy I've never heard of you make a lot of good points"
"I think Fon has shown that he isn't capable of having a discussion about fitting ships without bringing up racist ideology"
"That was absolutely fantastic! It was like a parade of several ships I've EFT'd but never had the isk to fly haha"
"I normally wouldn't care that much, but he has a habit of accusing people who fly drakes of needing to compensate for their racial inferiority by flying "OP" ships"
Part I - Introduction
Given the number of fruitless demagogues and obvious insiders, my refusal of attempting to exert curative influence on CCP would become a betrayal of the community, which would - yet again - face the necessity of making a choice between candidates whose mutual differences and ingame weight remind chess pawns taken from the very same set. And if it is really believed that "my honour is loyalty", then I surely cannot leave people to the mercy of ignorance of the "highest instance", which seems to be swiftly overcoming last obstacles in the way of the final degradation.
Unlike some unscrupulous rivals, I'm interested in the cause itself rather than personalities; thus I won't discuss even the most absurd statements (game-related, btw) made by utterly blobtastic CSM delegates and would rather touch upon a pretty generic issue often encountered at elections.
Quite often candidates introduce themselves like that they hardly have anything specific to say right now, but since they can do things like "listening" and "talking" (like fine secretary girls) they surely will conduct much "communication" once elected. It's hard to say whether intellectual sterility, hidden self-humiliation or plain hypocrisy prevails in these speeches, but one thing is pretty clear: no one really gives a crap on opinion expressed by individual anonymous posters, unless of course something like a sample of moronic and obviously unfinished UI hits TQ, causing forums to unite in a rage of negation for which ironically they need no CSM whatsoever.
And every sane person having succumbed to shameful election demagogy has to ask himself: how often has CSM asked players on anything specific? Hardly ever! The players are either asked to approve pre-made decisions, hardly changeable unless met with really sharp criticism; or invited to throw in "ideas" and no commitment comes next. CSM is not asking every John and his dog about what and how they think CCP should change. Nope.
Basically, the entire system of elected representatives there and everywhere always implies few speaking on behalf of the many. But why keep talking about self-styled unique communication capabilities then? The answer is short: suffering the lack of game achievements and being unable to come up with solid views on pressing issues, these people have nothing else to set as their virtues.
I've got no need to conduct such a poor rhetoric. Just the reverse, I'm quite honestly saying that one's inability to pick sides combined with "making-EVE-a-better-place" mumbling can be considered as great wisdom only by exemplary sons of the degenerative XXI century. By definition, to these I've got nothing to offer.
On the other hand, similarities always meet; it's hardly a coincidence that previous elections featured me supported by Garmon, who had been considered as PvPer #1 for quite a while. I created a movie of uncommon might; given how certain marasmus-affected CSM delegates performed "alternative" ways of addressing the broader audience, Garmon couldn't help responding in somewhat overstating yet frank manner:
"The sad thing is that Fon Revedhort has been working on a pvp video for the past 20 months, he released it around 36 hours ago for his CSM campaign, and it is the single best pvp movie that has ever been made, only 1k people has seen it. It's unfathomable how something that required so much effort + innovation, and is quite frankly, fantastic, has been ignored by the general eve public, but an evening of spamming has resulted in you reaching out to 200k+ characters?
If you remember, when the CSM minutes were released, there was a big outcry with the community with how the CSM candidates didn't seem to be in touch with the game, and were generally, incompetent - not my words, just the general feedback the majority gave, I would say that this video demonstrates that he doesn't have those qualities. I'm sure a lot of people would agree that an important quality that a CSM candidate should have is their ability to pvp, and understand mechanics, apart from the video being very enjoyable, it addresses those concerns too."
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
988
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:36:00 -
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Finally, scandalmongering and backstage steps of blob apologists were thoroughly in line with their game views. They were smart enough to see a threat coming to their interests. If anything, it would have been really surprising to see plush villains missing an opportunity to clamour against real-life "evil", which "surely" saves one a hassle of having a discussion on the matter itself. These people can only praise someone utterly toothless who won't cause much trouble - a yesterday's newbie with little to none success beyond mere frigs will fit perfectly, the more so if his most significant "threat" posed to blobs is defined as "nerf gang-links". And while that kind of players might be of some use for CSM in case small-scale gaming style is well-represented, the latter one is something CSM has always lacked; and thus we'd better remain pragmatic and particularly think of the ship classes to be rebalanced soon, and in turn recollect who exactly within the playerbase has got enough combat experience in that field.
All in all, it's clear enough that evaluating candidates by their bombastic speeches and references made by their fundamental opponents should be skipped in favor of one's true achievements, experience and views.
My ingame achievements are well-known and have motivated dozens of players to take part in complex and creative PvP, so let's dwell on the views.
Part II - The Principles
"Always tell the truth and only the truth, just not the whole truth", Moltke taught. That's exactly what I'm going to do here, omitting complicated stuff and rather focusing on something easy both to explain and understand. Some points might even be considered as totally obvious, but still they are to be put here.
Sure thing, it would be really stupid to believe that I'm somehow laying claims of being able to reshape EVE by myself. But the truth is, with this text at his disposal a regular voter may accurately predict my reaction to CCP initiatives.
- PvP is the backbone of EVE as it creates a steady demand for both industrial goods and PvE loot through constant destruction of assets and items. At the end of the day it's PvP that sells manufactured hulls or NPC-looted high-end gear. This is something PvE players should never forget, more so if they live in high-sec space and tend to believe they're out of any events - this view is wrong simply due to them using the market, which ultimately is the connecting link between them as PvErs and many others who PvP. The reversed idea - of PvP being impossible without industry and PvE - is just a poor attempt at demagogy, since it's pretty obvious that these things will always exist at the very least due to PvPers themselves, who evidently have never pulled their isk out of the thin air and at any given moment tend to participate in most profitable (demanded) activities; on the other hand, "pacifists" alone will never cause a warfare intensive enough to make the economy work. This explains why I'm so focused on improving and expanding PvP. Meanwhile, it's simply not true that this somehow translates into me advocating for high-sec level 4 missions getting moved into low-sec etc.
- Nerfs and boosts are always interconnected. For instance, introduction of Jump Freighters in their current state might be considered as a boost to logistics, but for pirates earning their living through pillaging trade routes these ships have surely become a catastrophe. This is something a lot of people reject because of their little interest in seeing things outside of their own nutshell. Addition of a covert-ops cloak to Tech2 transports in Quantum Rise has been the same: a boost for some, a huge nerf for the others. Another example: boosting one particular combat ship is always an indirect nerf to its counterparts simply because they all exist in the same environment and share the same pool of targets. Same applies to space in general - if a new area offers something really lucrative, then it attracts people from all over the space and subsequently makes other areas less populated. All in all, even though both boosts and nerfs are inevitable, it makes no sense to think of boosts as of "improvements" and consider nerfs as "spoilers". The primary goal is creating a balanced environment with demand for all the stuff - professions, ships, regions etc. Thus any new content is only welcome in case present things are enriched with new alternatives rather than just rendered obsolete.
- Ships of the same class are to be of more or less the same value for players. It's absolutely wrong to have such a design where, say, one race gets an overpowered HAC, another one - an OP interceptor and the third one - an OP recon. And mistaken are those standing up against any attempt of fixing these ships on mere grounds of "their race having nothing else to fly". There surely is nothing, given how remaining roles are already occupied by ships of other races - how can anyone keep missing that?
- Abundance of combat modules and rigs should encourage different tactics and fittings instead of calling up associations with a brothel run by oddballs, where few popular strumpets are kept along with a bunch of nearly decomposed beings, used out of pity and at Greek calends only. And the variety we are looking for can only be achieved via rational stats and penalties - this is something CCP seems to ignore occasionally, otherwise they would have never rejected promising rig changes in spring 2012 with such a poor reasoning. If dogmas and doctrines were really Alpha and Omega of EVE design, then such things as Sansha Mk.2 (of lasers and shields) would have never appeared.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
988
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:36:00 -
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reserved 14 |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
988
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:36:00 -
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and just in case I need some more space 14 |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1731
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:51:00 -
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tldr Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1075
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:32:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:tldr
Just pick any David Duke quote and go with it. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Wescro2
New Order Logistics CODE.
90
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:39:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:tldr Just pick any David Duke quote and go with it.
It took a while to find one that (probably) wouldn't get me banned from EVE-O and still be relevant to the CSM8 election,
So here's David Duke on which is more elite PvP, suicide ganking or regular ganking.
David Duke wrote:I donGÇÖt see any moral difference between a suicide bomber and somebody in a F-16 fighter jet who fires a missile into an apartment complex and then kills 10 or 15 little girls and boys. I donGÇÖt see much difference there. In fact, I think the pilot is a greater offender, you know, heGÇÖs getting medals, while the suicide bomber is sacrificing his life for what he believes in.
Source. |

Rythm
Shadow Monolith The Gorgon Spawn
33
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:06:00 -
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David Duke on Minmatar rebellion
David Duke wrote: We're not askingGÇö you know, we don't want to have them, you know, for our culture. We simply want our own country and our own society. That's in no way exploitive at all. We want our own society, our own nationGǪ.
Source. |

Succendus Tegimens
Hey Fatty With Your Thick Face
0
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:50:00 -
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You sure put a lot of words to paper in your effort to not actually say anything. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3992
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:22:00 -
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Two step, I found your next client. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3404
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:28:00 -
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Wow, that was quite a wall of text. One might even call it a manifesto...
Sadly, I have a strict "no-neo-Third-Reich" policy. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Frying Doom
1985
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:33:00 -
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Two step wrote:Wow, that was quite a wall of text. One might even call it a manifesto... Sadly, I have a strict "no-neo-Third-Reich" policy. What a racist.
Next you will be complaining about Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution and his followers. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Rythm
Shadow Monolith The Gorgon Spawn
35
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Two step wrote:Wow, that was quite a wall of text. One might even call it a manifesto... Sadly, I have a strict "no-neo-Third-Reich" policy. What a racist. Next you will be complaining about Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution and his followers.  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10872291
chairman mao is a serious business besides this is an internet spaceship game and i guess we should not bring real life political views or nationality into discussion. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
995
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:43:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal is doing a great job keeping his vote-match project alive and I gladly used that opportunity to come up with some soft of a TL;DR version of what I'm saying here.
So feel free to check it out here. 14 |

Secure Cargo Container
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:46:00 -
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What a butthurt would mr 'three jump' have with Fon elected in CSM 8 Like 15 to 89 words of pure butthurt. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1010
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:41:00 -
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Hey, let's keep it civil and avoid bringing in personalities, especially non-factor ones  My campaign for CSM 8 |

Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
123
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:03:00 -
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PIZZACO officially supports Fon Revedhort as its CSM8 candidate.  Confederation of xXPIZZAXx CEO Watch PIZZA Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/LunchSquad |

Onyx Nyx
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
299
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:49:00 -
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You given up your white supremacist views? I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
433
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:45:00 -
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running again? i did nazi this coming |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1709
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:42:00 -
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I was trying to remember if you were that neo-**** scumbag, but you handily posted your neo-**** music and quoted Helmuth von Moltke in your OP, so good job. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2779
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:28:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:running again? i did nazi this coming The mind goebbels... Pre-Election has begun! Click to endorse Trebor for CSM8 * Candidate thread * CSM Blog |

Verlai
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:32:00 -
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I believe the biggest issue facing EVE is that of the economy. This rampant inflation is a serious issue that must finally be faced. Do you have any solution? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1086
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:42:00 -
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Hey Fon, how good are you at Transport Tycoon? This is important. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1089
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:43:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:running again? i did nazi this coming The mind goebbels... Are you goering to make a big deal about this? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:47:00 -
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I support this candidacy. Regardless of what happens in New Eden over the next 12 years, at least we'll have DIE SPACE AUTOBAHN to enjoy afterwards. |

Gregor Lachlan
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
2
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:08:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:running again? i did nazi this coming The mind goebbels... Are you goering to make a big deal about this?
You guys are CSM and making jokes about war criminals.
When CCP see this they'll be F++hrious. |

Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
116
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:13:00 -
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I interviewed Fon as part of the Crossing Zebras CSM8 Election Interviews process. You can listen to it here
http://c-z.me/csm8fonrevedhort
I strongly advise people not to vote for Fon in CSM8 based on what is discussed in this interview. www.crossingzebras.com |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1761
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:36:00 -
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Verlai wrote:I believe the biggest issue facing EVE is that of the economy. This rampant inflation is a serious issue that must finally be faced. Do you have any solution?
Invade Poland? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:36:00 -
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A drunk ******* makes a stupid tasteless joke and gets booted from the CSM almost immediately, yet when a literal space-**** starts quoting David Duke and other assorted fascists, CCP doesn't say a word?
My hope is that this is just a temporary thing, and that we can expect CCP to slap this space-fascist back down. |

Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3470
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:53:00 -
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After listening to Xander's *excellent* interview, I am even more shocked and dismayed that Fon was allowed to run at all. I went and read his thread on eve-ru, and luckily many members of the Russian community are just as troubled by his views as I am. I hope everyone sends him a message to not bother to run for CSM9 by not giving him enough endorsements to even pass the pre-election. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1087
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:59:00 -
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Thorien Greenwood wrote:A drunk ******* makes a stupid tasteless joke and gets booted from the CSM almost immediately, yet when a literal space-**** starts quoting David Duke and other assorted fascists, CCP doesn't say a word?
My hope is that this is just a temporary thing, and that we can expect CCP to slap this space-fascist back down.
They didn't last election, why would they this time? All they did last year was just edit out anyone else making references to his worldviews. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

None ofthe Above
464
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:59:00 -
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Thorien Greenwood wrote:A drunk ******* makes a stupid tasteless joke and gets booted from the CSM almost immediately, yet when a literal space-**** starts quoting David Duke and other assorted fascists, CCP doesn't say a word?
My hope is that this is just a temporary thing, and that we can expect CCP to slap this space-fascist back down.
Am pretty sure they are hoping we are smart enough not to elect him and make Fon their issue. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |

None ofthe Above
464
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:01:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:A drunk ******* makes a stupid tasteless joke and gets booted from the CSM almost immediately, yet when a literal space-**** starts quoting David Duke and other assorted fascists, CCP doesn't say a word?
My hope is that this is just a temporary thing, and that we can expect CCP to slap this space-fascist back down. They didn't last election, why would they this time? All they did last year was just edit out anyone else making references to his worldviews.
Yes that was unfortunate. IMHO, worldviews are relevant... particularly when the candidate makes them so. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |

Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:10:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:A drunk ******* makes a stupid tasteless joke and gets booted from the CSM almost immediately, yet when a literal space-**** starts quoting David Duke and other assorted fascists, CCP doesn't say a word?
My hope is that this is just a temporary thing, and that we can expect CCP to slap this space-fascist back down. They didn't last election, why would they this time? All they did last year was just edit out anyone else making references to his worldviews.
...I guess at least even when he talks about EVE issues he is a rambling, incoherent idiot based on that interview. So at least that should keep space-fascist out. 
Hearing him suddenly claim a lack of comprehension in English when pressed on his racist bullsh*t was kind of hilarious though. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1023
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:12:00 -
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Thanks for giving me an opportunity to learn a new word - I've never heard of 'hoodwinking' before, but I guess I really should get used to using it broadly.
Not mentioning that this very word precilsely defines things you're doing here 
Thanks for the bumps, but any crap will be ignored just as before. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1764
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:13:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:A drunk ******* makes a stupid tasteless joke and gets booted from the CSM almost immediately, yet when a literal space-**** starts quoting David Duke and other assorted fascists, CCP doesn't say a word?
My hope is that this is just a temporary thing, and that we can expect CCP to slap this space-fascist back down. Am pretty sure they are hoping we are smart enough not to elect him and make Fon their issue. Relying on the Eve playerbase to collectively do something smart?
I foresee trouble ahead. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:15:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Thanks for giving me an opportunity to learn a new word - I've never heard of 'hoodwinking' before, but I guess I really should get used to using it broadly. Not mentioning that this very word precisely defines things you're doing here  Thanks for the bumps, but any crap will be ignored just as before.
It's good to see your English skills return now that you are back on the forum :shobon: |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1089
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:15:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Thanks for the bumps, but any crap will be ignored just as before.
This isn't for you. We know full well that things like 'basic human decency' won't penetrate your white hood of ignorance. This is for any other poor sod who stumbles into this thread without knowing that you're the Grand Wizard of lowsec. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:21:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Verlai wrote:I believe the biggest issue facing EVE is that of the economy. This rampant inflation is a serious issue that must finally be faced. Do you have any solution? Invade Poland?
No, I don't believe that would be final enough as per his insinuation, you clearly missed what he was getting at. You should probably concentrate more when reading through posts before quoting them. It wouldn't be too outlandish to look into courses furthering your abilities in that regard.
Perchance there are specialised group courses of sorts specialized in cognitive focus, possibly even ones providing outdoor accomodation to some extent in remote, cordoned-off areas. Hell, these could even be guarded.
You know...for security. |

Gregor Lachlan
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
5
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:28:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Verlai wrote:I believe the biggest issue facing EVE is that of the economy. This rampant inflation is a serious issue that must finally be faced. Do you have any solution? Invade Poland? No, I don't believe that would be final enough as per his insinuation, you clearly missed what he was getting at. You should probably concentrate more when reading through posts before quoting them. It wouldn't be too outlandish to look into courses furthering your abilities in that regard. Perchance there are specialised group courses of sorts specialized in cognitive focus, possibly even ones providing outdoor accomodation to some extent in remote, cordoned-off areas. Hell, these could even be guarded. You know...for security.
Invade Breckenridge? |
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1709
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:33:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:any crap will be ignored just as before. Then why post? Since in your words "Any cooperation is only feasible if two parties are sharing the same views"
Which will be no one. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
441
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:38:00 -
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by views he means visually, two parties that are viewed the same because of their similar layers of skin pigmentation |

experiment a91
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:39:00 -
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This interview was very informative. This candidate isn't someone I would want representing me in Eve or frankly anything. |

Rythm
True Power Team
39
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Posted - 2013.03.28 01:12:00 -
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well as long as fon does not go on stage and promote bulling some mentally unstable person into suicide my vote is with him. i mean living in a glass house et cetera et ceter. |

Rythm
True Power Team
40
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Posted - 2013.03.28 01:35:00 -
[45] - Quote
Two step wrote:After listening to Xander's *excellent* interview, I am even more shocked and dismayed that Fon was allowed to run at all. I went and read his thread on eve-ru, and luckily many members of the Russian community are just as troubled by his views as I am. I hope everyone sends him a message to not bother to run for CSM9 by not giving him enough endorsements to even pass the pre-election. Russian community as a whole does not give a flying talos about one's political views. Why you are so hurt and insecure about basic human rights such as freedom of speech is beyond my comprehension. I mean you can do whatever you want in US - turn it into one big happy mind-policing concentration camp if you want, but just keep it to yourself.
http://cs315826.vk.me/v315826224/84a0/XAXFgNYCRLY.jpg
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Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
6
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:03:00 -
[46] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Two step wrote:After listening to Xander's *excellent* interview, I am even more shocked and dismayed that Fon was allowed to run at all. I went and read his thread on eve-ru, and luckily many members of the Russian community are just as troubled by his views as I am. I hope everyone sends him a message to not bother to run for CSM9 by not giving him enough endorsements to even pass the pre-election. Russian community as a whole does not give a flying talos about one's political views. Why you are so hurt and insecure about basic human rights such as freedom of speech is beyond my comprehension. I mean you can do whatever you want in US - turn it into one big happy mind-policing concentration camp if you want, but just keep it to yourself. http://cs315826.vk.me/v315826224/84a0/XAXFgNYCRLY.jpg
Even if we were to be so callous as to disregards ones, ahem, "fascist" tendencies, there still is the basic fact that CSM reps are required to interact and collaborate with people of various backgrounds and races. From a purely practical standpoint, holding a belief that others are at their very essence inferior to yourself, would make it impossible to collaborate and work together in good faith.
Simply put, if our space-fascist gets elected, he will most likely find his naz--sorry, "white pride" views make it hard to see eye to eye to those he sees as inferior.
And quite frankly, I would never be that callous and short-sighted, and will most certainly hold the fact that he desires a resurgence of the brand of racist fascism (that killed 6 million of my ancestors), against him. |

Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3475
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Two step wrote:After listening to Xander's *excellent* interview, I am even more shocked and dismayed that Fon was allowed to run at all. I went and read his thread on eve-ru, and luckily many members of the Russian community are just as troubled by his views as I am. I hope everyone sends him a message to not bother to run for CSM9 by not giving him enough endorsements to even pass the pre-election. Russian community as a whole does not give a flying talos about one's political views. Why you are so hurt and insecure about basic human rights such as freedom of speech is beyond my comprehension. I mean you can do whatever you want in US - turn it into one big happy mind-policing concentration camp if you want, but just keep it to yourself. http://cs315826.vk.me/v315826224/84a0/XAXFgNYCRLY.jpg
Where did I say he wasn't welcome to say whatever hateful things he wants to say? He is free to express his own opinions, and I would hope that any potential voters would realize that someone with his repulsive views would be ignored at best by both CCP and by his fellow CSM members.
If you truly want the non-racist ideas that Fon expresses to happen, I would look for a more viable candidate. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Rythm
True Power Team
40
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:20:00 -
[48] - Quote
Two step wrote: Where did I say he wasn't welcome to say whatever hateful things he wants to say? He is free to express his own opinions, and I would hope that any potential voters would realize that someone with his repulsive views would be ignored at best by both CCP and by his fellow CSM members.
If you truly want the non-racist ideas that Fon expresses to happen, I would look for a more viable candidate.
We're voting here based on the internet spaceships ideas, sorry for explaining most basic things to you. Suggestion that viable game-related concerns will be rejected based on the ad-hominem argument is insulting intelligence of CCP employees and probably shedding some light on the members of current CSM *cough* *cough* |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
52
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:24:00 -
[49] - Quote
You know your ****, no one can contest this.
Your experience makes you the best candidate for what I'm looking for in a CSM candidate.
gl man |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
52
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
Two step wrote:After listening to Xander's *excellent* interview, I am even more shocked and dismayed that Fon was allowed to run at all. I went and read his thread on eve-ru, and luckily many members of the Russian community are just as troubled by his views as I am. I hope everyone sends him a message to not bother to run for CSM9 by not giving him enough endorsements to even pass the pre-election.
i could fill an ocean with your crocodile tears |
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Sarmatiko
990
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Posted - 2013.03.28 03:23:00 -
[51] - Quote
Two step wrote:I would look for a more viable candidate. Is there any? Main problem with 'russian vote" - players are tired from 0.0 bloc statists in CSM. Best example: UAxDeath posted three times on the forums since his re-election, completely avoiding any interaction with player base. He may be complete pony-loving Jesus in real life, but in CSM he was useless and never met expectations.
If strong liver, sense of humor and alcohol resistance are main factors for CSM-member success, then we need to cut the crap and finish this "CSM elections" theater once and for all.
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Onyx Nyx
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
300
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Posted - 2013.03.28 04:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Two step wrote:I would look for a more viable candidate. Is there any? Main problem with 'russian vote" - players are tired from 0.0 bloc statists in CSM. Best example: UAxDeath posted three times on the forums since his re-election, completely avoiding any interaction with player base. He may be complete pony-loving Jesus and all around nice guy in real life, but as community representative he was useless and never met expectations. If strong liver, sense of humor and alcohol resistance are main factors for CSM-member success, then we need to cut the crap and finish this "CSM elections" theater once and for all. Do we need CSM as reality check for developers or as loyal group accepting most changes after pub crawl?
That frankly depends what is more important to you; personal views on people from different cultures and ethnicity or internet spaceships? I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 04:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
Have I mentioned they are altering Tracking Enhancers just like I was advocating for during CSM 7 campaign? Prolly need to include this fact into my Part III, what do you guys think? My campaign for CSM 8 |

