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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:15:00 -
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Alundil wrote:Jarin Arenos wrote:I know the similarity has been pointed out, but putting them side by side... Well, let's just say that the MInmatar seem to have a new trade agreement with the Gallente. Tornado design comparison Nice comparison....brings to mind: "Minmatar, flying them backwards since forever"
He wrong here is the other designs from design contest.
http://news.deviantart.com/article/133951/
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
27
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:18:00 -
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**** YES I TRAINED BC5 NOT LONG AGO.
+1 for finally putting this in game. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
7
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:29:00 -
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Ugleb wrote:While cool, doesn't a BC dealing BS-level damage kind of make BS more irrelevant? You get the damage output without the price tag on a faster more manoeuvrable ship. Ok its not as tough, there is going to be more of these on the field to do the melting, right?
Conceptually it seems to be a step towards further cementing BC dominance on the field. Bit bothered by that.
Please do not give these large weapon BC's any sort of tracking bonus. 'Glass cannons' might be a good design principle here. These ships will be vulnerable to frigates, destroyers (dictors) and cruisers (hacs and recons). |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:33:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:Ugleb wrote:While cool, doesn't a BC dealing BS-level damage kind of make BS more irrelevant? You get the damage output without the price tag on a faster more manoeuvrable ship. Ok its not as tough, there is going to be more of these on the field to do the melting, right?
Conceptually it seems to be a step towards further cementing BC dominance on the field. Bit bothered by that.
Please do not give these large weapon BC's any sort of tracking bonus. 'Glass cannons' might be a good design principle here. These ships will be vulnerable to frigates, destroyers (dictors) and cruisers (hacs and recons).
This. AHAC gangs will be more effective against these than they are against BS gangs. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
RLCHANCE
The Shadow Cartel DUST ALLIANCE
2
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:36:00 -
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Lord Meriak wrote:I can see alot of cap issue's with 2 races..
thow gal really really on drones. amarr need a buff and soon
Dont forget 'Caldari' there in more need of an buffing than amarr lol i know i fly amarr and there just about right :)
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Salvia Olima
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
6
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:38:00 -
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It is a Tornado, a minmatar T3 battlecruiser. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
174
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:49:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:That's a bullcrap to be honest. To begin with, the very need in such a ship can only arise if the game is OVERTANKED. You were boosting HPs several times back in 2006 and later introduced current fubar rig scheme which clearly promotes tank over anything else (50 calibration per EHP rig which aren't even stacking penalized; 200 calibration per damage rig which is stacking penalized and is a lot harder to cram in due to increased PG usage - LOL?) Quote:The concept is; violent, fast and fun. So now you ******* admit the game was spoilt back then. And instead of addressing the CORE ISSUE (overtank) you decide to 'mask' it with a new ship, which Quote:[10:32:15 AM] CCP Guard: The Tornado will nerf the drake [10:32:16 AM] CCP Guard: In the face most likely will become a new FOTY and overpowered to the brim? Instead of rebalancing existing stuff (like tier2 BCs; tech3; CS) you decide to widen the gap in popularity between proper ships and dirt-cheap OP crap even further? How cute.
Pretty good post Fon, you highlight one thing: does CCP have a vision/clear view of development, or are they still just producing :toys: with no real thought behind?
One thing tho, regarding the 'overpowered', and other peoples comment about 'why fly other bc'. Well, for one, bc's of today have cruiser sized weapons and hit frigates/cruisers quite well. Will these new ships do? If CCP's blog comment about these new ship producing battleship dps, then we can assume they can fit the largest weapons too. A torp-bc, or 1400mm bc, or tachyon/megapulse bc, or lolblastersheh bc - either hitting frigates/cruisers?
There'll be scenarios where these new ships will be damn powerful, but a roaming gang of these will still die to a bunch of frigs, or a well armed POS, or a blob with tackle support, etc. It won't take long before we see fleets of 40-50 of these dying to ten frigs, a single dictor and scimitar.. this is a signature |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
26
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:52:00 -
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I forsee a lot of explosions!
