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Hoshi	Posted - 2005.11.25 12:32:00 - [1] As a respons to a request on the game developments forum I took the time to write down the skills and stats for the new bloodlines on SiSi. Thought they might be interesting for the people here. Caldari - Achura Base Skills: Caldari Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrents, Science Base Stats: I: 8, C: 3, P: 7, M: 6, W: 6 Ancestry: Inventors - Science, Research, +4 int Monk - Navigation, Research, +2 perc, +2 will Stargazers - Engineering, Research, +1 perc, +3 mem Minmatar - Vherokior Base Skills: Minmatar Frigate, Small Projectile Turret, Industry Base Stats: I: 7, C: 8, P: 4, M: 8, W: 3 Ancestry: Drifters - Navigation, Refining, +2 int, +2 perc Mystics - Learning, Refining, +1 int, +3 will Retailers - Trade, Refining, +1 char, +3 mem Amarr - Khanid Base Skills: Amarr Frigate, Small Energy Turret, Gunnery Base Stats: I: 5, C: 5, P: 9, M: 3, W: 8 Ancestry: Cyber Knights - Small Energy Turrent, Controlled Bursts, +4 perc Unionists - Social, Controlled Bursts, +2 int, +2 perc Zelots - Leadership, Controlled Bursts, +2 mem, +2 will Gallante - Jin-Mei Base Skills: Gallante Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrent, Leadership Base Stats: I: 5, C: 7, P: 6, M: 5, W: 7 Ancestry: Sang Do Caste - Leadership, Learning, +1 char, +3 will Saan Go Caste - Social, Learning, +2 int, +2 mem Jing Ko Caste - Gunnery, Learning, +4 perc Seems to me a Caldari Achura Monk is the best ronded char you can get now. Put 2 points in mem and 1 in int and you will have. Int: 9 Char: 3 Perc: 9 Mem: 8 Will: 8 The Amarr one might be interesting for pure combat chars as well.
Mamarto	Posted - 2005.11.25 14:25:00 - [2] If I were to start a new PvP character now, that exact Achura monk would definitely be my starting setup. I wish that was how my curretn character had started out.
Kamoris	Posted - 2005.11.25 15:12:00 - [3] Heh thats new caldari bloodline will be very popoluar. Excellent ballance for pvp character :D
Ashraaf	Posted - 2005.11.25 15:48:00 - [4] Gallante Saan Go have a very good stat for a generalist character
Orvy	Posted - 2005.11.25 15:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Orvy on 25/11/2005 15:53:17 Achura monk is at huge advantage comparing to other races. Guess majority of the new players will be Caldari. Khanid Cyber Knight is quite interesting as well though, 16 starting perception is quite nice ______________________________________________ Fighting for perfection of sweets recepies
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.11.25 16:18:00 - [6] The Achura Monk will be the most popular character ever. Period. It should be nerfed. ---
Cadiz	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:58:00 - [7] That Achura Monk is going to be the new Sebiestor Rebel - all-purpose awesomeness. Urge to get second account rising! That side, the Khanid Unionists have potential for a more rounded character that still has teh pwnz0r Perception, although the low Memory is going to make thrashing out the initial learning skills a miserable experience. I personally wouldn't go the Cyber Knight path simply because I hate all my int/mem support & fitting skills taking forever to train, although I suppose you could probably get away with not putting any starting points into Perception then...hrm.
James Baker	Posted - 2005.11.25 19:29:00 - [8] Something is just plain wrong here. So 80% of Eve's new chars will be fake Caldaris? As if adding those new bloodlines isn't wrong enough from a semi-rp perspective, they're heavily imbalanced and have extremely *** names! Stargazer = Daydreamer = Gallente != Caldari Cyber Knights? Whoever came up with that? At least there was some down to earth feeling about the existing ancestries, whereas this has absolutely no class and seems to appeal more to Japanese pop culture (and no, nothing wrong with Japanese pop culture - it's just not Eve) than it seems to be based around expanding the existing backstory. Fortunately I have 2.5 years advance on the newcomers, because that Achura Monk looks to have some killer attributes. I'm well and truely dissapointed. JB
Cadiz	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:54:00 - [9] Edited by: Cadiz on 26/11/2005 01:05:10 Originally by: James Baker Stargazer = Daydreamer = Gallente != Caldari Oooor it could be stargazer = astronomer = scientist = QUITE Caldari. Stargazer can mean both daydreamer and astronomer, and frankly, the second makes a lot more sense in this case. As for Cyber Knights, perhaps there was/is a Holder warrior class within Khanid society. Would make sense, considering the supposed martial prowess of the Khanids. As Holders they'd have all sorts of demi-cybernetic implants, and as a warrior class no small number of thse would probably be dedicated to the improvement of one's capabilty in combat, so...it's probably just a matter of nomenclature more than anything. Landed Khanid nobility who serve their superiors through military service, blessed with unique & fancy implants as a mark of their station. Still, some of the potential stat setups on these new bloodlines are evil. I'm not going to deny that. And why do they even bother with more low-perc races, anyways? Even a carebear alt is going to have to do a fair degree of ship training (Gallente V for the Itty V, Mining Barge V for large barges, so on so forth)...although I suppose you could make a decent generalist out of a Vherokior with a Drifter background and 3 points into Perception off the bat if you felt so inclined. Just as long as you didn't want to train any t2 piloting skills.
