First?

Is Odyssey going ahead on the 4th?

Thanks!

One of the big changes that's going into EVE Odyssey is a revamp of how you find things in space. The sensor overlay is a massive part of this change. In this dev blog, CCP Frellicus delves into the thought processes and goals that went into redesigning it.

Great changes! Are you guys going to give all players the Astrometrics skill, even those current characters who don't have it, or is it just for new players only?

Roll back the insta prob returning when jumping oos or docking. You are dumbing EVE down doing that and crushing a nice market niche

Roll back the insta prob returning when jumping oos or docking. You are dumbing EVE down doing that and crushing a nice market niche

They pulled those changes. The probes will no longer insta-recall on jumping or logging off, etc.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3106300#post3106300

They pulled those changes. The probes will no longer insta-recall on jumping or logging off, etc.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3106300#post3106300

Not liking the radial button on the HUD to open up the scanner window. What used to be one click, is now two.

I couldn't find the info, but does it mean that whatever is displayed after the initial scan - these are the only sites available in the system, just a matter of pinpointing it; or there are other sites that you still have to find using probes?

I've tried this on SiSi and I have to say I like it. It does what it is supposed to do and does it good.
But when doing things that have noting to do with what's in system (like travelling), it gets annoying. It isn't that it takes more time after a jump (it doesn't) but is is unnecessary extra sensory input that under such circumstances is irrelevant.

So wile I like it and definitely are going to use it, I would like to have the option to shut it of completely when I don't need it at all.
When doing a long haul in a perfectly fitted Freighter for instance...

There were some changes that we were considering making that we backed away from, because they were not just different, they were also bad.

Is the new immediate scanner range limited?

I.e. currently in the largest systems a set of probes wont cover the whole area, will this scan sweep cover the entire area of even the largest systems?

There's a wealth of content hidden out among the stars i would like to point out the word hidden:-

Adj.1.hidden - not accessible to view

i might be wrong but i'm sure all this stuff will be on show

exploration is gone from eve i hope not forever

There's a wealth of content hidden out among the stars i would like to point out the word hidden:-

Adj.1.hidden - not accessible to view

i might be wrong but i'm sure all this stuff will be on show

exploration is gone from eve i hope not forever

Just because you can see the clump of trees does not mean you know what is in the clump of trees. You still got to get there and explore it to find out.

I think this will achieve your goals for the feature quite nicely, but it also highlight one of the problems with the current exploration. That being the feeling there actually isn't anything hidden to find and therefore it's not really exploring. All potential sites are immediately visible to everyone just by entering the system and even the likely locations for sigs are now shown without any effort. Since there isn't even the pretense of anything hidden anymore to find and reveal, we aren't really explorers we are treasure hunters, that delve to sites everyone already knows about and sees.

The above isn't precisely an issue with just the new system, but it really brings it to the forefront. Exploration usually means going of the beaten path and seeing if you can find something of interest not immediately visible to the people just passing through. You've now officially made the equivelant of glowing arrows pointing every player to the "hidden" items you've sprinkeled throughout your game, when before people actually had to prepare and spend some effort to achieve the same. If there is one major downside you've introduced with these changes, this would be it and I hope future iterations to the system try to bring actual exploration back to the game.

[rant]My appologies if this has already been covered in the comments, or in the post itself, but I am currently too tired and too drunk to read all of what was said lol.

Anyway, from the small amount of info I read on the post I have two questions which immediately came to mind.

Firstly, it was stated that the scanner performed its sweep when you entered the system in "...whatever vessel you have decided to take for a spin whether it be a pod or a the fancy new and mysterious Gnosis." Does this mean that capsules will be given the ability to do a system scan?
Because, if I remember correctly in my haze, pods currently do not have the ability to perform this action. If I were to try it right now I get, and have gotten in the past, a message which reads "Your escape-capsule does not appear to have a scanner fitted", or something of that nature.

Secondly, the 'automatic system scan' which occurs when you enter a system. Assuming this is performed when a scan capable vessel jumps into a system, what effect does warping immediately upon entering the system have?
Currently, if I were to warp and try to do a sys scan mid-warp, it would not allow it. Also, if I were to begin a sys scan when I enter a system, and then innitiate warp because I've landed in a bad bad bad very VERY bad place, the sys scanner would then complete its ten second scan and then say, 'sorry, but you cannot do that while warping......'

Sorry again if this has been covered elsewhere, but these were the first two things that came to mind when I flicked through the post.