Sarmatiko
991
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Posted - 2013.03.28 04:50:00 -
[54] - Quote
Onyx Nyx wrote:That frankly depends what is more important to you; personal views on people from different cultures and ethnicity or internet spaceships? I can't change anti-russian hate from some EVE-related bloggers or some people in local. In the same way I cant change some pseudo-patriotic egocentric russians hating anyone from outside their restricted universe. I prefer to play the game, ignoring all forms of hate (yes, I'm a special tolerant snowflake) 
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Sieg oder Valhalla
The Advent of Faith
4
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Posted - 2013.03.28 05:54:00 -
[55] - Quote
This thread clearly shows that "anti-fascists" are the true fascists. Best of luck in your campaign, Fon. |

Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 07:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
Rythm wrote:
I guess you are missing one important point - personal views should be clearly separated from the professional conduct.
Being an open and Olympic level racist could never impact your professional life. In fact, anyone in the workplace who is bothered by his ideas of racial purity is being a bigot!!!! WHAT ABOUT HIS FREEDOM????
Also nice Al Gore-ish grab for that tracking enhancers thing. I also know what it is like to be responsible for a change in the game. I am responsible for the Black-Ops battleships range/fuel buff. I bitched about it last year so therefore it was my idea.
Maybe I should run for CSM since I was changing the game before you. [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |

Rythm
True Power Team
40
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:23:00 -
[57] - Quote
Richard Bong wrote: Being an open and Olympic level racist could never impact your professional life. In fact, anyone in the workplace who is bothered by his ideas of racial purity is being a bigot!!!! WHAT ABOUT HIS FREEDOM????
Are you like six years old? Or maybe some colledge dropout who cannot keep his mouth shut when he's not asked to talk? You see when you're working you are discussing professional topics, not political or eugenical theories. Try this, maybe it will improve your career =)
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:34:00 -
[58] - Quote
Wherein calling out neonazi-apologists turns you into 6-year-old college dropouts. |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1829
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Anti-Russian hate. Are these people who like Russians too much?
Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |

Rythm
True Power Team
40
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:44:00 -
[60] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Wherein calling out neonazi-apologists turns you into 6-year-old college dropouts. I guess it has something to do with you inability to distinguish between AND and OR statements.
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Space Wookie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
This man is worthy of being president in video game government.
Fon 2013. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2375
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Posted - 2013.03.28 09:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
That's easily the best platform I've ever seen from any CSM candidate.
Only thing I disagree with is the tank issue, I think ships should have even more EHP, just because longer fights are more fun than getting one-shot.
But yes, will vote.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.03.28 09:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Wherein calling out neonazi-apologists turns you into 6-year-old college dropouts. I guess it has something to do with you inability to distinguish between AND and OR statements.
Oh, apologies.
Wherein calling out neonazi-apologists turns you into EITHER a 6-year-old OR a college dropout.
Because clearly, only those two groups show a sufficient lack of intelligence that leads them to stoop to such lows as calling out neonazi-apologists, an innocent minority so savagely misunderstood. |

Rythm
True Power Team
40
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:03:00 -
[64] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote: Oh, apologies. Wherein calling out neonazi-apologists turns you into EITHER a 6-year-old OR a college dropout. Because clearly, only those two groups show a sufficient lack of intelligence that leads them to stoop to such lows as calling out neonazi-apologists, an innocent minority so savagely misunderstood.
Well, you might be in third, fourth, fifth and so on so forth group, it really does not matter as long as they posess the key property that allows them to successfully find neonazis in space =) |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:38:00 -
[65] - Quote
"Wherein you better agree with Na-¡zi-¡ apologists, lest you get smothered with foggy semantics derails." -¡ |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1028
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:44:00 -
[66] - Quote
By the way, should anyone want to conduct another interview to maybe address some EVE concerns previously left untouched, I'm open for invitations.
This might save some a hassle of 'penetrating' my starting message with all its 'grandiose phrasing' etc. Also, additional questions may arise. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:49:00 -
[67] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Also, additional questions may arise.
You certainly have a knack for understatements there, champ. |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:"Wherein you better agree with Na-¡zi-¡ apologists, lest you get smothered with foggy semantics derails." -¡ oh sigh. one picture worth thousand words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:09:00 -
[69] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:By the way, should anyone want to conduct another interview to maybe address some EVE concerns previously left untouched, I'm open for invitations..
Hear that, podcasters? You too can have the experience of recording a neonazi awkwardly going through the Cliff's Notes version of Mein Kampf! "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:17:00 -
[70] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:"Wherein you better agree with Na-¡zi-¡ apologists, lest you get smothered with foggy semantics derails." -¡ oh sigh. one picture worth thousand words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q
Yes, the uneducated masses cruelly proclaiming a guy that openly talked about his racial views and included not one but SIX neonazi rock songs in the soundtrack of his pvp-'magnum opus' (the other 3 might be too, I don't know since I don't know them or speak russian, but since one of them actually included the lyrics "Sieg Heil!" in the chorus, I'm somewhat suspicious) and quotes David Duke as a neonazi and don't want him to represent them regardless of his pvp-prowess.
How dare they?
Such grave prejudice and injustice. |
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Capqu
Love Squad
87
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
If you want a no BS candidate, Fon's your man.
+3 votes from me. http://pizza.eve-kill.net |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 11:56:00 -
[72] - Quote
Do you want to discuss russian rock scene?
http://prostopleer.com/tracks/53308902m5D
Ahh. This. Meet. Cognitive. Dissonance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nVNUFGmgcUw |

Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:06:00 -
[73] - Quote
Sieg oder Valhalla wrote:This thread clearly shows that "anti-fascists" are the true fascists. Best of luck in your campaign, Fon. Yeah and feminists are the real sexists. Gays are the real homophobes.
Ps. Defending a neo-N-¡azi with a name like "Sieg oder Valhalla" isn't doing you any favors.
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:23:00 -
[74] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Do you want to discuss russian rock scene?
Well, since you're openly asking me whether I want to join you in your derail to deflect from the argument you quoted but smartly omitted, my answer is going to have to be:
No, I'd much rather have you comment on what I already wrote. Here, I'll quote it again for your convenience:
Father Snuggles wrote:Yes, the uneducated masses cruelly proclaiming a guy that openly talked about his racial views and included not one but SIX neonazi rock songs in the soundtrack of his pvp-'magnum opus' (the other 3 might be too, I don't know since I don't know them or speak russian, but since one of them actually included the lyrics "Sieg Heil!" in the chorus, I'm somewhat suspicious) and quotes David Duke as a neonazi and don't want him to represent them regardless of his pvp-prowess. How dare they? Such grave prejudice and injustice.
Feel free to refute any of that at your leisure.
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:25:00 -
[75] - Quote
Honestly does the fact he follows a political movement that is almost about to celebrate its 100th anniversary, really matter?
So the creator of that movement and leader of that country was classified as a war criminal. You would be lucky to find many people that were adults during that war.
We have had war criminals leading countries since then and we presumably have followers of their parties in the CSM.
So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
378
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:25:00 -
[76] - Quote
I'm a bit torn...
That manifesto was excellent, the best of all, and I deeply think that with Fon's help in the CSM, EVE would be a better place. On the other hand, as a scientist, I cannot stand for any kind of racism idea, and supporting someone that is just wrong on so many subjects is just unbearable. |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:30:00 -
[77] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Honestly does the fact he follows a political movement that is almost about to celebrate its 100th anniversary, really matter?
So the creator of that movement and leader of that country was classified as a war criminal. You would be lucky to find many people that were adults during that war.
We have had war criminals leading countries since then and we presumably have followers of their parties in the CSM.
So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics?
This just in:
Worshipping Hitler is no longer a no-no because the holocaust is sooo last century. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1100
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 14:46:00 -
[78] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics?
Remember, the only reason anyone knows about his neonazism is because he's told us. He uses neonazi music in his PVP videos, he's quoted David Duke, he's made literal allusions to human races "not being equal", all on these forums. It wasn't any kind of creepy digi-level internet detectiving that unearthed this.
So why does this matter? We're electing a group of people who come from all corners of the planet (potentially, anyway). Different ethnicities, religions, nationality, all of that good stuff. So now we have Fon, an open neo-**** who has PROVEN that he cannot keep his views separate from Eve Online as demonstrated above. That alone is enough reason for it to matter, and matter greatly.
"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
449
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? i don't know how well do you think an unrepentant racist neonazi will get along with anything other than a lily-white csm and represent eve to the wider world |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
449
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:53:00 -
[80] - Quote
Capqu wrote:If you want a no BS candidate, Fon's your man.
+3 votes from me. does he have his certificate of racial purity from black or semitic ancestry? where's the racial purity certificate |
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:59:00 -
[81] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? i don't know how well do you think an unrepentant racist neona zi will get along with anything other than a lily-white csm and represent eve to the wider world Frankly I have no idea but I do not believe that someones political views should prevent them from serving on a player elected council in a game. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Frankly I have no idea but I do not believe that someones political views should prevent them from serving on a player elected council in a game.
Neonazism is quite a bit bigger than a political view. You realize that, right? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:05:00 -
[83] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Honestly does the fact he follows a political movement that is almost about to celebrate its 100th anniversary, really matter?
So the creator of that movement and leader of that country was classified as a war criminal. You would be lucky to find many people that were adults during that war.
We have had war criminals leading countries since then and we presumably have followers of their parties in the CSM.
So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? This just in: Worshipping Hi tler is no longer a no-no because the holocaust is sooo last century. So your suggesting that CCP should ban people in political parties guilty of starting wars of aggression?
Well I suppose that will annoy members of the US republican party, The Australian Liberal Party and UK labour party. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:09:00 -
[84] - Quote
i think he's suggesting ccp should ban people from political parties who conducted a program of industrial murder to kill around twelve milion people, also people who openly espouse the principle that other races are inferior |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:10:00 -
[85] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Frankly I have no idea but I do not believe that someones political views should prevent them from serving on a player elected council in a game. Neonazism is quite a bit bigger than a political view. You realize that, right? I am aware of what it is but it is also a political movement. Frankly I am surprised they have not gone down the religious recognition arm.
Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:11:00 -
[86] - Quote
its just me but i think that you could have figured out he was talking about the program of industrialized murder known as "the holocaust" from the fact his post specifically referenced the holocaust and that would have stopped you from making a very stupid post equating the nazi party to parties that have never conducted programs of industrialized murder to kill twelve million people |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:12:00 -
[87] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: So your suggesting that CCP should ban people in political parties guilty of starting wars of aggression?
Well I suppose that will annoy members of the US republican party, The Australian Liberal Party and UK labour party.
This just in, the war in Iraq is literally the Holocaust. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:12:00 -
[88] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run.
Illegal? Where? Besides, if you want to get into the legality thing, there's more than a few European countries in which CCP sell subscriptions to this game that ~might~ take issue with an unrepentant neonazi representing them. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:13:00 -
[89] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:i think he's suggesting ccp should ban people from political parties who conducted a program of industrial murder to kill around twelve milion people, also people who openly espouse the principle that other races are inferior So 12 million bad, 120,000 good? but besides that.
But yes his personal views may make him come undone once elected but to refuse him the ability is to discriminate against him, just as he would discriminate against others. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1714
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:13:00 -
[90] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? i don't know how well do you think an unrepentant racist neona zi will get along with anything other than a lily-white csm and represent eve to the wider world Frankly I have no idea but I do not believe that someones political views should prevent them from serving on a player elected council in a game. You realise this isn't like voting for Ron Paul, right? You know what views he is saying were good, right?
He is saying that a guy who killed 6million+ non-whites (Jews were not the only targeted group) HAD THE RIGHT IDEA. He quotes David Duke, leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who thinks that hanging black people from trees is a fun Saturday night, as a role model.
If for some reason, some lapse of all sanity, you think allowing this sack of human excrement a mouth-piece is a good idea, you may want to note that in an interview on his CSM candidacy he wouldn't give a straight answer on whether he would respect the opinions of non-whites on the CSM, using excuses like "I would respect them ingame" and "Sorry I don't know English".
Yeah, the guy who wrote a 3-full-length-post OP in this thread can't understand English.
Stop defending these people. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:15:00 -
[91] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:i think he's suggesting ccp should ban people from political parties who conducted a program of industrial murder to kill around twelve milion people, also people who openly espouse the principle that other races are inferior So 12 million bad, 120,000 good? but besides that. But yes his personal views may make him come undone once elected but to refuse him the ability is to discriminate against him, just as he would discriminate against others. could you please point to the program of industrialized murder that you believe equates to the holocaust from any of your examples
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1714
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:15:00 -
[92] - Quote
Also he has repeatedly made his "views" relevant to in-game beliefs on these forums, and did so repeatedly until CCP removed them. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:15:00 -
[93] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Frying Doom wrote: So your suggesting that CCP should ban people in political parties guilty of starting wars of aggression?
Well I suppose that will annoy members of the US republican party, The Australian Liberal Party and UK labour party.
This just in, the war in Iraq is literally the Holocaust. A war of aggression makes the victims as dead as any other. Yes the Holocaust was 100 times larger.
And as usual for Humans we didn't learn the first time so just repeated our mistakes. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
52
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:15:00 -
[94] - Quote
Oy vei if fon gets elected it will be worse then the shoah!! |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:16:00 -
[95] - Quote
also please identify the precise law you believe makes it illegal to discriminate against someone for espousing neo-nazi views and racist views
any law from anywhere besides the third reich will do |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
741
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:17:00 -
[96] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run.
In many countries, or at least the US, yes, it may be illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views... if you're a business, looking to hire someone. It happens anyway, but that's beside the point. "A business looking to hire someone" is not what's happening here - it's a gathering of players looking to vote for 14 other players to represent them to CCP. If those players decide that the political views of one of the candidates is reason for them to not serve, they're well within their rights to do so.
e: I'm wrong, "political affiliation" is apparently absolutely something a business can discriminate against you for. Doesn't change my point in the slightest. Mynnna for CSM 8 |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:18:00 -
[97] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:i think he's suggesting ccp should ban people from political parties who conducted a program of industrial murder to kill around twelve milion people, also people who openly espouse the principle that other races are inferior So 12 million bad, 120,000 good? but besides that. But yes his personal views may make him come undone once elected but to refuse him the ability is to discriminate against him, just as he would discriminate against others. could you please point to the program of industrialized murder that you believe equates to the holocaust from any of your examples I am sorry I thought The US, Australian and British Military were classed as industrial institutions, I missed the fact it was a few guys with a couple of beers.
Did they start an illegal war of aggression yes, did 120,000+ people die so far due to that war, yes. Anything else is just adding candy to it so the reality doesn't slap you in the face. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:20:00 -
[98] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run. In many countries, or at least the US, yes, it may be illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views... if you're a business, looking to hire someone. It happens anyway, but that's beside the point. "A business looking to hire someone" is not what's happening here - it's a gathering of players looking to vote for 14 other players to represent them to CCP. If those players decide that the political views of one of the candidates is reason for them to not serve, they're well within their rights to do so. The players yes, VERY yes. If the players don't like it hell yeah we don't vote for the neo-**** scum.
But CCP no. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:20:00 -
[99] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views. Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their skin color. Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their ethnicity. Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their nationality. Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their sexual orientation. Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their marital status. Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their religion.
Political views? Eh, sorry, no. Stupidity isn't a protected characteristic when it comes to discrimination.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:21:00 -
[100] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I am sorry I thought The US, Australian and British Military were classed as industrial institutions, I missed the fact it was a few guys with a couple of beers..
If you don't know what he means by "industrialized murder" then you should probably do yourself a favour and stop talking about the Holocaust. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:also please identify the precise law you believe makes it illegal to discriminate against someone for espousing neo-nazi views and racist views
any law from anywhere besides the third reich will do You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
741
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:22:00 -
[102] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:also please identify the precise law you believe makes it illegal to discriminate against someone for espousing neo-nazi views and racist views
any law from anywhere besides the third reich will do You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law?
Please quote exact passages of said laws rather than vague implications that said passages may or may not exist, tia.
Also you'll note that Mr Revedhort has made it onto the final ballot, so CCP is clearly not discriminating against him anyway. Mynnna for CSM 8 |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
450
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:23:00 -
[103] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: The players yes, VERY yes. If the players don't like it hell yeah we don't vote for the neo-**** scum.
But CCP no.
wrong
go ahead, try to find one law in any country anywhere that would support this very dumb idea
i would, of course, start with iceland since that's the one that matters but anywhere will do |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:23:00 -
[104] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law?
Specific laws, Frying Doom. You don't get away that easily (also loooooooooool at thinking the EU would protect neonazi anything ever) "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:24:00 -
[105] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I am sorry I thought The US, Australian and British Military were classed as industrial institutions, I missed the fact it was a few guys with a couple of beers.. If you don't know what he means by "industrialized murder" then you should probably do yourself a favour and stop talking about the Holocaust. You are literally hiding behind scale.
Yes the lets call it old german party as it censors it, went out of their way to exterminate, Jews, Gays, Intellectuals, Communists, and the list goes on, using their military might. The current war is killing a race of people en-mass by going well we want those guys so we will just kill everyone in the area with smart bombs and drones.
The reason may be different an smaller scale but the effect is just the same. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:26:00 -
[106] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:also please identify the precise law you believe makes it illegal to discriminate against someone for espousing neo-nazi views and racist views
any law from anywhere besides the third reich will do You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? us law doesn't at all, EU law doesn't exist in the same sense but many countries in the EU criminalize neo-nazi speech
au law i guarantee doesn't either
go ahead, try to find anything that supports this dumb idea |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:27:00 -
[107] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: You are literally hiding behind scale.
no
no he's not
there's a reason the holocaust is a much bigger deal than the people who died in combat in wwII
Frying Doom wrote: Yes the lets call it old german party as it censors it, went out of their way to exterminate, Jews, Gays, Intellectuals, Communists, and the list goes on, using their military might. The current war is killing a race of people en-mass by going well we want those guys so we will just kill everyone in the area with smart bombs and drones.
The reason may be different an smaller scale but the effect is just the same.
the holocaust is no different than uncle jim drunkenly falling into the wheat thrasher, just writ large
this is a thing frying doom apparently believes |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:28:00 -
[108] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:You are literally hiding behind scale.
Yes the lets call it old german party as it censors it, went out of their way to exterminate, Jews, Gays, Intellectuals, Communists, and the list goes on, using their military might. The current war is killing a race of people en-mass by going well we want those guys so we will just kill everyone in the area with smart bombs and drones.
The reason may be different an smaller scale but the effect is just the same.
I'm just going to pretend/hope that you're not such a complete and pathetic waste of oxygen that you're actually devil's advocate trolling in favour of an actual neonazi for a moment.
When "industrialized murder" is used, it's not referring to the "what", it's referring to the "how". Figure that out and you'll figure out why the Holocaust is particularly horrifying even as far as genocides go. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:28:00 -
[109] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? Specific laws, Frying Doom. You don't get away that easily (also loooooooooool at thinking the EU would protect neonazi anything ever) You could have saved me the hassle of re typing, it is in GD atm
But check out the Handbook on European non-discrimination law section 3.5.2 page 81 "The right to freedom of association has also been taken to include protection for the formation of political parties, which the ECtHR has accorded a high level of protection against interference.
Similarly, as noted in Chapter 4.11., any interference with the right to free speech in the context of political debate is scrutinised very closely."
So yes the neo-bloody-**** party is protected under EU law. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:30:00 -
[110] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? Specific laws, Frying Doom. You don't get away that easily (also loooooooooool at thinking the EU would protect neonazi anything ever) You could have saved me the hassle of re typing, it is in GD atm But check out the Handbook on European non-discrimination law section 3.5.2 page 81 "The right to freedom of association has also been taken to include protection for the formation of political parties, which the ECtHR has accorded a high level of protection against interference. Similarly, as noted in Chapter 4.11., any interference with the right to free speech in the context of political debate is scrutinised very closely." So yes the neo-bloody-**** party is protected under EU law. the government is not allowed to interfere (generally, with neonazis being one glaring exception) with the formation of political parties
organizations, however, are absolutely free to refuse to hire neonazis and racists
try again |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:31:00 -
[111] - Quote
you probably can figure out that neonazi parties are not protected from employers discriminating against them under EU law because it's a criminal offense to be a member of the party or espouse its views in most european countries
good work captain laws |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:32:00 -
[112] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You are literally hiding behind scale.
Yes the lets call it old german party as it censors it, went out of their way to exterminate, Jews, Gays, Intellectuals, Communists, and the list goes on, using their military might. The current war is killing a race of people en-mass by going well we want those guys so we will just kill everyone in the area with smart bombs and drones.
The reason may be different an smaller scale but the effect is just the same. I'm just going to pretend/hope that you're not such a complete and pathetic waste of oxygen that you're actually devil's advocate trolling in favour of an actual neonazi for a moment. When "industrialized murder" is used, it's not referring to the "what", it's referring to the "how". Figure that out and you'll figure out why the Holocaust is particularly horrifying even as far as genocides go. No actually I think they are scum and I would happily elbow a few teeth out of a member of that party but I am against discrimination of any variety, so I can hardly say yes people have the right to non-discrimination, except him.
As to the current and past genocides... Well frankly they all suck, it is only the scale that differs and treating any death over any other just because it was a bigger list is just glossing over the fact that a century later we still have learned nothing. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:33:00 -
[113] - Quote
you're actively defending genocide as no worse than people dying as a result of a war
genocide doesn't "suck", bad posting "sucks" genocide is "an unforgivable crime against humanity" |

Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
378
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:35:00 -
[114] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Please quote exact passages of said laws rather than vague implications that said passages may or may not exist, tia. HS but : We have specific French laws about that. The English wikipedia article about it is poorly written but that's a good example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:36:00 -
[115] - Quote
Frying Doom,
If you can't see the difference between a war that was started to attempt to liberate a country from a dictator (and people dying in the process) and a dictator who wanted to kill people to kill people on a mass scale, then I don't know what to tell you.
I might point out the irony here is that the Iraq war was started to release a country from a dictator who had performed acts of genocide in the past, but I think it would be lost on you.
You are unbelievably stupid. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? Specific laws, Frying Doom. You don't get away that easily (also loooooooooool at thinking the EU would protect neonazi anything ever) You could have saved me the hassle of re typing, it is in GD atm But check out the Handbook on European non-discrimination law section 3.5.2 page 81 "The right to freedom of association has also been taken to include protection for the formation of political parties, which the ECtHR has accorded a high level of protection against interference. Similarly, as noted in Chapter 4.11., any interference with the right to free speech in the context of political debate is scrutinised very closely." So yes the neo-bloody-**** party is protected under EU law. the government is not allowed to interfere (generally, with neonazis being one glaring exception) with the formation of political parties organizations, however, are absolutely free to refuse to hire neonazis and racists try again Well how about you show me these lovely laws that allow organizations, excluding other political and religious organizations to discriminate? Or you might want to read further down in that document I told you to look up as it says exactly the opossite.
But I am happy to see your references. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:38:00 -
[117] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Well how about you show me these lovely laws that allow organizations, excluding other political and religious organizations to discriminate? Or you might want to read further down in that document I told you to look up as it says exactly the opossite.
But I am happy to see your references.
you don't need a law to legalize things
all things not banned by law are legal
it's like asking me what law permits me to eat a sandwich |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
"Look, it doesn't matter if the guy literally thinks genocide is OK and we should all probably get back to doing that ASAP, its wrong to discriminate"
- Frying Doom, 2013 - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:39:00 -
[119] - Quote
Like, how are you not seeing the irony here jesus ******* christ - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:40:00 -
[120] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Honestly does the fact he follows a political movement that is almost about to celebrate its 100th anniversary, really matter?
So the creator of that movement and leader of that country was classified as a war criminal. You would be lucky to find many people that were adults during that war.
We have had war criminals leading countries since then and we presumably have followers of their parties in the CSM.
So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? This just in: Worshipping Hi tler is no longer a no-no because the holocaust is sooo last century. So your suggesting that CCP should ban people in political parties guilty of starting wars of aggression? Well I suppose that will annoy members of the US republican party, The Australian Liberal Party and UK labour party.
You're (you see, it's a contraction of "you are") missing my point, mostly because I didn't suggest CCP take any action based on his campaigning efforts. In fact, I did not suggest any form of action be taken whatsoever. My sole motivation in this thread thus far was to ridicule both the efforts of a nazi whitewashing himself in public and the mindless nazi-apologists pretending there is no problem at all.
On a somewhat-related note, I do believe CCP should both draw-up and enact policies to suppress and/or punish the posting of content related to the support and/or glorification of parties instrumental to the holocaust. But that's just my personal opinion. But this isn't as relevant to this thread as my second opinion:
I do believe that CCP should not suppress or censor people calling nazis out on the forums like they did in the very same campaign thread one "Revedhort, Fon" posted a year ago.
Finally, if you believe that worshipping Hitler, supporting and voicing racial supremacist theories or disseminating content that does so "is a political view", you need to seek professional help.
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:42:00 -
[121] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom,
If you can't see the difference between a war that was started to attempt to liberate a country from a dictator (and people dying in the process) and a dictator who wanted to kill people to kill people on a mass scale, then I don't know what to tell you.
I might point out the irony here is that the Iraq war was started to release a country from a dictator who had performed acts of genocide in the past, but I think it would be lost on you.
You are unbelievably stupid. Except for the fact that the death toll that has occurred in this "Liberation" is a lot higher than if it was left as is and that if it was purely for liberation the target would have been North Korea or at that time China but then there was WMDs wasnt there.
Oh and I believe the last reason for that was they needed more land, there is always a reason to start a war of aggression, I believe japans was oil. It just depends on whether history counts it as a valid reason to kill hundreds of thousands of people.
Oh and before you imply it, I believe strongly in soldiers doing as they are ordered, it is the politicians however that should be forced to serve on the front lines. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 15:43:00 -
[122] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Well how about you show me these lovely laws that allow organizations, excluding other political and religious organizations to discriminate? Or you might want to read further down in that document I told you to look up as it says exactly the opossite.
But I am happy to see your references.
yeah i blew a giant hole in that and you are 100% wrong feel free to try and quote another section and i will rip your horrible argument to shreads that the eu bans employers from discriminating against neonazis but criminalizes neonazi speech |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:44:00 -
[123] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Yes the lets call it old german party as it censors it, went out of their way to exterminate, Jews, Gays, Intellectuals, Communists, and the list goes on, using their military might.
The Na-¡zi movement went out of its way to forcibly silence its opponents and remove them from positions of power and influence. Under the leadership of Adolf Hi-¡tler, Germany rounded up millions of Jews, homosexuals, intellectuals, communists, gypsies, etc., painted them as scapegoats, and exterminated them under the banner of "purity", "social harmony", and "justice".
I can't imagine that someone who strongly associates themselves with said movement would fit the long-standing CSM requirement to "work well with others". |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:45:00 -
[124] - Quote
You know, Frying Doom, at this point you should step back and realize that you've given more defense to an avowed neonazi than to a guy who didn't update a wiki 2 years ago. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:45:00 -
[125] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Honestly does the fact he follows a political movement that is almost about to celebrate its 100th anniversary, really matter?
So the creator of that movement and leader of that country was classified as a war criminal. You would be lucky to find many people that were adults during that war.
We have had war criminals leading countries since then and we presumably have followers of their parties in the CSM.
So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? This just in: Worshipping Hi tler is no longer a no-no because the holocaust is sooo last century. So your suggesting that CCP should ban people in political parties guilty of starting wars of aggression? Well I suppose that will annoy members of the US republican party, The Australian Liberal Party and UK labour party. You're (you see, it's a contraction of "you are") missing my point, mostly because I didn't suggest CCP take any action based on his campaigning efforts. In fact, I did not suggest any form of action be taken whatsoever. My sole motivation in this thread thus far was to ridicule both the efforts of a naz i whitewashing himself in public and the mindless naz i-apologists pretending there is no problem at all. On a somewhat-related note, I do believe CCP should both draw-up and enact policies to suppress and/or punish the posting of content related to the support and/or glorification of parties instrumental to the holocaust. But that's just my personal opinion. But this isn't as relevant to this thread as my second opinion: I do believe that CCP should not suppress or censor people calling naz is out on the forums like they did in the very same campaign thread one "Revedhort, Fon" posted a year ago. Finally, if you believe that worshipping Hit ler, supporting and voicing racial supremacist theories or disseminating content that does so "is a political view", you need to seek professional help. Does there now exist on this planet that political party?
As to CCP censoring racist crap, yes they should completely. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2386
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:46:00 -
[126] - Quote
What's this **** thing?
Fon, are you a neo-****?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:46:00 -
[127] - Quote
just to forestall your next attempt i expect next you'll try to cite page 117 which talks about discrimination based on expression or speech, based on ECHR article 10
you will, in your manifest ignorance, doubtless think aha this applies, but I already checked article 10 and it bars only governmental interference so private entities are absolutely free to discriminate |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:49:00 -
[128] - Quote
Holy shit, everyone please stop actually discussing similarities/differences between the Holocaust and Iraq, Jesus tapdancing Christ.
Can we get back to the issue at hand, which is mocking the efforts of a CSM candidate to pretend he's not a racial surpemacist or huge fan of KKK-leaders and neonazi-rockbands? |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:50:00 -
[129] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom,
If you can't see the difference between a war that was started to attempt to liberate a country from a dictator (and people dying in the process) and a dictator who wanted to kill people to kill people on a mass scale, then I don't know what to tell you.
I might point out the irony here is that the Iraq war was started to release a country from a dictator who had performed acts of genocide in the past, but I think it would be lost on you.
You are unbelievably stupid. Except for the fact that the death toll that has occurred in this "Liberation" is a lot higher than if it was left as is and that if it was purely for liberation the target would have been North Korea or at that time China but then there was WMDs wasnt there. Oh and I believe the last reason for that was they needed more land, there is always a reason to start a war of aggression, I believe japans was oil. It just depends on whether history counts it as a valid reason to kill hundreds of thousands of people. Oh and before you imply it, I believe strongly in soldiers doing as they are ordered, it is the politicians however that should be forced to serve on the front lines.
Saddam's death-toll was as "light" as it was because there was large international intervention (a war).
You just keep getting dumber. HOW. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:50:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:You know, Frying Doom, at this point you should step back and realize that you've given more defense to an avowed neonazi than to a guy who didn't update a wiki 2 years ago. Yes unfortunately I have.
It is as it is against Trebor about personal rights and freedoms.
Now CCP gave us the CSM because of their devs being naughty, now we have unfortunately given a large chunk of the power we were given back.
But on the other I will not back down on a persons right to live without discrimination be it from sex, race, sexual persuasion, religion, disability or political affiliation or lets be frank any other form of discrimination.
do I think neo-nasis suck, yep personally I do but they still have the right to freedom of speech and political association that they would happily deny others. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:52:00 -
[131] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: But on the other I will not back down on a persons right to live without discrimination be it from sex, race, sexual persuasion, religion, disability or political affiliation or lets be frank any other form of discrimination.
do I think neo-nasis suck, yep personally I do but they still have the right to freedom of speech and political association that they would happily deny others.
political affiliation is not a protected class from private discrimination anywhere nor should it be: a company has every right to fire an avowed neonazi or racist and will always do so
i am still waiting for you to back up your claim CCP is barred, under icelandic or any other law, from refusing to associate with a racist and neonazi |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:53:00 -
[132] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:But on the other I will not back down on a persons right to live without discrimination be it from sex, race, sexual persuasion, religion, disability or political affiliation or lets be frank any other form of discrimination.
So do we, the only difference is we aren't ******* sociopaths, and thus we defend every other potential CSM member and CCP staffer that may have to work with this piece of human excrement should he find himself in a CSM seat. You, on the other hand, chose to defend the neonazi. That's why you're getting the reaction you're getting right now. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:54:00 -
[133] - Quote
also neonazi views, like genocide, do not merely "suck"
neonazi views are so abhorrent that anyone who even tolerates someone with those views is unwelcome in any civilized society, let alone the person themself |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:54:00 -
[134] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom,
If you can't see the difference between a war that was started to attempt to liberate a country from a dictator (and people dying in the process) and a dictator who wanted to kill people to kill people on a mass scale, then I don't know what to tell you.
I might point out the irony here is that the Iraq war was started to release a country from a dictator who had performed acts of genocide in the past, but I think it would be lost on you.
You are unbelievably stupid. Except for the fact that the death toll that has occurred in this "Liberation" is a lot higher than if it was left as is and that if it was purely for liberation the target would have been North Korea or at that time China but then there was WMDs wasnt there. Oh and I believe the last reason for that was they needed more land, there is always a reason to start a war of aggression, I believe japans was oil. It just depends on whether history counts it as a valid reason to kill hundreds of thousands of people. Oh and before you imply it, I believe strongly in soldiers doing as they are ordered, it is the politicians however that should be forced to serve on the front lines. Sad dam's death-toll was as "light" as it was because there was large international intervention (a war). You just keep getting dumber. HOW. Actually I have no idea how Operation Desert Storm did that. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:54:00 -
[135] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: But on the other I will not back down on a persons right to live without discrimination be it from sex, race, sexual persuasion, religion, disability or political affiliation or lets be frank any other form of discrimination.
do I think neo-nasis suck, yep personally I do but they still have the right to freedom of speech and political association that they would happily deny others.
To tolerate intolerance is to support intolerance. |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:55:00 -
[136] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: do I think neo-nasis suck, yep personally I do but they still have the right to freedom of speech and political association that they would happily deny others.
And we have the freedom to ridicule people that have voluntarily identified themselves as racist, neonazi shitheels when they're pretending to be good community representatives. |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:56:00 -
[137] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:also neonazi views, like genocide, do not merely "suck"
neonazi views are so abhorrent that anyone who even tolerates someone with those views is unwelcome in any civilized society, let alone the person themself Anything reasonably strong is censored on this forum.
Any view that results in the deaths of any innocent civilians is unwelcome in any civilized society, let alone the person themself. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:57:00 -
[138] - Quote
like let me be very clear virtually any company would fire not only fon but you, frying doom, for your defense of fon in this thread if you did it under your real name and they found out
and they would be completely justified in doing so because they have that right and failure to exercise that right is taken by civilized people to be an implicit endorsement or toleration of those views
american law generally accepts he and you should be free to say these things without punishment from the government (unlike EU law) but offers you absolutely no protection against people refusing to associate with you or do business with you |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:57:00 -
[139] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote: do I think neo-nasis suck, yep personally I do but they still have the right to freedom of speech and political association that they would happily deny others.
And we have the freedom to ridicule people that have voluntarily identified themselves as racist, neonazi shi theels when they're pretending to be good community representatives. Yes you absolutely do and I encourage you to use that freedom.  It is just CCP who cannot exclude them from running in the election on the basis of political association but yes everyone really should make fun of them. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:58:00 -
[140] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Any view that results in the deaths of any innocent civilians is unwelcome in any civilized society, let alone the person themself.
do you support people being able to drive cars?
driving cars leads to the deaths of innocent civilians
welp guess everyone I know is outside civilized society |
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:58:00 -
[141] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:just to forestall your next attempt i expect next you'll try to cite page 117 which talks about discrimination based on expression or speech, based on ECHR article 10
you will, in your manifest ignorance, doubtless think aha this applies, but I already checked article 10 and it bars only governmental interference so private entities are absolutely free to discriminate No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:59:00 -
[142] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Yes you absolutely do and I encourage you to use that freedom.  It is just CCP who cannot exclude them from running in the election on the basis of political association but yes everyone really should make fun of them. still waiting on you to prove this is the case in any country anywhere in the world |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:59:00 -
[143] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate.
yeah that's not how law works, things are legal unless made illegal not the other way around |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:00:00 -
[144] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate.
A law will never tell you what you can do, it will tell you what you cannot do. Anything aside from what the law says you cannot do, you can do. He already told you that. Nice try, though! "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:02:00 -
[145] - Quote
here is the legal principle that says "frying doom's belief you have to have a law to allow you to do things" is nonsense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulla_poena_sine_lege |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:03:00 -
[146] - Quote
its latin and everything since otherwise it is so blindingly obvious that people would look at you funny for saying it out loud, like you were loudly declaring fire was hot |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:04:00 -
[147] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex?
Guess I can't do that.
You're defending a neo-Nazi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:06:00 -
[148] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:like let me be very clear virtually any company would fire not only fon but you, frying doom, for your defense of fon in this thread if you did it under your real name and they found out
and they would be completely justified in doing so because they have that right and failure to exercise that right is taken by civilized people to be an implicit endorsement or toleration of those views
american law generally accepts he and you should be free to say these things without punishment from the government (unlike EU law) but offers you absolutely no protection against people refusing to associate with you or do business with you The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:07:00 -
[149] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate.
if you think it's only in the last 20 years we have gained this right i will do you one better, double the time, and allow you to cite any law in force in 1970 or later |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:08:00 -
[150] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has
"The term discrimination first entered EU discourse in the form of its prohibition on the basis of nationality in Article 18 TFEU. Article 19 TFEU, introduced as Article 13 EC by the Treaty of Amsterdam, extended the grounds on which discrimination is prohibited to sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age and sexual orientation. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, as enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, includes in Article 21(1) a general prohibition of GÇÿany discrimination based on any ground, such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientationGÇÖ."
as I said care to find me one that says organisations have the right to discriminate? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1030
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:10:00 -
[151] - Quote
Since this thread is now mass-spammed, I'm taking my opportunity to remind you that you can use eve-mail to ask questions. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:10:00 -
[152] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate. This may come as a shock, but not every country has American Freedom of Speech or Association laws. Also I'm pretty sure personal freedoms have never been more expansive than they are today so . . .
Fon Revedhort wrote:Since this thread is now mass-spammed, I'm taking my opportunity to remind you that you can use eve-mail to ask questions. Hey Fon I have a question: What are your views on racial equality? |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:11:00 -
[153] - Quote
So...how about this Fon Revedhort dude, huh? |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:11:00 -
[154] - Quote
And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:12:00 -
[155] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has "The term discrimination first entered EU discourse in the form of its prohibition on the basis of nationality in Article 18 TFEU. Article 19 TFEU, introduced as Article 13 EC by the Treaty of Amsterdam, extended the grounds on which discrimination is prohibited to sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age and sexual orientation. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, as enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, includes in Article 21(1) a general prohibition of GÇÿany discrimination based on any ground, such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientationGÇÖ." as I said care to find me one that says organisations have the right to discriminate? article 52, section 3, means the scope of the right that you're citing (since it is enumating rights laid out in the EHCR) is the same as it is in the EHCR, and in that case it's strictly a prohibition against governmental discrimination |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:12:00 -
[156] - Quote
Amon Kadon wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate. This may come as a shock, but not every country has American Freedom of Speech or Association laws. Also I'm pretty sure personal freedoms have never been more expansive than they are today so . . . Fon Revedhort wrote:Since this thread is now mass-spammed, I'm taking my opportunity to remind you that you can use eve-mail to ask questions. Hey Fon I have a question: What are your views on racial equality? All I can say is you are a US citizen born in the 80s or afterwards, did I get that right.
Go read the patriot act. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
168
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
[157] - Quote
Is it just me who finds it somewhat funny that the goons in this thread (People who, by popular belief and stereotype at least, are trying to ruin everyone else's gaming experience, make them commit suicide, gank HS people for fun because goons are sociopaths, psychopaths and psychophants etc etc etc...) are the ones with the reasoned, humane, civilised viewpoints, and the HS miner or whatever (By popular belief and stereotype, calm, civlised, law-abiding, minding-their-own-business etc) is the neonazi sympathiser? It really makes you think, doesn't it...
Anyway, I'll vote for someone else. The largest problem, to me at least, is that with so few candidates, if every vote was cast purely at random, he'd have roughly 50/50 to get in. Mad world, innit? |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
[158] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has "The term discrimination first entered EU discourse in the form of its prohibition on the basis of nationality in Article 18 TFEU. Article 19 TFEU, introduced as Article 13 EC by the Treaty of Amsterdam, extended the grounds on which discrimination is prohibited to sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age and sexual orientation. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, as enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, includes in Article 21(1) a general prohibition of GÇÿany discrimination based on any ground, such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientationGÇÖ." as I said care to find me one that says organisations have the right to discriminate? article 52, section 3, means the scope of the right that you're citing (since it is enumating rights laid out in the EHCR) is the same as it is in the EHCR, and in that case it's strictly a prohibition against governmental discrimination Shame I am not quoting from there but you are obviously under the belief that anyone who is not a government can discriminate. So I will no longer try to break your illusion. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
[159] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. all parts of all democratic countries, to be specific
if you're trying to claim the opposite, that parts of australia ban you from doing anything not specifically allowed by law, you're going to need to show something to support that |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has Where is the one that tells me how I CAN.
Again, you seem to miss the point.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:15:00 -
[161] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:So...how about this Fon Revedhort dude, huh? Actually we got kind of side tracked, or I did.
Sorry please feel free to make fun of the nasi scum. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:17:00 -
[162] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sorry please feel free to make fun of the nasi scum.
We're already making fun of you, Herr Doom. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:17:00 -
[163] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Shame I am not quoting from there but you are obviously under the belief that anyone who is not a government can discriminate. So I will no longer try to break your illusion.
the snippit you are citing cites to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union to support the claim you made
i went and read it
i actually know what im talking about and know for an absolute fact you're wrong
private organizations and citizens have the freedom of association, to associate with whom they wish
now, that freedom is limited in many circumstances so you are not allowed to discriminate on protected grounds in most cases, but political opinion is not one of them and most certainly not neonazi and racist views
you have been given many chances to back up your claims of knowing things about laws, yet every time you manage to cite somethign it appears to be you just googling things and copy/pasting them without checking the underlying law
i suggest you start, as I will always be checking the underlying law |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:19:00 -
[164] - Quote
it is also genuinely hilarious that someone is claiming that ~the sheeple~ have allowed their liberties to be taken away while at the same time claiming that it is the law that you are not allowed to do something unless the government specifically says you can |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:19:00 -
[165] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has Where is the one that tells me how I CAN. Again, you seem to miss the point. Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:22:00 -
[166] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
that (unconstitutional, void) law is not be worded "missionary sex is allowed" if it even exists which i doubt
it is worded something along the lines of "all sex, besides missionary, is banned"
there is a specific ban, then an exemption carved out
if there was no law about sex on the books you would be allowed to do whatever you pleased, not banned from having sex because there was no law allowing it |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:23:00 -
[167] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com?
Man oh man. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:24:00 -
[168] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. all parts of all democratic countries, to be specific if you're trying to claim the opposite, that parts of australia ban you from doing anything not specifically allowed by law, you're going to need to show something to support that No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:25:00 -
[169] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can.
yeah find me anything to support that |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:26:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies.
The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is.
For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:26:00 -
[171] - Quote
i cannot be bothered to find whatever obviously wrong thing you're reading or figure out what actual real thing you massively misunderstood so give me a link and i will explain how what you think is not true |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:27:00 -
[172] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can.
yeah find me anything to support that Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:28:00 -
[173] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies. The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is. For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. in general all of those suppsed dumb laws don't exist
like "it is illegal to wash your llama in a bathtub on sundays!" el oh el turns out to be it's just illegal to wash any animal in a tub meant for human use on any day of the week, and they just make it overly specific to make it seem dumb |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:29:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:it is also genuinely hilarious that someone is claiming that ~the sheeple~ have allowed their liberties to be taken away while at the same time claiming that it is the law that you are not allowed to do something unless the government specifically says you can You might want to have a look at Voting laws.
Do they omit your right to vote subsequently by your argument giving you the right to vote? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:30:00 -
[175] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering.
you are making the claim, you support it
every time you give me something to actually work with (a mistake you've made twice) i've cited the specific provisions of actual law that knock it down
and given everything you've said about law is incorrect we're obviously not going to take your word for it
you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all and are just hoping i get distracted in a wild-goose chase for a link that doesn't exist |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:32:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies. The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is. For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. in general all of those suppsed dumb laws don't exist like "it is illegal to wash your llama in a bathtub on sundays!" el oh el turns out to be it's just illegal to wash any animal in a tub meant for human use on any day of the week, and they just make it overly specific to make it seem dumb Well here is an easy dumb law for you.
Western Australia still has the death penalty for mass murder and mass ****. It cannot be used as it would be found to be cruel and unusual punishment by the high court.
Yes these laws do exist. The American one honestly no idea, the Australian ones yes they do.
Same as drink driving in a babies pram, law exists in Australia. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:33:00 -
[177] - Quote
if you google the cubed root of the number formed by taking the 198,328th digit of the largest mersenne prime through the 200,000th occurance of the digit "1", you find a link proving i'm right
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:37:00 -
[178] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Well here is an easy dumb law for you.
Western Australia still has the death penalty for mass murder and mass ****. It cannot be used as it would be found to be cruel and unusual punishment by the high court.
Yes these laws do exist. The American one honestly no idea, the Australian ones yes they do.
Same as drink driving in a babies pram, law exists in Australia.
i have no idea what you think "sometimes nations don't get around to removing laws from the books that everyone knows are unconstitutional and are never used" proves for you
that happens everywhere with a constitutional court all the time, laws against sodomy are probably still on the books of most american states though they're void after lawrence v. texas because nobody enforces them and nobody has gotten around to the whole process of removing them |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:40:00 -
[179] - Quote
to bring this around to fon:
ccp is freely allowed under icelandic, and any other law, to remove fon from the running and refuse to associate with him. although they have failed to do this (and we should castigate them for that), we should all realize that fon, and anyone who associates with him and defends him, are unworthy of a vote and should not be associated with |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:42:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering.
you are making the claim, you support it every time you give me something to actually work with (a mistake you've made twice) i've cited the specific provisions of actual law that knock it down and given everything you've said about law is incorrect we're obviously not going to take your word for it you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all and are just hoping i get distracted in a wild-goose chase for a link that doesn't exist Ok how about Directive 2006/54/EC that the countries laws come from? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:45:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:to bring this around to fon:
ccp is freely allowed under icelandic, and any other law, to remove fon from the running and refuse to associate with him. although they have failed to do this (and we should castigate them for that), we should all realize that fon, and anyone who associates with him and defends him, are unworthy of a vote and should not be associated with So your now saying that anyone who defends some one like him should not be associated with.
So you are saying never talk to barristers, solicitors, judges, politicians, hell anyone how votes for a persons rights.
Funny I am standing up for a scums personal rights and it is your limited views I feel sorry for. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:46:00 -
[182] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Ok how about Directive 2006/54/EC that the countries laws come from?
that refers to discrimination on the basis of sex, which is explicitly banned in employment in most countries: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:204:0023:0036:en:PDF
you will not, however, find anything of the sort that bars private discrimination on the basis of political opinions or ideology |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:46:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Sorry please feel free to make fun of the nasi scum. We're already making fun of you, Herr Doom. Thank you  We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:46:00 -
[184] - Quote
keep reading that is only the top We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:47:00 -
[185] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering.
you are making the claim, you support it every time you give me something to actually work with (a mistake you've made twice) i've cited the specific provisions of actual law that knock it down and given everything you've said about law is incorrect we're obviously not going to take your word for it you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all and are just hoping i get distracted in a wild-goose chase for a link that doesn't exist Ok how about Directive 2006/54/EC that the countries laws come from? Directive 2006/54/EC concerns the matter of equal employment and wage opportunities on the basis of sex.
Last time I checked when I renewed my drivers license, the checkbox for sex didn't say
But that may have changed since then. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:47:00 -
[186] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:So your now saying that anyone who defends some one like him should not be associated with.
Yes.
Frying Doom wrote:So you are saying never talk to barristers, solicitors, judges
They're legally obliged, you're not.
Frying Doom wrote:Funny I am standing up for a scums personal rights and it is your limited views I feel sorry for.
The only rights he has as far as CSM eligibility are the ones you've made up in your mind. Also by doing this you've spat upon the rights of literally everyone else in this process that may not want to associate with a neonazi. You were given the choice of defending a neonazi or everyone else and you picked the neonazi. It might be "take a good, long look in the mirror" time for you. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:48:00 -
[187] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: So your now saying that anyone who defends some one like him should not be associated with.
So you are saying never talk to barristers, solicitors, judges, politicians, hell anyone how votes for a persons rights.
Funny I am standing up for a scums personal rights and it is your limited views I feel sorry for.
a lawyer defends their client's legal rights, which is different from standing up and saying yes, let us all associate with the racist and treat him like his views are not abhorrent |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:50:00 -
[188] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: keep reading that is only the top
nope that's the entire thing, the entire thing is about discrimination on the basis of sex and how it shall be banned and how that ban shall be enforced
feel free to quote the section you think is in there but is not because I read the whole thing |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:50:00 -
[189] - Quote
How about we go for a simple base mark
Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:50:00 -
[190] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:keep reading that is only the top I have read and studied the entire directive. It is all about sex. Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex.
Here, read for yourself, since it's clear you haven't yet: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:204:0023:0036:en:PDF |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
460
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: How about we go for a simple base mark
Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights
as you'll recall I already knocked that one down: it only applies to the government
Quote:Article 10 GÇô Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
it's a poor man's first amendment: it bars nothing the first amendment doesn't bar and it has that giant exception in clause 2 |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7867
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:53:00 -
[192] - Quote
So the guy who literally refers to 'too many null reps on the csm' as a 'war crime' in his sig is now bending over backwards to vehemently defend an actual neo-**** by citing any random law he can find anywhere while not being a lawyer himself in an argument with actual licensed attorneys.
Meanwhile, Fon is still 'approved' as a CSM candidate despite his recent interview defending his views on racial nationalism.
Just trying to make sure I 'get' this thread.
~hi~ |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
169
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:53:00 -
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Okay, I'm not a lawyer, but political science is something I have studied for quite a while (And work with, albeit unpaid). I'm saying that PolSci is my qualification simply because I want you to be sure that this is, in fact, a post calling your bullshit.
The ECHR concerns itself with states, citizens and people without citizenship. Although some are clearly also directed as companies (Check out Article 4), those are rights given to people, not mandates to companies. Article 14 doesn't give you freedom from discrimination on basis of the traits listed, but states that the ECHR itself is not discriminating on those basis. See this:
Quote:The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as (...)
The articles 10 and 11 have clauses allowing for national law to limit the rights in the ECHR, as it is done in Germany, Poland, Netherlands, France (?) and other countries in regard to the **** parties and their broader supporters (And in Germany, several fascist parties or groups as well - AFAIK).
Now, when it comes to private companies, they too are under some restrictions to their conduct. A company in Denmark is not allowed to discriminate on basis of gender, race or sexuality, for example. What Danish law does fully allow, though, is evaluating a persons competence to fulfill the job in question. A company not hiring a neonazi as spokesman or advisor is not discrimination in any way, shape or form. It's simply the company determining that the neonazi does not have the qualities they're looking for. A tech company could, for example, be looking for some pretty girls to stand around their booths at conventions. When said tech company doesn't hire men, it's not discrimination in regards to gender, but simply picking the employees with the qualities, traits, abilities and whatever, required to do the job.
Furthermore, in this case it's not even employment. It's an advisory position, a thing that for a private company in Denmark would only be regulated by their own rules (Well, and privacy laws etc, but not any discrimination laws). I'm not exactly sure how not-employed and unpaid advisors in Iceland are protected by law, but I'm risking the bet and say that discrimination in the appointment process is not a part of the package. |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:10:00 -
[194] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Frying Doom wrote: How about we go for a simple base mark
Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights
as you'll recall I already knocked that one down: it only applies to the government Quote:Article 10 GÇô Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary. it's a poor man's first amendment: it bars nothing the first amendment doesn't bar and it has that giant exception in clause 2 Ok lets try this as a belief system for you then
"Baggs v Fudge an Employment Tribunal found that a claimant's membership of the BNP was not a philosophical belief because the BNP restricted its membership on racial grounds, but did not require members to hold a particular religious, philosophical or political belief. Similarly, in Finnon v Asda Stores Ltd, the Tribunal found that British Nationalism did not involve a clear belief system or a profound belief affecting the way of life or view of the world.
Following these two cases, the EAT decision in Grainger plc and others v Nicholson suggested that while "support of a political party" does not of itself amount to a philosophical belief, a belief in a political philosophy or doctrine, such as Socialism, Marxism or free-market Capitalism, might qualify.
Therefore, contrary to this existing caselaw, the ECtHR's decision in Redfearn may open a window for claimants to suggest that membership of a political party, such as the BNP, does amount to a philosophical belief capable of protection under the Equality Act 2010."
Also note "Can I use the Human rights act against another private individual who infringes my rights?
Not directly. You cannot sue, or be sued by, another individual for breaking the Convention rights. But you may benifit indirectly because the Human Rights Act means all laws have to be given meaning and effect which is as close as possible to the Convention Rights." So see above.
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:15:00 -
[195] - Quote
Alphea Abbra wrote:Okay, I'm not a lawyer, but political science is something I have studied for quite a while (And work with, albeit unpaid). I'm saying that PolSci is my qualification simply because I want you to be sure that this is, in fact, a post calling your bullshit. The ECHR concerns itself with states, citizens and people without citizenship. Although some are clearly also directed as companies (Check out Article 4), those are rights given to people, not mandates to companies. Article 14 doesn't give you freedom from discrimination on basis of the traits listed, but states that the ECHR itself is not discriminating on those basis. See this: Quote:The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as (...) The articles 10 and 11 have clauses allowing for national law to limit the rights in the ECHR, as it is done in Germany, Poland, Netherlands, France (?) and other countries in regard to the **** parties and their broader supporters (And in Germany, several fascist parties or groups as well - AFAIK). Now, when it comes to private companies, they too are under some restrictions to their conduct. A company in Denmark is not allowed to discriminate on basis of gender, race or sexuality, for example. What Danish law does fully allow, though, is evaluating a persons competence to fulfill the job in question. A company not hiring a neonazi as spokesman or advisor is not discrimination in any way, shape or form. It's simply the company determining that the neonazi does not have the qualities they're looking for. A tech company could, for example, be looking for some pretty girls to stand around their booths at conventions. When said tech company doesn't hire men, it's not discrimination in regards to gender, but simply picking the employees with the qualities, traits, abilities and whatever, required to do the job. Furthermore, in this case it's not even employment. It's an advisory position, a thing that for a private company in Denmark would only be regulated by their own rules (Well, and privacy laws etc, but not any discrimination laws). I'm not exactly sure how not-employed and unpaid advisors in Iceland are protected by law, but I'm risking the bet and say that discrimination in the appointment process is not a part of the package. To be honest I have no idea if they have any laws covering voluntary workers in Iceland. Here they have to be covered with workers comp insurance, public liability insurance ect. ect. and given the cost it is almost better to just pay people. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
465
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:17:00 -
[196] - Quote
I'm neither a lawyer nor a political scientist, but: Seriously, Frying Doom, all you're doing here is keeping this thread at the top of Jita Park, for no other reason than your unwillingness to concede and back down.
Is this really the hill you want to die on? Malcanis, Ripard Teg, and Trebor Daehdoow for CSM 8
(I have three accounts, so why not?) |

Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:20:00 -
[197] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:So the guy who literally refers to 'too many null reps on the csm' as a 'war crime' in his sig is now bending over backwards to vehemently defend an actual neo-**** by citing any random law he can find anywhere while not being a lawyer himself in an argument with actual licensed attorneys.
Meanwhile, Fon is still 'approved' as a CSM candidate despite his recent interview defending his views on racial nationalism.
Just trying to make sure I 'get' this thread. Well you missed the point completely.
My sig is a joke, kind of like the getting drunk and telling jokes.
But then there is the serious bit and that does not get much more serious than what this all comes back to "THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS"
Which is kind of where everything comes from.
But I thought you knew treaties helped form laws, so random treaties would have been a better comment. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2023
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:22:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:I'm neither a lawyer nor a political scientist, but: Seriously, Frying Doom, all you're doing here is keeping this thread at the top of Jita Park, for no other reason than your unwillingness to concede and back down.
Is this really the hill you want to die on? No frankly I think I have made my point.
Our basic human freedoms are worth fighting for, we should not just role over because our governments gave us some lovely words like weapons of mass destruction and terrorism. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:24:00 -
[199] - Quote
Even if there is a law that says you have to hire Hitler-worshipping racists, it wouldn't apply here since the CSM is in no way employed by CCP. They are just inviting a bunch of players to talk to them in skype and fly them to iceland. I doubt there is any kind of work contract besides the NDA.
Also there are banned political parties in Germany and Volksverhetzung is quite a serious offence. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:27:00 -
[200] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets try this as a belief system for you then
"Baggs v Fudge an Employment Tribunal found that a claimant's membership of the BNP was not a philosophical belief because the BNP restricted its membership on racial grounds, but did not require members to hold a particular religious, philosophical or political belief. Similarly, in Finnon v Asda Stores Ltd, the Tribunal found that British Nationalism did not involve a clear belief system or a profound belief affecting the way of life or view of the world.
Following these two cases, the EAT decision in Grainger plc and others v Nicholson suggested that while "support of a political party" does not of itself amount to a philosophical belief, a belief in a political philosophy or doctrine, such as Socialism, Marxism or free-market Capitalism, might qualify.
Therefore, contrary to this existing caselaw, the ECtHR's decision in Redfearn may open a window for claimants to suggest that membership of a political party, such as the BNP, does amount to a philosophical belief capable of protection under the Equality Act 2010."
Also note "Can I use the Human rights act against another private individual who infringes my rights?
Not directly. You cannot sue, or be sued by, another individual for breaking the Convention rights. But you may benifit indirectly because the Human Rights Act means all laws have to be given meaning and effect which is as close as possible to the Convention Rights." So see above.
What are you even talking about?
The case you quoted (and several like it) went against the claimant and sided with the employer; that his political beliefs were not protected by disciminatory law.
Also, in the UK, you cannot be prison guard or member of the police force if you are BNP.
Your fantasy world where you can be an out-an-proud neo-Nazi and be protected under law is just that, fantasy. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
53
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:27:00 -
[201] - Quote
Holy **** this thread turned into the holohoax memorial 2013. |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
53
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:29:00 -
[202] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets try this as a belief system for you then
"Baggs v Fudge an Employment Tribunal found that a claimant's membership of the BNP was not a philosophical belief because the BNP restricted its membership on racial grounds, but did not require members to hold a particular religious, philosophical or political belief. Similarly, in Finnon v Asda Stores Ltd, the Tribunal found that British Nationalism did not involve a clear belief system or a profound belief affecting the way of life or view of the world.
Following these two cases, the EAT decision in Grainger plc and others v Nicholson suggested that while "support of a political party" does not of itself amount to a philosophical belief, a belief in a political philosophy or doctrine, such as Socialism, Marxism or free-market Capitalism, might qualify.
Therefore, contrary to this existing caselaw, the ECtHR's decision in Redfearn may open a window for claimants to suggest that membership of a political party, such as the BNP, does amount to a philosophical belief capable of protection under the Equality Act 2010."
Also note "Can I use the Human rights act against another private individual who infringes my rights?
Not directly. You cannot sue, or be sued by, another individual for breaking the Convention rights. But you may benifit indirectly because the Human Rights Act means all laws have to be given meaning and effect which is as close as possible to the Convention Rights." So see above.
What are you even talking about? The case you quoted (and several like it) went against the claimant and sided with the employer; that his political beliefs were not protected by disciminatory law. Also, in the UK, you cannot be prison guard or member of the police force if you are BNP. Your fantasy world where you can be an out-an-proud neo-Na zi and be protected under law is just that, fantasy.
Actually it's completely legal and protected under US Law to be a national socialist - literally nothing is stopping you legally, and as a citizen of the US you're constitutionally protected no matter the opinion you have.
(Unless you're a suspected terrorist, then fascism is a++++) |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:29:00 -
[203] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Well you missed the point completely.
My sig is a joke, kind of like the getting drunk and telling jokes.
But then there is the serious bit and that does not get much more serious than what this all comes back to "THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS"
Which is kind of where everything comes from.
But I thought you knew treaties helped form laws, so random treaties would have been a better comment. Just to put this in perspective, you are copying and pasting results of Google searches to try to prove yourself right. He (and another member you are arguing with) have actual legal experience (are licensed attorneys).
I dunno man, you might want to look at this in some perspective. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:30:00 -
[204] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: No frankly I think I have made my point.
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not. |

Frying Doom
2024
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:35:00 -
[205] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No frankly I think I have made my point.
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not. Fair enough
It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not.
That is your right. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2024
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:37:00 -
[206] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Well you missed the point completely.
My sig is a joke, kind of like the getting drunk and telling jokes.
But then there is the serious bit and that does not get much more serious than what this all comes back to "THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS"
Which is kind of where everything comes from.
But I thought you knew treaties helped form laws, so random treaties would have been a better comment. Just to put this in perspective, you are copying and pasting results of Google searches to try to prove yourself right. He (and another member you are arguing with) have actual legal experience (are licensed attorneys). I dunno man, you might want to look at this in some perspective. Strangely licensed US attorneys where there is absolutely no doubt about a persons right to be a member of any political party and be immune from discrimination.
So you might want to check if they are licensed to practice in the EU  We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
56
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:39:00 -
[207] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:So the guy who literally refers to 'too many null reps on the csm' as a 'war crime' in his sig is now bending over backwards to vehemently defend an actual neo-**** by citing any random law he can find anywhere while not being a lawyer himself in an argument with actual licensed attorneys.
Meanwhile, Fon is still 'approved' as a CSM candidate despite his recent interview defending his views on racial nationalism.
Just trying to make sure I 'get' this thread.
So the guy who literally piggybacked his way through a degree mill on daddys money to become a lawyer (worst scum in the universe next to gods chosen people) defends radical liberal ideology that the races are in fact equal after having had such cancerous ideology beaten into him from a young age.
Meanwhile, you got kicked off the CSM for not being able to hold your drink and embarrassing yourself in front of a live audience.
ur a *** lol |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:41:00 -
[208] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not.
Ask a Neo-Na-¡zi what they think about universal human rights.
Go on.
Ask. |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
56
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:46:00 -
[209] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Frying Doom wrote: It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not.
Ask a Neo-Na-¡zi what they think about human rights. Go on. Ask.
I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights.
Mass immigration and cultural marxism are both poison to the society and cultures the 'western world' has created over the past 1000~ years, the colonization of the world by white society has done nothing but improve the standard of living for every country we've touched (except the ones we've been forced out of by the kind of anti-white racism you seem to champion, lol zimbabwe/south africa). Why should we allow non-whites with alien cultures who have chosen to not assimilate to our cultures and values into our communities and homes?
Oh wait i'm a racist so i don't deserve a counter argument and I'm sure you pathetic liberal scum will report this post as fast as you can~
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:48:00 -
[210] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No frankly I think I have made my point.
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not. Fair enough It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not.That is your right.
Once again, I feel like I must go on record to point out that this observation, as well as the solid majority of your arguments in this thread, is catastrophically wrong, but good effort for trying and a great attempt at the whole last word thing.
You should totally go ahead and quote the passage where I said that, though. And, if all else fails, just flood the next couple of pages with some more walls of text, noone will ever be the wiser. |
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:50:00 -
[211] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No frankly I think I have made my point.
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not. Fair enough It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not. That is your right.
It is literally hilarious to me that you use the charter of Human Rights (written to prevent the genocide of WW2 ever happening again) as a document to defend someone who holds that it was a good idea.
Not only that, but the charter itself makes no attempt to defend people who believe in harm towards others, and even stipulates that "free speech" cannot be used as a defence for inciting hatred (article 30).
You have exactly no idea what you are talking about. Please, please just stop. This is embarrassing for you and for anyone who has to read this drivel. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:56:00 -
[212] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Axis Raikkonen wrote:Frying Doom wrote: It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not.
Ask a Neo-Na-¡zi what they think about human rights. Go on. Ask. I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own. Mass immigration and cultural marxism are both poison to the society and cultures the 'western world' has created over the past 1000~ years, the colonization of the world by white society has done nothing but improve the standard of living for every country we've touched (except the ones we've been forced out of by the kind of anti-white racism you seem to champion, lol zimbabwe/south africa). Why should we allow non-whites with alien cultures who have chosen to not assimilate to our cultures and values into our communities and homes? Oh wait i'm a racist so i don't deserve a counter argument and I'm sure you pathetic liberal scum will report this post as fast as you can~
Haha, the only supporter of the OP outs himself as a racist shithead. You got 2 things right though. Your misguided ramblings don't deserve a counter-argument and I already reported your post :) |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:56:00 -
[213] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:[ I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own.
Tell me, how do you reconcile "I'm all for human rights" with "get out of my country that I'm not originally from because WHITE POWER WHITE POWER WHITE POWER"? im totally legit interested, tia |

Frying Doom
2024
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:57:00 -
[214] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Frying Doom wrote: It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not.
Ask a Neo-Na-¡zi what they think about universal human rights. Go on. Ask. So because a Neo-Na-¡zi does not believe in anothers human rights they should not have any?
Then you enter the slippery slope of what about the Chinese, the citizens of the USA and their crummy record, how about we move the bar a bit more and include those who can't read....
It is a slippery slope that man kind has used before, everyone should have the basic human rights, no matter what their beliefs. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
57
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:57:00 -
[215] - Quote
Eezee Gonozal wrote:Haha, the only supporter of the OP outs himself as a racist shithead. You got 2 things right though. Your misguided ramblings don't deserve a counter-argument and I already reported your post :)
If caring for what my people created and wanting to preserve that heritage makes me a racist, so be it. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2390
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:59:00 -
[216] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:So the guy who literally refers to 'too many null reps on the csm' as a 'war crime' in his sig is now bending over backwards to vehemently defend an actual neo-**** by citing any random law he can find anywhere while not being a lawyer himself in an argument with actual licensed attorneys.
Meanwhile, Fon is still 'approved' as a CSM candidate despite his recent interview defending his views on racial nationalism.
Just trying to make sure I 'get' this thread.
I'm trying to make my mind whether this natsi thing is some crazy Goon propaganda or based on actual facts, and since this thread went places- could someone link something?
I fully support Fon's platform as what comes to this spaceship game, but would like to reserve judgement about this neonatsi thing.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:59:00 -
[217] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Womyn Power wrote:[ I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own.
Tell me, how do you reconcile "I'm all for human rights" with "get out of my country that I'm not originally from because WHITE POWER WHITE POWER WHITE POWER"? im totally legit interested, tia
I heard ignorance is the next best thing. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Frying Doom
2024
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 17:59:00 -
[218] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No frankly I think I have made my point.
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not. Fair enough It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not. That is your right. It is literally hilarious to me that you use the charter of Human Rights (written to prevent the genocide of WW2 ever happening again) as a document to defend someone who holds that it was a good idea. Not only that, but the charter itself makes no attempt to defend people who believe in harm towards others, and even stipulates that "free speech" cannot be used as a defence for inciting hatred (article 30). You have exactly no idea what you are talking about. Please, please just stop. This is embarrassing for you and for anyone who has to read this drivel. Yes it does. However it doesn't say if you are a racist you have no human rights, as you seem to be implying. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
353
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:00:00 -
[219] - Quote
Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :)
Goonswarm 2013.
Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob. |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:01:00 -
[220] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: So because a Neo-Na-¡zi does not believe in anothers human rights they should not have any?
Actually, yeah.
Just like how freedom of speech and expression cannot be expressly used to suppress the freedom of expression of others (hate speech), I believe that abuse of your human rights to invalidate another's is grounds for invalidating your own. |
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
57
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:02:00 -
[221] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Womyn Power wrote:[ I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own.
Tell me, how do you reconcile "I'm all for human rights" with "get out of my country that I'm not originally from because WHITE POWER WHITE POWER WHITE POWER"?
I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from.
I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism.
As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:03:00 -
[222] - Quote
We should rally up all the racists and force them to live a life of manual labor in camp-like facilities scattered across the globe.
TIA Obama. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
328
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:06:00 -
[223] - Quote
Varesk wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :) Goonswarm 2013. Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob.
So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection? |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:07:00 -
[224] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:Varesk wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :) Goonswarm 2013. Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob. So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection?
someone's disagreeing with me, better call him a neo-naazi. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
57
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:07:00 -
[225] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:Varesk wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :) Goonswarm 2013. Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob. So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection?
Goons long ago took the smug ground over the high ground.
Nothing can allow you to be more smug than the righteous stance of 'hating racists'.
le goonie scum face |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:08:00 -
[226] - Quote
Roderick Grey wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:Varesk wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :) Goonswarm 2013. Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob. So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection? someone's disagreeing with me, better call him a neo-naazi. Someone's playing Neo-Na-¡zi rock music and quoting famous neo-Na-¡zis left and right, better call him a neo-Na-¡zi.
Not sure how this is so confusing for you? |

