I endorse this product and/or service. And the new Gallente BC is radical.

Will this be a Tech 2 BC (i.e. require BC V)? Any other skill prereqs that we will need to train as well? Or is this information being saved for another dev blog?

CCP please make the Gallente ship of this new BC line worth flying. We really need some love.

I have to say, that you say it will be easier for newer pilots to get into but then it requires battleship sized guns?


I'd say that's interesting because the major issue at the moment is that T2 Large Guns take WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more training than training the Battleship skill.


But, hey - I'll take it - the Noobs can suffer at my awesomeness.


But now I have to train T2 Large Projectiles ;p

The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one

The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one

I endorse this product and/or service. And the new Gallente BC is radical.

I heard there are T1 Large turrets too

Is it going to have updated graphics model like the maller and scorpion?

The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one

Long story short: All those C1 POS towers that we couldn't get battleships to are going down this winter...

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCP, keep this stuff up and you'll gain so many subs that people will call the Jita Rioters "f'king c*unts"



+1 to the Devteam :D

GÖÑ Pete

Told you winter is going to own if you like spaceships.

T3 Battlecruisers with the winter expansion? Awesome...Battlecruisers fitting Battleship guns? AWESOME!!! Tornado now a Battlecruiser instead of Battleship? Meh. But thats ok because all four factions are getting new T3 ships of pure awesomeness!

I can't wait...this will be AWESOME!!!

Yea but what about price ranges. If the goal is to get new players into the game then this BC is gonna have to set at 50 mill or something. I can foresee starting prices to be inflated

Told you winter is going to own if you like spaceships.

The Tornado is absolutely awe inspiring, I just hope that the Gallentean one will not be A BIG AMORPHOUS AMOEBA with engines strapped on it.

I love it!!!!

Please have the Caldari one be Missiles. Please!

Kewl new toy for suicide gankers. I'm sure they celebrate now.

Oh god.

Cheap BC with 1400mms arties.

Thanks for reminding me.

MACKINAWS, HERE I COME :D

I added a tribute to the Tornado's original designer. Let's all give him a big toast tonight.

I added a tribute to the Tornado's original designer. Let's all give him a big toast tonight.

I love it!!!!

Please have the Caldari one be Missiles. Please!

Told you winter is going to own if you like spaceships.

To My Hurricane:
Sorry, I've found something else.
Something vertical

Heard on our skype channel:
[10:32:15 AM] CCP Guard: The Tornado will nerf the drake
[10:32:16 AM] CCP Guard: In the face

Something vertical

The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one

So, in other words, they will be actual battlecruisers, unlike the old ones. Nice!

GǪon the other hand, this means I now have to train BS-sized weapons even though I'm a sub-BS pilot. Damn you!
Nah. It's still a minmatardon. Or myrmatar.

wait

TECH 1 BATTLECRUISER WITH BATTLESHIP SIZE GUNS????

SOUNDS LIKE MOST ******** IDEA EVER

so basicly unless i understood wrong you have hurricane with uber tank and tempest class dps

WTF

is this the new idea to make game interesting like lets make new ships which make old ones useless?

older characters are still missing any new ships to train for and you just decide to pop out new uber tech 1 ship out of nowhere, not lkie tech 3 wouldn't be easy enough to train already? can't we have ANYTHING for older characters anymore?

Is this the real life?

So we are getting a ship with the firepower of a battleship and the mobility (and probably price tag) of a battlecruiser?

The concept is; violent, fast and fun.

[10:32:15 AM] CCP Guard: The Tornado will nerf the drake
[10:32:16 AM] CCP Guard: In the face

you could fit a 100nm ab II and just use 1 less large gun for an insanely fast bc?.... a tengu on steroids

Is this just fantasy?

lol if the caldari one gets missiles it will be a dangerous ship..... like a heavy bomber if it has torp launchers fitted.... perfect for taking down supers if flown in large groups

lol NO miner or orca pilot will be safe now

this ship will be the ganker's choice

hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado


also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers

cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?

