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Mei Sui
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:10:00 -
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Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec.
One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec. The farther you go, the greater the rewards. When it comes to mining for example, the base ores are in high sec with the most valuable in null sec. Added to that the population density in high sec and all of the belts are picked clean with the need to either move farther out into the frontier or into low sec. This shows a good example of the risk to reward escalation.
Missions on the other hand are different. While there are better paying missions in the lowsec/null sec areas, they are a small increase versus the change in risk that is associated. Level 4 missions in high sec give a substantial, multi-million ISK reward for practically no risk at all. And a character can easily get to level 4 agents in a few weeks with good Social skills.
While I do agree that new pilots need a foothold when they join EVE, this mechanic should scale with the rewards offered and I believe that by moving the level 4 agents into low sec, the risk can match the reward more effectively. (While keeping Level 1-3 agents in high sec)
There is another reason for this and that is to fight the large influx of ISK entering the EVE economy from missions. During last years Fanfest in 2012, it was pointed out that 26 Trillion ISK enters the EVE economy via missions. I believe this will go a long way in curbing inflation as pilots must now truly asses the risk of entering low sec with the greater rewards that level 4 and 5 agents offer.
Anyways, that's my idea. Flame away!  |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:24:00 -
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A simple search would have provided you with years of threads all saying the same thing and they would of provided you with the exact same answer in each one.
Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
561
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:29:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:A simple search would have provided you with years of threads all saying the same thing and they would of provided you with the exact same answer in each one.
This one is different, I sense a great darkness inside it.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2385
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:30:00 -
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I always like to post in these threads: Yah... ofc all level 4 missions should be in lowsec.
Not a new idea. It is a good idea though, but the entitlement party of highsec would cry too much.
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Mei Sui
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:32:00 -
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I did run a search just now and it does show up in several threads. But usually as responses to other ideas or to address another topic. i.e inflation.
But, a good idea is worth repeating I think, even if it is in other threads. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1524
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:33:00 -
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Signed for great justice.
Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:39:00 -
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how bout you all stop trying to ruin the game for 75% of the players.
just because we dont want to fight your un-fair ass, doesn't mean you should force us
tl;dr kill yourselves, you are the cancer killing eve.
That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Alternate Poster
Blatant Tax Avoidance
Victrix Mortalis
78
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:40:00 -
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All missions, stations, belts, moons and sigs should be in Jove space. |
Frying Doom
2306
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:49:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:how bout you all stop trying to ruin the game for 75% of the players.
just because we dont want to fight your un-fair ass, doesn't mean you should force us
tl;dr kill yourselves, you are the cancer killing eve.
And this is why they will never be moved.
It would be the whine heard around the world.
The obvious answer is of course to leave hi-sec missions alone and increase the pay out of lo-sec missions to ,make them more attractive.
Or to open a new space, for example Jove space, make it dangerous like null sec and put new higher paying missions in there.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
3362
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:02:00 -
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You are a fool to think anyone farming level 4 missions would all of the sudden decide to go to low sec to keep farming them. The only thing they would do is start farming level 3 missions.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2566
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:07:00 -
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Posting in another "we killed everything that moved in lowsec for no reason and now there's no more targets" thread.
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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
298
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:09:00 -
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I'll refine the suggestion. (because frankly, that will never happen)
Increase the income spread between high sec and low sec agents, so that high sec provides considerably less income and low-sec slightly more than now. That way, Massive amounts of content won't be stripped from high sec, while the high-sec/low-sec income spread is increased to where many people feel it should be. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1524
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:21:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You are a fool to think anyone farming level 4 missions would all of the sudden decide to go to low sec to keep farming them. The only thing they would do is start farming level 3 missions.
This is what makes the idea so awesome.
Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. |
Fairren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:40:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec. One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec. The farther you go, the greater the rewards. When it comes to mining for example, the base ores are in high sec with the most valuable in null sec. Added to that the population density in high sec and all of the belts are picked clean with the need to either move farther out into the frontier or into low sec. This shows a good example of the risk to reward escalation. Missions on the other hand are different. While there are better paying missions in the lowsec/null sec areas, they are a small increase versus the change in risk that is associated. Level 4 missions in high sec give a substantial, multi-million ISK reward for practically no risk at all. And a character can easily get to level 4 agents in a few weeks with good Social skills. While I do agree that new pilots need a foothold when they join EVE, this mechanic should scale with the rewards offered and I believe that by moving the level 4 agents into low sec, the risk can match the reward more effectively. (While keeping Level 1-3 agents in high sec) There is another reason for this and that is to fight the large influx of ISK entering the EVE economy from missions. During last years Fanfest in 2012, it was pointed out that 26 Trillion ISK enters the EVE economy via missions. I believe this will go a long way in curbing inflation as pilots must now truly asses the risk of entering low sec with the greater rewards that level 4 and 5 agents offer. Anyways, that's my idea. Flame away!