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
329
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:10:00 -
[227] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:Varesk wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :) Goonswarm 2013. Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob. So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection? Goons long ago took the smug ground over the high ground. Nothing can allow you to be more smug than the righteous stance of 'hating racists'. le goonie scum face
I'll just think of you and :hi5: one of my coloured friends during easter :smug: |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
57
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:11:00 -
[228] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote: Someone's playing Neo-Na-¡zi rock music and quoting famous neo-Na-¡zis left and right, better call him a neo-Na-¡zi.
Not sure how this is so confusing for you?
I find your lack of comment on any of my arguments telling, you and the majority of the posters in this thread against Fon simply have no logical argument against anything that's been brought up. You parrot your leftist ideology with no idea of what you are actually saying. It's pretty hilarious, even more so if you're a finn like your name suggests. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:11:00 -
[229] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:Varesk wrote:Eezee Gonozal wrote: I already reported your post :) Goonswarm 2013. Not sure what happened to GSF. You guys use to be the leaders in this kind of stuff. Look at your history with Ev0ke. I am sure you know all about this. Congrats on turning GSF into Bob. So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection? someone's disagreeing with me, better call him a neo-naazi. Someone's playing Neo-Na-¡zi rock music and quoting famous neo-Na-¡zis left and right, better call him a neo-Na-¡zi. Not sure how this is so confusing for you?
Calm down, take a step back and read the posts.
If you failed that, Ivana is accusing Varesk of being a Neo-**** because he's buttflustered due to his leader sperged out his bitterness where it wasn't needed. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:12:00 -
[230] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Frying Doom wrote: No frankly I think I have made my point.
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not. Fair enough It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not. That is your right. It is literally hilarious to me that you use the charter of Human Rights (written to prevent the genocide of WW2 ever happening again) as a document to defend someone who holds that it was a good idea. Not only that, but the charter itself makes no attempt to defend people who believe in harm towards others, and even stipulates that "free speech" cannot be used as a defence for inciting hatred (article 30). You have exactly no idea what you are talking about. Please, please just stop. This is embarrassing for you and for anyone who has to read this drivel. Yes it does. However it doesn't say if you are a racist you have no human rights, as you seem to be implying. I'm not implying that at all, since no one at any point has said he should be removed of any of his rights.
It is you who has created (in your flawed argument) this fallacious link.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not state that CCP cannot refuse to hire a neo-Nazi -- so saying people are "against human rights" for simply stating facts is just wrong.
You're caught in a loop where you're defending an indefensible position because you don't want to back down. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1031
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:12:00 -
[231] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote: I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from.
I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism.
As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am.
Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:13:00 -
[232] - Quote
Roime wrote: I'm trying to make my mind whether this natsi thing is some crazy Goon propaganda or based on actual facts, and since this thread went places- could someone link something?
I fully support Fon's platform as what comes to this spaceship game, but would like to reserve judgement about this neonatsi thing.
Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening:
http://i.imgur.com/8xq4BOO.png
While he is quoting words from the song "Der Widerstand" by the german neonazi rockband "Sleipnir" (indicating he has a grasp on the lyrics both in the opening and in a later song where he quotes "Den Dolch an der Kehle", which translates into "With the dagger on your throat" when he hits low armor/structure), he lists the docket number as "14/88".
Just go ahead, take a minute and enter "14/88" into Wikipedia. You're welcome.
Then, skipping the horrible songs, including the russian one with acutal "Sieg Heil" in the lyrics, go to the very end where he lists his soundtrack. Just go ahead and google a handful of the bands you see there.
When you're done with that, check out this interview done by Xander Phoena for the CSM 8 elections. Fon Revedhort's real gems are towards the end, where he suddenly pretends to no longer understand english instead of digging himself deeper into the hole he's already in.
And that's just off the top of my head. Others should be more than able to weigh in with his frequent quotes from other places on these forums. |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
57
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:13:00 -
[233] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
I'll just think of you and :hi5: one of my coloured friends during easter :smug:
There's nothing wrong with having 'coloured' friends (I'm not sure if you understand the base meaning of that word, as you're probably an American, however.)
Fyi, coloreds in south africa dislike the 'native' africans just as much as the few whites left there. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:14:00 -
[234] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
I'll just think of you and :hi5: one of my coloured friends during easter :smug:
I'm getting called out, better resort to more posting gimmicks. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
53
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:15:00 -
[235] - Quote
Roderick Grey wrote: If you failed that, Ivana is accusing Varesk of being a Neo-**** because he's buttflustered due to his leader sperging out his bitterness where it wasn't needed.
I'm not sure I see where Ivana accused Varesk of being a neo-Na-¡zi. I see this:
Quote:So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection? ...but I didn't take it as "Varesk is a neo-Na-¡zi". |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:15:00 -
[236] - Quote
Roime wrote:The Mittani wrote:So the guy who literally refers to 'too many null reps on the csm' as a 'war crime' in his sig is now bending over backwards to vehemently defend an actual neo-**** by citing any random law he can find anywhere while not being a lawyer himself in an argument with actual licensed attorneys.
Meanwhile, Fon is still 'approved' as a CSM candidate despite his recent interview defending his views on racial nationalism.
Just trying to make sure I 'get' this thread. I'm trying to make my mind whether this natsi thing is some crazy Goon propaganda or based on actual facts, and since this thread went places- could someone link something? I fully support Fon's platform as what comes to this spaceship game, but would like to reserve judgement about this neonatsi thing. I was going to try to post proof, but then Fon went and did it himself.
Also his PVP videos are full of it. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:18:00 -
[237] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Roderick Grey wrote: If you failed that, Ivana is accusing Varesk of being a Neo-**** because he's buttflustered due to his leader sperging out his bitterness where it wasn't needed.
I'm not sure I see where Ivana accused Varesk of being a neo-Na-¡zi. I see this: Quote:So objecting ageinst neo ***** and rasists makes us BoB? Do you feel hit by the arguments since you make that connection? ...but I didn't take it as "Varesk is a neo-Na-¡zi". Perhaps I'm just not reading it right.
It's certainly implied spacefriend. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:18:00 -
[238] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:
I'd like to adamantly go on record saying: No, you most certainly have not.
Fair enough It is my belief that human rights are worth fighting for, your opinion is that they are not. That is your right. It is literally hilarious to me that you use the charter of Human Rights (written to prevent the genocide of WW2 ever happening again) as a document to defend someone who holds that it was a good idea. Not only that, but the charter itself makes no attempt to defend people who believe in harm towards others, and even stipulates that "free speech" cannot be used as a defence for inciting hatred (article 30). You have exactly no idea what you are talking about. Please, please just stop. This is embarrassing for you and for anyone who has to read this drivel. Yes it does. However it doesn't say if you are a racist you have no human rights, as you seem to be implying. I'm not implying that at all, since no one at any point has said he should be removed of any of his rights. It is you who has created (in your flawed argument) this fallacious link. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not state that CCP cannot refuse to hire a neo-Na zi -- so saying people are "against human rights" for simply stating facts is just wrong. You're caught in a loop where you're defending an indefensible position because you don't want to back down. Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
54
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:21:00 -
[239] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from.
I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism.
As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am.
Sums it up pretty nice, actually. We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home? Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas. Thanks for finally joining our discussion.
The real question is, if you're sitting on the CSM with a Jew, a homosexual, a gypsy, a black person, an asian, etc., are you able to set your prejudices and your Neo-Na-¡zi beliefs aside and work with them as human beings on the same level with a sense of mutual respect and dignity? |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:21:00 -
[240] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Roime wrote:The Mittani wrote:So the guy who literally refers to 'too many null reps on the csm' as a 'war crime' in his sig is now bending over backwards to vehemently defend an actual neo-**** by citing any random law he can find anywhere while not being a lawyer himself in an argument with actual licensed attorneys.
Meanwhile, Fon is still 'approved' as a CSM candidate despite his recent interview defending his views on racial nationalism.
Just trying to make sure I 'get' this thread. I'm trying to make my mind whether this natsi thing is some crazy Goon propaganda or based on actual facts, and since this thread went places- could someone link something? I fully support Fon's platform as what comes to this spaceship game, but would like to reserve judgement about this neonatsi thing. I was going to try to post proof, but then Fon went and did it himself. Also his PVP videos are full of it. Not as bad as what I was expecting but definitely not great that's for sure. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:24:00 -
[241] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote: Thanks for finally joining our discussion.
The real question is, if you're sitting on the CSM with a Jew, a homosexual, a gypsy, a black person, an asian, etc., are you able to set your prejudices and your Neo-Na-¡zi beliefs aside and work with them as human beings on the same level with a sense of mutual respect and dignity?
Of course he wont, he'll start foaming at the mouth and attacking them. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:26:00 -
[242] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? How does this fit in with
Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run. Exactly?
CCP can absolutely do what you say they cannot, and if, worst case scenario, he was elected, they would be expected to by the media and pretty much everyone.
It's not discrimination and is protected by exactly no laws. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
13
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:26:00 -
[243] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Axis Raikkonen wrote:Womyn Power wrote:[ I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own.
Tell me, how do you reconcile "I'm all for human rights" with "get out of my country that I'm not originally from because WHITE POWER WHITE POWER WHITE POWER"? I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from. I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism. As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am.
For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1031
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:26:00 -
[244] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from.
I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism.
As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am.
Sums it up pretty nice, actually. We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home? Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas. Thanks for finally joining our discussion. The real question is, if you're sitting on the CSM with a Jew, a homosexual, a gypsy, a black person, an asian, etc., are you able to (...) work with them as human beings on the same level with a sense of mutual respect and dignity? Sure.
Remember, it wasn't me who started this talk on the personalities in the first place. So why would I care? My campaign for CSM 8 |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:26:00 -
[245] - Quote
Roderick Grey wrote:Axis Raikkonen wrote: Thanks for finally joining our discussion.
The real question is, if you're sitting on the CSM with a Jew, a homosexual, a gypsy, a black person, an asian, etc., are you able to set your prejudices and your Neo-Na-¡zi beliefs aside and work with them as human beings on the same level with a sense of mutual respect and dignity?
Of course he wont, he'll start foaming at the mouth and attacking them. So are you suggesting people should vote for this guy if it looks like Trebor will get elected? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:27:00 -
[246] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote: Thanks for finally joining our discussion.
The real question is, if you're sitting on the CSM with a Jew, a homosexual, a gypsy, a black person, an asian, etc., are you able to set your prejudices and your Neo-Na-¡zi beliefs aside and work with them as human beings on the same level with a sense of mutual respect and dignity?
These loaded questions are bullshit, even if there were such people on the CSM - what the **** does it matter? It has no regard or bearing to his home country (which he has left to go to Iceland and make these discussions) Their race/creed/identity will have absolutely no bearing on the discussions he has with them - as they are no threat to his national heritage or identity.
He has said this any time he has been asked in the past, what more do you want? |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:27:00 -
[247] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Roime wrote: I'm trying to make my mind whether this natsi thing is some crazy Goon propaganda or based on actual facts, and since this thread went places- could someone link something?
I fully support Fon's platform as what comes to this spaceship game, but would like to reserve judgement about this neonatsi thing.
I was going to try to post proof, but then Fon went and did it himself. Also his PVP videos are full of it. Not as bad as what I was expecting but definitely not great that's for sure.
The dude prefixes his pvp-manifesto with "14/88", which stands for the fourteen words of white supremacists (""We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.") and 88, the alphabetical coding of neonazis for "Heil Hitler", the entire soundtrack is neonazi rocksongs and he closes with the quote "For those still daring to remember their roots and live accordingly".
This isn't "as bad as you expected"? What in god's name did you expect? |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:27:00 -
[248] - Quote
Thorien Greenwood wrote:For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are 
I am faced with a well thought-out argument, I better insult him. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3482
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:28:00 -
[249] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: Racist nonsense snipped
More Racist nonsense snipped
So, confronted with a bunch of people telling you they have a problem with your racism, you thought it would be a good idea to double down on the racism? You are just making it even more clear that you have no place on the CSM, representing the players. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:28:00 -
[250] - Quote
Thorien Greenwood wrote:Womyn Power wrote:Axis Raikkonen wrote:Womyn Power wrote:[ I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own.
Tell me, how do you reconcile "I'm all for human rights" with "get out of my country that I'm not originally from because WHITE POWER WHITE POWER WHITE POWER"? I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from. I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism. As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am. For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are 
I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. |
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
496
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:30:00 -
[251] - Quote
yo in the 1700's doctors would make house calls to their patients and in the 1300's people would build their houses from stone and sticks and would hide swords from the english because they were only allowed to train with stones and people would burn folk alive because they would float in water and tie people in bags with a dog, a monkey, and a snake so don't pretend culture hasn't and will not continue to change and if you hate white/brown/yellow/black/polkadot people just say you hate them because whatever pseudo-racist garbage you are trying to hide from/but not really i'm not buying and your narrow-minded bigoted views are an embarrassment to the gene pool
although i think the minutes with you and riverini would be pretty entertaining tbh Follow me on twitter |

FWIFF0
Rhosquad Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:30:00 -
[252] - Quote
Oh god joshisalol posting in the russian white supremecist dude's thread ahahahahahahahahaahah ahahahahahahahahahahaaha. |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:30:00 -
[253] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? How does this fit in with Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run. Exactly? CCP can absolutely do what you say they cannot, and if, worst case scenario, he was elected, they would be expected to by the media and pretty much everyone. It's not discrimination and is protected by exactly no laws. tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court.
But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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FWIFF0
Rhosquad Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:31:00 -
[254] - Quote
WomynPower unironically hates the blacks just fyi. |

FWIFF0
Rhosquad Goonswarm Federation
14
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:31:00 -
[255] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? How does this fit in with Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run. Exactly? CCP can absolutely do what you say they cannot, and if, worst case scenario, he was elected, they would be expected to by the media and pretty much everyone. It's not discrimination and is protected by exactly no laws. tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court. But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. Hey do you run a freighter service? |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1719
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:32:00 -
[256] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist" - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

FWIFF0
Rhosquad Goonswarm Federation
14
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:32:00 -
[257] - Quote
Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: Racist nonsense snipped
More Racist nonsense snipped So, confronted with a bunch of people telling you they have a problem with your racism, you thought it would be a good idea to double down on the racism? You are just making it even more clear that you have no place on the CSM, representing the players. APERTURE HARMONICS DUDE TWO STEP LAYING IT DOWN WITH HIS PUBBIE DRAWL SPEAK LMAO |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
|
Posted - 2013.03.28 18:32:00 -
[258] - Quote
Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: Racist nonsense snipped
More Racist nonsense snipped So, confronted with a bunch of people telling you they have a problem with your racism, you thought it would be a good idea to double down on the racism? You are just making it even more clear that you have no place on the CSM, representing the players.
Thanks for displaying a level of arrogance expected of an unsuccessful CSM candidate. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

FWIFF0
Rhosquad Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:32:00 -
[259] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist" SHUT THE **** UP and stop being trolled. |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
170
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:33:00 -
[260] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? What is this discrimination you're talking about? You read my refutation of that point of yours (Here is your reply to my post):
Frying Doom wrote:To be honest I have no idea if they have any laws covering voluntary workers in Iceland. Here they have to be covered with workers comp insurance, public liability insurance ect. ect. and given the cost it is almost better to just pay people. So at this point you're at least aware that no discrimination would be happening if Fon was rejected from the CSM election due to the qualities necessary for CSM (Namely, being able to communicate with CCP and the wider community as well as representing community interests) and his inability in meeting those minimum qualities.
I can guess what Fon's and Womyn's problems are, but at this point, why the heck are you still defending the neonazi, when you're defending him and nothing else? No rights would be violated according to EU law or human rights, and it was his use of free speech (A thing he wouldn't have in his utopia - a funny thought) that brought his views into the arena. Someone stated before that no digging was required, and true enough: He posted his views on the EVE-O forums and felt they were applicable in discusssions about EVE. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3861
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:33:00 -
[261] - Quote
My mother is 85 years old. Went through WW II in and around Berlin. Was in the H. Youth.
She knows all about EVE and the CSM and all that.
I informed her of this situation and she has one word of advice for folks like Fon.
"Be careful what you ask for."
(BTW, if my picture is shirtless, blame CCP's sloppy coding for the new Quafe Yellow shirts. Bug Report filed.) There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:33:00 -
[262] - Quote
FWIFF0 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? How does this fit in with Frying Doom wrote:Either way around it is illegal to discriminate against someone for their political views and frankly even though this may let nut jobs run for things like this it also means that companies like CCP cannot just chose to exclude for instance members of political parties such as labour and conservative while allowing members of Official Monster Raving Loony Party to run. Exactly? CCP can absolutely do what you say they cannot, and if, worst case scenario, he was elected, they would be expected to by the media and pretty much everyone. It's not discrimination and is protected by exactly no laws. tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court. But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. Hey do you run a freighter service? Yeah I do but I use my Goonswarm Federation alt for that, so just blow up any ship you see in that alliance, you will get me eventually We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1719
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:34:00 -
[263] - Quote
FWIFF0 wrote:Oh god joshisalol posting in the russian white supremecist dude's thread ahahahahahahahahaahah ahahahahahahahahahahaaha. Jesus Fon, you know you're a shitlord when you make Mandozerthegreat post on Eve-O to call you out. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
13
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:34:00 -
[264] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:Womyn Power wrote:Axis Raikkonen wrote:Womyn Power wrote:[ I consider myself a classical national socialist and I'm all for human rights as long as they don't trample upon my own.
Tell me, how do you reconcile "I'm all for human rights" with "get out of my country that I'm not originally from because WHITE POWER WHITE POWER WHITE POWER"? I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from. I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism. As for your argument of 'get out of my country that I'm not originally from'; how exactly do you know I'm not from a country that has housed my ancestors for literally thousands of years? In Fons case, he's from Russia, he is of the Rus is he not? I think literally 1000 years of heritage and tradition of his people is worth saving and standing up for. Though I do respect your opinion if you think it should be thrown to the wind - however, I will stand against that until my dying day. White people have created something to be proud of, and proud of it I am. For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are  I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks. All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind.
Enough words have been said about neo-***** and white supremacists at this point in history that it is hardly worth my time to add more. The only proper response is disgust. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1719
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court. Why? These courts have defended the organisations in the past who have removed people from their employ for their political beliefs. What makes you think Eve Online: a bad game, has some special protection in law?
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:36:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My mother is 85 years old. Went through WW II in and around Berlin. Was in the H. Youth.
She knows all about EVE and the CSM and all that.
I informed her of this situation and she has one word of advice for folks like Fon.
"Be careful what you ask for."
(BTW, if my picture is shirtless, blame CCP's sloppy coding for the new Quafe Yellow shirts. Bug Report filed.)
My Nanna said... GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:36:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist"
Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture.
Show me one example plz.
(the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3) |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
742
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:37:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: Racist nonsense snipped
More Racist nonsense snipped So, confronted with a bunch of people telling you they have a problem with your racism, you thought it would be a good idea to double down on the racism? You are just making it even more clear that you have no place on the CSM, representing the players. Thanks for displaying a level of arrogance expected of an unsuccessful CSM candidate.
Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. Mynnna for CSM 8 |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
498
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:39:00 -
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@two_step_eve @HVACRepairman Bah, you should repost your white knighting post in that thread
im sure fon revedhort is appreciating the few people white knighting for him, because if you were black knighting him he'd want you dead
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Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:41:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok the treaty states he cannot be discriminated against. The EU court has said if it is a political body he can be but if it is a belief he cannot.
So lets leave it at this, everyone is entitled to their human rights, one of which is political association, whether the scumbag deserves it or not.
Does that sound fair? What is this discrimination you're talking about? You read my refutation of that point of yours (Here is your reply to my post): Frying Doom wrote:To be honest I have no idea if they have any laws covering voluntary workers in Iceland. Here they have to be covered with workers comp insurance, public liability insurance ect. ect. and given the cost it is almost better to just pay people. So at this point you're at least aware that no discrimination would be happening if Fon was rejected from the CSM election due to the qualities necessary for CSM (Namely, being able to communicate with CCP and the wider community as well as representing community interests) and his inability in meeting those minimum qualities. I can guess what Fon's and Womyn's problems are, but at this point, why the heck are you still defending the neonazi, when you're defending him and nothing else? No rights would be violated according to EU law or human rights, and it was his use of free speech (A thing he wouldn't have in his utopia - a funny thought) that brought his views into the arena. Someone stated before that no digging was required, and true enough: He posted his views on the EVE-O forums and felt they were applicable in discusssions about EVE. I have no problem with people not voting for him because of what he says, what got me was someone said something akin to "removing him because he was a neo-scumbag."
So the former is good the later bad. Really that is about it. Don't vote for him because of how he acts not because he is a member of some political movement. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3482
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:42:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:
Thanks for displaying a level of arrogance expected of an unsuccessful CSM candidate.
I'm confused. How am I an unsuccessful CSM candidate? I got elected both times I ran, and got the 3rd highest vote total ever last time around. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
13
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:44:00 -
[272] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist" Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture. Show me one example plz. (the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3)
Irish immigration to the United States.
Chinese Immigration to the West.
I'd be willing to be controversial and argue that Mexican immigration to the US has benefited us at their detriment but I don't feel like opening that can of worms. |

