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Chimiera
Sotken Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:02:00 -
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As you may of guessed by the topic im one of those old vets well passed 100 million sp ( not sure if i should laugth or cry ) any way i like to pvp how ever im not all that well off isk wise half of the problem being my clone costing more than my ship does half the time .
With the next expansion adding more free sp my clones will most likely be costing 45 million each and even more for players even older than me. i have the skills to fly the ships i want but it hardly seems worth it when one dicter bouble equels im f**ked
With full set of implants +4s im looking at 100 million isk if i die thats one hell of a death penalty. Clone cost need to be reduced or caped to a level were its not a detriment to pvp.
TL;DR clones cost to dam much if your a vet |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
649
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:03:00 -
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It works just fine, if anything they should increase clone costs. R Tape loading error |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
646
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:06:00 -
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So make an alt. Super cheap clone.
No one says you have to keep training your original toon. |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
882
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:06:00 -
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Why are you poor, and why are you wearing +4s to PvP in if you are poor? Oh god. |

mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
376
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:08:00 -
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100m isn't that harsh of a death penalty. That's 1-2 hours for a vet who has no good source of income, and damn near inconsequential for many 100m sp players. Honestly, I've played many "carebear" fantasy MMOs with harsher death penalties... |

Danbar Roth
No Tax Holdings
58
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:12:00 -
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If you have been playing long enough to get over 100mill sp and you cant afford to pay for your clones your not playing eve right! |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
391
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:18:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Why are you poor, and why are you wearing +4s to PvP in if you are poor?
This is an interesting point of view. Can't wait for the answer. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3833
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:20:00 -
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Has played long enough to get 100+mil sp, apparently hasnt played long enough to learn how to make isk.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Draqone an'Alreigh
EVE University Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:26:00 -
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He is probably so vet he never heard of jumpclones. take it easy on him guys. Inducing the proliferation of common sense throughout EVE Official forums since April 27th, 2013. |

ian papabear
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:27:00 -
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I am not known to be mean or rude, so sorry if I come off like so
you nor anyone should not be playing eve if you cant maintain a high sp char, assuming anyone is nearing the 100mill sp or above that means you have some pretty pricey skillbooks injected, if you can afford to makes these then you can afford to upgrade a clone, if you have been around long enough to have such a high sp char then you should know how to make isk, anyone like me, can easily make a plex a day, thats 30 plex in one month http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FJBdQUAO4 |

Chimiera
Sotken Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:27:00 -
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its called limited time to play or IRL things to do.
I do see every ones point about haveing 100mil sp and not haveing isk but my point is not about my personal income but the cost of clones for older players being more of a punishment for playing a long time than a reward.
Adding reduced clone costs based on faction standing for example would help. |

ian papabear
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:29:00 -
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Chimiera wrote:its called limited time to play or IRL things to do.
I do see every ones point about haveing 100mil sp and not haveing isk but my point is not about my personal income but the cost of clones for older players being more of a punishment for playing a long time than a reward.
Adding reduced clone costs based on faction standing for example would help.
sorry but you have no argument here,
im 21, FULL TIME college student, part time volunteer, soon to be police academy recruit so i have to dedicate time to excercise, and yet i can still make billions easy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FJBdQUAO4 |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1789
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:32:00 -
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Poasting in: "clone costs are too damn high" thread #7973428
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Yokai Mitsuhide
Smegnet Corp
4003
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:35:00 -
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Why not just get rid of clone cost? It doesn't really add to the game it just hinders people from doing anything risky if they don't have their clone updated. |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
884
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:37:00 -
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Chimiera wrote:punishment It's not a punishment, it's a risk. Your reward for taking that risk is your participation in enjoyable PvP activities. Oh god. |

Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:43:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Why not just get rid of clone cost? It doesn't really add to the game it just hinders people from doing anything risky if they don't have their clone updated.
Would an organisation look after your clones and supply the clones for free? Paying for clones isn't really that much of an issue, it's only when you get to the higher levels that it becomes an issue for some people. Of course if you die a lot then it's even more of an issue. |

