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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
432
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:37:00 -
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... strums the banjo and waits for a new Level 4 mission, available in Low Sec only, called "Deliverance"...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
9
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:38:00 -
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Move all mineable moons into high sec. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4104
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:41:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:... strums the banjo and waits for a new Level 4 mission, available in Low Sec only, called "Deliverance"...
Dueling Banjo Dogs There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
572
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:41:00 -
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Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Move all mineable moons into high sec.
Sure, but also remove concord from the game. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4104
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:42:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Move all mineable moons into high sec. Sure, but also remove concord from the game.
You are not trolling properly. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
572
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:44:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Move all mineable moons into high sec. Sure, but also remove concord from the game. You are not trolling properly.
Im not trolling, im responding to the suggestion to move all mineable moons into high sec. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:44:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:I did run a search just now and it does show up in several threads. But usually as responses to other ideas or to address another topic. i.e inflation.
But, a good idea is worth repeating I think, even if it is in other threads. No it's a stupid idea... Stupid... Lets find more ways to drive people out of the game... |
Sebben
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:06:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec. One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec. The farther you go, the greater the rewards. When it comes to mining for example, the base ores are in high sec with the most valuable in null sec. Added to that the population density in high sec and all of the belts are picked clean with the need to either move farther out into the frontier or into low sec. This shows a good example of the risk to reward escalation. Missions on the other hand are different. While there are better paying missions in the lowsec/null sec areas, they are a small increase versus the change in risk that is associated. Level 4 missions in high sec give a substantial, multi-million ISK reward for practically no risk at all. And a character can easily get to level 4 agents in a few weeks with good Social skills. While I do agree that new pilots need a foothold when they join EVE, this mechanic should scale with the rewards offered and I believe that by moving the level 4 agents into low sec, the risk can match the reward more effectively. (While keeping Level 1-3 agents in high sec) There is another reason for this and that is to fight the large influx of ISK entering the EVE economy from missions. During last years Fanfest in 2012, it was pointed out that 26 Trillion ISK enters the EVE economy via missions. I believe this will go a long way in curbing inflation as pilots must now truly asses the risk of entering low sec with the greater rewards that level 4 and 5 agents offer. Anyways, that's my idea. Flame away!
So your trying to get PVE fit people to go into lowsec/nullsec to do PVE missions, with generally no PVP ships, so you can take your PVP ship, and gank the PVE people, who can't combat your PVP fit ship with their PVE fit ship.
And your calling it a Financial Stabilization....
Next you'll be asking to eliminate local.
You should have been a politician. |
Mei Sui
Justified Chaos
8
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:14:00 -
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Sebben wrote:Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec. One of the key tenants of the EVE universe has been the risk to reward scale going from hi-sec to low-sec to null-sec. The farther you go, the greater the rewards. When it comes to mining for example, the base ores are in high sec with the most valuable in null sec. Added to that the population density in high sec and all of the belts are picked clean with the need to either move farther out into the frontier or into low sec. This shows a good example of the risk to reward escalation. Missions on the other hand are different. While there are better paying missions in the lowsec/null sec areas, they are a small increase versus the change in risk that is associated. Level 4 missions in high sec give a substantial, multi-million ISK reward for practically no risk at all. And a character can easily get to level 4 agents in a few weeks with good Social skills. While I do agree that new pilots need a foothold when they join EVE, this mechanic should scale with the rewards offered and I believe that by moving the level 4 agents into low sec, the risk can match the reward more effectively. (While keeping Level 1-3 agents in high sec) There is another reason for this and that is to fight the large influx of ISK entering the EVE economy from missions. During last years Fanfest in 2012, it was pointed out that 26 Trillion ISK enters the EVE economy via missions. I believe this will go a long way in curbing inflation as pilots must now truly asses the risk of entering low sec with the greater rewards that level 4 and 5 agents offer. Anyways, that's my idea. Flame away! So your trying to get PVE fit people to go into lowsec/nullsec to do PVE missions, with generally no PVP ships, so you can take your PVP ship, and gank the PVE people, who can't combat your PVP fit ship with their PVE fit ship. And your calling it a Financial Stabilization.... Next you'll be asking to eliminate local. You should have been a politician.
One good idea at a time |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4104
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:19:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec.
You are 8 years or so late on this.
Lame. Lame. Lame. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
536
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:04:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:One good idea at a time If what you're trying to accomplish is drive CCP's customers away, well, yeah, this indeed is a great idea. |
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
212
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:19:00 -
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If CCP moves level 4 missions to low sec they should also move incursions to low sec as well. In fact move everything to low sec so the only people who can make money is the ones that are in a corp or have enough time to spend the time it takes to grind up in high sec for a decentship that can travel to low-sec and spend hours trying not to die from all the people waiting to blow them out of the water.