Jalia Kovac	Posted - 2005.11.26 04:00:00 - [10] Edited by: Jalia Kovac on 26/11/2005 04:00:03 Still have no idea why the new Gallente caste isn't the Mannar. From memory, there's virtually no canon information on them at all so there wouldn't have been any problem giving them an asiatic flavour anyway.
Stephen HB	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:03:00 - [11] Achura Monk > all -- Originally by: Nyphur The irony is astounding. The sheer level of raw irony here is enough to iron my clothes for a year. EVE Tracking Guide
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:56:00 - [12] Guess I can't complain much about being Brutor cause I just can't get down with this new "Vherokior"... Like was said above.. Thank god for the 25 million SP gap between me and them... --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.11.26 13:03:00 - [13] omg. they are introducing an uber type (achura monk). how unfair is that - i wouldn't like them to any better or worse than the existing ones. if they wanted to have newer, better ones, they should allow people to change. as thats complete RP bolox, it ent gonna happen, so the new types should be balanced with the old.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.11.26 13:21:00 - [14] Was the character creation available for these bloodlines on SiSi (before it went down)? I wanna mess around with portraits __________________ Retard's handbook
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.11.26 14:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Jalia Kovac Edited by: Jalia Kovac on 26/11/2005 04:00:03 Still have no idea why the new Gallente caste isn't the Mannar. From memory, there's virtually no canon information on them at all so there wouldn't have been any problem giving them an asiatic flavour anyway. ' I agree, id much rather see Mannar then Jinmei, why on earth create a 4th, previously unknown bloodline when theres 3rd unused bloodline in the prime fiction... These bloodlines seem to have pretty damn good starting attribute. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.26 18:52:00 - [16] Edited by: j0sephine on 26/11/2005 18:52:58 Meh, all the crying about "uber stats" and whatnot... the idea of what's "the best" attributes for a character changed quite a few times over the course of the game, if i remember right. Usually due to vast changes to game mechanics, introduction of new skills, new modules, changes to skill requirements and other stuff. any min-maxer complaining now about the "uber Achura" is given to cry just as much x months down the road because their "most uberest" flavour-of-the-expansion build takes ages to train anything charisma related, and there's suddenly bunch of charisma based stuff added to the game that influences everything from agent running to PvP... >>;;
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.11.26 19:31:00 - [17] i wonder why make caldari even more popular when they are a majority of eve anyway --------------------------------------------- Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
Toman'Torax	Posted - 2005.11.26 21:09:00 - [18] Silly question, but when will these new bloodlines be available?
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.11.26 21:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Toman'Torax Silly question, but when will these new bloodlines be available? december --------------------------------------------- Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
ShadowStrike	Posted - 2005.11.26 21:21:00 - [20] Achura Inventors will be uber scientists too! and if i'm right, the chinise will have these new bloodlines along the others right from their start, i think that over 90% of the chinise players will be Caldari Achura ┌-------------------------------------------------┐ ª You currently have 34,287,435 Brain Cells ª └-------------------------------------------------┘
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.11.26 22:41:00 - [21] Originally by: ShadowStrike Achura Inventors will be uber scientists too! and if i'm right, the chinise will have these new bloodlines along the others right from their start, i think that over 90% of the chinise players will be Caldari Achura Wouldn't count on it. Given the number of times we see 'omg why didn't anyone tell me that charisma wasn't a good stat to max' posts.