Merouk Baas
640
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:51:00 -
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Sorry for the snark, but clone costs can be 0 for you, quite easily: just don't renew your clone after your first death, and voila 100+ million savings!!!
You lose 5 million SP's each death from ONE skill, and you only have a few skills that have that many SP's, so after you lose those you will lose a lot less than 5 million SP each death, making it better and better.
EDIT: On a more serious note, you lose 5% of the skillpoints not covered, so you also have the option of buying the 70 mil SP clone instead of the more expensive one, and then you only lose 1.5 mil SP / death. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2458
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:18:00 -
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I'm on the fence about it. I'm looking at 150-200 mil / clone w/ implants on average. That said, I'm also pretty good at not losing the pod. Does clone cost make me more risk adverse? Maybe a little. Does my clone cost break the bank? Not really... I wouldn't mind cheaper clones, but it's not THAT big a deal. Maybe if I was a more active PvPer... Were that the case I could see how clone costs could add up quick. ...but you have to figure if you're over 100 mil SP you know a trick or two about escape.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1925
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:43:00 -
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I completely agree with the OP; it's a pretty terrible game mechanic. To all you derpers who are calling him space-poor and bragging about your wallets, would your argument still stand if you had to pay six billion for a 90m-SP clone? Give me a break. It's obvious you draw the line somewhere, and your guiding factor is the amount of pods you lose on a regular basis. This guy might be losing five clones a day. Paying a third of a billion for something like this is completely nonsensical. It doesn't matter how cheap you find the costs; this is something that exists for the sake of interfering with pvp-oriented players' ability to do their thing, and the last thing this game needs is less pvp. Go mind some more Veldspar.
Then again, CCP has adjusted clone pricing before, so they might do it again. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |

Major Templar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:18:00 -
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They have kinda responded to this I guess by lowering the costs of clones on Sisi.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235781
I posted about it in there. It's about 30% decrease in all medical clone costs. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1929
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:23:00 -
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A step in the right direction but I'd go further.
How about bulk discounts for clones? Buy like ten clones and save 50% but you have to use them up within a month. Of course that's extra code so just lowering prices is simpler.
I really don't think a 100m-SP clone should cost more than 10 million ISK or so. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |

Zappity
Kurved Space
78
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:28:00 -
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Excellent. I don't understand the purpose of high medical clone costs. The only thing it achieves (apart from being an isk sink) is to discourage PvP. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
970
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:37:00 -
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just dont buy a new clone or buy a new clone and dont put implants in it.
to those saying "make it higher" its pretty high as it is, but as a 300m sp char when i get there i dont want to be paying billion or by then, trillions (lol) Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
CCP Hilmar CEO > "why am i sweating, why is this game doing this to me"
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
468
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:38:00 -
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This issue has come up several times in many different guises. I think the important thing that we all take from it is that podding your enemies is important. It balances the game and ads a level of tactical consideration that encourages combined arms fleets. And not just the occasional "hey grab that pod." But rather as common practice that is well worth devoting resources to.
Bubble the outgate and keep a couple of destroyers there and you will potentially double your ISK destroyed and efficiency scores. -áKick ass soundtrack and Eve Pewpew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvc4KljpRGI |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
2113
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:49:00 -
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Chimiera wrote:As you may of guessed by the topic im one of those old vets well passed 100 million sp ( not sure if i should laugth or cry ) any way i like to pvp how ever im not all that well off isk wise half of the problem being my clone costing more than my ship does half the time  . With the next expansion adding more free sp my clones will most likely be costing 45 million each and even more for players even older than me. i have the skills to fly the ships i want but it hardly seems worth it when one dicter bouble equels im f**ked With full set of implants +4s im looking at 100 million isk if i die  thats one hell of a death penalty. Clone cost need to be reduced or caped to a level were its not a detriment to pvp. TL;DR clones cost to dam much if your a vet
I agree on the TLDR, however, if you're between 92.5 and 120 mill SP a Tau clone costing 30 mill should suffice - moreover, last I checked a full +4 implant set should be ~100 mill, so total cost for a 92.5-120 mill clone with a full set should be around 145 mill in total.
However, this leaves the question why anyone would fly an 120 mill SP clone around in nullsec whilst having a full set of +4s plugged in. I'm just training useless skills to V out of boredom- my higher SP characters have all the skills I deem useful.
Using a full set of +4s in null and complaining about the cost at the same time? That's just dumb.
If any, you just use the two implants required for the skill you're training.
Having that said, I think clone cost should be flat.
If there's any SP adjustment, there should be a decrease in clone cost with higher SP - rewarding loyal subscribers is customary, whereas the extreme opposite curently is the case.
I can't see that changing as long as CCP see they're making money with it due to people making alts once clone costs reach unreasonable levels.
For PvP, I use a 1-year old 20 mill SP alt, because that's pretty much the sweetspot for cost-efficiency in eve's current balance. You know... morons. |