With be so much loot around with these new tier 3 BCs \o/ |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:57:00 -
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@ CCP
I've got some questions for you guys.
Has we can easily see BC's are the powerhouse's of Eve, way overpowered to the point they obsolete BS's in many situations sending BS's at "shoot pve rats" or alpha doctrines with only half of the existent ones can do the job, not even trying to bring BO's, let's keep it Tech 1
Why didn't you guys kept the design of "big guns to shoot ya face" and give it to Tiers 3 BS's instead?
Pretty sure BS's full racks of capital guns would make the cleanup of all those supers/titans around with no need to nerf super in the process, but you've chosen to go for battle cruisers. Those will be expensive to fit, to produce=buy, at least almost that much than BS's just more mobile and with less tank, witch can already be done by nano/shield tank almost every BS.
Do you really think those will counter the "tanky glass canon" blob/fleets or on the contrary they will bring new blobs setups? (hi sign radius, shoot range and more logistics)
Thx
Also: In behalf of my self -how do you expect Gallente counterpart to be on pair with his new friends when it uses the shortest range weapon system, shortest for about 250% at least than any other, or will gallente stick with: sucks even shooting nuclear warheads because can't get in range or shoot far enough to scratch paint? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:09:00 -
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Tyme Xandr wrote:So after reading through page after page of either rejoice or tears/horror I decided maybe it was time for an intelligent post that can maybe spark some intelligent conversation.
Facts: Tier 3 BC Large Weapon Systems Low Ability to Tank
Intelligent Assumptions (if those things exist)
Due to this ship being able to fit Large Weapons it could naturally be assumed that since they are not a battleship they wont be able to fit a whole rack. Lets presume 4-5 weapon slots with 2-3 maybe 4 utility slots. This would keep the need for Battleship's as they can hold full racks of large weapons. Ex: Tornado can fit 4 or 5 800's, use the utilities for neuts. Caldaris can fit 4-5 torps, the rest can be neuts or spider shield mods.
Their bonus will be towards fitting, much like Stealth Bombers have bonuses to allow Torps to be equipped despite their fitting ability. Example: 69.65% reduction in Large Projectile Weapon systems powergrid needs. (I made that number from thin air as I dont assume itll be like SB's 99.65% reduction.
Low tank ability makes me think they will have reduced low/mid slots. This will diminish the ability of Armor tankers to fit tracking/dmg mods and shield tankers diminished ability to shield tank/tackle. They will pick one or the other or try to even out between the two making them only somewhat average in both respects.
So this appears to sound like a pretty balanced ship that wont be the WTF pwnmobile. Theyre still large weapons which means smaller sig ships/faster ships can outrun siege missiles and waver away from tracking of large guns. The ships wont be overtanked as they will have lowered tanking ability (RP element of using more space/systems/power for large weapons).
Why would you use some ship with less tank than regular BC, with half guns rack one BS can fit when all you have to do is shield nano fit your BS, rig it for dps, FULL FIT YOUR RACK OF GUNS, and still have decent tank? |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
174
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:11:00 -
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Laktos wrote:DJ Xaphod wrote:Spyker Slater wrote:Maul555 wrote:Harotak wrote: Caught in a landslide.
