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Tyme Xandr
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:20:00 -
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So after reading through page after page of either rejoice or tears/horror I decided maybe it was time for an intelligent post that can maybe spark some intelligent conversation.
Facts: Tier 3 BC Large Weapon Systems Low Ability to Tank
Intelligent Assumptions (if those things exist)
Due to this ship being able to fit Large Weapons it could naturally be assumed that since they are not a battleship they wont be able to fit a whole rack. Lets presume 4-5 weapon slots with 2-3 maybe 4 utility slots. This would keep the need for Battleship's as they can hold full racks of large weapons. Ex: Tornado can fit 4 or 5 800's, use the utilities for neuts. Caldaris can fit 4-5 torps, the rest can be neuts or spider shield mods.
Their bonus will be towards fitting, much like Stealth Bombers have bonuses to allow Torps to be equipped despite their fitting ability. Example: 69.65% reduction in Large Projectile Weapon systems powergrid needs. (I made that number from thin air as I dont assume itll be like SB's 99.65% reduction.
Low tank ability makes me think they will have reduced low/mid slots. This will diminish the ability of Armor tankers to fit tracking/dmg mods and shield tankers diminished ability to shield tank/tackle. They will pick one or the other or try to even out between the two making them only somewhat average in both respects.
So this appears to sound like a pretty balanced ship that wont be the WTF pwnmobile. Theyre still large weapons which means smaller sig ships/faster ships can outrun siege missiles and waver away from tracking of large guns. The ships wont be overtanked as they will have lowered tanking ability (RP element of using more space/systems/power for large weapons). |
Raneru
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:21:00 -
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This is the first new addition for a long time that I've been excited to try out. Sounds awesome! |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:22:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I love it!!!!
Please have the Caldari one be Missiles. Please!
GOD NO!
Fast Fleets need insta damage --- buy the time anything 'missile' related is shot the target will be popped.
And I say this even with having deficient gunner skills :( |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:37:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Does anyone else see these new BCs getting eaten up by swarms of smaller ships?
"Captain! Tordado sighted dead ahead!"
"Send in the assault frigates!"
Short answer: Yes! |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:51:00 -
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Please CCP! Give those ships their own class!
they are not Battlecruisers! battlecruisers are ships with 5-7 medium guns! |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:00:00 -
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Wow, first Hilmar coming totally clean, and now CCP actually using a fanart contest ship model, it's almost like you're listening to your customers again. You guys are scaring me! :) In a good way.
Keep up the excellent work, CCP!
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Relicc
Aideron Robotics
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:04:00 -
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I said, hell yeaaa |
Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:39:00 -
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Can you say Primary target?
this is ship that should work.
Now this opens up a possible Destroyer that goes by the same theme
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
321
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Posted - 2011.10.22 01:40:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:Can you say Primary target?
this is ship that should work.
Now this opens up a possible Destroyer that goes by the same theme
Why not just do this to the existing destroyers and make them useful? |
Gobann Muraco
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2011.10.22 02:42:00 -
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One potential gankship is enough for now! |
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:11:00 -
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More caek for dumbing down the game.
Seriously another BC? Why should anyone train HACs or Commands?
Tech III cruisers and now these. Are you going to buff HACs and Command ships to compensate? |
Augin Soric
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:29:00 -
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I don't care if it turns out to perform like crap in a can, that design is way too cool to not want to fly. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:31:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:More caek for dumbing down the game. Seriously another BC? Why should anyone train HACs or Commands? Tech III cruisers and now these. Are you going to buff HACs and Command ships to compensate?
If they make them as stated, agile yet poorly tanked large gun platforms, they should end up fearing HAC's. field commands may be another story, but they will still have a tracking advantage.
Infact it hardly seems like dumbing of anything. These, if done right, will need to be very target selective. |
Grady Eltoren
Aviation Professionals for EVE
3
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Posted - 2011.10.22 03:41:00 -
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Hail to the king baby!
Oh and I ...
ji##ed in my pants.
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.22 04:11:00 -
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omg, after this, who needs p*rn? |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.22 04:16:00 -
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Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Does anyone else see these new BCs getting eaten up by swarms of smaller ships?
"Captain! Tornado sighted dead ahead!"
"Send in the assault frigates!" Short answer: Yes!
as BCA's resident Frigate Goddess, i can get behind that tactic!
still... i'd *almost* hate to kill it! that thing is sexy as hell!
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 04:23:00 -
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Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I love it!!!!
Please have the Caldari one be Missiles. Please! GOD NO! Fast Fleets need insta damage --- buy the time anything 'missile' related is shot the target will be popped. And I say this even with having deficient gunner skills :( Yes because Drakes are not popular as Fleet Ships.
Cruise Missiles move at the exact same speed as Heavy Missiles.