I have to say, that you say it will be easier for newer pilots to get into but then it requires battleship sized guns?


I'd say that's interesting because the major issue at the moment is that T2 Large Guns take WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more training than training the Battleship skill.


But, hey - I'll take it - the Noobs can suffer at my awesomeness.


But now I have to train T2 Large Projectiles ;p

also wont the tier 1 bc now become obsolete?

no it will be a glass cannon battlecruiser......... read the dev blog again only this time slowly

They kind of already are

Kewl new toy for suicide gankers. I'm sure they celebrate now.

My skill que just changed....

It's Caldari, of course it will be flown in large groups of noobs very good players.

So if it costs 40mil, does damage of battleship, why would anyone fly battleships anymore?

HACs/command ships will be even more useless now

Whirlwind, twister, the list goes on. :)

I like new toys but wont this totally screw over the ganking game in the favor of the ganker? Massive dps and low cost, this wont go well with miners and haulers....

BTW... ain't nothin' wrong with being Caldari. The great thing about Caldari is the ability to tank large amounts of damage for a very short while. ...for low sec pirates that is ideal. And yes, the bar for entry is low, so it encourages a healthy pirate population. Just my 2 ISK...

But when reviewing the armadas of existing ships we came to the conclusion that it would make much more sense to add another tier of battlecruisers instead of a fourth battleship tier, and that the accessibility of bc skills would mean more of these ships might be in the hands of younger, brasher pilots.

Actually, that's the problem: they won't be glasss cannon battlecruisers based on that description. They will tank worse than battleships, but so what? Battlecruisers already do that, so that's not a drawback. Going by that, they will be normal battlecruisers (which can tank plenty) with large cannonsGǪ

GǪso more like iron cannons GÇö not as good as steel ones, but close enough.

The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one

The difference between BC and BS from a blank char is like four or five days. It's the large gun specializations that kills you.

aint a twister another name for a tornado?

New gallente battlecruiser is like a fresh wind in the EVE universe. Brave and manly design inspired by classic Elite

CCP have said they will not tank like battleships. That does not mean they will tank like battlecruisers, the dev blog did not put a limit on how little they will tank, only on how much they can tank.

I imagine they will only be able to field the tank of a shield hurricane or brutix. Which will balance out their large dps and make them massive primary targets in fleet battles, diminishing their value.

No, it does not balance it out. It means they don't lose any tanking ability compared to the other BCs

What on earth are you on about? A standard tanked bc has 70-80k ehp. 40k is half that. If they can reach 40k at max, then that is a reduced tanking ability compared to a standard battlecruiser.

For the pirates that I deal with daily, it's just another battlecruiser to fit a cyno on...

I will agree that there is nothing wrong with flying Caldari ships. I was just pointing out the likelihood of this new ship replacing drakes as the new derpfleet ship.

I'm on about how you put up normally fitted BCs as an example of how they will be somehow at a disadvantage. There is a reason why people shield-tank their Hurricanes and Brutixes, and that reason remains even with these new ships. So, if these ships achieve the same tank with the same fits, then they are not paying for their additional firepower.

But sure, if you insist: I retract my previous retraction: they should tank like shield-tanked thoraxes and ruptures GÇö gunsize+1 GåÆ tanksize-1.

Yes, but the wording is indicative of a rather flawed thinking: they get the benefit of BS guns, and the supposed price for this is GÇ£not a BS tankGÇ¥ which is not a price at all.

While cool, doesn't a BC dealing BS-level damage kind of make BS more irrelevant? You get the damage output without the price tag on a faster more manoeuvrable ship. Ok its not as tough, there is going to be more of these on the field to do the melting, right?

Conceptually it seems to be a step towards further cementing BC dominance on the field. Bit bothered by that.

Told you winter is going to own if you like spaceships.

Bullshit.

WTH are you doing?
Make it as battle ship or as bc with normal guns.

And i know why CCP do so...
They have finished model of tornado. They wanted to make it as bs... but... they think next way - "****, we need to make another 3 bs models to another factions".
After that they remember starship contest, with a winner. CCP have to add a ship of a winner (Mentor).
But there is another problem - "damn, it's a battlecruiser, we need to make more 3 to each faction".

