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Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:53:00 - [31] Edited by: Derron Bel on 15/09/2005 16:54:09 Quote: Rupture Poweroutput increased to 850MW CPU output increased to 45tf Ermmm... Typo! **** Joerd- because the slated role for the crucifier is ew frigate, not tackler. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:53:00 - [32] Oh, and one other thing... Why no boost for the wholly pointless Crucifier? If you want an Amarr tackler, why not just give said ship a speed boost? It's got the slots, but 245m/s just isn't going to cut it.
Bombcrater	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:54:00 - [33] It's nice that the Moa is getting a resist bonus, but that's going to make the Eagle even more pointless than it is now. Please give the Caldari HACs some serious love. They need it badly
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:54:00 - [34] Originally by: Thanos Firebringer Yay for making everything equal. How stupid. Ships have specialzations for a reason. It's called STRATEGY!!! Thorax had a big drone bay. Get over it. It's consistent w/ the Gallente race of ships. They have bigger drones bays. Not every ship shoud be made the same. I do like the Moa gettin the resistance, but then it's almost too much like the maller. Originality is good. Set Trip and Get Smoked ....... 100m3 is still bigger than most cruisers' bay (bar vexor) if i'm not mistaken, and if they boost the vexor's drone bay, well... guess that you'll have a replacement for the thorax ------------------- Grimpak, all round nice guy
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Nyxus Can the Kestral get a bit more Capacitor? The cap is so small it can't warp a lot of systems in a single jump thereby producing the "Omg wait on teh newb tacklers" syndrome. We want them to feel included, and the tiny cap, even with decent skills makes them feel not so loved since everyone has to wait for them to warp. Or just an extra ship bonus reducing the amount of cap needed when warping? Bypasses any potential balance problems nicely.
Guardian Alpha	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:55:00 - [36] I have a large question, will changes also be made to the faction frigates (ie. daredevil)? If the origonal tech1 frigates are now far more improved than the faction frigates then there is little use for the faction frigates... which a lot of us paid some decent isk for and enjoy flying. ------------
craptacular	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:57:00 - [37] So, i'm a gallente and we excel at drones. I mean, look at our drone cruiser, the mighty vexor which happens to have the same drone bay as an arbitrator. I used to fear mallers, now i'm training for it.
Jack Brimstone	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:57:00 - [38] I would just like to add extra weight to others comments re: Executioner. I just can't see how a ship can be in a tackler role with one medslot -- I urge you to rethink that. Swap a low for a mid perhaps?
ElCapitan	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:59:00 - [39] condor needs a bit of a cap boost. its cap in rather pathetic as it is right now. I also disagree with removal of speed bonus on rifter, speed is its best advantage, changing it to falloff is kind of a nerf to a ship thats jsut fine. Also with thorax geting nerfed, perhaps vexor's drone bay should get a boost.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.09.15 16:59:00 - [40] Well tbh. Even with 2 mids an Executioner would still suck for tackling. A whooping 2 points in the current WCS-gallore that is EVE wont do any good. Hell, i spend 10 days training for a Stiletto purely for its 6 points.
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:00:00 - [41] The Arb and Vexor are both drone cruisers. The Vexor is (currently) superior in most every respect, though, so complaints --> pfft ;) -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:00:00 - [42] A 2-mid executioner wouldn't be perfect, granted, but it's better than a 1-mid, because that just doesn't make any sense at all.
ElCapitan	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:02:00 - [43] oh yeah and while looking at t1 frigs, amarr t2 frigs maybe need a look from you? Perhaps a little pg boost or something.
Hippey	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:04:00 - [44] Edited by: Hippey on 15/09/2005 17:04:36 Okay seriously, what is it with the CCP obsession on the thorax? It's still going to be THE ship. a 150MW increase in power output?? ARE YOU CRAZY? The thing is gonna be able to armor tank even better then before! Who cares if it has half the drone space, it's gonna live twice as long. Seriously, the rax needs a nerf. No bonuses anywhere, straight up, NERF! ------------------------------------------- If you do nothing to stop slavery, you do everything to support it!