Yokai Mitsuhide
Smegnet Corp
4004
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:12:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Why not just get rid of clone cost? It doesn't really add to the game it just hinders people from doing anything risky if they don't have their clone updated. Would an organisation look after your clones and supply the clones for free? Paying for clones isn't really that much of an issue, it's only when you get to the higher levels that it becomes an issue for some people. Of course if you die a lot then it's even more of an issue.
But it doesn't really add anything to the game, it's really just a nuisance. Couldn't the Minmatar Republic pay for my clones for my race with the taxes NPC corpse get? |

iskflakes
442
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:28:00 -
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Clone costs are actually too low. They encourage the meaningless lolcruiser fleets where players get to be mediocre and irrelevant, but pretend that it's OK because they tell themselves "I'm having fun". The people they kill lose nothing, they lose nothing, nothing changes in the game -- totally pointless. If you enjoy that kind of gameplay you can go play call of duty and not have to put up with clone costs at all. EVE should be about consequences, and the idea that you can go and die and suffer none is out of line.
To the OP, you have many options: 1) Stop being poor 2) Sell your character and buy one with fewer skillpoints, and have plenty of money to play with 3) Buy the highest quality clone you can afford, and lose skillpoints until you reach its limits 4) Quit the game
Option 2 is only a temporary fix, because the skillpoints of your new character will go up and you are apparently incapable of making ISK despite it being thrown at your feet at every opportunity.
Options 1, 3 and 4 are long term solutions and are preferable. - |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1846
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:31:00 -
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Vets should know how to make ISK by now. /thread. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1937
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:36:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Clone costs are actually too low. They encourage the meaningless lolcruiser fleets where players get to be mediocre and irrelevant, but pretend that it's OK because they tell themselves "I'm having fun". The people they kill lose nothing, they lose nothing, nothing changes in the game -- totally pointless. If you enjoy that kind of gameplay you can go play call of duty and not have to put up with clone costs at all. EVE should be about consequences, and the idea that you can go and die and suffer none is out of line.
To the OP, you have many options: 1) Stop being poor 2) Sell your character and buy one with fewer skillpoints, and have plenty of money to play with 3) Buy the highest quality clone you can afford, and lose skillpoints until you reach its limits 4) Quit the game
Option 2 is only a temporary fix, because the skillpoints of your new character will go up and you are apparently incapable of making ISK despite it being thrown at your feet at every opportunity.
Options 1, 3 and 4 are long term solutions and are preferable. So a player who doesn't spend his time mindlessly grinding missions in high-sec and instead chooses to provide content for other players by actively seeking to get shot should quit the game because he spends most of his time flying cruisers in null and not enough time making ISK to buy bigger pvp ships that he would actually use once every blue moon.
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |

Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:41:00 -
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Chimiera wrote:As you may of guessed by the topic im one of those old vets well passed 100 million sp ( not sure if i should laugth or cry ) any way i like to pvp how ever im not all that well off isk wise half of the problem being my clone costing more than my ship does half the time  . With the next expansion adding more free sp my clones will most likely be costing 45 million each and even more for players even older than me. i have the skills to fly the ships i want but it hardly seems worth it when one dicter bouble equels im f**ked With full set of implants +4s im looking at 100 million isk if i die  thats one hell of a death penalty. Clone cost need to be reduced or caped to a level were its not a detriment to pvp. TL;DR clones cost to dam much if your a vet
How far you want to train your main is a decision you make. Can he already fly all the ships you want him to fly? STOP TRAINING. Use another slot for another useful char, maybe some hyper-specialised one (cap-pilot, dedicated frigate pilot, etc.).
If you really lack sth nice to train for your main, why are you still training him? If you actually WANT more skills for your main ... then you are actually building one beast of a brain. All that data needs to be transmitted when you die. Pay for it then, apparently you really need those SP for some reason. |
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