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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:11:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Misanth wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:That's a bullcrap to be honest. To begin with, the very need in such a ship can only arise if the game is OVERTANKED. You were boosting HPs several times back in 2006 and later introduced current fubar rig scheme which clearly promotes tank over anything else (50 calibration per EHP rig which aren't even stacking penalized; 200 calibration per damage rig which is stacking penalized and is a lot harder to cram in due to increased PG usage - LOL?) Quote:The concept is; violent, fast and fun. So now you ******* admit the game was spoilt back then. And instead of addressing the CORE ISSUE (overtank) you decide to 'mask' it with a new ship, which Quote:[10:32:15 AM] CCP Guard: The Tornado will nerf the drake [10:32:16 AM] CCP Guard: In the face most likely will become a new FOTY and overpowered to the brim? Instead of rebalancing existing stuff (like tier2 BCs; tech3; CS) you decide to widen the gap in popularity between proper ships and dirt-cheap OP crap even further? How cute. Pretty good post Fon, you highlight one thing: does CCP have a vision/clear view of development, or are they still just producing :toys: with no real thought behind? One thing tho, regarding the 'overpowered', and other peoples comment about 'why fly other bc'. Well, for one, bc's of today have cruiser sized weapons and hit frigates/cruisers quite well. Will these new ships do? If CCP's blog comment about these new ship producing battleship dps, then we can assume they can fit the largest weapons too. A torp-bc, or 1400mm bc, or tachyon/megapulse bc, or lolblastersheh bc - either hitting frigates/cruisers? There'll be scenarios where these new ships will be damn powerful, but a roaming gang of these will still die to a bunch of frigs, or a well armed POS, or a blob with tackle support, etc. It won't take long before we see fleets of 40-50 of these dying to ten frigs, a single dictor and scimitar.. I'm pretty sure they don't have any clear vision on what they're doing. I mean, come on, you guys could have easily redifined TIER 1 (!) battlecruisers to fit this newly invented role and NO ONE would have noticed their absence in their own class of complete fail. Alright, Cyclone is somewhat different, but the remaining 3 are utterly pointless. Brutix? Come on, get a Cane instead. I surely might be mistaken and they may indeed be doing some hidden work to rebalance current broken stuff, but somehow I'm sceptical about it. Dramiel and Logistics changes were announced like 5 (?) months ago and what exactly have we got so far? Nothing. And these are merely 2 minor issues. It's only few months left prior to next expansion and even if they do release some balancing plans we're unlikely to get them properly tested.
..and then we got the Command Ships too. But yes, I agree.
To be honest, I think this new BC can be pretty fun, and I am assuming (hoping) it will be countered by smaller ships. Plus, it can't tank alpha like a trimarked BS anyway so for fleet action it's gonna be 'too weak' in certain situations (and almost cost as much as a BS, considering the guns). But what's worrying is exactly what we mention, that it seems CCP more 'throw out toys' rather than having a vision and working after that. And what about current content? as you mention. this is a signature |

Danny Centauri
Baltic Eagle
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:34:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Actually, I could see this be the start of a whole new generation of ship design.
High tier tech 1 ships designed to use weapon system of the next higher class ship. Powerful, but very vulnerable.
High tier tech 2 ships designed to use weapon systems of ships 2 classes higher. (LIke the stealth bomber, highly specialized but extremely vulnerable.)
It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to design high tier Tech 1 ships (or redesign existing lower tier Tech 1 ships) around weapons systems that normally fit on 1 ship class LOWER than themselves, with bonuses to make the weapons extremely effective vs. smaller targets.... but rather ineffective against their own class or higher.
With that last bit, I'm talking specialized bonus/abillities to maximize combat performance, not just slapping small guns on a cruiser or BC.
Hmmmm, this might warrant some serious thought...
Also the other way around battleships with medium gun bonus, this could prove extremely interesting. Specialised cruisers for killing frigates, BCs for cruisers and BS for BCs. They would be expensive to do the job and slower than what they are fighting but with increased survivability may prove very interesting. Great combinatiion to fight BC gangs using them alongside logistics etc.
Also would make for a much more diverse EVE universe. |

7Cai
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:51:00 -
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Please, please use the Naru-kami for caldari or even galente... especially that it took 2nd place... |

