or you could shift drag one on the launcher... might be less wasteful.

or you could shift drag one on the launcher... might be less wasteful.

Sounds an awfully lot like a bug that they couldn't fix and decided to leave in =P

Our corporation lives in a WH. We have several casual players who prefer to mine roids than partake in the more lucrative aspects of WH life. That has always been fine with us, as we're more a social entity rather than a hardcore corp - so we take all comers who fit into our eclectic culture. This change to grav sites to regular anoms is going to make WH mining untenable as we do not have local to alert people mining to a possible threat - cloaky t3s (the mainstay of WH exploration) will be able to warp in and gank our miners without any realistic chance of detection. We will lose members and any chance of the industrial benefits they bring.

Yes, we can focus more on our WH specific operations, but losing the members we have counted amongst our friends is not something I can let pass without comment. It seems to me that in an effort to hurt mining botters you are also hurting the most hardcore, risk-taking miners in the game - this is a nerf to the high-end caliber miners and needs to be reconsidered.

Please reconsider making WH grav sites into anoms.

According to the test server thread, the reason for probe formations being initially placed at the sun is to prevent on-grid combat probing from becoming too fast.

Which is a case of poor design leading to workaround solutions.

I really wonder if the consequences of launching all probes immediately were considered. It reduces the exposure time of covert ops probers, making them even harder to detect or catch.

If the problem with probe launching was the need for repeated keypresses, why not simply make the module behave like every other module, and have a setting for auto-repeat? One keypress would then cycle until the launcher is empty, but without any side effects, and everyone would have the choice to launch individual probes.

According to the test server thread, the reason for probe formations being initially placed at the sun is to prevent on-grid combat probing from becoming too fast.

Our corporation lives in a WH. We have several casual players who prefer to mine roids than partake in the more lucrative aspects of WH life. That has always been fine with us, as we're more a social entity rather than a hardcore corp - so we take all comers who fit into our eclectic culture. This change to grav sites to regular anoms is going to make WH mining untenable as we do not have local to alert people mining to a possible threat - cloaky t3s (the mainstay of WH exploration) will be able to warp in and gank our miners without any realistic chance of detection. We will lose members and any chance of the industrial benefits they bring.

Yes, we can focus more on our WH specific operations, but losing the members we have counted amongst our friends is not something I can let pass without comment. It seems to me that in an effort to hurt mining botters you are also hurting the most hardcore, risk-taking miners in the game - this is a nerf to the high-end caliber miners and needs to be reconsidered.

Please reconsider making WH grav sites into anoms.

Edit: also, is anyone else worried that the reintroduction of faction towers means that the POS revamp is going to be delayed even further?

It was delayed indefinitely before the last CSM summit. How much more delayed can it be?

But you are right in a way, the more they do with the current POS the less likely they will actually be in a hurry to bear down and do the hard work of the POS revamp.

But given the trameframes talked about I don't know what else they can do. They need to find a way to make this work, develop it in tandem with maintain the current system.

IMHO, we need to keep up the feedback letting them know this revamped modular POS is something we want, and not fight the short term fixes for the existing POSes.

Current time to launch 5 probes needed to scan on-grid ship: 10 seconds
+ another 5 sec to position probes on grid
+ another 5 sec to scan (w/ level 5 acquisition)
~ =20 seconds

Odysey time to launch 5 probes: 0 seconds
+ another ~5 to move probes to grid
+ another 5 sec to scan (or less if you equipt the new med slot module)
~ <10 seconds

gg ccp

or you could shift drag one on the launcher... might be less wasteful.

Taking this further, I would suggest/request that all non-Hisec Grav sites remain as cosmic signatures, and that only the Hisec Grav sites become cosmic anomalies. Even in Hisec, I still think Grav signatures would be useful for the rarer varieties: occasionally it is possible to find a lowsec-ore Grav site in Hisec. These should remain as cosmic signatures and be more difficult to locate.

Probes need to expire. Pilots need to be responsible for their stuff. I was on board with the changes until this step towards "Eve is Very Easy".

Nope.

or you could shift drag one on the launcher... might be less wasteful.

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Oh and before the CCP fanboys cry "Only angry people respond", There have been times where CCP does stuff we actually want and like that is well thought out. Those threads are almost exclusively positive.
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Compare this thread to the one for the UI changes:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=241613

I agree. I hate it when I forget and let probes expire. However it does mean that I have to be responsible for my equipment and pay attention. There should be consequences for when I fail.

Just leave all grav sites as sigs. Hisec mining certainly doesn't need any help and with the Easy Button being applied to scanning, the grav sites will be easy enough to find for the miners that want to bother.

Now , if CCP's ultimate goal is to get rid of all the static asteroid belts, it would be nice for them to let us know now before we devote more training time and resources into deadend endeavors.

some neat changes don't know if this has been answered but ore sites under the other new changes are going to be scan able with out probes so does this mean there are still going to be ore sites that need to be probed and if so whats the difference between them

We'd rather have the challenge provided by other players than by us.

...Odyssey, offers new tools for exploring the stars...challenges you to breach the unknown...A re-imagined scanning system, intuitive navigation ...

As part of the work Team Five-0 is doing, Ore sites (aka Gravimetric sites) are being made Cosmic Anomalies instead of Cosmic Signatures, meaning you no longer need probes to find them.