Space Wookie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:45:00 -
[273] - Quote
Thorien Greenwood wrote: All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind.
Enough words have been said about neo-***** and white supremacists at this point in history that it is hardly worth my time to add more. The only proper response is disgust.
If it wasn't for the national socialists, jews wouldn't have a country. :colbert: |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:46:00 -
[274] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist" Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture. Show me one example plz. (the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3) Australia from Vietnamese, Chinese, Greeks, Italians, ect.. people We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:47:00 -
[275] - Quote
Two step wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:
Thanks for displaying a level of arrogance expected of an unsuccessful CSM candidate.
I'm confused. How am I an unsuccessful CSM candidate? I got elected both times I ran, and got the 3rd highest vote total ever last time around.
How the relevant have fallen GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1719
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:47:00 -
[276] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture.
Show me one example plz.
(the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3)
And here is why.
Basically every argument with a racist boils down to them asking ever more loaded questions whilst screaming "YOU CANT ANSWER IT AS WRITTEN THEREFORE I AM RIGHT!" until everyone else leaves the discussion and leaves the racists playing with themselves.
e: Also, the question is so loaded I'm inclined to believe Mandozer was right. This really isn't a topic to troll about. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
171
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:48:00 -
[277] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I have no problem with people not voting for him because of what he says, what got me was someone said something akin to "removing him because he was a neo-scumbag."
So the former is good the later bad. Really that is about it. Don't vote for him because of how he acts not because he is a member of some political movement. You can all me oldfashioned and traditionalist, but what views people decide to drag into discussions tend to influence my opinion of them. I'm going to ask a pretty simple question here: "Are you currently of the opinion that removing Fon from the ballot is a discrimination on grounds of his political memberships, and a human rights violation?"
If you say no, then we're finally in agreement, if yes then I would like you to back it up. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:49:00 -
[278] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Womyn Power wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist" Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture. Show me one example plz. (the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3) Australia from Vietnamese, Chinese, Greeks, Italians, ect.. people
Nope. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:50:00 -
[279] - Quote
in before the lock
this thread as derailed
* popcorn *
please continue
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1251
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:50:00 -
[280] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court.
But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough.
That'd be interesting.
What with Iceland not being part of the EU yet. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:51:00 -
[281] - Quote
Space Wookie wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote: All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind.
Enough words have been said about neo-***** and white supremacists at this point in history that it is hardly worth my time to add more. The only proper response is disgust.
If it wasn't for the national socialists, jews wouldn't have a country. :colbert:
If the national socialists had their way, jews would be in madagascar and this mess the allies created after WW1 in the middle east wouldn't even be an issue.
It's a clear as day example on how multiculturalism (especially in the levant of all places) can completely destroy what a society has made. |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
171
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:53:00 -
[282] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Frying Doom wrote:tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court.
But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. That'd be interesting. What with Iceland not being part of the EU yet. Well, to be precise, it would not be an EU court, but the ECHR court, which is European, but not EU. Problem of course being that EU can be both the timezone/general area/continent, and the political and economic union, or one of the several institutions with loose boundaries within or around the European continent. |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:54:00 -
[283] - Quote
i liked american history x because it was a tragic story of a guy who fell into the wrong crowd and made a bunch of bad decisions, realized the error in his ways and came back to reality to only experience more tragedy while you enjoyed the same movie because you saw him as a guy on the top of the world who lost his way because he couldn't do a little time in the slammer
that movie owned hard, imprison racism Follow me on twitter |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:55:00 -
[284] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Frying Doom wrote:tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court.
But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. That'd be interesting. What with Iceland not being part of the EU yet. The servers are located within England, these forums are located within England, the third part processing is located in England, subsequently it can be argued that they operate within the EU, even though the summits are held outside of the EU. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
378
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:56:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:The dude prefixes his pvp-manifesto with "14/88", which stands for the fourteen words of white supremacists (""We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.") and 88, the alphabetical coding of neonazis for "Heil Hitler", the entire soundtrack is neonazi rocksongs and he closes with the quote "For those still daring to remember their roots and live accordingly".
This isn't "as bad as you expected"? What in god's name did you expect? You missed the celtic cross right at the begining too. |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:57:00 -
[286] - Quote
Roderick Grey wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Womyn Power wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I did you the good service of presenting my argument in a logical and easy to understand format. You respond with personal attacks.
All I ask is you refute the argument without sticking to the doctrine of 'we are all equal under the rainbows so whats mine is yours' that is so prevalent among your kind. Your argument was rose-tinted la-de-da reasoning to support a racist viewpoint. I mean, you can use the power of the internet in your own time to realise why what you advocate is deeply flawed, but no, it really is useless to argue with your ilk, because nothing that can be said on the issue will ever matter to your core belief: "I am racist" Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture. Show me one example plz. (the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3) Australia from Vietnamese, Chinese, Greeks, Italians, ect.. people Nope. Come again? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:59:00 -
[287] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Come again?
You made a statement and provided no evidence, so I did the same.
The ball's in your court. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1774
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:02:00 -
[288] - Quote
Thorien Greenwood wrote:For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are 
Ironic 'comedy' racism typically serves as a magnet and a cloak for unironic genuine racism, particularly since racists tend not to be particularly intelligent as as such have trouble identifying such concepts as irony.
It's no surprise that 4chan or an Eve corp derived therefrom is utterly infested with very serious white supremacists and anti-semites. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:02:00 -
[289] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Frying Doom wrote:tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court.
But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. That'd be interesting. What with Iceland not being part of the EU yet. The servers are located within England, these forums are located within England, the third part processing is located in England, subsequently it can be argued that they operate within the EU, even though the summits are held outside of the EU. Also I stand corrected on the court see above. That's where it gets tricky, because the servers being in the EU has nothing to do with how CCP, a company based in Iceland, manages its internet spaceships council, which is not a legally recognized entity and really is just an extension of an Icelandic business.
It's kind of fuzzy in some respects, but definitely falls on the side of "EU can't touch this". |

Frying Doom
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:04:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Come again?
You made a statement and provided no evidence, so I did the same. The ball's in your court. Australia Western Australian coast, settled by Italians after and before WWII did not fully assimilate to Australian ways and altered the country Chinese 1800-1900s Kalgoorlie and several other gold fields formed a sub culture and altered Australia for the better. Vietnamese 1980s+ same as above Greek 1900s interned during WWII altered large parts of south Australia a large number altered the Australian culture around them
Happy or do you need more? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:04:00 -
[291] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are  Ironic 'comedy' racism typically serves as a magnet and a cloak for unironic genuine racism, particularly since racists tend not to be particularly intelligent as as such have trouble identifying such concepts as irony. It's no surprise that 4chan or an Eve corp derived therefrom is utterly infested with very serious white supremacists and anti-semites.
Are you judging an entire community of people based upon other communities you assume they're affiliated with? GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:05:00 -
[292] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Come again?
You made a statement and provided no evidence, so I did the same. The ball's in your court. Australia Western Australian coast, settled by Italians after and before WWII did not fully assimilate to Australian ways and altered the country Chinese 1800-1900s Kalgoorlie and several other gold fields formed a sub culture and altered Australia for the better. Vietnamese 1980s+ same as above Greek 1900s interned during WWII altered large parts of south Australia a large number altered the Australian culture around them Happy or do you need more?
You'd probably need to state how they actually made it "better" GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Frying Doom
2025
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:06:00 -
[293] - Quote
Axis Raikkonen wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Frying Doom wrote:tbh I think if they did it would end up in an EU court.
But whatever I feel I have pushed hard enough to defend someone whos beliefs I cannot stand long enough. That'd be interesting. What with Iceland not being part of the EU yet. The servers are located within England, these forums are located within England, the third part processing is located in England, subsequently it can be argued that they operate within the EU, even though the summits are held outside of the EU. Also I stand corrected on the court see above. That's where it gets tricky, because the servers being in the EU has nothing to do with how CCP, a company based in Iceland, manages its internet spaceships council, which is not a legally recognized entity and really is just an extension of an Icelandic business. It's kind of fuzzy in some respects, but definitely falls on the side of "EU can't touch this". I think being that the service of their product and the receiving of monies from those transactions is within the EU that a good case can be made. Otherwise every oil business in the world would be set up in Iceland. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2025
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:09:00 -
[294] - Quote
Roderick Grey wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Come again?
You made a statement and provided no evidence, so I did the same. The ball's in your court. Australia Western Australian coast, settled by Italians after and before WWII did not fully assimilate to Australian ways and altered the country Chinese 1800-1900s Kalgoorlie and several other gold fields formed a sub culture and altered Australia for the better. Vietnamese 1980s+ same as above Greek 1900s interned during WWII altered large parts of south Australia a large number altered the Australian culture around them Happy or do you need more? You'd probably need to state how they actually made it "better" They altered the culture to be more understanding as well as increasing our culinary tastes added to the workforce at much needed times and colonized massive areas of previously bush land. Added to our art, finances, technology, frankly everything.
If Australia was just the pohms and the aboriginals we would be screwed. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:11:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: They altered the culture to be more understanding as well as increasing our culinary tastes added to the workforce at much needed times and colonized massive areas of previously bush land. Added to our art, finances, technology, frankly everything.
If Australia was just the pohms and the aboriginals we would be screwed.
I've lead you to the water can you please just take a sniff? GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Frying Doom
2025
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:15:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Frying Doom wrote: They altered the culture to be more understanding as well as increasing our culinary tastes added to the workforce at much needed times and colonized massive areas of previously bush land. Added to our art, finances, technology, frankly everything.
If Australia was just the pohms and the aboriginals we would be screwed.
I've lead you to the water can you please just take a sniff? Ok now you lost me but it is 6am here lol
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1721
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ok now you lost me but it is 6am here lol
So hey, you've been up all night defending a neo-Nazi.
Good job, buddy! - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Axis Raikkonen
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
57
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:17:00 -
[298] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: I think being that the service of their product and the receiving of monies from those transactions is within the EU that a good case can be made. Otherwise every oil business in the world would be set up in Iceland.
It's more fine-grained than that.
Usually in these multinational scenarios, a business entity creates a subsidiary to operate solely within a certain country. BMW is very much a German car company, but their operations in the US are conducted by BMW of North America, LLC.
Issues pertaining to BMW of North America, LLC are subject to the laws of the United States, not the laws of Germany. Similarly, worker issues are handled under OSHA and the USDOC and not, say, the German Worker's Council.
I'm not sure how exactly CCP has set themselves up from a legal standpoint, but I would imagine it's very similar. Their operations side of the business (let's call it CCP Hosting Ltd.) would most likely be based in the UK and as a result CCP is only bound to EU law in matters that concern their hosting operations, but for administrative issues that fall under CCP Iceland (the CSM being one), Icelandic law prevails.
This assumes that there are even any laws pertaining to the CSM as it's not a recognized legal entity - just a group of random people who chat on Skype and occasionally fly to very cold places to meet up in person. |

Frying Doom
2026
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:17:00 -
[299] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok now you lost me but it is 6am here lol
So hey, you've been up all night defending a neo-N azi. Good job, buddy! Actually today is a public holiday.
And frankly I am happy to stand up for a persons human rights.
Even if I do think that person is a moron. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1722
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:23:00 -
[300] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok now you lost me but it is 6am here lol
So hey, you've been up all night defending a neo-N azi. Good job, buddy! Actually today is a public holiday. And frankly I am happy to stand up for a persons human rights. Even if I do think that person is a moron.
You keep dodging the part where we've shown (repeatedly) that CCP refusing to work with him wouldn't be against his human rights.
But ok. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:30:00 -
[301] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote: You keep dodging the part where we've shown (repeatedly) that CCP refusing to work with him wouldn't be against his human rights.
But ok.
Ummm... Human rights are whatever I say they are?? You goons ar dumb  |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1775
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:35:00 -
[302] - Quote
Roderick Grey wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are  Ironic 'comedy' racism typically serves as a magnet and a cloak for unironic genuine racism, particularly since racists tend not to be particularly intelligent as as such have trouble identifying such concepts as irony. It's no surprise that 4chan or an Eve corp derived therefrom is utterly infested with very serious white supremacists and anti-semites. Are you judging an entire community of people based upon other communities you assume they're affiliated with?
Nope, I'm suggesting an environment where people habitually express particular sentiments tends to attract other people who wish to express similar sentiments. I'm also suggesting that racists are dumb.
Neither of these seem to be particularly controversial opinions. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

None ofthe Above
466
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:47:00 -
[303] - Quote
I think CCP is probably handling this all correctly.
As much as I am offended by the white supremacist references and themes, I don't think CCP should be preemptively axing candidacies.
There are controls here however.
If someone has done something so offensive as to be bannable, petition it. A banned person cannot run for CSM or serve on the CSM. (Well this is mostly a judgement call by the community team, but they likely won't look at pulling a candidacy until a banning is approved.)
Once someone starts serving on the CSM there are additional standards of conduct as part of that position. If violated then the person should and probably will be removed. Doesn't cover past acts, but would cover anything past the beginning of the term.
This to me seems a good balance between an open democratic process with some oversight. So I think the calls to CCP to intervene now are misplaced.
If you don't like the guy, campaign against him. Or campaign for someone else and push for voter participation to increase the chances that a fringe candidate can make it onto the CSM.
If he's done something bannable, petition it.
Otherwise: /thread. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1624
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:53:00 -
[304] - Quote
For the record, and for those still confused, if you are defending a racists right to publicly air his views under the auspice of "Protection of his freedom of speech" you are literally defending the actual act of racism.
Racists will not understand why this is undesirable. |

Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:55:00 -
[305] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. And if players decide that they want this candidate in CSM and actually elect him, then GSF propaganda machine and mittani.com will assplode with shitstorm trying to remove this member at any cost, because this is how democracy works. Am I right? 
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None ofthe Above
467
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:58:00 -
[306] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, and for those still confused, if you are defending a racists right to publicly air his views under the auspice of "Protection of his freedom of speech" you are literally defending the actual act of racism.
Racists will not understand why this is undesirable.
Sez the guy from "True Slave Foundations". 
Anyway, if he's spewing racist hate speech that offends you that deeply -- PETITION HIM! EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1628
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:58:00 -
[307] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:mynnna wrote:Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. And if players decide that they want this candidate in CSM and actually elect him, then GSF propaganda machine and mittani.com will assplode with shitstorm trying to remove this member at any cost, because this is how democracy works. Am I right? 
Actually, yes, it is.
The court of public opinion is a powerful thing. |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
173
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:59:00 -
[308] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture.
Show me one example plz.
(the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3) Hey, umm, I'm sorry but you seem by pure accident to have slipped your conclusion into the premise of your question. I know that it makes you able to either force anyone answering your question to agree with you, or denounce their answer as avoiding your question, but someone might come along and spot it as a fallacy and make a fuss. I know it's an honest-to-god mistake and I am certain you'll correct it ASAP. So that's why I'm helping you out here, as one rational debater to the other. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1628
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:59:00 -
[309] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, and for those still confused, if you are defending a racists right to publicly air his views under the auspice of "Protection of his freedom of speech" you are literally defending the actual act of racism.
Racists will not understand why this is undesirable. Sez the guy from "True Slave Foundations".  Anyway, if he's spewing racist hate speech that offends you that deeply -- PETITION HIM!
Sansha's Nation roleplaying corp. Happy to help you there, too.
And I did. As well as the confederation of xxPizzaxx guy who was backing him up with other racist shitdoggerel. |

None ofthe Above
467
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:00:00 -
[310] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:mynnna wrote:Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. And if players decide that they want this candidate in CSM and actually elect him, then GSF propaganda machine and mittani.com will assplode with shitstorm trying to remove this member at any cost, because this is how democracy works. Am I right? 
The goons won't be alone on this one. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |
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Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:06:00 -
[311] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:The goons won't be alone on this one. You actually right. Who cares about those voters, lets just remove candidate second time in a row.
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
125

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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:08:00 -
[312] - Quote
Topic locked for cleaning up. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
125

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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:14:00 -
[313] - Quote
OK.
*puts the mop down*
Phew.
That took a while.
OK, let me lay down some ground rules:
1. Discussing the CSM candidate and whether or not he holds a belief is fine. 2. Personal attacks are not allowed. No matter how abhorrent you find another person's belief on the forum, calling them names is not the right course of action. 3. Discussing politics is forbidden. -This means dredging up laws to support your voting decision is off topic and possible trolling. -This also means discussing the relative merits of political groups does not belong here. 4. Keep it civil. This goes with #2.
That being said, I pruned this thread with pretty big shears. I am sure I stepped on quite a few toes with the pruning. If you feel that I removed your post in error, please petition this. Sending me hating evemail regarding my removal of your favorite post will not help.
Do not take my choice in pruning as an endorsement of any particular view of the ideas posited in this thread. I tried to remain as neutral as possible regarding this and keep only posts and ideas relevant to the CSM candidacy. I am only human and I am sure I made mistakes, but if you feel I need a talkin' to, petition it.
Have a nice day and let's try to keep it to the topic at hand...this particular candidate's attempt to be on the CSM. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
332

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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:23:00 -
[314] - Quote
Also, no discussion of moderation please! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:24:00 -
[315] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:OK.
*puts the mop down*
Phew.
That took a while.
OK, let me lay down some ground rules:
1. Discussing the CSM candidate and whether or not he holds a belief is fine. 2. Personal attacks are not allowed. No matter how abhorrent you find another person's belief on the forum, calling them names is not the right course of action. 3. Discussing politics is forbidden. -This means dredging up laws to support your voting decision is off topic and possible trolling. -This also means discussing the relative merits of political groups does not belong here. 4. Keep it civil. This goes with #2.
That being said, I pruned this thread with pretty big shears. I am sure I stepped on quite a few toes with the pruning. If you feel that I removed your post in error, please petition this. Sending me hating evemail regarding my removal of your favorite post will not help.
Do not take my choice in pruning as an endorsement of any particular view of the ideas posited in this thread. I tried to remain as neutral as possible regarding this and keep only posts and ideas relevant to the CSM candidacy. I am only human and I am sure I made mistakes, but if you feel I need a talkin' to, petition it.
Have a nice day and let's try to keep it to the topic at hand...this particular candidate's attempt to be on the CSM.
To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
126

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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:28:00 -
[316] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote: To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case, are relevant to this threat. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
Generally, yes. Which is why I tried to leave comments that touched on that subject mostly alone, unlesss they were in reply(quoted) other non acceptable comments.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1033
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:32:00 -
[317] - Quote
Quoting my opening post here:
Quote:Finally, scandalmongering and backstage steps of blob apologists were thoroughly in line with their game views. They were smart enough to see a threat coming to their interests. If anything, it would have been really surprising to see plush villains missing an opportunity to clamour against real-life "evil", which "surely" saves one a hassle of having a discussion on the matter itself. These people can only praise someone utterly toothless who won't cause much trouble - a yesterday's newbie with little to none success beyond mere frigs will fit perfectly, the more so if his most significant "threat" posed to blobs is defined as "nerf gang-links".
So take any attempts of subpar discussion as granted 
I personally had expected just that, that's why I tried my best at addressing the broad number of issues right from the start, before trolling would prevail and make a constructive talk simply impossible. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
871
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:33:00 -
[318] - Quote
One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |

Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3482
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:36:00 -
[319] - Quote
You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally:
Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:37:00 -
[320] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening:
This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
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Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:40:00 -
[321] - Quote
Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally: Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing. Care to explain what's wrong with this quote? If you think that's outrageous statement, I am awaiting the deed for your house transferred in my name, we can discuss details in evemail =) |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:40:00 -
[322] - Quote
"the video fon made full of racist and neonazi references was a joke that he made when his history of putting racist and neonazi references and statements in even the most random of places like eve balance discussions came to light. a joke, yes, that is the ticket" |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4001
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:41:00 -
[323] - Quote
Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows!
4/10 for bad taste Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Dramani Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:41:00 -
[324] - Quote
Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows!
Seeing as CCP just keeps on sweeping crap under the rug and allow this guy to run, I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue. |

Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
138
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:42:00 -
[325] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Topic locked for cleaning up.
CCP understands the concerns of many in this thread and are currently looking into this matter. However, this htread has gone off the rails and as such I will be cleaning this thread of its most aggressive posts.
This may take a while, so please be patient.
I do hope you listen to the interview that kicked all of this conversation off in this thread in the first place when you are looking into the matter. www.crossingzebras.com |

Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3482
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
[326] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening: This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
Oh, I guess that is why he says this, in his thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=895337#post895337) (at least until CCP edits it out)
Fon Revedhort wrote: this movie has been brewed in accordance with strict Aryan purity laws,
CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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None ofthe Above
468
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
[327] - Quote
Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally: Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing.
Cleaning up vile self-incriminating statements from candidates, and letting the campaign stand would be an exception to my earlier statement that CCP is handling things properly.
I think that would be a real problem. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4001
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
[328] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote: I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue.
Are you saying that there are certain "racial truths" you wish them to be educated of?
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
871
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:46:00 -
[329] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! 4/10 for bad taste
Mynnna is dead against this as it would ultimately end up a troll of him when he had to work with him. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:49:00 -
[330] - Quote
And are you worried about it? Would you like to talk about it? Say if I roleplay ortodox jew, does it make me ortodox jew? By the way i claim right to your land and house, where's my deed ? |
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Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:50:00 -
[331] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening: This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
Ah the old "it was a troll!!lolol" when backed up against a wall.
[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4002
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:50:00 -
[332] - Quote
Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally: Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing.
Thanks, dude. And I 100% agree. Either Fod's statements are unacceptable conduct for a would-be CSM member, in which case he should simply be disqualified for the race, or its a matter of free speech and social accountability, and he should be left uncensored as long as he is not targeting individual players for harassment or anything specifically violating forum rules.
By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1428
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:52:00 -
[333] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:he should simply be disqualified for the race Just saying... I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |

Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Dramani Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:52:00 -
[334] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote: I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue. Are you saying that there are certain "racial truths" you wish them to be educated of?
I'm saying that if CCP fails to see anything wrong with this candidate and his campaign, maybe he should get into the final 14. Maybe giving this guy a pulpit would raise some media attention which in turn would teach CCP a lesson for the next time someone with his views attempts to run. As you well know, when it comes to PR, CCP is a slow learner. |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:53:00 -
[335] - Quote
Richard Bong wrote: Ah the old "it was a troll!!lolol" when backed up against a wall.
Please get some reading comprehension skills. If you stop eating mcdonalds and switch to something healthy it may help. I clearly said that video was a response to the trolling campaign.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1726
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:54:00 -
[336] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Quoting my opening post here: Quote:Finally, scandalmongering and backstage steps of blob apologists were thoroughly in line with their game views. They were smart enough to see a threat coming to their interests. If anything, it would have been really surprising to see plush villains missing an opportunity to clamour against real-life "evil", which "surely" saves one a hassle of having a discussion on the matter itself. These people can only praise someone utterly toothless who won't cause much trouble - a yesterday's newbie with little to none success beyond mere frigs will fit perfectly, the more so if his most significant "threat" posed to blobs is defined as "nerf gang-links". So take any attempts of subpar discussion as granted  I personally had expected just that, that's why I tried my best at addressing the broad number of issues right from the start, before trolling would prevail and make a constructive talk simply impossible.
This just in: anyone against being a neo-**** is just scaremongering to try to defend their in-game opinions.
That's all it is folks, we can carry on with our lives. We're just unfairly biased against "real life evil." - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:54:00 -
[337] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally:
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing. Thanks, dude. And I 100% agree. Either Fod's statements are unacceptable conduct for a would-be CSM member, in which case he should simply be disqualified for the race, or its a matter of free speech and social accountability, and he should be left uncensored as long as he is not targeting individual players for harassment or anything specifically violating forum rules. By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache.
But they didn't? They left all the relevant comments quoted in other comments calling him out. I'd say they did a fairly good job.
(Totally not discussing moderation here, I'm humbly kissing ass)
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Father Snuggles wrote: To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case, are relevant to this threat. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
Generally, yes. Which is why I tried to leave comments that touched on that subject mostly alone, unlesss they were in reply(quoted) other non acceptable comments. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4003
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:58:00 -
[338] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Father Snuggles wrote: To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case, are relevant to this threat. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
Generally, yes. Which is why I tried to leave comments that touched on that subject mostly alone, unlesss they were in reply(quoted) other non acceptable comments.
Fair enough. I stand corrected. (And admit that I haven't read through every single post in the thread.) Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:01:00 -
[339] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening: This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
Well shucks, that must make it that much more shameful for him then when people like me calling him "names" prevents him from being elected to the CSM, despite being "1000x better than me".
I have firmly been put in my place. |

Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:03:00 -
[340] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache. Majority of russian voters know Fon's background and actually don't care (or don't vote if they care about RL stuff and not about spaceships). Moreover, they don't even read this topic and never will for obvious reasons (poor english and lack of content in goon propaganda). Same goes for average Joe-the-Voter. He will newer go through TL;DR program and will choose any other candidate with generic program (asteroids for miners, nullsec for alliances, holes for wormholers etc.)
And once again, raging CSM members completely ignoring goonswarm racist ingame behaviour. Hypocrisy at maximum.
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
422
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:03:00 -
[341] - Quote
In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business. Kick Heim... MATE |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:03:00 -
[342] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote: Well shucks, that must make it that much more shameful for him then when people like me calling him "names" prevents him from being elected to the CSM, despite being "1000x better than me".
I have firmly been put in my place.
Indeed. You've shown not only lack of in-game but also lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
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Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:05:00 -
[343] - Quote
It's all moot anyway. There are far too many outlets with slow news cycles who'd love to fill space with a story about EVE Online electing a bona fide fascist as a community liaison. And, if this thread is any indication, there are plenty of players who'd like to spread the word (one way or the other). I doubt CCP has either the inclination or the time to mount an eloquent defence of free speech rights in an international context, nor would they want to be associated with defending someone was colourful as Fon Revedhort.
I can already see the headlines... "Fascism in the Stars" "New Eden's New Neo-**** CSM" "Arbeit Macht Frei Speech"
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3878
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:07:00 -
[344] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business.
Any more it almost seems as if some people want to deliberately push things as far as humanly possible.
Then throw fits that their 'rights' have been violated.
edit: you throw enough literal 'crap' on the coals and it will eventually catch fire. People bring this nonsense upon themselves. As if Fon 'had no idea' there would be a majority of players with issues with him. Riiiiiiiight. Mm-hmmm. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1033
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:08:00 -
[345] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote: Same goes for average Joe-the-Voter. He will newer go through TL;DR program and will choose any other candidate with generic program (asteroids for miners, nullsec for alliances, holes for wormholers etc.)
Thanks for the tip, editing the heading to reflect that.
And yes, I lol'ed. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:10:00 -
[346] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Richard Bong wrote: Ah the old "it was a troll!!lolol" when backed up against a wall.
Please get some reading comprehension skills. If you stop eating mcdonalds and switch to something healthy it may help. I clearly said that video was a response to the trolling campaign.
You could almost say he "trolled" them back. [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |

Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:11:00 -
[347] - Quote
Rythm wrote: You've shown (...) lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
- The guy using 'lol' as punctuation while calling people 'college dropouts'.
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Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:12:00 -
[348] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business. They may as well abolish CSM completely, because there is no point in election, if you can remove unpopular winners at your pleasure. With 2 removed members in a row CSM will lose all remaining credibility. Personally I'd rather have more confident developers like Fozzie, than circus called CSM, with drama on every election.
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Vampy bat
Prussia Group Meracom
15
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:18:00 -
[349] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! 4/10 for bad taste Mynnna is dead against this as it would ultimately end up a troll of him when he had to work with him.
That's a pitty. Understandable, but a pitty nonetheless.
To quote Jean Rostand , "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
Forget the god part. But this takes me back to about one year ago at fanfest. The Mittani, because drunkingly suggested someone should be assisted in his suicide, is painted as a murderer. Move forwards to the present and someone suggests killing millions for the defence of a culture of binging on vodka, and he's a conquerer. Never mind being cuddled and protected by CCP, and even enjoying the CCP's invisible hand on his CSM campaign, by eliminating the most outrageous bits from his posts so anyone reading it now fails to see anything wrong with Fon's platform.
As a game, Eve may be a sanbox. But the CSM election has clearly been turned into a theme park. |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:20:00 -
[350] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Rythm wrote: You've shown (...) lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
- The guy using 'lol' as punctuation while calling people 'college dropouts'.
Are you hurt by the "college dropout" namecalling? Would you like to talk about it?
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:27:00 -
[351] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Rythm wrote: You've shown (...) lack of cognitive skills in one short sentence. Well done!
- The guy using 'lol' as punctuation while calling people 'college dropouts'. Are you hurt by the "college dropout" namecalling? Would you like to talk about it? Also you've conviniently omitted 100+ page thread about goonswarm racist drivel. care to explain?
Your inability to make even the most basic connection between quotes nested within eachother is beyond mind-blowing.
Also, goons don't go to college, like, duh, lol, kekeke^^ (-.-)" etc.
(you see, I'm trying to connect wih you here) |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
424
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:30:00 -
[352] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?
I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business. They may as well abolish CSM completely, because there is no point in election, if you can remove unpopular winners at your pleasure. With 2 removed members in a row CSM will lose all remaining credibility. Personally I'd rather have more confident developers like Fozzie, than circus called "CSM" with drama on every election.
Abolishing the CSM would be unfortunate, and in my opinion, a bad move.
The CSM is a very unique and commendable thing to have in place, other game developers would kill to have such a close relationship with their playerbase, and up till now it's a very positive thing for EVE and CCP to have. After 10 years of existence, with EVE being how it is, with such a huge emphasis on community and working together for "emergent content"... it would be naive not to have some sort of community representation.
But with the employ of such community facing developers such as Fozzie, Falcon, Dolan, and Rise, the community interaction from developers is as high as it's ever been. This almost serves to trivialise the role of the CSM (not intentionally of course), but I think CCP really needs to take a hard look at what they want the CSM to be... lest we have more D3's who serve just to prove a point and cause a headache for genuine progress.
Kick Heim... MATE |

Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:32:00 -
[353] - Quote
Father Snuggles wrote:Also, goons don't go to college, like, duh, lol, kekeke^^ (-.-)" etc. (you see, I'm trying to connect wih you here) Don't be shy. We well aware about common goon dictionary with pubbies, jewballs and N-,F- words.
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
424
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:34:00 -
[354] - Quote
Vampy bat wrote:
... As a game, Eve may be a sanbox. But the CSM election has clearly been turned into a theme park.
QFT
Kick Heim... MATE |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
126

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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:49:00 -
[355] - Quote
OK, just deleted another sub thread.
Please keep this on-topic.....saying someone else is bad or rather not good does not make you better, and linking to threads over 3 years old that do not involve the OP.....
No.
If you want to discuss the OP's attempt at candidacy do it here.
For a meta-discussion about whether CCP should allow the candidacy there is a thread for that: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220032&find=unread
Keep it clean there too.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1473
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:51:00 -
[356] - Quote
No I'm pretty sure I can unequivocally say that I'm better than him. |

duckmonster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:03:00 -
[357] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:OK, just deleted another sub thread.
Please keep this on-topic.....saying someone else is bad or rather not good does not make you better, and linking to threads over 3 years old that do not involve the OP.....
Not pointing out a known neo-**** is 'bad' is actually irresponsible. In 2004 the office I work in IRL had its windows smashed out by a neo-**** group, around the same time they bombed my local chinese resturant. Last year they opened fire on the local mosque, 1 block from my house.. Of course being a white south-african australian I'm not their target list. Their actual targets, asian dudes, black dudes and so on cop a far more violent reality from these people.
Allowing someone who follows these beliefs to even participate in a CSM election represents an abrogation of CCPs responsibilities to a safe environment for Eve online players who have a reasonable expectation that the terrorists they encounter are only role-players or trolls, and not the real deal. What sort of message does it send people of color, ***** players, jewish players and so on that someone who advocates an ideology that would have them murdered is permitted a shot to participate in how their game time works. And even worse , are we actually intending that POC/*****/Jewish/etc players not be able to run in case they end up in iceland with someone who's general political life goal is they be murdered? |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
834
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:06:00 -
[358] - Quote
Now now, you have to respect everyone's views, even views that would see you dying horribly along with everyone else with your skin color. Because that's what's fair. Reading the EVEO forums is like huffing gas or sniffing glue. Sure it's funny and you get high, but you pay a terrible, terrible price in the long run. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3886
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:08:00 -
[359] - Quote
duckmonster wrote:
edit: Why the hell is Q ueer censored? Seriously?
Because the filter for that is primitive. I can't even type the names of the authors Phillip K. **** or ***** (rhymes with Annie) Flagg. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:11:00 -
[360] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! Seeing as CCP just keeps on sweeping crap under the rug and allow this guy to run, I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue.
How the **** is this not deleted for overt racism exactly?
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Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
1
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:12:00 -
[361] - Quote
I'd say that as horrendous as Fon's opinions are he is in his right to have them. Having opinions is OK. Acting on them is another thing alltogether. I could very well see CCP allowing such a loon on the CSM but telling him that if he even hints at expressing such vies he'd be out like **** through my ass after 'enjoying' my Mrs cooking. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3886
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:15:00 -
[362] - Quote
Bjurn Akely wrote:I'd say that as horrendous as Fon's opinions are he is in his right to have them. Having opinions is OK. Acting on them is another thing alltogether.
Exactly. And how do we know that he has not acted ????????  There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Verlai
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:16:00 -
[363] - Quote
Well personally, I think non-Aryans are worth little more than chattel, and even then we would be better off being rid of them to ensure their cultural proclivities do not taint our amazing heritage.
What? It's just my opinion!, it can't be objectively wrong. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3886
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:19:00 -
[364] - Quote
Verlai wrote:Well personally, I think non-Aryans are worth little more than chattel, and even then we would be better off being rid of them to ensure their cultural proclivities do not taint our amazing heritage.
Chattel means slave, for those unaware.
edit: just trying to get your racism slid past the ISD's with a language barrier, huh ????? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Frying Doom
2027
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:20:00 -
[365] - Quote
I think I will just stay out of this. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1118
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:21:00 -
[366] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this.
You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3886
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:24:00 -
[367] - Quote
Obviously he can't run.
There are not enough ISD's in this world for CCP to deal with the 'cleaning' for the next entire month....and after. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Dramani Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:26:00 -
[368] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! Seeing as CCP just keeps on sweeping crap under the rug and allow this guy to run, I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue. How the **** is this not deleted for overt racism exactly?
Yea CCP, Y U NO DELETE DIS?
And while you're at it let's rename the Minnesota Vikings cause that name is y'now... overtly racist.
FYI you silly troll, Icelanders take pride on their viking heritage. |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:27:00 -
[369] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! yeah now hes on a list we're gonna get him good XD |

Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
58
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:28:00 -
[370] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Womyn Power wrote:Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! Seeing as CCP just keeps on sweeping crap under the rug and allow this guy to run, I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue. How the **** is this not deleted for overt racism exactly? Yea CCP, Y U NO DELETE DIS? And while you're at it let's rename the Minnesota Vikings cause that name is y'now... overtly racist. FYI you silly troll, Icelanders take pride on their viking heritage.
He used vikings in a derogatory meaning. Are you saying people who aren't white are incapable of being proud of their heritage?
I mean did you really just say that? |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3887
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:28:00 -
[371] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:
Yea CCP, Y U NO DELETE DIS?
And while you're at it let's rename the Minnesota Vikings cause that name is y'now... overtly racist.
FYI you silly troll, Icelanders take pride on their viking heritage.
I loved it in Twin Peaks when the deal with the Norwegians fell through and Jerry Horne says "Aw man! I thought we had those Vikings by the horns !".
It's more of an affectionate term, oddly.
edit: typing to fast with lots of tpyos. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Frying Doom
2027
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:28:00 -
[372] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! My view is that human rights are sacred and a person should not be discriminated against due to a political association.
But if you want to dislike someone as they are a racist intolerant, well go nuts.
If you can't understand that you have a problem. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Frying Doom
2027
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:29:00 -
[373] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! yeah now hes on a list we're gonna get him good XD Whatever.... We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1477
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:29:00 -
[374] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one!
Oh come on now, the Reich provided many advances in the field of surgery to the world. Trial and error is a perfectly valid method of medical discovery if you have a large number of undesirables around! Right Fon? |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1477
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:31:00 -
[375] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! My view is that human rights are sacred and a person should not be discriminated against due to a political association. But if you want to dislike someone as they are a racist intolerant, well go nuts. If you can't understand that you have a problem.
Hahaha "Human Rights are Sacred and we shouldn't hold it against people when they desire to strip those rights from others, it's intolerant!"
**** yeah dude preach it. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1477
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:32:00 -
[376] - Quote
Is this a honeypot thread? Because it's drawing horrible people out by the bakers dozen. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
425
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:36:00 -
[377] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! Oh come on now, the Reich provided many advances in the field of surgery to the world. Trial and error is a perfectly valid method of medical discovery if you have a large number of undesirables around! Right Fon?
... and you create mad scientists, turncoats and a space saucer full of child medical experiments in the new mexico desert
or so one of the more disturbing conspiracy theories I've heard goes... Kick Heim... MATE |

Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Dramani Confederacy
17
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:39:00 -
[378] - Quote
Womyn Power wrote: He used vikings in a derogatory meaning. Are you saying people who aren't white are incapable of being proud of their heritage?
I mean did you really just say that?
No. What I said is what I posted. What you said is well... what you said. And then you also said this
Womyn Power wrote:
Here's hoping ccp aren't jewish enough to put profit before muh freedoms.
I know I should be the bigger man and stop feeding you, but with over 10 inches I already am. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1482
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:40:00 -
[379] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! Oh come on now, the Reich provided many advances in the field of surgery to the world. Trial and error is a perfectly valid method of medical discovery if you have a large number of undesirables around! Right Fon? ... and you create mad scientists, turncoats and a space saucer full of child medical experiments in the new mexico desert or so one of the more disturbing conspiracy theories I've heard goes...
Yeah, you'd have a point if I was someone who was actively rooting for the glory days of when we spread some good old pox on blankets to hand out to Native Americans (You missed one), instead of viewing the atrocities committed by my own nation as exactly that... atrocities that we should be ashamed of.
But unfortunately for your idiot argument it's not like that. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
425
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:46:00 -
[380] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I think I will just stay out of this. You had your chance to stay out of it earlier today and you decided to play **** apologist. Sorry, there's no do-overs on that one! Oh come on now, the Reich provided many advances in the field of surgery to the world. Trial and error is a perfectly valid method of medical discovery if you have a large number of undesirables around! Right Fon? ... and you create mad scientists, turncoats and a space saucer full of child medical experiments in the new mexico desert or so one of the more disturbing conspiracy theories I've heard goes... Yeah, you'd have a point if I was someone who was actively rooting for the glory days of when we spread some good old pox on blankets to hand out to Native Americans (You missed one), instead of viewing the atrocities committed by my own nation as exactly that... atrocities that we should be ashamed of. But unfortunately for your idiot argument it's not like that.
Oh I have no doubt most of the governments and countries on earth have done some pretty ****** up ****.
was just speaking subjectively. Kick Heim... MATE |
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Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
85
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:51:00 -
[381] - Quote
I did my best to read the manifesto at the beginning of this thread. Unfortunately it is nowhere near the same quality of manifesto as those of James 315 - neither entertaining nor well-built.
I invite the OP to construct a short, 300 to 500 word overview of his platform or direct me to such in a polite manner.
As for him being a real-world fascist...did the xxPIZZAxx spokesperson's official endorsement of the OP as their CSM8 candidate not clue anyone into the possibility of the OP's beliefs being an elaborate troll designed solely for the amusement of the type of person who also enjoys SWATting people and telling teenage girls to kill themselves? AFK + Cloaked = Not Dangerous |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3892
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:06:00 -
[382] - Quote
Myelinated wrote:I thought this was supposed to be about eve related issues, not someone's non-eve related personal preference of preserving one's native culture?
Maybe he should have remembered the crap he posted across the years before running for CSM. As if it would not have been remembered by others. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:07:00 -
[383] - Quote
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Topic locked for cleaning up.
How many undesirable posts did you send to the ovens? |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:15:00 -
[384] - Quote
I'm sorry, I physically couldn't resist. |

Hustomte
FutureTech Industrial Inc.
95
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:17:00 -
[385] - Quote
Ganthrithor wrote:ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Topic locked for cleaning up. How many undesirable posts did you send to the ovens?
By my count 10+ pages burned  ...Signature... |

Laughable Xhosa Girl
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:19:00 -
[386] - Quote
So if this guy is elected on the CSM I'd be lucky to keep my 3/5ths of a vote, let alone not get biomassed? |

Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:45:00 -
[387] - Quote
Ganthrithor wrote:I'm sorry, I physically couldn't resist. I tried that, it was deleted because it was 'commenting on moderation'.  |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1484
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:50:00 -
[388] - Quote
Beaver Retriever wrote:Ganthrithor wrote:I'm sorry, I physically couldn't resist. I tried that, it was deleted because it was 'commenting on moderation'. 
Golly isn't the ISD program such a big hit! |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1484
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:54:00 -
[389] - Quote
Myelinated wrote:I thought this was supposed to be about eve related issues, not someone's non-eve related personal preference of preserving one's native culture?
This just in. Protecting the white woman from the ravishing negro horde now "Preserving Native Culture". |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2258

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Posted - 2013.03.29 02:22:00 -
[390] - Quote
I've removed one offensive post from this thread. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
15
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Posted - 2013.03.29 03:36:00 -
[391] - Quote
I almost hope our adorable neo-fascist wins a seat, because then we might get media backlash.
And if we get media backlash maybe avowed white nationalists won't be eligible to represent EVE's diverse playerbase.  |

xXxWirtyXDoorxXx
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
26
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Posted - 2013.03.29 04:03:00 -
[392] - Quote
As someone who tries to play eve online and PVP's I support your platform. I endorsed you on all my active accounts and you will have my votes like last year because we need someone in the CSM who isnt a nullbaby manchild bloc member who can't contain himself without his right hand man around anymore to set him straight or a highsec carebear who knows there are real problems with the game that the CSM needs to address. |

Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.29 04:56:00 -
[393] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote: This just in. Protecting the white woman from the ravishing negro horde now "Preserving Native Culture".
wtf. so i guess the right way to act in your opinion when you see a woman pursued by a gang is to hold her so that bros do not get tired? you are just lowest of the low scum i've ever seen. http://i.imgur.com/hgSr5AX.jpg fat ugly racist boneheads http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1157210 represented by the very best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMAw |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7218
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Posted - 2013.03.29 05:18:00 -
[394] - Quote
Rythm wrote:racist nonsense
pot, meet kettle ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 05:29:00 -
[395] - Quote
Andski wrote: pot, meet kettle
Just answer simple questions: Were you polluting eve with racist drivel as outlined here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1157210 or not? Why this http://i.imgur.com/hgSr5AX.jpg bonehead skinhead is wearing goonswarm t-shirt ? What is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMAw guys position in goonswarm ?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7223
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Posted - 2013.03.29 05:43:00 -
[396] - Quote
I wasn't, nope.
he's not a skinhead
making a fool of yourself on camera isn't quite the same but try harder ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 05:57:00 -
[397] - Quote
Do not dodge the question. You as in goonswarm. Now please answser.
Quote: he's not a skinhead
Looks like typical diehard bonehead. How do you know ?
Quote:making a fool of yourself on camera isn't quite the same but try harder
Oh thats how its called. Just fooling. Like those nice chaps in My Lai right? So in goonswarm this guy has total and absolute support for this behaviour yes or no ? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7224
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Posted - 2013.03.29 06:03:00 -
[398] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Do not dodge the question. You as in goonswarm. Now please answser.
This was an individual player, not Goonswarm. So no, Goonswarm does not spout racist nonsense in discussions like "blaster balancing."
Rythm wrote:Looks like typical diehard bonehead. How do you know ?
You're either a troll or someone who can't distinguish "bald" from "skinhead".
Rythm wrote:Oh thats how its called. Just fooling. Like those nice chaps in My Lai right? So in goonswarm this guy has total and absolute support for this behaviour yes or no ?
Let's trivialize the mass-murder of civilians by comparing it to a guy being dumb on camera ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 06:11:00 -
[399] - Quote
Andski wrote: This was an individual player, not Goonswarm. So no, Goonswarm does not spout racist nonsense in discussions like "blaster balancing."
Oh definitely. It was like whole fleet of inidividual members polluting local with racist drivel. Try something else please.
Quote: You're either a troll or someone who can't distinguish "bald" from "skinhead".
He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck. Now answer. Why bonehead is wearing gs t-shirt ?
Quote: Let's trivialize the mass-murder of civilians by comparing it to a guy being dumb on camera
Do not dodge the question. Do you support his actions or not? |

Powers Sa
588
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Posted - 2013.03.29 06:25:00 -
[400] - Quote
Are you seriously saying individuals with follicle issues shaving their heads are automatically skinheads, therefore racist?
Ohhhhhhh Eve-ooooo
I've personally witnessed DBRB getting warpins in that fashion. Vote Nullsec for CSM8 Mynnna Kesper North-á Kaleb Rysode Malc00nis |
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Hustomte
FutureTech Industrial Inc.
97
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Posted - 2013.03.29 06:26:00 -
[401] - Quote
Rythm wrote:-snip rant- PS. You guys have a long history of calling people *****. For instance: I am not, and have never been a member of Goonswarm and I find your argument ridiculous at best. Seriously dude? ...Signature... |

Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:18:00 -
[402] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Are you seriously saying individuals with follicle issues shaving their heads are automatically skinheads, therefore racist? Ohhhhhhh Eve-ooooo I've personally witnessed DBRB getting warpins in that fashion. Just trying to keep down to your level of arguments really.
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Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:20:00 -
[403] - Quote
Hustomte wrote:Rythm wrote:-snip rant- PS. You guys have a long history of calling people *****. For instance: I am not, and have never been a member of Goonswarm and I find your argument ridiculous at best. Seriously dude? well since they are claiming that quoting david duke or god forbid ****** automatically makes you die hard racist i am making counterargument that shaving your head turns you into skinhead. And i do believe that i have much more substance to my claim.
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FWIFF0
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:33:00 -
[404] - Quote
Whose this rythm ****** that fails harder than dyslexic kids at a spelling bee? |

Mourning Souls
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:45:00 -
[405] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Quote: You're either a troll or someone who can't distinguish "bald" from "skinhead".
He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck. Now answer. Why bonehead is wearing gs t-shirt ?
Thread is tl;dr, but isn't that just the same ignorance that racism is? If he was black you'd call him bald but because he's white he's a skinhead? |

Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:03:00 -
[406] - Quote
Mourning Souls wrote:Rythm wrote:Quote: You're either a troll or someone who can't distinguish "bald" from "skinhead".
He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck. Now answer. Why bonehead is wearing gs t-shirt ? Thread is tl;dr, but isn't that just the same ignorance that racism is? If he was black you'd call him bald but because he's white he's a skinhead? well that's exactly what goons are showing in the topic.
To previous poster. Yes i am dyslexic and cant spell for ****. Now shut the **** up.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7226
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:20:00 -
[407] - Quote
Rythm wrote:well that's exactly what goons are showing in the topic.
"spewing racist drivel left and right doesn't make you a racist" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Selene Duran
Outer Rim Jobs Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:31:00 -
[408] - Quote
Hahaha I'm glad CCP will ban people from eveo over making na-zi jokes ITT but running for space-office while spewing / endorsing a bunch of anti-immigrant, white-supremacist **** is apparently "just fine." Forum moderation at its finest. |

Selene Duran
Outer Rim Jobs Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:32:00 -
[409] - Quote
Countdown to this character being banned for criticizing moderators, no doubt. |

