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Arriaz
Mythic Heights
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:52:00 -
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Solanar wrote:20 minutes of spinning the camera around gives me a headache. No list is unusable. Also, the latest update has made it even more difficult to find what you want in systems with large amounts of anomalies. Find ZIJ-383! http://i.imgur.com/mmzDtRj.jpg
Please will someone explain to me how this makes the new players experience better. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
179
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:47:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:As seen at Fanfest!
It runs once automatically every time you enter a system (undocking, jumping, bridging, whatever) so that you can get a glimpse of what's out there to find.
That part sucks...I don't like automatic things if I want to see that stuff I'll hit the button. The rest? eh I'll go look when it gets closer to the launch day it just sounds like a fancy dumbed down version of what we have now. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
620
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:18:00 -
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Arriaz wrote:Solanar wrote:20 minutes of spinning the camera around gives me a headache. No list is unusable. Also, the latest update has made it even more difficult to find what you want in systems with large amounts of anomalies. Find ZIJ-383! http://i.imgur.com/mmzDtRj.jpg Please will someone explain to me how this makes the new players experience better. This.
I've spent time looking at the "new" system and quite frankly, it's not a good experience. If this was the only thing I had to base my in-game experience off of, I would look to other avenues of entertainment. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
blink alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:41:00 -
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I am not sure if I am going crazy but the scanner icons in space seems like they are better poistioned now. It seems like they are much better positioned in space so it is easier to tell which planet that sig is at. I really do like the distance being displayed next to the icon. If we could also get the signal strength without hovering I would be a happy camper. |
marVLs
155
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:25:00 -
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Anomalies should be visible in solar system map, no more problem with to much of them in on spot in straight line |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:13:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Anomalies should be visible in solar system map, no more problem with to much of them in on spot in straight line
Also they all should listed by default in the scanner results window, an eve ship with pod technology has all its systems linked, that is the rational behind pods ffs. |
Seth Asthereun
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:27:00 -
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Arriaz wrote:Solanar wrote:20 minutes of spinning the camera around gives me a headache. No list is unusable. Also, the latest update has made it even more difficult to find what you want in systems with large amounts of anomalies. Find ZIJ-383! http://i.imgur.com/mmzDtRj.jpg Please will someone explain to me how this makes the new players experience better.
this, don't remove the cosmic signature results on the scanner. they far more useful.
But i can see the problem where is the new feature that becomes useless as everyone will still use the old list. I suggest to link the 2 things. Double click on the list results will focus camera on the selected anomaly. this would be also an useful pvp tool.
As you removed dsp, i would be really glad if you can also show the cosmic signatures once you use the system scanner with a basic signal strength |
Jack Ogeko
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:00:00 -
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there are some psychiatric hospitals more normal then this changes |
Caljiav Ocanon
12
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:56:00 -
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Logged into Singularity today, the system scan was less intrusive which was nice.
Still don't like the fact I couldn't control something which I should have control over though. I want an off switch. Though I fly through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am aligned to a safespot and warping out. - Me 2013 |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
179
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Posted - 2013.05.19 04:01:00 -
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- I've noticed that a signature's actual position is not where the signature's icon is displayed, by up to 7 AU, so bravo: uncertainty in position achieved. It would be nice if the position of the signature in the sensor overlay changed as you scanned it down in the probing system, but I realize the two systems aren't connected yet. One strange thing though is, that the signature remains at one spot, no mater where you are in the system. Shouldn't scans from different points in-system have it bouncing around inside its field of uncertainty?
- You're still calling "Signature Strength" (or "Signature Size") by the confusing name "Signal Strength"... this term is already in use in the probing system, where it is the % to which you've scanned a signature. Please change this so you're not using the same term twice for different things.