And so lame ccp decided to combine this ship into one bullshit. CCP think "why not, then we will need to make only 2 models, for caldari and gallente tier3 bc, and not 6."

-1 to that idea. Sorry for my rude langiage, but it's my mind, and i can't find any other word but BULLSHIT!

And what will be next? Cruisers with large smartbombs? Frigates with capital turrets? Shuttle with doomsdays? LAME!

I'm on about how you put up normally fitted BCs as an example of how they will be somehow at a disadvantage. There is a reason why people shield-tank their Hurricanes and Brutixes, and that reason remains even with these new ships. So, if these ships achieve the same tank with the same fits, then they are not paying for their additional firepower.

But sure, if you insist: I retract my previous retraction: they should tank like shield-tanked thoraxes and ruptures GÇö gunsize+1 GåÆ tanksize-1.

Caught in a landslide.

I disagree... there is an interesting historical precedent for this type of ship dating back to WW2

The price would be the reduced tracking compared to tank.

A shield tanked brutix/hurricane is not a normal battlecruiser.

The tornado will almost certainly have a sub-standard tank from the get-go.

CCP please make the Gallente ship of this new BC line worth flying. We really need some love.

While cool, doesn't a BC dealing BS-level damage kind of make BS more irrelevant? You get the damage output without the price tag on a faster more manoeuvrable ship. Ok its not as tough, there is going to be more of these on the field to do the melting, right?

Conceptually it seems to be a step towards further cementing BC dominance on the field. Bit bothered by that.

wait

TECH 1 BATTLECRUISER WITH BATTLESHIP SIZE GUNS????

SOUNDS LIKE MOST ******** IDEA EVER

so basicly unless i understood wrong you have hurricane with uber tank and tempest class dps

WTF

is this the new idea to make game interesting like lets make new ships which make old ones useless?

older characters are still missing any new ships to train for and you just decide to pop out new uber tech 1 ship out of nowhere, not lkie tech 3 wouldn't be easy enough to train already? can't we have ANYTHING for older characters anymore?

remember how sleath bombers bonus works ? they got bonus to fit ONLY the good missile launcher type.

so tornado and his pairs will have bonus ONLY to fit large guns, not big powergrid.

hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado


also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers

cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?

Don't get too excited, my bet is they'll only be able to use the lowest tier of Battleship weapons (without ******** fits). Which is a smart move by CCP imo cos they are some of the least used guns atm.

No escape from reality

Open your eyes

Look up to the sky?

I can't wait to get the gallente one so I can fit a caldari shield tank on it and some large minmatar guns =D

I fear this will be the case... but hey let's be optimistic, I am sure it will be a killer with ACs. :)

I want more EVE physical models. Possibly as airfix style glue together yourself kind of things.

am I the only one?

I suspect these new ships will become the new cheap(ish) weapon of choice for hit and runs against BS gangs. They'll probably also be quite good against cruisers/ other BCs if they can keep range.

And if they get tackled they're ******, which i think is a fairly even trade off. One interceptor or AF would ruin these thing's day.

It's complicated.

Highlighting the most important part.
This just in, eve pvp a bit more complicated again.

Does anyone else see these new BCs getting eaten up by swarms of smaller ships?

"Captain! Tordado sighted dead ahead!"

"Send in the assault frigates!"

No escape from reality

Yes, but the wording is indicative of a rather flawed thinking: they get the benefit of BS guns, and the supposed price for this is GÇ£not a BS tankGÇ¥ which is not a price at all.
No, it does not balance it out. It means they don't lose any tanking ability compared to the other BCs, and get extra damage output out of nowhere, with no drawbacks.

If they were given the tanks of a shield-tanked thorax or rupture, then we'd be talking balance: weapons one size higher GÇö tank one size lower (edit: ok, not necessarily shield tanked at that pointGǪ but still, no longer a BC-level tank).