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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
685
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:37:00 -
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Had a lot of fun with the old one and something tells me i will be spending quite some time on this one as well 
One thing tho, you might want to consider a "skip voting" option or similar. In some cases there has been characters without a portrait showing up, and in others there has been some that is.. very difficult to make a decision on which one looks the best/worst.
Maybe ad in an option with, both are good, both are bad and a report option for character without a portrait? Unless that was already there and i missed it 
But anyway, +1 to the OP!
Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread
The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Steel Olgidar
HRG Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:50:00 -
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I've been digging the site, tons of fun and it's nice to see the faces of my fellow capsuleers.
Also I am a sexy beast and proud of it.
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Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:51:00 -
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I need some feedback on this before i make the change. Right now leaderboard is sorted by the Elo rating, and as you may have noticed it's pretty volatile. One moment you are there, the next moment you are not in even Top 100 anymore. Death Cell who's been #1 a few hours ago is now #50.
Death Cell has a winning percentage of 0.73, while the current character in the #3 position has a winning percentage of 0.72. Someone with a higher winning percentage is #50 and the one with a lower winning percentage is #3.
I think it would be slightly more accurate to sort leaderboards by the winning percentage. But if everyone enjoys currently fast-paced leaderboard then I will leave it as is.
@NightCrawler 85: I will add the report button in the next update. As for the skip button, I thought about it, in the end I think it will encourage people not to vote on a lot of portraits. You could just skip hundreds of them and vote only on the ones you like, thus creating a gap between highly attractive characters with high wins/losses count vs unattractive characters with low win/losses count. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
685
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:55:00 -
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Nova Kierra wrote:
@NightCrawler 85: I will add the report button in the next update. As for the skip button, I thought about it, in the end I think it will encourage people not to vote on a lot of portraits. You could just skip hundreds of them and vote only on the ones you like, thus creating a gap between highly attractive characters with high wins/losses count vs unattractive characters with low win/losses count.
I had not considered this but it makes sense, thank you for explaining
Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread
The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Steel Olgidar
HRG Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:57:00 -
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Keep up the good work. o7 |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
692
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Posted - 2013.06.13 03:45:00 -
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Some of the matchups :) (Not sure how you could vote against the likes of Punkturis, or Alice though)
wumbo |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
642
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:06:00 -
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Kudos on the site. And I was amazed at the creativity of many of the avatars.
It was a special thrill to vote for Backdoor Bandit, but I didn't see him in the Top 100.
One thing, would it be possible to put in a "pass" button?
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2836
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:54:00 -
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Looking at the top avatar, I might very likely win. |
Yaz Raholan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:57:00 -
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Very cool! And kind of addicting lol. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
3894
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:02:00 -
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it is fun. but i'm sort of convinced the system is getting abused some. people not being honest in their voting. tsk tsk! |
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
685
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:08:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:
One thing, would it be possible to put in a "pass" button?
I asked the same and i got a good explanation on why he/she decided not to add this option here; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3195095#post3195095
Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread
The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
423
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:12:00 -
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Nova Kierra wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Wow...cool site. Thanks.  I have another EVE related project in works. I think you will all like it.
hey, can you put your site in your sig so I don't have to keep looking for it lol
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2838
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:21:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:it is fun. but i'm sort of convinced the system is getting abused some. people not being honest in their voting. tsk tsk!
I just had Seelene vs some woman. I know what you mean. |
Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:25:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:it is fun. but i'm sort of convinced the system is getting abused some. people not being honest in their voting. tsk tsk!
Eurydia what makes you think that? If it's the high losses numbers, it could be, not entirely sure, be related to not having a skip button. As I've mentioned above having a skip button presents its own problems and potential abusing, but not having it people will just click random image if they don't like either avatars in order to see next results.