Nyaari Sharenti	Posted - 2005.11.26 23:25:00 - [22] Being one who just started playing the game about a month ago and is on his 2nd character after his first ended up with a base perc of 4, these uber new bloodlines bother the hell out of me. If I could have waited 2 more months, I would have had a character with much more balanced stats than I have now. While my stats my not be radically off from what I could have had, 3 more perc instead of will would have been a much better choice. I just wonder if a month head start is worth keeping or if, in the long run, I would be better off taking another trip to the biomass. Maybe perc will be nerfed so it's not so far and away the best skill for pvp?
Hoshi	Posted - 2005.11.27 00:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Professor McFly Was the character creation available for these bloodlines on SiSi (before it went down)? I wanna mess around with portraits At the time I started this thread the new character models where not in. Have not checked since.
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.11.27 18:56:00 - [24] with Monk i got: 9 3 11 8 8 hows that for balance --------------------------------------------- Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:38:00 - [25] The Achura is totally overpowered! NERF!!! Still, there are absolutely no drawbacks to this char for PvP until you start messing with Leadership skills. A bit unbalanced IMHO. Recruiting
Cadiz	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Cadiz on 27/11/2005 23:54:00 The Achura Monk is a bit ridiculous, but is it that much worse than, say, a Sebiestor Rebel setup? Easy enough to get Int 9-10, Cha 6, Per 10-11, Mem 6, and Will 7. Pretty much the same values in the two prime fields of Intelligence and Perception, and a bit more rounded Charisma to boot (useful for those leadership skills and mission runners). The more I think about it, though...now that we have the Amarr Khanid, what's the point of having Minmatar Brutors beyond their l33t sunglasses and dreadlocks?
Double TaP	Posted - 2005.11.28 00:12:00 - [27] Trust me, some things will be changed with the achuras. Ive gone through the character building process with Achuras and came started with science level V. do you really think the devs will let that happen? On a different note, i think ccp would be very very wise to do that second account special like they did last year. You get a second account for 6 months half price or something. Would be very very popular amoung older players who want to try the new races, and newer people who are wondering why the older players have 2nd accounts. I have 2 accounts personally and will probably start a 3rd when this patch hits . With one of the new bloodlines of course.
Dae Han	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:13:00 - [28] I am guessing that Achura=Japanese, Jin-Mei=Chinese, Khanid=Iran/Persian/Middle East. But what people/country or region of the world does the Vherokior represent?
Evil Thug	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:58:00 - [29] Quote: Amarr - Khanid Base Skills: Amarr Frigate, Small Energy Turret, Gunnery Base Stats: I: 5, C: 5, P: 9, M: 3, W: 8 Ancestry: Cyber Knights - Small Energy Turrent, Controlled Bursts, +4 perc 0_o. 16 starting perception. This is about 33 perc with maxxed learning skills and +4 perc imp. Very nice. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Zwotte	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:05:00 - [30] I don't get it. With the current Amarr chars you can get similar stats. I have a second char with the following base atributes. intel 8 percep 7 charisma 3 Willpower 15 mem 6 Not as good a 16 perception but close.
Blind Man	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:35:00 - [31] Originally by: HippoKing omg. they are introducing an uber type (achura monk). how unfair is that - i wouldn't like them to any better or worse than the existing ones. if they wanted to have newer, better ones, they should allow people to change. as thats complete RP bolox, it ent gonna happen, so the new types should be balanced with the old. qft..
Deacan Wildfire	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:36:00 - [32] I'll certainly be firing up another account for these, been holding off an alt until the new bloodlines and now I'm pretty glad I did ;)
Rodge	Posted - 2005.12.07 17:22:00 - [33] The Caldari Achura Monk is a bit ridiculous. I don't mind if they create a class like this that is "the best" starting setup, but why make it Caldari? Surely if they made it Minmatar or Amarr, then those respective areas of space may take the brunt of the new characters. Rather than having even more people born in Caldari space, many of whom will never ever leave. CCP can't ever complain about areas like Caldari space being overpopulated if the Achura Monk comes in like this.... [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Lama Zpiff	Posted - 2005.12.07 17:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Rodge CCP can't ever complain about areas like Caldari space being overpopulated if the Achura Monk comes in like this.... Signed for truth
Karl Shade	Posted - 2005.12.08 03:59:00 - [35] Now, while the ashura looks to be prime material for a pirate alt , I don¦t think that this will influence new players quite as much as many seem to fear. Most new players that I¦ve spoken to chose their characters based on looks and descriptions, advanced characters with specific tasks in mind being much more common with older players who already have a good feel for what they want their char to accomplish.