No escape from reality Open your eyes Look up to the sky? and see
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy this is a signature |
Disturbed Lucy
Zim and Lucy's excellent adventure
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:31:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Laktos wrote:DJ Xaphod wrote:Spyker Slater wrote:Maul555 wrote:
No escape from reality
Open your eyes Look up to the sky? and see I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
because I'm easy come easy go little high little low |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:35:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:That's a bullcrap to be honest. To begin with, the very need in such a ship can only arise if the game is OVERTANKED. You were boosting HPs several times back in 2006 and later introduced current fubar rig scheme which clearly promotes tank over anything else (50 calibration per EHP rig which aren't even stacking penalized; 200 calibration per damage rig which is stacking penalized and is a lot harder to cram in due to increased PG usage - LOL?) Quote:The concept is; violent, fast and fun. So now you ******* admit the game was spoilt back then. And instead of addressing the CORE ISSUE (overtank) you decide to 'mask' it with a new ship, which Quote:[10:32:15 AM] CCP Guard: The Tornado will nerf the drake [10:32:16 AM] CCP Guard: In the face most likely will become a new FOTY and overpowered to the brim? Instead of rebalancing existing stuff (like tier2 BCs; tech3; CS) you decide to widen the gap in popularity between proper ships and dirt-cheap OP crap even further? How cute. Pretty good post Fon, you highlight one thing: does CCP have a vision/clear view of development, or are they still just producing :toys: with no real thought behind? One thing tho, regarding the 'overpowered', and other peoples comment about 'why fly other bc'. Well, for one, bc's of today have cruiser sized weapons and hit frigates/cruisers quite well. Will these new ships do? If CCP's blog comment about these new ship producing battleship dps, then we can assume they can fit the largest weapons too. A torp-bc, or 1400mm bc, or tachyon/megapulse bc, or lolblastersheh bc - either hitting frigates/cruisers? There'll be scenarios where these new ships will be damn powerful, but a roaming gang of these will still die to a bunch of frigs, or a well armed POS, or a blob with tackle support, etc. It won't take long before we see fleets of 40-50 of these dying to ten frigs, a single dictor and scimitar..
I'm pretty sure they don't have any clear vision on what they're doing. I mean, come one, you guys could have easily redifined TIER 1 (!) battlecruisers to fit this newly invented role and NO ONE would have noticed their absence in their own class of complete fail. Alright, Cyclone is somewhat different, but the remaining 3 are utterly pointless. Brutix? Come on, get a Cane instead.
I surely might be mistaken and they may indeed be doing some hidden work to rebalance current broken stuff, but somehow I'm sceptical about it. Dramiel and Logistics changes were announced like 5 (?) months ago and what exactly have we got so far? Nothing. And these are merely 2 minor issues.
It's only few months left prior to next expansion and even if they do release some balancing plans we're unlikely to get them properly tested.
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:25:00 -
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I can almost already guess at the description and bonuses to the Gallente Ship:
"Another in a long line of great looking ships that absolutely fails to perform. This is no exception to a long line of ships that are exceptionally slow, unable to control range, and general fails to meet up to expectations.
5% bonus to slowness per level and a 7.5% armor repair bonus per level.
Role Bonus: Can use oversized guns giving a whopping 5km of optimal range."
ya, that looks about right.... |
Vanakov Mek'lanavar
Furnulum pani nolo THE SPACE P0LICE
2
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:45:00 -
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This devblog made me log in today.
for two minutes. |
Slighet
Siempre Muerto
6
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:49:00 -
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As someone who mostly flies drakes, I'd just like to say, please nerf drakes a little rather than just introducing new uber-drakes. We need existing ships to be competitive more than we need new ships.
Having said that, as long as they don't just introduce a new drake-style FOTM, I like the idea of the new tier 3 BCs a lot. |
Brazero
Noble House
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:51:00 -
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They should introduce a new BC class of turrets. |
Narjack
CragCO
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:29:00 -
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Kalot Sakaar wrote:I can almost already guess at the description and bonuses to the Gallente Ship:
"Another in a long line of great looking ships that absolutely fails to perform. This is no exception to a long line of ships that are exceptionally slow, unable to control range, and general fails to meet up to expectations.
5% bonus to slowness per level and a 7.5% armor repair bonus per level.
Role Bonus: Can use oversized guns giving a whopping 5km of optimal range."
ya, that looks about right....
I just about spit my coffee out reading this one. Pretty funny, mostly because its so accurate. Can't wait to see yet another Gal ship with that awesome 7.5% armor repair bonus. Lol.