Creator of New Eden Faces -> www.newedenfaces.com |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
3896
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:54:00 -
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Nova Kierra wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:it is fun. but i'm sort of convinced the system is getting abused some. people not being honest in their voting. tsk tsk! Eurydia what makes you think that? If it's the high losses numbers, it could be, not entirely sure, be related to not having a skip button. As I've mentioned above having a skip button presents its own problems and potential abusing, but not having it people will just click random image if they don't like either avatars in order to see next results.
what i mean is that i sort of get the feeling that some avatars are being sniped here and there because they have high wins. intentional downvoting to boost points for someones alt or to help solidify the position of a favorite avatar near the top by taking points away from the competition. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
64778
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Posted - 2013.06.13 07:46:00 -
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I'm not even in the Top 100 anymore 
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BoSau Hotim
Whale Whatchers
5382
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Posted - 2013.06.13 10:10:00 -
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hmm.. I put this on feedback, but I like to be pushy and mention it here too :)
I've changed my avi awhile ago.. different from the one you have from the old database and would love if we had a delete/resubmit option for our avi's.. maybe so you can change it every 6 mos/year:
thanks for doing this :)
*GLOMP* with your AltGäó-á |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
65007
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:01:00 -
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BO! GÖÑ
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Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:59:00 -
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There're some issues with rating, that's for sure. You had one of my alts there from the day of announcement of the site, who has only 32/8 win/loss ratio, for total of 40 ratings while some avatars that showed up much later can have well over in 100+ as total.
Also seen lower win/loss ratios in higher spot on the top100. Not to mention seeing some that do not even belong to top100, not just top20 - Sansha Kuvakei, anyone? 
Overall the rating system can be abused easily. Just like any voting system I guess
Plus it's random anyway, and if a mediocre avatar gets paired vs someone like https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/lappeen%20Rannasta more times than you, it will end up in top20. I suppose F5 solves the issue...
Fun site, and yeah, can be addictive, just needs more polish plus more complicated voting system.
I.E. higher rating avatars get paired with higher rating avatars only.
my .02 isk? |
BoSau Hotim
Whale Whatchers
5383
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Posted - 2013.06.14 05:22:00 -
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hmmm, while rating pics I definitely saw an imbalance in number of times I would see the same avatars. some I saw 5-8 times while others only 1-2.
*GLOMP* with your AltGäó-á |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2427
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Posted - 2013.06.14 06:57:00 -
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I think that the top rank is too volatile to be of use. What's the point to have 2 characters on the top 14 when next day they're not even on the top 100 b/c they weren't matched enough and didn't got any points?
Of course, in the long run, the top scores will become unmovable once the averaged top 100 rankers have been picked, and that would be bad. Resetting the score system periodically should be necessary, also as a way to clean up avatars that got modified to the worst once they reached a high ratio.
Maybe the score could be historical and ranked by weeks, like "Week #33 top rank", "Week #34 top rank", etcetera, with "monthly top rank" and even "year top rank".
Also anotherr efinemnt to amtchign algorythm could favor newer characters (with the current one, they're gonna be matched at the same pace as characters with an accumualted high count of matches). Maybe the site could track the median (not average but median) amount of matches per character and give the under-median characters a boost in matches, like being offered for the next (median -n) matches.
Let's say that median are 35 matches and a character is new and only got 3 matches, the algorythim picks it and delivers it to (35-3= 32) different IPs in a row so he's matched 32 times and meets the median. This process should be done cyclically, say, once every x total matches (1,000 matches? 5,000? -what it takes so happens roughly once an hour).
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Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:24:00 -
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Some new changes as of today:
- Character data will be loaded once per Home and Top 100 pages. Moving back and forth between pages will now be instantaneous.
- Report button (intended for characters with no avatar, so please try not to abuse this button)
- New characters will have their images saved locally. Depending on where you live, but from here, I've noticed a dramatic increase in loading time: 70ms vs 575ms on average for 256x256 avatar. I will find a way to move existing 1200 characters to use locally saved images but for now they still use CCP's images server. This change affects only newly added characters.
- Skip button (bound to s key)
- Slide-in animation for avatars
- Link character names to their detailed profile page
- Added lots of error handlers, so server shouldn't crash as often anymore. There was one pesky error where wins count was set to NULL and it would cause a crash server. I am still not sure why that happens, but at least it won't crash the server again for that reason.
@BoSau Hotim: All avatars up until today were retrieved from the CCP server. It was always up to date. After today images will be stored locally. In the next few days I'll make sure that images are updated every 24 or 48 hours to synchronize with your current avatar which may or may not have changed since then.