I don't think you understand mission runner income well. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1263
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:52:00 -
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I always wondered what all those pirate battleships were doing deep in high-sec. This would make more sense lore wise:
Level 1 : 1.0 and lower
Level 2 : 0.8 and lower
Level 3 : 0.6 and lower
Level 4 : 0.5 and lower
Level 5 : 0.4 and lower
Payout modifications are no longer by security status but simplified to high-sec, low-sec and null-sec.
Nerf enough?
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:58:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec. One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec. The farther you go, the greater the rewards. When it comes to mining for example, the base ores are in high sec with the most valuable in null sec. Added to that the population density in high sec and all of the belts are picked clean with the need to either move farther out into the frontier or into low sec. This shows a good example of the risk to reward escalation. Missions on the other hand are different. While there are better paying missions in the lowsec/null sec areas, they are a small increase versus the change in risk that is associated. Level 4 missions in high sec give a substantial, multi-million ISK reward for practically no risk at all. And a character can easily get to level 4 agents in a few weeks with good Social skills. While I do agree that new pilots need a foothold when they join EVE, this mechanic should scale with the rewards offered and I believe that by moving the level 4 agents into low sec, the risk can match the reward more effectively. (While keeping Level 1-3 agents in high sec) There is another reason for this and that is to fight the large influx of ISK entering the EVE economy from missions. During last years Fanfest in 2012, it was pointed out that 26 Trillion ISK enters the EVE economy via missions. I believe this will go a long way in curbing inflation as pilots must now truly asses the risk of entering low sec with the greater rewards that level 4 and 5 agents offer. Anyways, that's my idea. Flame away!
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stoicfaux
2582
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:13:00 -
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Don't use a bigger stick, instead give everyone else a bigger carrot. The easier, sub-saving way is to make everything else (i.e. Incursions, FW, null-sec, industry, trading) more profitable than level 4s. Let (human) nature run its course.
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Grayson Cole
Xerex Industrial Solutions
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:17:00 -
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What an original idea! Great thread, would read again.
Also, no.
Caldari Militia Gÿ£G£½GÿP |
Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:39:00 -
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Nothing much would change, a few might unsub but most would just farm lvl 3 missions. Then in a few months we would have whine threads about how lvl 3 missions are to much isk for too little risk.
This has happened before with lvl 5 missions being removed from high sec completely, The result is almost no one runs lvl 5 missions anymore.
This is mostly just thinly disguised whine about not having enough baby seals to club, Really move missions ? If isk is truly a problem, just reduce npc bounties... |
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:40:00 -
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But think about the mission gankers. Without level 4's in Hi-Sec, who's going to fly those faction fit Golems out of Osmon for them to gank? 
I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
619
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:43:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You are a fool to think anyone farming level 4 missions would all of the sudden decide to go to low sec to keep farming them. The only thing they would do is start farming level 3 missions. This is what makes the idea so awesome.
translation: i don't need anything myself if it makes you lose something too  |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1528
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:54:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You are a fool to think anyone farming level 4 missions would all of the sudden decide to go to low sec to keep farming them. The only thing they would do is start farming level 3 missions. This is what makes the idea so awesome. translation: i don't need anything myself if it makes you lose something too
It's pretty sad that you can make more money in nearly perfect safety running L4s as opposed to doing anoms in, say, low-sec. L4s are completely out of whack; L3s are plenty for high-sec.
Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. |
Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:07:00 -
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OP stop the madness. Ninja Salvaging lvl 4 mission runners in high sec helps pay for my PvP habit.
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Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
101
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:15:00 -
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I would like to understand this argument better. Is the goal of moving level 4 missions to low sec to increase opportunities for PvP or to decrease the amount of isk being generated? Everything that I've seen tells me that the net positive of moving the missions would be...lets go with "minimal."
So these are my thoughts on moving the missions, lets figure out where I'm wrong.
1. PvE boats are built differently than PvP boats. PvE boats are designed to take a little beating over a long time, whereas PvP boats are designed to spike damage. With the difference between fitting ideology, PvP pilots will more easily steamroll the PvE pilots.