Maxximuss	Posted - 2005.12.08 08:42:00 - [36] Hi, I just started this alt and was looking at going pirate with it My attributes right now are: Intel: 10 (trained +4) Perc: 16 (trained +1) Char: 6 Will: 10 (trained +1) Mem: 8 (trained +4) Learning (trained +4) Should I start over with a new bloodline char? This is my first alt, he's 3 weeks old. I need some advice now, don't know what to do anymore Thanks
Rodge	Posted - 2005.12.08 15:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Maxximuss Hi, I just started this alt and was looking at going pirate with it My attributes right now are: Intel: 10 (trained +4) Perc: 16 (trained +1) Char: 6 Will: 10 (trained +1) Mem: 8 (trained +4) Learning (trained +4) Should I start over with a new bloodline char? This is my first alt, he's 3 weeks old. I need some advice now, don't know what to do anymore Thanks Nope, don't reroll. That's a very nice starting stats lineup. Good balance of stats, with perc being nicely higher that the others. Wish my base stats were like that..... (20 perc with clarity 5 and a +3 implant....) The new bloodlines won't be available for ages anyway, and you'd be losing a lot of training time in waiting for them. [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Maxximuss	Posted - 2005.12.08 17:01:00 - [38] Hi Rodge, That's what I wanted to know. But you say 20 Perception with clarity 5 and +3 implant. I have 16 Perception now, with only +1 trained. My base Perc attribute was 15. That would mean 25 with Clarity max'd at lvl5 and 28 if I'd add a +3 implant. On the other hand, I won't be a clever scientist, but I don't care at all I try to go without implants, maxing out my learning skills to start with, I guess I will get blown away quite a lot as I don't know any other Pirates/Evil Corps yet and have everything to learn So I won't be pirating for some time until the learnings are complete Thanks for answering Rodge
Lenil Star	Posted - 2005.12.08 17:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Rodge The new bloodlines won't be available for ages anyway, and you'd be losing a lot of training time in waiting for them. Ages? RMR is out this month.
Amarria Lightwielder	Posted - 2005.12.08 17:12:00 - [40] Edited by: Amarria Lightwielder on 08/12/2005 17:12:36 when the new bloodlines are out I'll have to make yet another char :) though I wont care _that_ much about attributes, I really wonder how the portraits will be like! :D
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.12.10 16:52:00 - [41] I wish we could get a little taste of what the portraits would look like. I guess it'll be out soon enough. Still, I was always the kid who peeked at the Christmas presents ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Janus Ovellian	Posted - 2005.12.11 22:25:00 - [42] Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 11/12/2005 22:28:50 Originally by: Dae Han I am guessing that Achura=Japanese, Jin-Mei=Chinese, Khanid=Iran/Persian/Middle East. But what people/country or region of the world does the Vherokior represent? I would imagine that we're talking Golden Horde here - catapulting a certain mr khan's extended family into the depths of space. Even if for no other reasons than that the matari are traditionally viewed as savage, and the literature tells us we've got a similar climate on Matar to that of (variably) rich fertile farmland plains and siberia, depending on where exactly on the planet you are. Not that much of a stretch for the imagination from Mongolia I don't think. Although, I must admit, I've never been there myself. Interesting times await...
Arleonenis	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:40:00 - [43] CCP should allow us to change our portrait once for free when RMR hits, i want new asian face... I think attributes would be to much but portraits? i think it isnt to much to ask what do you think?
Longasc	Posted - 2005.12.14 16:27:00 - [44] I can understand why they gave the Khanid some crazy high perception stats. To attract some people to Amarr Space perhaps, its undersettled! But WHY are the ACHURA so damn attractive. Are there not already MUCH TOO MUCH Caldari? Doh!
