1) (similar to new ship cost) it makes you TRY to safe your ass when in trouble instead of "f... it, i have another clone". In other games respawning makes you wait some time/until round finished. In Eve Online - it's ISK factor.
2) SP collecting. This is just another factor you HAVE to have in mind when your game is "COLLECT AS MANY SP AS I CAN". Many people say they WILL do PvP when "they have enough SP". Well, they can wait but then they WILL meet medical clone cost. At this point we have new excuse "the only thing why i don't do PvP"

i really think it's obvious

30% reduction sounds nice.

And once again someone advocates saving money on clones by locking yourself out of a whole subset of available ships.
..edited out snarky comment....

I'm gonna go ahead and say that you're trying to play devil's advocate here, but you're not very good at it. Your arguments consist of advocating something that's entirely impossible and regurgitated statements made by people who by and large have already been defeated.

When I lose my pod, I'm more worried about the billions of implants than the clone cost.

You can't seriously come and complain about 50 million ISK clone costs and then brag about how you PvP in a billion ISK implant set.

Because I can't support an important cause if it doesn't affect me, right?

It only looks that way because you are tired and probably a little buzzed. After you sleep a bit and get back into Eve the cold hard reality of your poorly built combat character and the consequences of that build will still be there.

This thread will end like all the others before it; with cries of 'thats not fair!" and "its bad for Eve!" and "I didn't want to play your stupid game anyway!"

I have said all along that you do not understand the issue. It doesn't surprise me that you personally are not affected by it.

there are some useless FC's out there who should wear the cost of some of my 150m SP clones

you know who you are

so my main is now byes byes in hs all warm and cuddly

Well.... this is actually a good point. If you have an expensive clone then you might not want to always PVP with it. Lots of fleet fights are so big that the FC doesn't even know everyone in their fleet, let alone how many skill points they have or which implants or how much money they have in their wallets.

Saving an individual's expensive clone just might not be the biggest goal of that fleet. In fact, depending on orders, winning the fight might not even be the biggest goal of that fleet.

Quite honestly, there really is no reason why you cant make a sufficient amount of ISK in game to cover these expenses. You have the skill points so use them! There are plenty of money making opportunities in game from lvl4s and 5s to incursions and even scamming ^.^ The point here is that I was a music major in college full time. Which meant I spent 8am-5pm in class, 6-9pm practicing and the rest of the night was homework...yet I still found time to play the game enough to make money, keeping in mind my toon is only 41 mil SP. If I had the SP you do hell i could make loads more.

Why must they be punished for having more SP?
That's a question none of you supporters have answered.

actions and consequences, and all that.

Quite honestly, there really is no reason why you cant make a sufficient amount of ISK in game to cover these expenses. You have the skill points so use them! There are plenty of money making opportunities in game from lvl4s and 5s to incursions and even scamming ^.^ The point here is that I was a music major in college full time. Which meant I spent 8am-5pm in class, 6-9pm practicing and the rest of the night was homework...yet I still found time to play the game enough to make money, keeping in mind my toon is only 41 mil SP. If I had the SP you do hell i could make loads more.

I was a music major in college full time.

Character development is a long term game that is part of Eve. Some people choose train everything on one character. That has great benefits in terms of versatility, logistics, and time spent moving between characters. The only drawback that style has is really clone costs.

Other people have played the game for years and used all three characters on their accounts. They had to train basic skills on all three chars, and have a much trickier logistics problem to deal with. The benefit to this type of account is that you can keep your combat characters in hot spots and leave the farmers in their mines or fields or whatever.

Both strategies are good, they each have advantages and disadvantages. I think option #1 is a bit more popular because it is simpler and the main drawback is clone cost. Which has been significantly reduced over the years by inflation. In fact I wonder if the rate of inflation was accounted for when they choose a slightly accelerating curve for those costs.

At any rate if the clone cost drawback is removed then the game has been simplified. Another option for strategy and implementation has been lost. I like the complicated long game, it is part of what makes Eve interesting.

And for people like myself who maintain separate chars and come to these threads to enjoy the tears it would be very unfair if clone costs were reduced. I might have to stop playing Eve and go to highsec and cancl my alt subs, yeah I would throw a batshit crazy hissy fit and invite all the other people who were in the same boat, we would whine and cry and complain until we got something that we want.

Or maybe not. I guess I would just keep playing.

I'm asking for a logical justification, not buzzwords and rhetoric.

Meh... clone costs are part of doing business. An uber skilled character can do a LOT and there SHOULD be a price involved for enjoying that benefit. Nobody should get front row seats for pocket change.

And frankly, if he's space poor in this game, it's not the clone costs that are causing that....

But ok.... He does have another option..... just don't upgrade it and pay in skill points instead of ISK. Eventually it will reduce the costs of his clones down to a level that he feels more comfortable paying.

I just don't think he should have it both ways ... He wants to fly an uber skilled character in PVP and then he tells us that if he does get podded then he want's it to not hurt?

Really. QQ no way.

Vets know, but how is that a valid point?

How exatcy is knowing your way around a culpable act?

well lets be rational , if you been playing for many years and reached ter100 mil sp long time ago and you still can not afford the clone upgrade costs , you must have done something wrong

well lets be rational , if you been playing for many years and reached ter100 mil sp long time ago and you still can not afford the clone upgrade costs , you must have done something wrong

The "using all three character slots" thing only delays the inevitable, bro. What are you going to tell us next? To get more accounts?

But at least you follow your own advice, eh? I want to say I'm surprised to see a CVA guy split his training time equally across all his characters, but I'd be a massive liar.

well lets be rational , if you been playing for many years and reached ter100 mil sp long time ago and you still can not afford the clone upgrade costs , you must have done something wrong

Quite honestly, there really is no reason why you cant make a sufficient amount of ISK in game to cover these expenses. You have the skill points so use them! There are plenty of money making opportunities in game from lvl4s and 5s to incursions and even scamming ^.^ The point here is that I was a music major in college full time. Which meant I spent 8am-5pm in class, 6-9pm practicing and the rest of the night was homework...yet I still found time to play the game enough to make money, keeping in mind my toon is only 41 mil SP. If I had the SP you do hell i could make loads more.

Not really.

It's not like there's a "Isk Printing Level 5" skill.

You still have to either go out and rat, or sit in a market playing the 1 cent game, or PI or what have you.

After about 10 million sp you have all the same money-making options as a player with 150 million sp, the difference being they can fly all 4 races and you can fly 1 race.