*Removed a chunk of text I realised was a little off topic*

WRT the new system scanner: I an pleased with the idea of making pilots aware *all the time* that there is more stuff out there than just the belts and the occasional starship wreck/ abandoned research outpost, but this is really nessicary for noobies. If pilots are looking for some action then they would definately be checking sys scan whenever they undock/ jump and thus makes it kinda redundant after a certain amount of play time. As I have heard many others say, it would be great if some of these new features came with a toggle.
However, I am opposed to the change of grav sites being visable on system scanner. In my book, if you want the riches, you have to look a little harder for them, meaning probes, not sys scan. But that's just me, and I might just be a little bit threatened by what I expect ot be an increase in grav site occupants, many of which that do not know how to read a wiki article or watch a "How to..." video.

Well, I think that's all. Two questions and some feedback.

Thanks to all at CCP who spent the last day or so working hard to resolve the server and security issues.

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I do not want to be forced by CCP to "enjoy" the sweep every time I enter a new system

With Incarna we mandatory had to "enjoy" the new visual stuff by CCP, and we all know how that was received.

Does this mean that capsules will be given the ability to do a system scan?

Secondly, the 'automatic system scan' which occurs when you enter a system. Assuming this is performed when a scan capable vessel jumps into a system, what effect does warping immediately upon entering the system have?

Few annoying points, that have already been mentioned by other people in test server feedback, but still present in release:

• Unresizeable columns.
• Bigger uncondensed bold font
• Strange text centering - if you decrease window size to increase your workplace, text will overlap. To see all names clearly you need to resize results window to 1/2 (or even 2/3) of your screen resolution.

Picture sums it up: http://i.imgur.com/78UG2CT.jpg

It's kinda sad. Like with first iteration of Inventory UI, CCP behavior "we know better what you all want" once again.

Skill Changes
Astrometrics:

This is now a starting skill, all new characters receive this at Level 1
Does not alter ability to launch probes, all players can now launch 7 probes.
Added +5% scan strength, -5% max scan deviation and -0.5 sec scan time per level

New exploration modules
There are Tech I and Tech II variants.


Scan Acquisition Array

Duration Bonus = -10% TI, -20% TII

Scan Rangefinding Array

Scan Strength bonus = 10% TI, 20% TII

Scan Pinpointing Array

Maximum Scan deviation = -20% TI, -40% T II

Can we see distant ships on the overlay?

Roll back the insta prob returning when jumping oos or docking. You are dumbing EVE down doing that and crushing a nice market niche

The scanning window becomes too big.
When probing part of it was based on spreadsheet, you could just squeeze some columns and make the scanning window smaller keeping its minimum size. Now, when you removed "spreadsheetness" from scannig tab we can't comfortably change the width of the comumns and squeeze the scanning window.

The size of the scanning window is especially critical in WH space because there you have to keep it open all the time 23.5*7*365 for d-scanning. And making windows bigger is bad by itself.

It looks nice... I have just one question really...

When I pop through a WH, and turn around to look at the hole I just popped out of, will it show me the ID without having to launch probes?

Please say yes

You will have a signature near by (a few AUs off) that is the WH you just entered through. It will not be warpable nor can you save the location, although being right next to it you can do that manually anyways.

I think this will achieve your goals for the feature quite nicely, but it also highlight one of the problems with the current exploration. That being the feeling there actually isn't anything hidden to find and therefore it's not really exploring. All potential sites are immediately visible to everyone just by entering the system and even the likely locations for sigs are now shown without any effort. Since there isn't even the pretense of anything hidden anymore to find and reveal, we aren't really explorers we are treasure hunters, that delve to sites everyone already knows about and sees.

The above isn't precisely an issue with just the new system, but it really brings it to the forefront. Exploration usually means going of the beaten path and seeing if you can find something of interest not immediately visible to the people just passing through. You've now officially made the equivelant of glowing arrows pointing every player to the "hidden" items you've sprinkeled throughout your game, when before people actually had to prepare and spend some effort to achieve the same. If there is one major downside you've introduced with these changes, this would be it and I hope future iterations to the system try to bring actual exploration back to the game.

The last time I checked SiSi the overlay didn't treat anomalies and signatures like they were brackets, as in they didn't appear at the edge of the screen to give you a clue as to which way you had to manipulate the camera. As a consequence I often found myself spinning the camera around 360 several times trying to locate the signatures in space.

Was this ever resolved or is this by design?

edit: Probe auto-recall isn't going anywhere now. If it wasn't pulled before release they're not going to pull it after newbies have gotten used to its behaviour.