So a player who doesn't spend his time mindlessly grinding missions in high-sec and instead chooses to provide content for other players by actively seeking to get shot should quit the game because he spends most of his time flying cruisers in null and not enough time making ISK to buy bigger pvp ships that he would actually use once every blue moon.

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

Who said anything about grinding missions in highsec? Why would you only use bigger ships once in a blue moon?

Vets should know how to make ISK by now. /thread.

But it doesn't really add anything to the game, it's really just a nuisance. Couldn't the Minmatar Republic pay for my clones for my race with the taxes NPC corpse get?

To take this conversation in somewhere I personally haven't seen it go before, what about giving sov 0.0 the ability to have a discount to clone costs similar to in lowsec FW? Podding is much more likely in null anyways thanks to bubbles, and an infrastructure upgrade to reduce clone costs really makes sense in the player-run, empire-building nature of 0.0

Ok for the sake of the argument for the bitter vet, why not have discount clones at the bitter vet starbase? He spend a lot of time building up a character so he should be rewarded for his dedication to the game.

Clone cost need to be reduced or caped to a level were its not a detriment to pvp.

It's a fair point about implants, but we're not complaining about implants here. If a person chooses to fly a frigate in 0.0 with +4s in his head, that's entirely on his conscience. Paying fifty million for a new clone is absurd though.

Wearing expensive implants is a choice. A decision that carries benefits and liabilities.

Skilling up a PvP character to a point that is difficult to pay for is a choice. A decision that has benefits and liabilities.

If your clones are too expensive then just use the free alpha clone for a while, you will save billions.

I think clone costs scale pretty well. As your SP increases, it should get easier for you to make money.

By the time you hit 100 mil SP, you should have more than enough money to pod yourself several times a day for a year.

Once again, just because you're space-rich, doesn't mean other people are, even if they've been playing for a long time. A player shouldn't be punished for having lots of skill points. I'm not saying he should be rewarded either, just that he shouldn't be punished.

For the love of everything nice, why would you force a player who only wants to pvp into grinding extra cash to pay NPCs for the privilege? They make up such a tiny percentage of the population as it is already, so why are you so adamant on not stopping to drive them away entirely? Can you simply not stomach the idea of pvp in EVE?

For the love of everything nice, why would you force a player who only wants to pvp into grinding extra cash to pay NPCs for the privilege?

For a while I thought that you were an alt of someone who is metagaming this issue. Now I just think that you don't understand.

"Eve pvp will die and no one will dare to fight anymore if clones remain expensive. Subscribers will be lost and the servers will close! oh noes!!!"

I have made many mistakes while playing Eve, and lost a lot of ISK because of them. I have played very conservatively and lost a lot of ISK because of that. Those choices all have benefits and liabilities.

The game is as advertised, to come here whining about how unfair and difficult it is after playing for 100million skill points is just bizarre. What game did you think that you were playing?

I think clone costs scale pretty well. As your SP increases, it should get easier for you to make money.

By the time you hit 100 mil SP, you should have more than enough money to pod yourself several times a day for a year.

Isn't this one of the few things in EVE that actually makes money vanish, I think we need more things like that, I hope they don't make it so that one day players can produce and sell clones, otherwise we are just printing money forever from rat bounties

Kid, you have four credits in debate from the University of Phoenix Online or something? I never said any of those things, so don't make a quote and attribute it to me. It's crass.

How many times do I have to repeat myself that not everyone, even among 100m SP+ pilots, flies big expensive ships into combat? Do you genuinely not understand why having an NPC entity charge someone 45 million iSK for the privilege of having some frigate fun in 0.0 is a bad idea?

So make an alt. Super cheap clone.

No one says you have to keep training your original toon.

I don't care if you fight in a frigate or not. I hope that you don't actually.

You and all those like you have made a monumental mistake. You have skilled a combat pilot to a point that is uncomfortable to pay for. That is a weakness and a failure on your part. And now you want it to go away.

If you just want some easy money good fights then start a new char and join R-V-B or Brave Newbies, have all the fights that you want for short money.

Clone costs are actually too low. They encourage the meaningless lolcruiser fleets where players get to be mediocre and irrelevant, but pretend that it's OK because they tell themselves "I'm having fun". The people they kill lose nothing, they lose nothing, nothing changes in the game -- totally pointless. If you enjoy that kind of gameplay you can go play call of duty and not have to put up with clone costs at all. EVE should be about consequences, and the idea that you can go and die and suffer none is out of line.

To the OP, you have many options:
1) Stop being poor
2) Sell your character and buy one with fewer skillpoints, and have plenty of money to play with
3) Buy the highest quality clone you can afford, and lose skillpoints until you reach its limits
4) Quit the game

Option 2 is only a temporary fix, because the skillpoints of your new character will go up and you are apparently incapable of making ISK despite it being thrown at your feet at every opportunity.

Options 1, 3 and 4 are long term solutions and are preferable.