SauronTheMage	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:04:00 - [45] I would have to agree with the kinetic missle bonus. Why is the bonus ONLY to 1 type of missles. The bonus should be to ALL missle types. No ship has a bonus for strictly Titanium ammo hybrid turrets, or EM lasers. Giving the damage bonus to all missle types would give people a better reason to use other missle types then just kinetic most of the time. Originally by: Doomdutch Good ideas in general. But about your condor changes, what is it with the Caldari Ships and kinetic missile damage. Worst ship bonus ever! You handicap the ability to use different type of damage, which is one of the advantages of using missiles (the other one being the no-range factor). You don't see a minnmatar ships bonus that says 5% damage on EMP and Phased Plasma. Fix the bonus for the caracal, the crow and your planned change for the condor. Put anything else (and when I say anything else, I mean it); painting bonus, mwd, rof, shield bonus, hull bonus(!), ANYTHING ELSE!!!! But as I said, good ideas in general. Good Day DoomDutch
craptacular	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Derron Bel The Arb and Vexor are both drone cruisers. The vexor is not the top of the line of drone inclined race. You have lasers & armor, we have drones. Err, we used to. Originally by: Derron Bel The Vexor is (currently) superior in most every respect, though, so complaints --> pfft ;) Maller used to be superior to rax in most every respect, though, so complaints --> oops, it seems we're out of pfft ;)
BABARR	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:06:00 - [47] Hmmm -Maller going to be a overpowered ship, able to tank AND have good turrets. It's already a very good cruiser able to kill the thorax so if you boost it and nerf the thorax.... -And yes a bit more pwg on Moa can be good. (But very good idea to change the bonus) -For the EW cruiser... once again, caldari going to suck, all other can jam/damp AND tank AND make dmg whith drone but the blackbird... slow, can't have a decent tank, dont have drone...
Dimitri Forgroth	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:06:00 - [48] Some very nice changes in there. Don't be a bad loser \| DPS Spreadsheet
Garreck	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:09:00 - [49] Originally by: BABARR -Maller going to be a overpowered ship, able to tank AND have good turrets. It's already a very good cruiser able to kill the thorax so if you boost it and nerf the thorax.... Yep. This was predicted in that 16 page mess a couple weeks back. And the cycle of whine-and-nerf will continue, with the maller on the chopping block this time... Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
BABARR	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:10:00 - [50] Sry But once again whith the missile patch it more PWG needed on the Caldari ship, not CPU.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Hippey Okay seriously, what is it with the CCP obsession on the thorax? It's still going to be THE ship. a 150MW increase in power output?? ARE YOU CRAZY? The thing is gonna be able to armor tank even better then before! Who cares if it has half the drone space, it's gonna live twice as long. Seriously, the rax needs a nerf. No bonuses anywhere, straight up, NERF! Its damage got cut in half though. (Prolly more then half actually ) These changes 4tw ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:11:00 - [52] Awesome changes. Wish the Incursus was that awesome when I used to fly one! I just think that the Tristan should be reclassified as a missile boat, and the Amarr should get a new tech I chassis to act as the scout.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:12:00 - [53] Just want to add another voice for Executioner, think there wouldn't be a problem with giving her second mid slot... so she can actually tackle like the others if that's her intended role. ^^
Nafri	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:12:00 - [54] so no tech2 EW cruiers? Guess I have to train something else then matari from now, Target painters are completly useless compared to other EW. Feck, Im ****ed again. Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:12:00 - [55] Mining Bantam How about a bit more base cap? This is the only ship I know that with max skills has only 1 "spider leg" of cap. Gets an extra low slot CPU output increased to 150tf Navitas* * This should be the Gallente Scout ship. Leave the mining to the Imicus. Gets an extra med slot CPU output increased to 150tf Burst Never saw this ship before...just looked it up. Awesome with the changes! Gets an extra med slot CPU output increased to 140tf Tackling* Executioner Yeah, like everyone else has said, it needs 1-2 more midslots. Max velocity increased to 410m/s Condor* Wheee! New mass 1 150 000 kg Poweroutput increased to 25MW High slot added Max velocity increased to 375m/s Turret hardpoint changed to launcher hardpoint Existing bonuses replaced with 5% missile kinetic damage per level and 10% missile velocity per level Atron* Wheee! New Mass 1 100 000 kg Max velocity increased to 380m/s Targetting range bonus replaced with 10% bonus to small hybrids falloff per level Scout* All the Scout frigates get one of their bonuses replaced with 5% bonus to scan probe duration. Imicus How about changing the -60% mining laser cap use bonus too? Say perhaps, +1 drones controlled per level and a bit more drone bay? This should be the baby Vexor/mining ship, albiet, a drone miner, as you'd expect a Gallente mining ship to be. CPU output increased to 230tf Small hybrid damage bonus replaced with scout bonus The missile frigates, Inquisitor, Kestrel and Breacher have all lost their rate of fire bonus. Instead they get 5% damage per level to all missile damage types except for their race specific damage type where they get 10% per level. You forgot about the Tristan, it's the closest thing Gallente have for a missile boat. Punisher All I can say is..WOW. Baby Apoc anyone? Poweroutput increased to 45MW CPU output decreased to 115tf Capacitor capacity increased to 340 Cap recharge bonus replaced with 5% armor resistance per level Tristan* Nice overall, see remark on missile damage bonuses. Ditch the tracking bonus, give us that missle damage bonus. Poweroutput increased ot 38MW Max velocity increased to 260m/s Capacitor capacity increased to 280 Rifter* Very nice..Already a good ship, this just makes it more rounded. Poweroutput increased to 37MW Max velocity increased to 320m/s Max velocity bonus replaced with 10% accuracy falloff per level Kestrel* How about some powergrid here, bud? Stop shafting the poor ubernerfed Caldari pilots. With the tripled grid use of standard and rocket launchers, the kestrel got nerfed into oblivion. Max Velocity increased to 260m/s CPU output increased to 150tf Incursus* *Whoa...Gallente's best frig..just got better! Poweroutput increased to 34MW Max velocity increased to 300m/s CPU output decreased to 110tf Capacitor capacity increased to 260 Tracking bonus replaced with 10% accuracy falloff per level Comments are in-line.
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:13:00 - [56] Craptacular: The Arbitrator doesn't have lotsa lasers and armor, though - it has drones. And the Vexor outguns it and outtanks it, so a bit of a weird comparison to make . ****** The Maller changes are actually a little deeper than you might think- lowering the CPU and boosting the grid slightly nerfs the Small-Turret Setups. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Grimpak Quote: Vexor * Poweroutput increased to 675MW * CPU output decreased to 270tf boost drone bay here. Agreed. The Vexor is a drone platform, a small boost to drone bay would be in order.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:22:00 - [58] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Grimpak Quote: Vexor * Poweroutput increased to 675MW * CPU output decreased to 270tf boost drone bay here. Agreed. The Vexor is a drone platform, a small boost to drone bay would be in order. no, cause it shouldnt be able to use BS sized modules Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
Dimitri Forgroth	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:23:00 - [59] Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 15/09/2005 17:24:49 Seeing as the AF/inties and HACs inherit the bonuses of their tech 1 counterparts, will these bonuses be moved up? Or will they keep the old-style bonuses? Don't be a bad loser \| DPS Spreadsheet
craptacular	Posted - 2005.09.15 17:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Derron Bel Craptacular: The Arbitrator doesn't have lotsa lasers and armor, though - it has drones. And the Vexor outguns it and outtanks it, so a bit of a weird comparison to make . No, it's not that weird of a comparison. Again, we're supposed to excel at drones and you match our drone cruiser (at least on that point, though honestly both ships are real close). Originally by: Derron Bel The Maller changes are actually a little deeper than you might think- lowering the CPU and boosting the grid slightly nerfs the Small-Turret Setups. Right, that's a tremendous nerf. Come on. Do you really think a gimped brutix, err thorax, will break its tank now? Because that's what the new thorax is: a gimped brutix. How original.

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