VaderDSL	Posted - 2005.12.14 19:28:00 - [45] You all know the new Bloodlines are not coming in with Red Moon Rising don't you? They're being released in their own patch come January
warlordfate	Posted - 2005.12.14 20:42:00 - [46] i cant wait for the new bloodlines ive been wanting a 2nd character i can train better than the one i have had since july 2003 i made a lot of mistakes crosstraining in skills i didnt need because the game kept expanding and i changed directions again and again. plus i think this can close the gap between us old players and new players comming online i think its a bit unfair that new players cant compete with older players just because they happened to play the game earlier. although making just one race uber is a little shortsighted. AMARR FTW
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.12.14 21:41:00 - [47] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 26/11/2005 18:52:58 Meh, all the crying about "uber stats" and whatnot... the idea of what's "the best" attributes for a character changed quite a few times over the course of the game, if i remember right. Usually due to vast changes to game mechanics, introduction of new skills, new modules, changes to skill requirements and other stuff. any min-maxer complaining now about the "uber Achura" is given to cry just as much x months down the road because their "most uberest" flavour-of-the-expansion build takes ages to train anything charisma related, and there's suddenly bunch of charisma based stuff added to the game that influences everything from agent running to PvP... >>;; QFT - QFE - PWN Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
kebab v2	Posted - 2005.12.15 12:08:00 - [48] Originally by: VaderDSL You all know the new Bloodlines are not coming in with Red Moon Rising don't you? They're being released in their own patch come January godamit when did they add that bit of gold text i was really hoping too start my uber pvp monk tonight.
Draaken	Posted - 2005.12.15 12:41:00 - [49] Intelligence: 8 Perception: 8 Charisma: 8 Willpower: 7 Memory: 8 That's the starting attributes for one of my alts. It'll easily pwn any Achura Monk on the med and long run, so what's with all the whining about "omgwtfnber" char?! Get a grip on yourselves and listen to j0sephine... ____________________
Rathers	Posted - 2005.12.15 12:57:00 - [50] Intelligence8 Perception8 Charisma8 Willpower9 Memory 7 And thats the base attributes for my Amarr The Caldari isnt that special!
Cadiz	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:48:00 - [51] Edited by: Cadiz on 15/12/2005 15:48:23 Originally by: Draaken Intelligence: 8 Perception: 8 Charisma: 8 Willpower: 7 Memory: 8 That's the starting attributes for one of my alts. It'll easily pwn any Achura Monk on the med and long run, so what's with all the whining about "omgwtfnber" char?! Get a grip on yourselves and listen to j0sephine... Intaki Artist, eh? When I was crunching stats out for every race a week or two ago (was trying to figure out initial builds for some friends who wanted to play), I came up with that one too. Found it quite pleasing, actually. I still prefer the Sebiestor Rebel, though...ah, the joys of having both 10 Intelligence and Perception while still having 6 - 7 in all your other stats.
Laughlyn Vaughns	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:57:00 - [52] yer i thought the Mad Monks was available tonight, thats what is listed in the patch notes. will probs be a shocking agent runner but it will kill stuff pretty well. i agree amarr space is pretty deserted in sum parts, Tash-Murkon was always quiet when i go through there.
Aarn Khaar	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:28:00 - [53] Originally by: James Baker Something is just plain wrong here. So 80% of Eve's new chars will be fake Caldaris? As if adding those new bloodlines isn't wrong enough from a semi-rp perspective, they're heavily imbalanced and have extremely *** names! Stargazer = Daydreamer = Gallente != Caldari JB I agree. I understand why they put a social aspect for the Gallente Asian bloodlines but the Gallente are just as much scientists as they are socialites. Most of the great technologies: improved Drones, FTL Communication, etc... has come from the Gallente Federation. Most of the technological prowess and abilities of the Caldari have been acquired(from Jovian) not rightfully discovered. They shouldnt be given the title of Inventor or Stargazers.
Draaken	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Cadiz Intaki Artist, eh? No, it's a Sebiestor. ____________________
Luzon Ziming	Posted - 2005.12.17 06:06:00 - [55] Bumping for Usefulness!
Deileon	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Draaken Intelligence: 8 Perception: 8 Charisma: 8 Willpower: 7 Memory: 8 That's the starting attributes for one of my alts. It'll easily pwn any Achura Monk on the med and long run, so what's with all the whining about "omgwtfnber" char?! The med and long run? Is that the magical time when having 8 base charisma "PWN"s everyone else? The new Caldari is sick, and the new Amarr is almost sicker. And 8 base charisma? It can't even "PWN" itself. They say bananas are a dish best served cold...