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company Higginbotham and Bailey's Circus
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:58:00 -
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Yazzinra wrote: i loves my myrmidon. Any clue if this will be an upgrade, or a sidegrade?
i can haz pictur plz?
They will turn the Myrmidon just up side down 
btw, BC 5, all races cruiser 5, all large guns specced crew checkin in , what ever ship gonna be imba, I-Śm on it  |

SidneyB
Mercenaries 4 Hire BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:58:00 -
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Shaera Taam wrote:Maul555 wrote:Harotak wrote:Ydnari wrote:DJ P0N-3 wrote:Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide. No escape from reality Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see |

Kerri Desdemonia
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 20:32:00 -
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For the other three races please please please:
Amarr: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?order=24&offset=384#/d30lvt3
Caldari: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?order=24&offset=168#/d30h8af
Gallente: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d2yt8lk
All three have extended hulls (makes sense for mechanic spaces for the bigger guns. the Tornado is extended also, but vertically like the minnie dread so cool) and seem like extensions of existing designs (the similarity to the Archon for Amarr, the reworking of the rokh so it doesn't look like a bloody sidearm, and another cool looking bulbous ship with apparent command tower above like the Hyperion and Obelisk.)
Please make the Caldari one a TURRET based ship FFS! |

Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 20:35:00 -
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SidneyB wrote:Shaera Taam wrote:Maul555 wrote:Harotak wrote:Ydnari wrote: Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide. No escape from reality Open your eyes Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy. CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cerealhttp://www.altaholics.blogspot.com |

Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:12:00 -
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My guesses for other races-
AMARR CALDARI GALLENTE
AND
Please make the Caldari one a MISSILES based ship, if I'd wanted a turret, I had 3 other races to choose from!!!
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OdysseySpace
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:34:00 -
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And so a lot of useless ships. It would be better space filler content. And then the solar system the size of the prisons of the camera. When they said something about the custom agents. They've forgotten. |

Major Eyeswater
Snake Eyes Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:48:00 -
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IMHO, a Caldari Torp BC isn't going to be a mini Golem, so it will need painters, MWD and tackle gear maybe, not leaving many mid slots for drake-like tank, so I will look forward to seeing this ship in the flesh.
I feel these ships might prove useful in a sniping role- Amarr BC for sure, if it can cram 8 Tachy Beams on board.
Time will tell  |
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Vlad McCain
The Black Pearl Emporium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 00:19:00 -
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idk those guns look a tad small for a minie ship... id have thought they'd try to cram 6 or 8 3500mm's on there |

tasman devil
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 00:39:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:The Community team is committed to bringing you all the latest information on what we have in store for you in the coming winter expansion and beyond. Game design is putting the final touches on new ships...and here's the concept overview of the the first one. The ship everyone has been waiting for.... the Tornado. What an A grade piece of cr*p is this sh*t!?!?
We don't need more ships WE NEED BETTER MECHANICS, FFS!
Tier 4 is unneeded... what role would the fill? BS? Already taken! (by 3 tiers + tech 2 variants) BC? Already taken! (by 2 tiers + tech 2 variants) CR? Already taken! (by 4 tiers + tech 2 variants)
Give me a break and fly me to Reykjavik... |

Naomi Wildfire
Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 01:09:00 -
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Next ally tourney will field lots of Tier3 BCs i hope, would get damn interesting since it would be the biggest change since the introduction of T3 Cruisers
@poster above me
Quote:Tier 4 is unneeded... what role would the fill? BS? Already taken! (by 3 tiers + tech 2 variants) BC? Already taken! (by 2 tiers + tech 2 variants) CR? Already taken! (by 4 tiers + tech 2 variants)
at first, it is clearly Tier3
second: BS = Battleship BC = Battlecruiser CR = Combat Recon
Seriously get a clue before you start bitching about stuff you dont know. In addition you are missing faction/pirate versions. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.23 03:34:00 -
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Cloora wrote:SidneyB wrote:Shaera Taam wrote:Maul555 wrote:Harotak wrote: Caught in a landslide.
No escape from reality Open your eyes Look up to the skies and see I'm just a poor boy. I need no sympathy
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.23 03:41:00 -
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Ya this is just what we need lets make Battle Ships even more useless and unwanted out side of pve.
Edit: On the bright side I do look forward to new ships. |

Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
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Posted - 2011.10.23 04:49:00 -
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BC hull w/BS wepaons. So we're talking faster velocity and agility, faster lock times, not so long on the locking range, but easily boostable. Decent tank. Hmm... snipers? Ambush troops? Should be very desirable for suicide ganks. They will definitely replace the welpcane.
Feeling very glad I have my torp skills nearly maxed. (Hoping its torps for Caldari.) "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Den Sethos
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.23 05:58:00 -
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I'm looking forward to this. It should give some variety to BCs and maybe, just maybe, allow people to clear L4 missions without a slow, clumsy battleship.
What's more, a third tier means we might get more Tech 2 BCs (look at the BSs: 3 tiers, the first 2 with T2 equivalents) |

Nydia Winters
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 08:02:00 -
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Seams like they should be their own class they sound like Pocket Battleships; an example would be the Admiral Graf Spee. |

s73v3n2k
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:34:00 -
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Increased PG/CPU for large weapons will also allow for large buffer tanks to be fitted to them so certainly be interesting to see if they are used as intended or not.
Good to see CCP are actually back on track and adding things people actually want to see in the game.
More of the same please.
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Scarlett Ninja
Section 5
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:42:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:To My Hurricane: Sorry, I've found something else. Something vertical hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?
how about "Storm" |
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Ahrman Vanaheim
Chimaera Combine Novus Dominatum
5
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:01:00 -
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Really looking forward to the other 3 races new BC's, particularly Caldari and Gallente!
Lots of really great entries for all the ships, however this one would probably make an outstanding Amarr BC later:
http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?qh=§ion=&q=king#/d2z65ee
Different enough to stand out from the current ships, yet a design that grows on me. Would love to see one of those, in that colour scheme flying  |

Destructor1792
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:06:00 -
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I can see these ships being fast but paper thin... Get ready for many tears  |

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2011.10.23 12:49:00 -
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If CCP gets the hybrid fix to work, then I can dream of a blaster-cannon BC.  |

Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 12:58:00 -
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Will wait for the stats, slot layouts and bonuses before judging. However I can't see this concept work outside minmatar ships, where a hull that does this already exist.
Oh and the gallente one should look like this: Aquilon , the Mentor was a very cool design for amarr even if it actually looked more like a drone carrier. |

Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2011.10.23 14:34:00 -
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s73v3n2k wrote:Increased PG/CPU for large weapons will also allow for large buffer tanks to be fitted to them so certainly be interesting to see if they are used as intended or not.
Good to see CCP are actually back on track and adding things people actually want to see in the game.
More of the same please.
Probably it will use the same bonus as stealth bombers, a reduction in PG and CPU for the large guns, instead of higher value attributes... |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.23 15:12:00 -
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Thank you for all your replies and feedback. The majority of the posts show excitement! Roughly a quarter of the posts I have read had a positive attitude but were a bit hesitant. I saw less than 5% of the posts that considered this idea as being really bad.
Most of the hesitation results from lack of solid numbers so far as you haven't seen the stats of the new ships or how exactly they will work. Won't the tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers become useless? Won't the new battlecruiser have a too strong tank, making them overpowered? Won't the tier 2 battleships become useless? What about the Gallente ship, will it at least this time not get the short end? And how will tracking work, a fast ship with large weapons? We saw more questions and read them all!
CCP Ytterbium is working on a new Devblog with more information about the Tornado and its brothers in arms.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.23 15:23:00 -
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Blimeh, a dev response after the first couple of pages, it's like the old days again 
I'm just curious what role these new BC's will fulfil.
The idea is awesome, but the idea behind titans and motherships (supercarriers) was also Awesome(TM) and look how that turned out.
EvE doesn't need awesome ideas when ships are added, it needs roles which ships are designed to fill otherwise you end up with the problems we've got now, ie supercarriers and to a similar extent, T3 Cruisers (jack of all trades, but oddly also extremely good at said trades, like the Tengu).
If this idea with the BC's using next size up weapons works out nicely, would CCP be willing to take the idea and apply it to Destroyers? They *really* could do with a lot of love and have needed it for many years now. |

Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.10.23 15:51:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Won't the tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers become useless?
Tier 1 BCs are already useless, as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:04:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Won't the tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers become useless? Tier 1 BCs are already useless, as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it.
This.
I find it utterly annoying that CCP is the last one admitting the most evident thing. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.23 16:05:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:[quote=CCP Phantom]as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it. well it's normal given they all have nice tech2 variant, et a noob will never have a reason to test those little things, given he will quickly have a better option. that's sad, but it would need a total revamp of all ships to make this better, and i don't think a good result is possible... |
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