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Imawuss
Black Ice Protectorate The Imperial Senate
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Posted - 2011.10.22 04:58:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Mekhana wrote:CCP please make the Gallente ship of this new BC line worth flying. We really need some love. The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one
So i will be really sad when it just sits in my hangar because Hybrids are utter crap. No tank on a blaster boat...... yah see how that works out for yah. Railguns on anything for pvp...... Perhaps i could open up a dent repair shop and advertise to everyone that pops me.
Unless its a drone boat of sorts it will be sub-par, but the Myrmidon already has that covered. (Funny that ships works better with autocannons...) |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest THE D0MINION
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Posted - 2011.10.22 05:12:00 -
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Off to train minnie bc, then. |
RC Denton
Wages Of Sin
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Posted - 2011.10.22 05:20:00 -
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Looks Awesome! Sounds Awesome! Gonna be Awesome!
In before it gets nerfed |
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Szilardis
Cryogenic Creations
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 05:31:00 -
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Chevalleis wrote:Off to train minnie bc, then.
Confirming racial BC skills exist. |
Mirta Vanderkill
AfterMath. Broken Toys
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Posted - 2011.10.22 05:40:00 -
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What would be really amazing is if they had a rack of 8, but could only fire in a 180 degree arc in front of the ship.
Said another way, make it so a fleet of these will have to be flying directly TOWARDS their target to hit. |
Alundil
The Unnamed. Novum Militis ExParte
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Posted - 2011.10.22 06:01:00 -
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Jarin Arenos wrote:I know the similarity has been pointed out, but putting them side by side... Well, let's just say that the MInmatar seem to have a new trade agreement with the Gallente. Tornado design comparison
Nice comparison....brings to mind:
"Minmatar, flying them backwards since forever" |
Venkul Mul
Vikramaditya
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:35:00 -
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Shadowsword wrote:Able to fit L guns but not enough pg for L repair stuff, I suppose that means a cruiser-like powergrid with a role bonus to weapon powergrid. And fast cap recharge, or the amarr one will run dry fast.
Sound very nice, BS-like dps and range without massive plating or active tanking. But I wonder if they really have a place in the present meta-gaming. Against another BC gang built around Hurricanes/Drakes, L weapon tracking might be too much of a problem to be compensated by a bit more dps. Against the current Abbadon blobs, the BS's buffer tank would give them an overwhelming advantage.
We'll need to do some math once the stats are known, I suppose. But I predict the shield-based ones (and Tornado in particualr) will be overpowered because the very low PG requirement of large sheld extenders and autocanons will still allow them to have a respectable passive buffer.
If it is cheap enough, he will be a perfect tool for suicide ganking. A lot of DPS against largish sized targets, no need for any tank. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:37:00 -
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So, what I'm hearing is: BC Tank + BB Firepower = Pocket Battleship!
Gank On! (at an affordable price)
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Raw Matters
KRAUTZ RULEZ KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:48:00 -
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Now CCP just needs to get the price right on this thing, with all the T2 components being shot by Goons and others, and I am happy.
I know why I've chosen Minmatar... 'cause OVERSIZED GUNS FIT ON MY BATTLECRUISER!! *mharhar* |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
804
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Posted - 2011.10.22 09:03:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:So, what I'm hearing is: BC Tank + BB Firepower = Pocket Battleship! I sure hope not, since that would mean that we don't get any net additions of ships to the gameGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.10.22 10:02:00 -
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The Tornado, while massively cool, will mean the definitive end for battleships in 0.0 fleet warfare. Burn out of enemy range and spew 1400mm Howitzer II -love on the enemy. [IMG]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/nattravn/EVE/draakhchimeranaglfar.png[/IMG] |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 10:05:00 -
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So... Wait, what?!?
Rather than sliding it neatly into the Battleship line-up as a second Tier 3 with E-War effects or making it a Minmatar/Caldari Faction ship along the Pirate faction ship lines it's going into a class which is already perceived as containing several redundant ships...
Not only that but it's going to fit BS sized weapons (which IIRC was one of the more frequently raised arguments for nerfing the Myrmidon down to 75Mb of Bandwidth and therefore damage roughly equivalent to a Vexor) which will allow Alpha strike doctrines (already the most boring type of combat) for significantly lower cost and with significantly higher agility.
It's not like Tier 3 BS are inaccessible or rare, so exposure wouldn't be an issue... |
bldyannoyed
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.10.22 10:30:00 -
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Can't wait.
Lets be realistic though, as long as CCp aren't going completely bonkers mental these things AREN'T going to be the BC obsoleting solo pwnmachines every seems to be scared of. Their tank and DPS output isn't even really the issue.
As long as these things have zero drone bay (meaning the Gallente one will ofc have to be hybrid based) and zero utility high slots the ships will, moreso than any other sub capital in the game, be entirely reliant on a support fleet. With no drones or utilities they would have next to no hope against cruisers and smaller.
In this context they can have the same tank as a current BC and the same dps output of a BS and still not be solo boats. I don't think for a moment they will have either of those things but it doesn't matter as long as CCP make sure they cannot defend themselves against smaller (cruiser sized) vessels. |
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