Whym	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:40:00 - [57] I am planning to start EVE with one of the new bloodlines in January. I am trying to decide which one and the one I am learning toward most at the moment is a heavily perception-maxed Khanid Cyberknight. His base attributes would be the following: 16 - Perception 8 - Willpower 5 - Memory 5 - Intelligence 5 - Charisma As you can see it is a bit extreme. The charecter is planned to be a balanced combat charecter. He won't go far into industry or research. The idea behind raising perception so high is that a majority of his skills use perception as their main. And quite a few others have perception as a secondary. I want a combat charecter that can learn a diverse selection of ships and weaponry. Also, ship and weapons skills are some of the highest rank skills in the game and thus perception benefits them a bit more than other skills. Esspecially for a combat pilot. In addition to that Navigation and Drones each have perception as a secondary. Even with the primary at 5 and secondary at 16... this can also be the equivilant of having a primary of 8 and a secondary of 10... which is a fairly balanced skill set. Now, mechanics I likely won't need more than 3 skills from. And they are ranks 1 and 2. The big pain will be engineering and electronics which I plan to take many skills from... but the majority of those are rank 1-3 thankfully. But before I do that I will be getting learning skills. 5 memory and 5 intelligence will make those a pain! However my solution for that is before the new bloodlines come out I will try to save up for +3 implants to mem and int. Basically giving me 8 in each (and almost doubling the learning speed). With the learning skills brought up to about +9 total... it will do a lot towards giving me an obscene amount of perception and a balanced set for the rest. From the calculations I've done it saves a lot of time in the long run even if I stick to only one empire's ships (unless I wanted to go deep into industry or research... which I don't. Just getting a few basic skills like mining and refining will make me happy)
Hoshi	Posted - 2005.12.18 09:35:00 - [58] That 5 int is going to hurt a lot even after your training skills are finished. Take a look at the Engineering and Electronics skills, they are all things a combat pilot need and they all have int as primary attrib.
Whym	Posted - 2005.12.18 09:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Hoshi That 5 int is going to hurt a lot even after your training skills are finished. Take a look at the Engineering and Electronics skills, they are all things a combat pilot need and they all have int as primary attrib. Yeah I know... its making me wince quite a bit as I think about it. I do plan to get a ton of the engineering and electronics skills. But most of the ones I want/need are rank 1-3. Far less rank than my perception skills. That part of the road will be slow but the gain in perception (due to the enormous rank of some of em) will be worth it... I hope. I do plan to have a +3 int +3mem implant when I begin. Will probably do engineering and electronics right after I get the learning skills up quite a bit. The theoretical 'cap' for my skills from what I understand (with +4 implants) is something like. 33 perception 24 willpower 21 for the rest. I likely won't get up that high since I won't be using +4 implants unless jump clones work nicely and I am making lots of isk. And I doubt I will be getting the rank 5 of advanced learning skills. In all honesty. At the moment I am torn between this build and the caldari bloodline monk build coming up. That one would be 12 perception 3 charisma and 8 for the rest. Its a lot more balanced but... dosn't seem as 'fun' to me. I am leaning toward the Amarr one (the first one I listed) but it will likely boil down which looks better when I create the charecter.
Loktane	Posted - 2006.03.01 12:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Rodge The Caldari Achura Monk is a bit ridiculous. I don't mind if they create a class like this that is "the best" starting setup, but why make it Caldari? Surely if they made it Minmatar or Amarr, then those respective areas of space may take the brunt of the new characters. Rather than having even more people born in Caldari space, many of whom will never ever leave. CCP can't ever complain about areas like Caldari space being overpopulated if the Achura Monk comes in like this.... Very true. It should have been Amarr imho.. Somehow I think some dev (or maybe some more) personally like Caldari a lot.
Leomund Sardis	Posted - 2006.03.01 14:16:00 - [61] Necromancy!
Rachag	Posted - 2006.03.01 16:27:00 - [62] brought back from the dead just in time. Achura here i come!