@Tanthalassa: I too have noticed that some avatars are showed up more than others, but I promise it's all random. I don't really have an easy solution to fix this problem. But this could be fixed at the expensive of slower response time.
Right now when Person 1 opens the website, his/her browser has data on all 1200+ characters. If Person 2 opens newedenfaces.com he/she also has data on all 1200+ characters which does not depend on the choices of Person 1.
If I were to make it so that everyone gets displayed equal number of times, server has to be in charge of deciding who gets to see what. So instead of loading all characters at once it has to send 2 characters at a time, which involves one or two database calls each time someone votes, and then when they vote another 2 calls to database.
So yes it could be done. If it's possible to achieve similar performance as it is right now I will do it.
@Tanthalassa(2): I have thought about pairing high-rating with high-rating and low-rating with low rating. It's easily doable too. My only concern was it would be come a bit difficult to select who to vote for: What if you are faced with two good looking avatars, who do you choose  : http://www.newedenfaces.com/characters/916857044 vs http://www.newedenfaces.com/characters/1100933456
@Indahmawar Fazmarai: Very good points. I do like the idea of tracking median votes in order to help new characters. But for historical ranking I think it would only make sense if it had different character sets every time. Else it will be just a matter of luck who gets in the top ranking for that given week/month. Or someone would just be consistently in the Top ranking.
I'll see what I can do about the median rating matching.
if anyone else has some feedback on the ranking and voting system please do let me know. If it's significantly different (for the better) perhaps it would be a good idea to reset ratings for all characters to get everyone a fresh start.
Thanks again for all your comments!
Creator of New Eden Faces -> www.newedenfaces.com |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
189
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:42:00 -
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Too good, i can't stop!
New CQ prototype |
Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:27:00 -
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Taking down the site momentarily to push the new update:
- Bug fixes.
- Update Avatar button: it will fetch the latest image from CCP servers and store it locally in the database. For existing characters, it converts existing URLs to point to the database instead.
- Removed ELO rating completely: leaderboard is now sorted by the win/loss ratio which I find to be more accurate representation. This is a step in the right direction. The next step would be to normalize votes by the median of wins + losses. Currently the leaderboard favors new players, because they will usually have a high winning percentage, especially if it's a good looking avatar.
- Added notifications: just for the Update Avatar button for now.
Creator of New Eden Faces -> www.newedenfaces.com |
JAG Fox
GunStars
24
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:31:00 -
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Nova.. you might have a bug somewhere. I was sitting at 45/19 and I just looked and it's at 44/20? how can someone change their vote? lol..
Kisses!Foxie. |
Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:47:00 -
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JAG Fox wrote:Nova.. you might have a bug somewhere. I was sitting at 45/19 and I just looked and it's at 44/20? how can someone change their vote? lol..
I wasn't able to reproduce the bug. But yeah that shouldn't happen. There were some recent changes to how wins and losses are updated, so that hopefully fixed it.
But I did find another bug that would cause players with 0 wins or 0 losses to be ignored completely when being voted. So that should be fixed.
By the way, sorry guys for taking it down so often, this update process takes 3-4 minutes, and if there is a significant bug in the system I think it should be fixed as soon as possible.
Creator of New Eden Faces -> www.newedenfaces.com |
Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:04:00 -
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A lot of hot redheadz in here :) |
Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
107
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:34:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:it is fun. but i'm sort of convinced the system is getting abused some.
Welcome to EVE.
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Sexy Moaning
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:53:00 -
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JAG Fox wrote:Nova.. you might have a bug somewhere. I was sitting at 45/19 and I just looked and it's at 44/20? how can someone change their vote? lol..
Yes, I have the same problem. At one point I was 30:10 and after that downtime suddenly 28:83. |
DremDorun
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:11:00 -
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Nova Kierra wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:it is fun. but i'm sort of convinced the system is getting abused some. people not being honest in their voting. tsk tsk! Eurydia what makes you think that? If it's the high losses numbers, it could be, not entirely sure, be related to not having a skip button. As I've mentioned above having a skip button presents its own problems and potential abusing, but not having it people will just click random image if they don't like either avatars in order to see next results. Here's an example with Wins: 40 Losses: 245 lol
Someone really hated me showing up in top 14 highest rated a couple times :) |
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