- You're still displaying too few decimal places in your "Signal Strength" field. The actual strength goes out to 2 decimal places of precision. There's a host of tools already built which display to this precision (e.g. siggy, the wiki, swiftandbitter), you're just going to confuse newer players who are directed to these sites if you continue to only display one significant digit of precision. (7%, 3%, 2%, 1% should be 6.67%, 2.5%, 2.2%, and 1.25%)
Sorry for repeating myself, but you don't seem to be addressing these are important issues. Science Amongst the Stars: Project Compass http://truestories.eveonline.com/ideas/908-science-amongst-the-stars-project-compass |
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Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1040
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Posted - 2013.05.20 04:27:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:Arriaz wrote:Solanar wrote:20 minutes of spinning the camera around gives me a headache. No list is unusable. Also, the latest update has made it even more difficult to find what you want in systems with large amounts of anomalies. Find ZIJ-383! http://i.imgur.com/mmzDtRj.jpg Please will someone explain to me how this makes the new players experience better. This. I've spent time looking at the "new" system and quite frankly, it's not a good experience. If this was the only thing I had to base my in-game experience off of, I would look to other avenues of entertainment. TBH I was looking for a 4/10 DED complex today on SISI after about 5 systems I quit using the Discovery Scanner (sensor overlay) I would just warp to the next gate on my path, once I dropped gate cloak but before I started to warp I would launch probes and scan while I was in warp, during that time my launcher would reload the next 8 probes. If there were signatures is system I would scan it, if now the new no probe left behind let me jump into the next system without waiting to recover probes. It took me 6 seconds to scan each system this way, and there was no flipping the camera around looking for sigs. Now for the fruits of my effort, I found 10 unrated sites including a Serpentis Annex in a .4 system, 4 5/10 sites a dozen or so 3/10 sites, and after over scanning 70 systems not a single 4/10 site. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes |
Luminocity
The Dark Revenants PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
15
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:13:00 -
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The new less-spreadsheets focus CCP is taking to EVE needs more spreadsheets. Give us back the sortable list with data chew on within 3rd party applications |
Everlast Darkheart
Cold Moon Destruction. Transmission Lost
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:30:00 -
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Luminocity wrote:The new less-spreadsheets focus CCP is taking to EVE needs more spreadsheets. Give us back the sortable list with exportable (copy-paste) data for 3rd party applications
I agree!
Also, probably have been mentioned but cba to read through ever post so....
When you enter the system you have the system sigs on the sensor overlay, these sigs should per default be listed in the scanner result window. Then when you your scanning each and every sig I would like sensor overlay to actually reflect the sig list. Right now i can scan a sig to 100% and still not use the BM/warp to buttons on the tool tip on the sensor overlay. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
5997
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:37:00 -
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Hey everyone. Thanks to all of you for the feedback so far, we've been collecting it over the past week and using it to help prioritize our work here at the office.
I have a couple of updates for you all:
Firstly, as most of you will have noticed on SISI by now, the scanner sweep graphics have been refined significantly and are now more subtle. There are still some bugs with the area effect around signatures and those are being worked on now.
We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Seth Asthereun
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:42:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. Thanks to all of you for the feedback so far, we've been collecting it over the past week and using it to help prioritize our work here at the office.
I have a couple of updates for you all:
Firstly, as most of you will have noticed on SISI by now, the scanner sweep graphics have been refined significantly and are now more subtle. There are still some bugs with the area effect around signatures and those are being worked on now.
We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update.
nice changes, eager to test them on sisi |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1819
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:44:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update. Now this part sounds very good. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
620
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:44:00 -
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Excellent stuff! These are great changes, and I'm glad they were completed so quickly! Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
Space Wanderer
70
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:07:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
Good.
CCP Fozzie wrote:This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update.
Good.
If the same kind of ironing out the lack of usability were done for the customizable formation issues of the scanning interface I would say that the expansion would ship out in a usable state, interface-wise. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1869
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. Thanks to all of you for the feedback so far, we've been collecting it over the past week and using it to help prioritize our work here at the office.
I have a couple of updates for you all:
Firstly, as most of you will have noticed on SISI by now, the scanner sweep graphics have been refined significantly and are now more subtle. There are still some bugs with the area effect around signatures and those are being worked on now.
We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update. How about the list of Signatures? You have said the new scanner is supposed to replace the functionality of the Deep Space Probe. The DSP would give a list of signatures. Will the new scanner? If the new scanner does not list the sigs, then please retain the DSP. If you do neither, then you are removing functionality: There will be no easy way to monitor all the sigs in a solar system if it is a big solar system. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1474
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:57:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
Any chance the list can be populated from the initial sweep? You see them in the sky, but the list doesn't populate until you manually scan the system.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1751
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:17:00 -
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shouldn't all anomalies which already appear on the in-space scanner also in the system scanner list without the need to scan again?