Helios Isikari	Posted - 2006.03.01 16:44:00 - [63] Damn that Achura Monk looks really cool, although instead of making it that well-rounded i'd put a point less into mem/will making them seven and more into perc/intel to make them ten if thats possible. The low charisma rocks as it would be an alt and any gang - leader skills needed would be on my main. Those really are killer stats, as has been said before the urge to open a second account is getting stronger! ~ Helios Isikari: Space Ninja Extraordinaire
ceaon	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Hoshi As a respons to a request on the game developments forum I took the time to write down the skills and stats for the new bloodlines on SiSi. Thought they might be interesting for the people here. Caldari - Achura Base Skills: Caldari Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrents, Science Base Stats: I: 8, C: 3, P: 7, M: 6, W: 6 Ancestry: Inventors - Science, Research, +4 int Monk - Navigation, Research, +2 perc, +2 will Stargazers - Engineering, Research, +1 perc, +3 mem Minmatar - Vherokior Base Skills: Minmatar Frigate, Small Projectile Turret, Industry Base Stats: I: 7, C: 8, P: 4, M: 8, W: 3 Ancestry: Drifters - Navigation, Refining, +2 int, +2 perc Mystics - Learning, Refining, +1 int, +3 will Retailers - Trade, Refining, +1 char, +3 mem Amarr - Khanid Base Skills: Amarr Frigate, Small Energy Turret, Gunnery Base Stats: I: 5, C: 5, P: 9, M: 3, W: 8 Ancestry: Cyber Knights - Small Energy Turrent, Controlled Bursts, +4 perc Unionists - Social, Controlled Bursts, +2 int, +2 perc Zelots - Leadership, Controlled Bursts, +2 mem, +2 will Gallante - Jin-Mei Base Skills: Gallante Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrent, Leadership Base Stats: I: 5, C: 7, P: 6, M: 5, W: 7 Ancestry: Sang Do Caste - Leadership, Learning, +1 char, +3 will Saan Go Caste - Social, Learning, +2 int, +2 mem Jing Ko Caste - Gunnery, Learning, +4 perc Seems to me a Caldari Achura Monk is the best ronded char you can get now. Put 2 points in mem and 1 in int and you will have. Int: 9 Char: 3 Perc: 9 Mem: 8 Will: 8 The Amarr one might be interesting for pure combat chars as well. i am new on game can u tell me what means al that ? Sang Do Caste Saan Go Caste Jing Ko Caste etc ===============================
Mather Maelstrom	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 02/03/2006 20:03:10 Within 3 months from now my Gallente PvP character (the charisma the scar on my character) will be overtaken by the new uber Caldari monk: "Hahahahaha I am ubel new PvP playa. I ransom you ok? Me kill you ovel and ovel if you not send me isk." There is but 1 good fix to the whole imbalance and craziness, change more skills to need charisma or even better remove charisma completely and distribute those points over other attributes. Probably just staying like this or small fix (adding more charisma to the character). Oh and yes I prefer to see Manar the way all of the sudden 4 asian races show up (now if the majority of caladri would exist of asians that would work for me). This is imo just blow to RP and the eve world. //No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\
Duradam	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:00:00 - [66] So I take it these are more totoal starting atributes than original chars had? Or is it just the distrabution of points that makes these chars desireable?
Irene Jacob	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:05:00 - [67] Just the distribution differs.
Duradam	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:08:00 - [68] Then I'm inclined to keep my current char, at all of 3 days old- I liked the rp details of the empire I choose, and who knows, some day I might be glad I didn't start with 3 charisma :)
Keyrn Araknor	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:05:00 - [69] As much as the Achura Monk is "omg godly" I'm frankly sick of caldari space, and I've always wanted to try an amarr. Therefore my choice is the cyber knight. I wouldnt be too worried about everyone going Achura, people dont always base their choice on the best character class, some base it on the background rp or they way the look (I picked my intaki character because she was teh hotness, plus she could minmax int/mem the best).
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:37:00 - [70] Originally by: ceaon i am new on game can u tell me what means al that ? Sang Do Caste Saan Go Caste Jing Ko Caste etc Just a choice you make at char creation (after you choose bloodline) that gives you slightly different attributs depending on which you choose. The name is really irrelevant and other than the attributes this choice have no impact on your future game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VeNT	Posted - 2006.03.02 23:11:00 - [71] anyone want to give us some good builds with these for fast start chars, ie fast start missions/minging/pvp etc? -------------------- You'll never take my Sig Alive mods! DEATH OR GLORY! Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Tennyson 4tw! ~kieron
Amie AsteroidKiller	Posted - 2006.03.03 00:41:00 - [72] Well, I've got my 15 intellegent, science 5 Caldari. But I also managed gunnery 5, small energy turret 4 on the new amarr to start :). For a starting value of 303K. And also the galleante started with gunnery 5, but only small hybrid 3. Great new bloodlines, very nice starting stats.
Dr Lemmingood	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Amie AsteroidKiller Well, I've got my 15 intellegent, science 5 Caldari. But I also managed gunnery 5, small energy turret 4 on the new amarr to start :). For a starting value of 303K. And also the galleante started with gunnery 5, but only small hybrid 3. The achura will be the tech 2 researcher alt of choice. science 5 at start is perhaps a bit too much. For the amarr and gallente, I still try to figure how you managed to get the gunnery 5. I can't get it higher than 4.
