Caldari Naga- Official

Amarr Oracle- Official

I doubt those are "official" at all. Wheres your proof?

I do however believe the Amarr Oracle since it was the second contest winner and it makes sense while also looking cool. The Caldari one is one I voted for but I will be surprised if that one is really the winner for this. That would look rather odd as a Battlecruiser as it is clearly meant to be very large.

Edit: On second thought...if they did shrink that down a bit those sides would be awesome for oversized gun platforms so long as said guns looked really huge on them.

What you need to consider is this: will these ships have enough tank to give logi's the time to even rep them?

Consider this, a 15-man fleet of these new ships runs up against a 15-man fleet of drakes or hurricanes. Sure, the new tier 3 ships may have a ton more DPS, but even if there are equal logi's on both sides, can the tier 3 fleet drop the the canes or hurricanes sufficently faster? Also, if they have even only 70% of the current BC tank (lets just say around 50k EHP), will a 15-man fleet alpha from canes/drakes be too much for them to handle?

I believe the new tier 3 BCs will function somewhat like the tier 3 BSs. Take for example, a maelstrom. It does great damage and a sturdier shield tank than the tier 2 BS, but its slow, has little room for eWAR and a slow lock time. I imagine that the tornado will match a cane in slots(maybe 1 less low), and the powergrid will be set up in a way so that 1 powergrid mod lets you upgrade from 650s to 800s or so, or lets you use another LSE, etc. To be honest, I don't expect that 1400s will fit on the tornado. But the key to the tornado being balanced is that its advantages need to be severely diminished if the ship is flown with a heavy tank.

tornado needs a nerf , 840dps ac with 60km falloff easy to hit even frigs ... or just fit arties and do nearly tempest alpha for half the hull price... is this supposed to be a joke? becuse it is not funny,
i bet tempest fleets will be changed into tornado fleets cheaper faster and capstable with mwd on ... so imbalanced
also they will do the job better due to tracking bonus and faster lock and speed

Actually there's no reason to fly something else in fleets or gangs. Let's see what's the next they will nerf (more) and witch buff they will add to this one.

Ya no fear. There going to buff Hybirds some more so that means Winmatar weapons will probly get better again. I am also looking forward to the buff to the Naga mybe there will be some kind of other buff for amarr hidden in that one so they can keep up with Winmatar.


O wait I know mybe there going to add a target painting bounce to Tornado next and turn the Naga in to a Hybird ship with no missiles.

At least it sounds like something CCP would do.

it is good to see tornado able to fit 2 large shield extenders besides 800mm t2 ac-s +mwd.... it is so paper...

also love how with guns only fitted have more spare cpu than the nage siege missiles only fitted.... oh and have the best 5/4 medlow slot layout which is much less cpu intensive as the nagas 6/3
btw why tracking comps are so crap compared to tracking enhacers???
it needs cap , +20cpu to fit which is huge , and you have to activate it too , crappy it should give more optimal and tracking

the best part is siege missile l needs a little more pg than 800mm ac to fit on them... wtf.... who the hell calls that balance?

It's the Winmatar flow. So just go with the flow.

yes but it is for 3 years by now , kinda gets booring

yes but it is for 3 years by now , kinda gets booring

So how to balance this ship?

I would remove falloff bonus , changed it to something not weapon related.
And would make it able to use ac-s only , no fitting bonuses for arties.

Actually is take off a middle slot or low one (less tank or less dps mods) because it tanks too good and (hp and speed) has the best dmg projection/application of all 4 atm

If this means a problem because of same number of slots than other BC's have, it's clearly the guns that are in need of nerf stick, change the dmg/rof/falloff whatever bonus

Hi, I see that new t3 battle cruisers are really easy to fit. The only one that has some difficulty to fit is the Naga, but compared to other ships specially battle ships those ships have a lot of power ( 95% reduction at bs guns has as result guns that need less power that cruiser guns, and t3 bc power is similar as t2 battle cruisers)
Tornado and oracle are really easy to fit, as easy that I can see this in some forums:

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[Oracle, armour]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

41km optimal, 450dps with scorch, 650dps with conflag, 70k EHP.




[Tornado, loool]
Reactor Control Unit II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


900dps with Hail, 800 with RF EMP, 600 with barrage and 75km fall off.... @ 4.3km/s - Yes, it's 29 seconds of align time but you accelerate to 1.5kms faster than you do if you only had a 10mn MWD so v0v. )))

An Oracle with 70k EHP !! That is more that many t2 bc that are supposed to have more ehp, and this oracle has mwd. Harbis and prophecy = trash compared with this oracle
I have seen at you tube a video at the sisi server which had an oracle with 8 mega beam lasers, with active tank, afterburner, and cap booster and with any module to increase power ,
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-DrWnP--8

There is any amarr bs that can use 8 mega beams with any power control system , reactor control units or any Ancillary Current Router. And many times they need 2

And the tornado can use a BS MWD and have all his guns !!! wtf is this?
I know that now it has 5% of falloff bonus and no more 10% so it isn t as difficult to kill, but T3 battle cruisers are really fast and very easy to fit, some ships as ACs tempest or ACs Maelstrom are worst that some tornados (why? Very simple, is your ship can be hunted because it is faster that the other ships, it has more chances to survive that a Maelstrom, and ll be cheaper.)

I hope that you have already noticed those things at sisi server