Rythm
True Power Team
42
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:41:00 -
[410] - Quote
Andski wrote:Rythm wrote:well that's exactly what goons are showing in the topic. "spewing racist drivel left and right doesn't make you a racist" I have asked you 3 simple question mr. "Dont Petition Blue Bots". Please answer them, instead of making stuff up.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1034
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:49:00 -
[411] - Quote
Selene Duran wrote:Countdown to this character being banned for criticizing moderators, no doubt.
e: and just to stay on topic, I think this dude should probably renounce his candidacy. Just cyan. Please, do tell me more on what I should do, as you apparently have both achieved more in PvP and done more reading/studying IRL than me.
At least your battleclinic record implies precisely that. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7227
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Posted - 2013.03.29 08:54:00 -
[412] - Quote
Rythm wrote:I have asked you 3 simple question mr. "Dont Petition Blue Bots". Please answer them, instead of making stuff up.
"your policy of not petitioning blues is comparable to supporting genocide"
anything else? ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:01:00 -
[413] - Quote
Rythm wrote: Terrible and nonsensical argument.
Oh WOW I never thought of it that way. If you point fingers at a random GSF member, somehow that makes this CSM candidate not a terrible Neo-Nazi.
[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |

Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:01:00 -
[414] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Selene Duran wrote:Countdown to this character being banned for criticizing moderators, no doubt.
e: and just to stay on topic, I think this dude should probably renounce his candidacy. Just cyan. Please, do tell me more on what I should do, as you apparently have both achieved more in PvP and done more reading/studying IRL than me. At least your battleclinic record implies precisely that.
~~killboard stats~~ [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |

duckmonster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:47:00 -
[415] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Hustomte wrote:Rythm wrote:-snip rant- PS. You guys have a long history of calling people *****. For instance: I am not, and have never been a member of Goonswarm and I find your argument ridiculous at best. Seriously dude? well since they are claiming that quoting david duke or god forbid ****** automatically makes you die hard racist i am making counterargument that shaving your head turns you into skinhead. And i do believe that i have much more substance to my claim.
Yes , but unlike shaving your head, quoting David duke, claiming to be a fascist, and spouting rancid **** about aryans/etc actually really does make you a racist.
Don't just make stuff up if your trying to debate. Its sort of embarassing to read.
We know the guys a fascist and a racist. That much isn't in controversy, since he told us so. So the question is, do we want a guy like this anywhere near the CSM, or for that matter, even in the game. |

FWIFF0
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:07:00 -
[416] - Quote
1488 Cloned to Troll |

FWIFF0
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:20:00 -
[417] - Quote
Seriously this is a pretty hilarious thread, CCP could delete all "offensive" posts but they wouldn't delete the one that matters. Thats called the ORIGINAL POST of FON REVEDHORT. |

FWIFF0
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:23:00 -
[418] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Mourning Souls wrote:Rythm wrote:Quote: You're either a troll or someone who can't distinguish "bald" from "skinhead".
He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck. Now answer. Why bonehead is wearing gs t-shirt ? Thread is tl;dr, but isn't that just the same ignorance that racism is? If he was black you'd call him bald but because he's white he's a skinhead? well that's exactly what goons are showing in the topic. To previous poster. Yes i am dyslexic and cant spell for ****. Now shut the **** up. question: what does dyslexia have to do with your hilarious beliefs? |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
564
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:36:00 -
[419] - Quote
Racist scum. |

FWIFF0
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:41:00 -
[420] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Selene Duran wrote:Countdown to this character being banned for criticizing moderators, no doubt.
e: and just to stay on topic, I think this dude should probably renounce his candidacy. Just cyan. Please, do tell me more on what I should do, as you apparently have both achieved more in PvP and done more reading/studying IRL than me. At least your battleclinic record implies precisely that.
How do you feel about black people, gay people, and transgender people? All this compared to white people. |
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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
174
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:06:00 -
[421] - Quote
Rythm wrote: He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck.
So by your definition, I'm a racist skinhead for having my head shaved? WTF? "Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka |

Ustrello
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:32:00 -
[422] - Quote
Ancy Denaries wrote:Rythm wrote: He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck.
So by your definition, I'm a racist skinhead for having my head shaved? WTF?
Definitely not because of his posting. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1788
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:44:00 -
[423] - Quote
Ancy Denaries wrote:Rythm wrote: He is shaved. He looks like a skinhead. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its definitely a duck.
So by your definition, I'm a racist skinhead for having my head shaved? WTF?
Baldies are all Nazis, true story.
Undergoing chemotherapy? Premature hair loss? Clearly just a cheap cover story for wanting to round up and murder jews. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1788
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:49:00 -
[424] - Quote
Grats on the derail, by the way, but can we get back to the implications of CCP green-lighting a self-professed fascist and KKK-supporter as a candidate for CSM? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:57:00 -
[425] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:By sterilizing the forums of anything remotely exposing his blatant racism while allowing him to continue in the race, you're essentially setting yourself up for an increased possibility of him being elected. Then you will have just kicked the PR crisis down the road into a realm with MUCH higher stakes for the company, and caused yourself even further headache. Majority of russian voters know Fon's background and actually don't care (or don't vote if they care about RL stuff and not about spaceships). Moreover, they don't even read this topic and never will for obvious reasons (poor english and lack of content in goon propaganda). Same goes for average Joe-the-Voter. He will never go through TL;DR program and will choose any other candidate with generic program (asteroids for miners, nullsec for alliances, holes for wormholers etc.) And once again, raging CSM members completely ignoring goonswarm racist ingame behaviour. Hypocrisy at maximum.
You are very welcome to post proof that mynnna supported the Aryan Nation ingame. Contrary to popular beliefs there is more than one person in our alliance.
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Sarmatiko
998
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:23:00 -
[426] - Quote
Eezee Gonozal wrote:You are very welcome to post proof that mynnna supported the Aryan Nation ingame. Contrary to popular beliefs there is more than one person in our alliance.
Contrary to popular beliefs, there is more than one voter behind Fon's CSM program (and not behind his RL beckground). It's funny, but if Mynnna eats children in real life - we will never know this and he will still be elected. Because mindless hive will vote for anyone, even for monkey with grenade after one message in alliance IIRC.
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Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:32:00 -
[427] - Quote
At least we know that mynnna is smart enough not to post about his child-eating habits on this forum. And as mindless as we are we can still see that Fon is a terrible person. Funny how that works, huh? |

Sarmatiko
998
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:37:00 -
[428] - Quote
Eezee Gonozal wrote:And as mindless as we are we can still see that Fon is a terrible person. Funny how that works, huh? Terrible person in CSM is better than useless person. Just look at candidates and find those that actually know their part of the game.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1127
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:40:00 -
[429] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Terrible person in CSM is better than useless person.
How do you figure? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
319

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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:49:00 -
[430] - Quote
Locking while I write ~a post~ CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
319

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Posted - 2013.03.29 15:47:00 -
[431] - Quote
I'm unlocking this thread now.
Let me just restate that everyone in this thread should be extra careful to follow the rules on the forums to the letter
My ban hammer is prepped and ready to drop. I understand that many of you have real concerns, and CCP is currently looking into those concerns. However, that does not permit you to break the rules.
Any important information that you have, but which you cannot post without breaking the forum rules, can be sent in a petition to the community team. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2013.03.29 15:58:00 -
[432] - Quote
Maybe you'd like to clarify exactly where the line is? Normally it'd be obvious, but since this is a thread involving an openly neo-**** CSM candidate that hasn't been banned yet, I don't think the line is as clear as you think it is. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Thorien Greenwood
Tactical Tea Baggers Get Off My Lawn
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:05:00 -
[433] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Maybe you'd like to clarify exactly where the line is? Normally it'd be obvious, but since this is a thread involving an openly neo-**** CSM candidate that hasn't been banned yet, I don't think the line is as clear as you think it is. Seconding this. The candidate has openly expressed his white nationalist views. This is not a case of players doxxing him and trolling him. He integrates his views which I find personally abhorrent into his very campaign. How can you expect us to just ignore them?! It seems incredibly relevant to his position on the CSM
but fair enough. I will move to the other thread to continue to express my deepest disgust. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:11:00 -
[434] - Quote
Thorien Greenwood wrote:He integrates his views which I find personally abhorrent into his very campaign. .
Also if you for some reason need proof of this, watch the video he has linked on his Candidacy page entitled "Fon Revedhort's CSM 7 Candidate pvp movie : Motorization of Disciples".
http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/candidate?id=563980 is his candidacy page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Af6R4j0S_U is the direct link to the embedded video
Watch that, and if a few thousand alarm bells don't go off within 15-20 seconds of the video even starting, you might literally be Kaspar Hauser. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
319

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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:14:00 -
[435] - Quote
The line is, do not break any of these rules: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules
We understand that this a particularly weird situation, made even more troublesome by the Easter Holiday.
While I understand that asking for patience on this matter is a difficult request, I assure you that I am aware of all the comments made in this thread. What I am not willing to do is allow a thread like this to go out of control over the weekend.
CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:18:00 -
[436] - Quote
Quote:6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.
So Fon's already banned, right? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
316
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:46:00 -
[437] - Quote
I find all the outrage about this to be the most egregious of nonsense. Take a look at the EVE culture, and this surprises you? News flash, not all of EVE are trolls saying horrible things to get a rise out of people, some are, in fact, actually racists, homophobic, or sexist. At least FON has the courage to stand behind his views, as awful as they are.
Last year we had the CSM chair endorse cyber-bullying a fellow player into suicide in front of very large audience, and got off with a 1 month ban and kicked off the CSM.
You do not get to be upset about this and then go and continue laughing at racists jokes, or throwing around racists slurs because you think it is funny. There is no sort-of racism, there is just racism. There is no slight bigotry, there is only bigotry, and VAST, VAST amounts of the EVE player base are bigots, and CCP does not care outside the limits of their own legal obligation. |

Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:46:00 -
[438] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Quote:6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges. So Fon's already banned, right?
I suggest if you find any instances where Fon has posted hate speech, gender stereotyping, or racim on these forums, you immediately quote him, and report the post. CCP will have to ban him. As long as, you know, you manage to find said posts.
Hm. Quite the conondrum.
Apparently here is a CSM applicant who, according to some, is a racist (etc.), but no proof can be found. So how do they know he's a racist then... It's almost as if some people here have an ulterior agenda.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1037
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:48:00 -
[439] - Quote
CCP knows pretty well that accussing someone of doing something is not the same as actually providing hard evidence. People may label me as they please, but their opinion is just that - their own opinion. Hope that helps. My campaign for CSM 8 |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1133
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:49:00 -
[440] - Quote
Marian Devers wrote:I suggest if you find any instances where Fon has posted hate speech, gender stereotyping, or racim on these forums, you immediately quote him, and report the post. CCP will have to ban him. As long as, you know, you manage to find said posts.
Hm. Quite the conondrum.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2807140#post2807140
Bottom of this post, brosef :) I'd link the original but it was purged in one of the many post-deletion waves this thread has seen. Funny how it apparently warranted deletion, is definitely endorsing an openly racist point of view, and yet here's Fon still posting away! Strange, no? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:00:00 -
[441] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from.
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Sums it up pretty nice, actually....
Fon seems to be agreeing with ANTI-racism sentiments. Seems to be the exact opposite of racism. Maybe I quoted the wrong part? Help me out here. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1133
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:03:00 -
[442] - Quote
Marian Devers wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote: I have no problem with people of any skin color, creed, or nationality who chose to leave behind where they've come from and assimilate to the culture that prevails in the land where I am from.
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Sums it up pretty nice, actually.... Fon seems to be agreeing with ANTI-racism sentiments. Seems to be the exact opposite of racism. Maybe I quoted the wrong part? Help me out here.
Yeah, you left out
Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism. Sums it up pretty nice, actually. We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
Context is a ***** when you're wrong, isn't it? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Sieg oder Valhalla
The Advent of Faith
6
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:08:00 -
[443] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Womyn Power wrote:I have a problem with people who come to a country, completely alien in culture and creed and assume that because some leftists who have taken their ideology too far they are entitled to the social welfare and services of the community itself. This is nothing but intentional destruction of culture by idiots who have chosen to drink the koolaid of cultural marxism. Sums it up pretty nice, actually. We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas. Context is a ***** when you're wrong, isn't it?
Not surprising that a "space communist" somehow finds the idea of borders and community property rights to be some horrible evil. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1134
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:10:00 -
[444] - Quote
Sieg oder Valhalla wrote:borders and community property rights.
Sorry, I'm not literally ********, your dogwhistle isn't working. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:27:00 -
[445] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Context is a ***** when you're wrong, isn't it?
Also looooooooooooooooooooool if you think "I have no problem with foreigners so long as they don't act all foreign" is an anti-racist sentiment.
Well, It seems like an immigration-issue discussion. Discussing immigration is now racist? Just because it's not anti-racist, it is automatically racist? By that logic, talk of tracking enhancers is automatically racist
Fon Revedhort wrote:We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
And I don't see this "foreigners shouldn't act foreign" thing you wrote about, Fon is clearly stating that people shouldn't forget that they came from a different country - not that they should start acting 'Merican if they come to 'Merica!
Do you think that's bad? Should people forget that they originally came from a different country? Should we tell all african-americans to FORGET that they came from Africa, due to slave-trade? In my opinion, things like that should never be forgotten, or forgiven.
So forgive me, I think Fon is right - never forget your origins, or forget your culture. |

Rhegulius Nycemius
Brigadier Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:39:00 -
[446] - Quote
Quote:So forgive me, I think Fon is right - never forget your origins, or forget your culture.
Does that include never forgetting or forgetting the vile evil that "people" with Fon's views have inflicted, and still inflict, on the rest of humanity? |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1729
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Posted - 2013.03.29 18:11:00 -
[447] - Quote
Marian Devers wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Context is a ***** when you're wrong, isn't it?
Also looooooooooooooooooooool if you think "I have no problem with foreigners so long as they don't act all foreign" is an anti-racist sentiment. Well, It seems like an immigration-issue discussion. Discussing immigration is now racist? Just because it's not anti-racist, it is automatically racist?  By that logic, talk of tracking enhancers is automatically racist Fon Revedhort wrote:We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home? And I don't see this "foreigners shouldn't act foreign" thing you wrote about, Fon is clearly stating that people shouldn't forget that they came from a different country - not that they should start acting 'Merican if they come to 'Merica! Do you think that's bad? Should people forget that they originally came from a different country? Should we tell all african-americans to FORGET that they came from Africa, due to slave-trade? In my opinion, things like that should never be forgotten, or forgiven. So forgive me, I think Fon is right - never forget your origins, or forget your culture.
To give you the benefit of the doubt, you have missed him quoting David Duke (google him if you dont know who that is) endless 14/88 references, using neo-**** music and saying "not all races are equal, some are inferior"
I give you the benefit of the doubt, since CCP have repeatedly deleted all his postings on the issue because they break the forum rules.
Last time I broke the forum rules I got a 2 week ban, so forgive me if a lot of people are confused as to why he is not only banned from posting, but allowed to seemingly run as a candidate to represent the playerbase, wherein the CSM charter says they need to be an "example to others".
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
173
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Posted - 2013.03.29 18:19:00 -
[448] - Quote
Marian Devers wrote:Do you think that's bad? Should people forget that they originally came from a different country? Should we tell all african-americans to FORGET that they came from Africa, due to slave-trade? In my opinion, things like that should never be forgotten, or forgiven.
So forgive me, I think Fon is right - never forget your origins, or forget your culture. If the alternative (The one Fon is supporting) is the ***, then yes people everywhere should forget their culture. Luckily, however, the world isn't black/white, a thing that many people should learn ASAP.
The point about the EVE community being casually racist, mysogonist or homophobic is a valid one in many ways, but at the same time it has certain flaws. First off, of course, is that many people are simply adding expetitives. You don't have to listen to many FCs or alliance/corp leaders on soundcloud to get that. Second is that they're often based on (wrong) stereotypes. When ratters in the large nullsec alliances are called jews, it's because of the stereotype, not because of RL views that jews are less human or even not human. The problem here is that Fon brought these views directly into debates a year ago when he ran for CSM then. Unprovoked. He has since reitertated a lot on these views, and continue to list *** leaders or Nazigerman leaders as idols - not on some obscure site, but here on the EVEO forums. If he brings his views on race etc into his campaign, then he should also endure the heat due to them.
And re: Mittani and last years FanFest. I was glad he was removed from the CSM then, and I would cite it as a reason why Fon should simply not be allowed to run. |

Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:23:00 -
[449] - Quote
I guess its sad that his culture is so weak that its going to get quickly overrun by a few immigrants oh well another waste consigned to the ash heap of history! bring back images |

Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:50:00 -
[450] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Quote:6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges. So Fon's already banned, right?
I just don't want this to get glossed over.
Khanh'rhh wrote: Last time I broke the forum rules I got a 2 week ban, so forgive me if a lot of people are confused as to why he is not only not banned from posting, but allowed to seemingly run as a candidate to represent the playerbase, wherein the CSM charter says they need to be an "example to others".
This is what I don't understand, it's not like this was dug up on some obscure blog of his. He posted this stuff on the Eve-O forums himself, hell even some of it was in the OP of his CSM thread.
What I am taking from this is, that if I were to call someone a racial slur then I would rightfully be banned, but if I avoid specific slurs and just spout hate speech and quote David Duke and reference ****** I can run for CSM. [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |
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Hoarr
Asgard. Exodus.
122
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Posted - 2013.03.29 20:01:00 -
[451] - Quote
I honestly don't even understand how this is an issue. There is irrefutable proof that he's a Neo-[National Socialist German Workers' Party]. As such, the basic tenants of his beliefs are that he supports the systemic killing and persecution of all non-white heterosexual people. Let's just skip past all of the BS about IG and IRL separation and all the other nonsensical straw men that people have been trying to erect. He is incapable of living in a modern tolerant society and dealing with people that are different than he is.
People like that have NO place being anywhere near a decision making role in any group I associate with or as associates of a group that I associate with. |

ZZEZ 'Murika
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.29 21:14:00 -
[452] - Quote
CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity". This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy. |

Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.29 21:47:00 -
[453] - Quote
ZZEZ 'Murika wrote:CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity". This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy. It's ok they had a cyber-bully last year on csm who almost killed someone by harassing him (can you believe it?), I think they know what they are doing. +1 from me seems decent |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
174
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:02:00 -
[454] - Quote
Afk Moon Goo wrote:ZZEZ 'Murika wrote:CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity". This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy. It's ok they had a cyber-bully last year on csm who almost killed someone by harassing him (can you believe it?), I think they know what they are doing. +1 from me seems decent Did you stop to think about why The Mittani is not on CSM7 ? |

Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:10:00 -
[455] - Quote
Alphea Abbra wrote: Did you stop to think about why The Mittani is not on CSM7 ?
I have a better question : Fon Revedhort did you almost kill someone because of a videogame? If no I think you have your chances  |

Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:11:00 -
[456] - Quote
Richard Bong wrote:This is what I don't understand, it's not like this was dug up on some obscure blog of his. He posted this stuff on the Eve-O forums himself, hell even some of it was in the OP of his CSM thread.
What I am taking from this is, that if I were to call someone a racial slur then I would rightfully be banned, but if I avoid specific slurs and just spout hate speech and quote David Duke and reference ****** I can run for CSM.
Hate speech will get him banned, that's why I asked Snow Axe to direct me to them. All you need to do is find the post, and report it. What's the problem?
Khanh'rhh wrote:To give you the benefit of the doubt, you have missed him quoting David Duke (google him if you dont know who that is) endless 14/88 references, using neo-**** music and saying "not all races are equal, some are inferior"
I give you the benefit of the doubt, since CCP have repeatedly deleted all his postings on the issue because they break the forum rules.
So there was proof, but now it's gone? Hm. Strange. Do I take your word on this? Would you happen to have a screenshot or something? I mean someone, not saying you, but someone, theoretically, could say "oh Khanh made some hate speech but CCP deleted the remarks - Ban Fon".
I mean, if CCP deleted these comments, wouldn't that make them a guilty party? Accessory even? Why are you still paying for your account then?
Alphea Abbra wrote: If the alternative (The one Fon is supporting) is the ***, then yes people everywhere should forget their culture.
What is the alternative that he is supporting...?
I keep on hearing about all this bad stuff, but there seems to be no proof 
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Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:25:00 -
[457] - Quote
Afk Moon Goo wrote:ZZEZ 'Murika wrote:CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity". This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy. It's ok they had a cyber-bully last year on csm who almost killed someone by harassing him (can you believe it?), I think they know what they are doing. +1 from me seems decent
Mittani at best would have just gotten an assist for that bring back images |

Wolfduke
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:26:00 -
[458] - Quote
CCP Dolan wrote:I'm unlocking this thread now.
Let me just restate that everyone in this thread should be extra careful to follow the rules on the forums to the letter
My ban hammer is prepped and ready to drop. I understand that many of you have real concerns, and CCP is currently looking into those concerns. However, that does not permit you to break the rules.
Any important information that you have, but which you cannot post without breaking the forum rules, can be sent in a petition to the community team.
Hey Bolton, suck my **** |

Gorski Car
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
58
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:37:00 -
[459] - Quote
+10 votes. |

Richard Bong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:37:00 -
[460] - Quote
Marian Devers wrote:Richard Bong wrote:This is what I don't understand, it's not like this was dug up on some obscure blog of his. He posted this stuff on the Eve-O forums himself, hell even some of it was in the OP of his CSM thread.
What I am taking from this is, that if I were to call someone a racial slur then I would rightfully be banned, but if I avoid specific slurs and just spout hate speech and quote David Duke and reference ****** I can run for CSM. Hate speech will get him banned, that's why I asked Snow Axe to direct me to them. All you need to do is find the post, and report it. What's the problem?
CCP sitting on their hands and Nazi apologists shit posting. [ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting! |
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Sidrat Flush
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
138
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:38:00 -
[461] - Quote
When Goons are calling someone out for their stated opinion it's a pretty bad sign and not a very good start for a political campaign even if it's just about pixels. The new home of the Eve Industrial Organiser is here. Enjoy the first in a series, EIO:Refinery now http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/Sidrat/ Read about it http://eveindustrialorganiser.blogspot.co.uk/?m=0 |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
324

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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:40:00 -
[462] - Quote
Welp, people seem to be unable to prevent themselves from breaking the forum rules.
I'm going to be locking this thread till Tuesday. We at CCP should be making an announcement on this matter as soon as possible.
Creating duplicate threads will result in a lock and potentially a ban. CCP is looking into this, I assure you, but things are going to have to go on pause for a bit while we do. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
326

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Posted - 2013.04.03 18:01:00 -
[463] - Quote
CCP has undertaken an internal debate about whether or not to deny Fon RevedhortGÇÖs candidacy for the Council of Stellar Management, and we have been careful to take all aspects of the discussion into consideration. It has become clear we could not allow him to continue his candidacy past the initial electoral phase.
While he is entitled to his personal opinions, CCP cannot allow someone with the views he has continued to express to represent the EVE player base, and CCP, as a member of the CSM. The presence of a player with the views that Fon Revedhort has expressed having a seat on the Council of Stellar Management (CSM) would have the potential to create charged situations between Council members and developers they would work with both virtually and in-person at summits. As such, with the Council being a vital part of our development process and a representation of our players both internally and externally, we have made our decision and removed him from eligibility.
We apologize to all those who endorsed Fon Revedhort in the Pre-Election and regret that this was not resolved earlier. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
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