2. People that just want to fly around in a blingy ships won't be coerced to go to low sec to fly missions. If their enjoyment of the game is reduced enough, these are the people most likely to leave the game.
3. People that want to PvP have to be able to sustain their PvP habit. Other games have completely removed the barrier to PvP, namely if you die you just appear again with all your stuff and are free to go at it. Now I understand and agree that this isn't the way EvE is designed. You lose your ship and whatever else every time you get blown up. The idea still exists though, people will only be able to PvP as much as their able to replace losses. Make it harder to recover from losses and you're going to effectively kill PvP for the small fish.
4. Risk vs Reward is all kinds of screwed up in low sec. You can't just pile on ridiculous amounts of risk, provide a marginal amount of reward, and expect things to be balanced. How much more risk is low sec than high sec, particularly for any PvE-ish activity (missions, hauling, mining, etc)? Twice as dangerous? Three times? Fifty times? For it to be worth going into low sec the additional profits need to exceed the additional risk taken. As everyone goes to low sec to mindlessly blow up anything that isn't their gang the risk vs reward is ridiculously out of wack. Simply moving level 4's into low sec doesn't change that balance.
5. A lot of isk is added from missions, but it's spread across a lot of players. Barring bots or something of the sorts, players having access to isk generating activities is what gives players personal options and allows the player ran economy to exist.
I would really like to understand the ideas from the other side, but I simply don't see the benefits of moving level 4's to low sec. But if there's a good counter argument, I would like to understand it. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2392
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:24:00 -
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Why not buff low/null instead? The only way I can pay for my drunken pvp is through missions and since I'm equally bad at pve, I don't earn much either. |
Tesal
280
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:45:00 -
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CCP: Were moving all level 4 missions to lowsec. **** you carebears.
Carebear 1: I quit.
Carebear 2: WAAAAAAAAAAAAH, my butt hurts.
1 week later at the carebear therapists office.
Therapist: You lost level 4 missions in hisec. How does that make you feel.
Carebear 2: I don't know what to do. I'm so depressed. My life is over.
Therapist: You know that EvE is a video game and its ok take your aggression out on other players. Its just a fantasy world, its not real. Explosions in an internet spaceships game might help your depression and anxiety.
Carebear 2: I'm a pirate now. I will go to lowsec. Yay I'm cured. I will go around killing other people for fun. EXPLOSIONS. Yay.
One week later.
CCP: Were getting rid of lowsec and making it hi-sec so carebears can do level 4's. **** you pirates.
The saga continues... |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime
Kraken.
416
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:07:00 -
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I'm not sure what to think about low and null sec players who beg to CCP to feed them carebears. If you're in low and looking for a fight then just go to the nearest gate and there's one to be had.
Or are you looking to fight people in PVE ships who can't fight back? And if you are then how does that make you any better than the carebears?
How does acting tough go hand in hand with asking for opponents who can't fight? Surely the tough people will pick any number of the already available targets in low and null.
We miss you Saede. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1119
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:01:00 -
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Dear me, this again.
So, level 4 mission runners would take pve fit ships to be ganked whilst doing missions in lo-sec by gangs of pvp fit ships.
The OP has been playing since 2006. Hmm, perhaps the OP has only bought the character and has been playing Eve for a few hours and has much to learn.
Eve is about risk versus reward, not about losing ships just to pad some one else's kill board stat's.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1119
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:03:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:March rabbit wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You are a fool to think anyone farming level 4 missions would all of the sudden decide to go to low sec to keep farming them. The only thing they would do is start farming level 3 missions. This is what makes the idea so awesome. translation: i don't need anything myself if it makes you lose something too It's pretty sad that you can make more money in nearly perfect safety running L4s as opposed to doing anoms in, say, low-sec. L4s are completely out of whack; L3s are plenty for high-sec.
If you get your production slots in null-sec, will you please stop whinging about hi-sec?
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
360
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:27:00 -
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Posting in a stealth pirate "feed me more victims" thread.
Seriously though, level 5 missions already lead to lowsec systems, and the main reason people don't do them is because of the OMGWTFPWNED that likely occurs. Lowsec is a wasteland for a reason! I would not agree, at all, that level 4 missions should be moved there too.
Though, perhaps some new level 4 missions could be put there, awesome ones with massive amounts of additional loot. I'd see no issue with that, as highsec players would still have the choice to decline such missions for ones that they know are safe, whilst still leaving the possibility open for those willing to take the additional risk for the additional reward.
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