What are you crazy? If anything make level 5 missions more numerable or profitable to encourage those, but there's a lot of people who like to play eve casually. Not everyone is a teenager with innumerable hours of free time a day to devote to an online video game or has the patience to grind level 3 missions in high sec because they're broke and they want to mission in low sec. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
332
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:26:00 -
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As others have said a lot of people enjoy running Level 4 missions and that is all they do in Eve so moving them all to lowsec would loose a lot of subs for CCP, a better solution would be:
Adjust all highsec missions to payout up to Level2-3 tops.
Then the economy is safe, Risk:Reward is balanced and people can still enjoy shooting large red crosses in safety! Candy's Capital Shop |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
97
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:27:00 -
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if they made the LP payouts anywhere near as good as L5 missions I would totally run them in low. what's the best you can make in a one room blapfest like the blockade? 15000? freelance space bum |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
82
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:43:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:if they made the LP payouts anywhere near as good as L5 missions I would totally run them in low. what's the best you can make in a one room blapfest like the blockade? 15000?
Want better LP rewards? Join FW. One FW L4 mission can pay you upwards of 80,000 LP. Not to mention the LP costs for items in the FW LP store are a lot lower than you typical npc corp. Example: Navy Mega costs around 600k LP in a typical LP store, but in Gallente FW LP store it only costs 250k.
You want incentive to go to lowsec, there it is. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
97
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:03:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:if they made the LP payouts anywhere near as good as L5 missions I would totally run them in low. what's the best you can make in a one room blapfest like the blockade? 15000? Want better LP rewards? Join FW. One FW L4 mission can pay you upwards of 80,000 LP. Not to mention the LP costs for items in the FW LP store are a lot lower than you typical npc corp. Example: Navy Mega costs around 600k LP in a typical LP store, but in Gallente FW LP store it only costs 250k. You want incentive to go to lowsec, there it is.
yeah, might have to try that out. I've run the novice plexes and L1s with a minmatar alt before but I was falling prone to piracy somewhat. but if I can take my sentries anyone popping in to say hi will catch a burn freelance space bum |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
1058
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:46:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec.
See, this is the kind of thing that makes me rub my temples and shake my head.
Repeat after me: you CAN NOT force players into doing something they don't want to do.
Let's be honest - if someone wanted to mission in low sec, they would already be missioning in low sec. Heck, FW was basically a way to print insane amounts of ISK with minimal, virtually nonexistent risk.
Someone who doesn't want to mission in low sec, will NEVER mission in low sec, no matter how big a carrot you dangle in front of them. Well, within limits, of course. If a single mission awarded 10 billion ISK, people would do it, as doing it once would more than offset any losses, but realistically, there's no reasonable reward that could be offered that would make people come to low sec if they weren't willing before.
What it would do, however, is kill high sec mission running community. Which, to be fair, is fairly small to start with, but still, subs are subs (and many of those mission runners run multiple subs, if for no other reason than to speedily salvage).
In short, it's not a solution, because it just plum won't work. Secondly, it's not a solution because there's no problem to start with - it's just a different play style. And once you start to force people out of their chosen playstyles in an MMO that claims to be a sandbox...well...it never ends well.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1194
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:59:00 -
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If missions were structured in such a way that in order to do them effectively you didn't need to be flying a ridiculously fit, incredibly vulnerable ship that can't defend itself against other players then it might be appropriate to move level 4 missions to lowsec.
Regardless of whether or not mission runners would actually go to lowsec to run level 4s all that would do is introduce a bunch of totally defenseless targets to lowsec and that doesn't seem particularly valuable to me.
I'm all for looking at highsec PVE income and adding additional risk to it, but I think moving level 4 missions to lowsec is probably not the way to do it. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1339
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:31:00 -
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Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec.
Alright I will spend some time seriously thinking... NO.
Next?
Live Events are neither. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4107
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:33:00 -
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The only possible response to this thread now or in the future:
Monty Python There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4107
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:35:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Mei Sui wrote:Ready the flamethrowers, but I think it's time to consider moving the level 4 agents to low sec. Repeat after me: you CAN NOT force players into doing something they don't want to do.
For real. I go playing in Low Sec when and if I feel like it. That's what it's there for. This subject is seriously just too bizarre. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Caleb Seremshur
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
5
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:08:00 -
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Rexxorr wrote:Nothing much would change, a few might unsub but most would just farm lvl 3 missions. Then in a few months we would have whine threads about how lvl 3 missions are to much isk for too little risk.