Voraus Ishbahl	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:39:00 - [74] Edited by: Voraus Ishbahl on 03/03/2006 03:40:27 Originally by: Dr Lemmingood The achura will be the tech 2 researcher alt of choice. science 5 at start is perhaps a bit too much. For the amarr and gallente, I still try to figure how you managed to get the gunnery 5. I can't get it higher than 4. It's a skill bug. Try this to recreate the extra Gunnery skill level bug for Khanid. Cyber Knights > Imperial Academy > Gunnery department then the field and specialty for both Gunnery and Small Energy Turret. Then log in with that character and check your skill sheet. Gunnery 5.
ElweSingollo	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:30:00 - [75] HAve a new Khanid character and can confirm your get Gunnery 5 and small laser 4 the other skils are all low but thats a pretty good skill to have for a combat character straight of the bat..... I nsaying that the next 2 months for my one will be spent doing learning skills then getting the skills needed to get good for t2 amarr frigs.
Voraus Ishbahl	Posted - 2006.03.03 06:11:00 - [76] Originally by: ElweSingollo HAve a new Khanid character and can confirm your get Gunnery 5 and small laser 4 How did you get it? What Department, Field, and Specialty did you choose? Cause something is not adding up. Bloodline + Department + Field + Specialty = Gunnery 4 None of the Khanid's Ancestries give a skill level to Gunnery. Unless it is some typo or one of the Gunnery skill choices add two to Gunnery. And keep in mind I only got it up to Gunnery 4 and still got Gunnery 5 after checking skill sheet.
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2006.03.03 11:01:00 - [77] I so wanted another minmar char, for mining and hauling, but after looking at the Achura monk stats i just dont see how i can not chose them. All my 2nd acount will do is mine and one day fly tec2 indys and, I see people have played around with cahr creation for the other 3 races but what is the best you can get for minmar? ---------------------------------------------- This signature is 400x120 pixels and 23.257 bytes. Happy now? Actually it's 21793 bytes, but anyway, we're ecstatic - dah mods
Marauder EG	Posted - 2006.03.03 11:37:00 - [78] I heard that it is possible to create Achura with frig 5 at the start. How can it be done?
Calleb	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Hoshi Caldari - Achura Base Skills: Caldari Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrents, Science Base Stats: I: 8, C: 3, P: 7, M: 6, W: 6 Ancestry: Inventors - Science, Research, +4 int Monk - Navigation, Research, +2 perc, +2 will Stargazers - Engineering, Research, +1 perc, +3 mem Lets not overlook the stargazer too By adding 1 to intell 1 to perception and 1 to willpower you could get :- Int: 9 Char: 3 Perc: 9 Mem: 9 Will: 7 A better roll with the extra point on memory. Either way round in 12 months most players will be Caldari without a doubt. (ps. Its over 2 years since i started a character so I am not sure if I could add the extra points this way)
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:42:00 - [80] Could people post what they are getting for skills and attributes for the new Blodlines. In anouther forum is said these stats have changed some. Thanks.
Scake	Posted - 2006.03.03 16:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Calleb Originally by: Hoshi Caldari - Achura Base Skills: Caldari Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrents, Science Base Stats: I: 8, C: 3, P: 7, M: 6, W: 6 Ancestry: Inventors - Science, Research, +4 int Monk - Navigation, Research, +2 perc, +2 will Stargazers - Engineering, Research, +1 perc, +3 mem Lets not overlook the stargazer too By adding 1 to intell 1 to perception and 1 to willpower you could get :- Int: 9 Char: 3 Perc: 9 Mem: 9 Will: 7 A better roll with the extra point on memory. Either way round in 12 months most players will be Caldari without a doubt. (ps. Its over 2 years since i started a character so I am not sure if I could add the extra points this way) That's definitely a waste of points on memory, would be much better off dropping it to 6, 7 at the highest and raising perc/willpower or perc/intell a little depending on what's planned for the char skill wise.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:02:00 - [82] Originally by: Double TaP Trust me, some things will be changed with the achuras. Ive gone through the character building process with Achuras and came started with science level V. do you really think the devs will let that happen? Oh yes they did. --- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait"
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Double TaP Trust me, some things will be changed with the achuras. Ive gone through the character building process with Achuras and came started with science level V. do you really think the devs will let that happen? Oh yes they did. --- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can oEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums

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