I realize its a transition problem from the old to the new system but it would be cool if the sensor sweep would actually add the anomalies to the list. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
622
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:38:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:shouldn't all anomalies which already appear on the in-space scanner also in the system scanner list without the need to scan again?
I realize its a transition problem from the old to the new system but it would be cool if the sensor sweep would actually add the anomalies to the list. Having used and tested the "new" setup on Sisi, I must agree with Bienator.
I'm not particularily fond of the new system. Breaks more 'emergent gameplay' than it creates, imo. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
53
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:39:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. Thanks to all of you for the feedback so far, we've been collecting it over the past week and using it to help prioritize our work here at the office.
I have a couple of updates for you all:
Firstly, as most of you will have noticed on SISI by now, the scanner sweep graphics have been refined significantly and are now more subtle. There are still some bugs with the area effect around signatures and those are being worked on now.
We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update. Come on, CCP Fozzie can you make an off switch for this new sensor overlay. Please, pretty please. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5131
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:08:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface. What about signatures? It's important that people are able to see a list of signatures in the system and sort them by sensor strength, especially now that DSSP are being removed. Having to pan the camera around to find all of them does not replace this functionality. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
637
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:00:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
Any chance the list can be populated from the initial sweep? You see them in the sky, but the list doesn't populate until you manually scan the system.
This will be populated from the initial sweep (at least according to the last internal discussion about this). For the next patch this will very probably be missing and anomalies will not show up in the probe scanner window at all, but this will change with the following patches. Don't start a rebellion, if you cannot find your anomalies for 1-2 days. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock | Team Five 0 Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
118
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:12:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:This will be populated from the initial sweep (at least according to the last internal discussion about this). For the next patch this will very probably be missing and anomalies will not show up in the probe scanner window at all, but this will change with the following patches. Don't start a rebellion, if you cannot find your anomalies for 1-2 days. You are talking about SiSi patches, right? :notsure: |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
637
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:19:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:CCP Habakuk wrote:This will be populated from the initial sweep (at least according to the last internal discussion about this). For the next patch this will very probably be missing and anomalies will not show up in the probe scanner window at all, but this will change with the following patches. Don't start a rebellion, if you cannot find your anomalies for 1-2 days. You are talking about SiSi patches, right? :notsure: Yes, SiSi patches. :) CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Gridlock | Team Five 0 Bug reporting | Mass Testing |
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Lyorine
Probe Patrol Polarized.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:16:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:This will be populated from the initial sweep (at least according to the last internal discussion about this). For the next patch on Singularity this will very probably be missing and anomalies will not show up in the probe scanner window at all, but this will change with the following patches. Don't start a rebellion, if you cannot find your anomalies for 1-2 days. edit: Clarified the text, to avoid confusion.
Will the list be populated with the signatures and their base strength as well ?
The spread formation gives us the list and the overlay gives us the base strength, but there isn't a list with both that we can easily copy and paste around :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5132
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:41:00 -
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Lyorine wrote:Will the list be populated with the signatures and their base strength as well ? This needs to happen. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
65
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:34:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. Thanks to all of you for the feedback so far, we've been collecting it over the past week and using it to help prioritize our work here at the office.
I have a couple of updates for you all:
Firstly, as most of you will have noticed on SISI by now, the scanner sweep graphics have been refined significantly and are now more subtle. There are still some bugs with the area effect around signatures and those are being worked on now.
We've been receiving a lot of feedback that the scanner overlay does not do enough by itself to allow easy use in systems with a very large number of sites, especially clustered sites. We agree, which is why we are going to be keeping a list of anomalies available in the probe scanner window. Anomalies will be toggleable so that they don't clutter the list when you are searching for other things, but when toggled on you will get a complete list of all anoms active in the system, similarly to the old onboard scanner but using the new probe scanner interface.
This week CCP Frellicus has also completed implementation of the sensor overlay signatures updating as you probe them. The area effect will get smaller, the names and tooltips will update as you get closer and closer to pinpointing them with your probes. This functionality should be ready for testing with the next SISI update.
If the discovery scanner autorepeats and instantly relays new signatures people in wormholes will just be spinning their camera around 23/7. Please put in some sort of delay (for the scanner or the signatures) so wormhole residents aren't adversely affected. This is a huge hit to the time honored tradition of rolling statics to find PVP. |
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