This has happened before with lvl 5 missions being removed from high sec completely, The result is almost no one runs lvl 5 missions anymore.
This is mostly just thinly disguised whine about not having enough baby seals to club, Really move missions ? If isk is truly a problem, just reduce npc bounties...
How about keeping faction patrols in lowsec? They are, after all, still empire space. There might be no concord but full-blown pirates will eventually get mobbed by faction police.
Since we're on that topic, make faction police pay bounties in lowsec, to provide a legitmate excuse for fighting them.
Next we make it that because lowsec is about increased risk, lowsec faction patrols will have sleeper ai, use drones, scram/web, use ECM and generally fight like players, they will viciously target neutral pirates, enemy FW players and AWOXers.
Next we increase the density of mission hubs slightly and introduce a techmoon or two to the empire territories.
Since people whining about L4's want more nullsec space to be a pack of slavering yuppies in, let's make the barrier to hitting highsec a little higher for this group of people whom, aside from their sec status, have no limitations to participating in highsec/lowsec activities. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
350
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:28:00 -
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The fight against inflation should be done by nerfing null sec sov-space bounty revenue. Moving lv4 missions to low sec will just make people cry without adressing the problem. G££ <= Me |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
98
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Posted - 2013.04.14 14:56:00 -
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Altrue wrote:The fight against inflation should be done by nerfing null sec sov-space bounty revenue. Moving lv4 missions to low sec will just make people cry without adressing the problem.
Indeed. And yet even as we speak they organise their union activity against paying residents of New Eden. What we need is some form of 'Space Thatcher' to make the CSM more accountable to all eve players. freelance space bum |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
345
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:57:00 -
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Op has a great idea! I love it - ship prices would fall like a rock! Why? Because you would convert a bunch of mission runners to miners.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3242
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:50:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Don't use a bigger stick, instead give everyone else a bigger carrot. The easier, sub-saving way is to make everything else (i.e. Incursions, FW, null-sec, industry, trading) more profitable than level 4s. Let (human) nature run its course.
CCP tried this with faction warfare button-spinning. It didn't work as well as many people would have expected. Lowsec filled up with 3-day-old button spinning alts who would warp to a safespot the moment anyone entered local.
The greatest problem with lowsec from a carebear's perspective is the people in lowsec who will shoot everything that moves (and if it doesn't move, they'll bump it so it does move, then shoot it because it's moving).
I think the carrot needs to be offered to people in lowsec to not shoot some people. Why would a trigger happy PvPer decide to not shoot something? What sort of reward could be on offer that would be sweeter than exploding someone else's ship? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas My Other Laboratory is a Distillery
88
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:52:00 -
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I believe we already have high risk high reward missions that are in lowsec only. They are called level 5 missions. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1341
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:53:00 -
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A more honest thread title would have been "Moving All Level 4 Mission Runners to Another Game."
CCP's accounting department would like a word with you. Live Events are neither. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3242
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:55:00 -
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As for the idea of moving L4s to lowsec: L5s are already in lowsec, as are incursions that pay out 50% more than hisec incursions. Very few people engage in these activities. I wonder why that is?
The carrot just cannot be big enough to draw risk-averse players into low sec to learn how to PvP. Missions to lowsec will be skipped and abandoned. Moving industry to lowsec will benefit the people who are already in lowsec and know how to keep new folks off their lawn, meanwhile hisec will simply starve and the game will die.
Depriving hisec players of income will lead to hisec players not having the ability to fund their excursions into lowsec.
Ultimately, the problem with lowsec is the people in lowsec. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
94
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:56:00 -
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ok boys and girls.
back in 2005 upto 2008
I ran missions in low sec or null sec.
why did I do this??
better lp rewards and income. and low sec was must more empty back then and if you played your cards right and befriended the locals. you usually got left alone if you kept your head on.
Did I lose ships to low sec pvpers? yes and no. sometimes it was bad luck and what not. Did I ever get scanned down? nope.
places I missioned off of the top of me head were.
Ziriert Hophib << lost a sacriledge here to dumn luck Yahyerer Gyerzen << my 1st pvp was in this system.. I killed me a loot thief lol Aranir << lost a raven to a sacriledge and his 2 friends and after he dide they was on grid. and last but not least. G-0Q86 < lost an apoc to a random gate camp. lost other shiops tooo but that's the part and parcel of low/null missions.
would I do them now days??? lol nope.
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