CCP, will these ship be able to mount command mods? |
Bhaal Chinnian
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:39:00 -
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ty CCP for introducing a new flavor of ships which should freshen up the game a bit, and provide yet more diversity of fleet composition. My guess, in regards to the BS turrets, is that these new BCs won't be able to fit more than 3 or 4 of them so their dps will stay in line with current BCs which can field ~6. The advantage ,in the end, would only be range.
/2cents |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
11
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:02:00 -
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I like the idea and have advocated a heavy cruiser/battlecruiser along these lines for a while.
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Alexandria Aesirial
Masons of New Eden The Laughing Men
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:20:00 -
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I can't wait for the new drake with torps!!! OMG OMG OMG!!! |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
127
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:28:00 -
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So pocket Battleships
Im looking forward to see their stats
and also bet someone will name his one Graff Spee I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
12
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:34:00 -
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Tier 3 is kinda meh dose should be Tactical BC's or assault BC's...
i still think that those ships would be more suited for BS class as kind sir that created ship stated,they just lost much "umph" scaling down to class that have issues as is.i mean cyclone/cane/brutix/harb are all boomsticks and then there are noob friendly draek/amarr bird thingy and mirm for tank..i du no why another boomstick there...all races tier 3 ewar/dps BS sound more appealing to me...cant wait to fly a ship anyway. |
Liberty Belle
Red Brangus Unlimited S I L E N T.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:02:00 -
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This is an exciing addition.
his works well with the changes to Supercarriers and making Custom Offices player owned and destructible.... I wouldn't call the tier 3 BC revolutionary, but I can see many uses, some even pivotal.
I can't wait to get my hands on these blueprints! |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:12:00 -
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Peoples should be reminded that when you fit large turrets, you get poor tracking aswell.
If those tier 3 BCs get large guns and no drones, well, I can solopwn one with my Wolf. |
Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:29:00 -
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Awesome cool a tech 3 BC oh wait... thats Tech 1/tier 3... I was soooo excited, not that this isn't good... its just not great
But all said, it puts BCs in there traditional naval role which I approve and that said makes a great addition to go with those new customs offices. I mean what better tool to blow them up with. And think of the wonderful fun of HS ganks on carebears, no longer is a costly BS necessary. Gwoonswarm must be swooning with glee (well it will in all probablility make a great ganker) I like the idea, now CCP, take it to the next level in the next year. Tech 3 BCs to give that BC class a little more love and something to train for.
I do think alot of players will enjoy this one, but I was really saddened I read the initial write up wrong, sort of took the thrill right out of me.
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zero2espect
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
15
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:16:00 -
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i like the idea but it's the wrong class of ship. i would have preferred to see the same done on destoyers to make a 4 hislot "torpedo boat".
tbh this will be the new blob weapon of choice, think remote repped absolutions with 3x the firepower.
at least if it was done on smaller ships, it becomes a more fun ship to fly (with higher risk of getting killed) without the repercussions to blob warfare.
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Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:44:00 -
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zero2espect, technically the Stealth Bomber already takes the torpedo boat role. Small, light, fast, and carrying weapons completely out of proportion for it's size.
Alexandria Aesirial wrote:I can't wait for the new drake with torps!!! OMG OMG OMG!!! I'll take a bet that the new Caldari BC will NOT be a missile boat for just what this suggests. Probably a mix of weapons, or possibly a dedicated railgunner like the Rokh BS. If it DOES become "a Drake with torps," then it will be a ridiculously overpowered ship. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
127
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:50:00 -
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ok my opinion ;
Seems fun and i think probably will add to both the roaminggang and the blob , but we don't know any stats yet so people will have to wait for while ..... so where and how to use this new ship ,? guess we all anxious awaiting the next devblog
I also see this become the ship to use for suicide ganks, but i think that is a minor issue, tho alot of miners will be annoyed by it I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:57:00 -
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Maul555 wrote:Harotak wrote:Ydnari wrote:DJ P0N-3 wrote:Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide. No escape from reality
Open your eyes |
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