I'm just going to add this in here and let people run with it.

One of the things I like about SC is you don't get a new ship when you die. In fact, you don't get a ship when you start out (unless if you pay for one with real $ or run through the military and buy one after x amount of missions). So, it's highly possible you can play the entire SC game without owning a ship. Like instead of owning a ship, you can just work with someone on another ship.
(BTW, like EVE. There is a ship insurance. Unlike EVE, there are already restrictions on when it will be used. Below is a quote from RSI (the makers of SC)
"Insurance may be temporarily suspended for ships with outstanding bounties.Proven cases of insurance fraud will result in invalidation of insurance on that ship and may result in large in-game fines.")
Also, unlike EVE. You can lose your ship in other ways of PVP/E. You can run out of fuel, people can take over your ship, someone can take out your engines, etc. So between the 2. You have a higher likely of losing a ship (based on what we know so far)


Then to top it off, there is a rating system like on ebay. If you suck at working on a ship, people will rate you low (you can also rate them low). But, this means no one will hire you if you suck. So... thats the end of your game.
(I think an example of the rating system is freelancer.com. If I hire someone and they suck. I can give them a super low rating, and they most likely won't get another job. (I've done that, and that has happen to some people that I gave low ratings too))


While on EVE you have a no ship no problem. You just get another ship. In fact, you can suck at whatever, and you can just keep getting new ships. Of course word can get around, and that may keep people from playing with you. But, since there is rating system, there is no word to mouth and your employment history. (I'm not talking about joining a corp. I'm talking about doing whatever with a group or corp.)
People says EVE doesn't hold your hand and it's like RL. Well what I said above is how EVE holds your hand.

Free noob ships and ship insurance isn't hand holding.

And you speak as if SC already exists. I wish I had the guts to argue an existing games features vs a proposed game's wishlist lol.

I'm just going to add this in here and let people run with it.

One of the things I like about SC is you don't get a new ship when you die. In fact, you don't get a ship when you start out (unless if you pay for one with real $ or run through the military and buy one after x amount of missions). So, it's highly possible you can play the entire SC game without owning a ship. Like instead of owning a ship, you can just work with someone on another ship.
(BTW, like EVE. There is a ship insurance. Unlike EVE, there are already restrictions on when it will be used. Below is a quote from RSI (the makers of SC)
"Insurance may be temporarily suspended for ships with outstanding bounties.Proven cases of insurance fraud will result in invalidation of insurance on that ship and may result in large in-game fines.")
Also, unlike EVE. You can lose your ship in other ways of PVP/E. You can run out of fuel, people can take over your ship, someone can take out your engines, etc. So between the 2. You have a higher likely of losing a ship (based on what we know so far)


Then to top it off, there is a rating system like on ebay. If you suck at working on a ship, people will rate you low (you can also rate them low). But, this means no one will hire you if you suck. So... thats the end of your game.
(I think an example of the rating system is freelancer.com. If I hire someone and they suck. I can give them a super low rating, and they most likely won't get another job. (I've done that, and that has happen to some people that I gave low ratings too))


While on EVE you have a no ship no problem. You just get another ship. In fact, you can suck at whatever, and you can just keep getting new ships. Of course word can get around, and that may keep people from playing with you. But, since there is rating system, there is no word to mouth and your employment history. (I'm not talking about joining a corp. I'm talking about doing whatever with a group or corp.)
People says EVE doesn't hold your hand and it's like RL. Well what I said above is how EVE holds your hand.

Anything that doesn't involve the player undocking dying instantly to someone, and logging out because they can't do anything is hand holding.

Pay 2 win is enabled just like eve and league of legends

EvE is a time sink. These time sinks exist when the lonely, the unemployed or disabled have nothing else to do (otherwise people wouldn't need these games as time sinks, just amusement and in a healthier environment).

If Star Citizen delivers, the people who move over are those most affected by avatar gameplay. Personally I've always wanted to be able to control my own ship, swoop around my enemies the way I want to instead of clicking an orbit/approach/keep at range button etc. So if SC pulls it off, I'll probably put EVE on the shelf.

It doesn't mean EVE is bad. Just that EVE is ship-perspective and SC is person-perspective. It's just flavor.

Has anyone here pledged? What ship did you get? I'm thinking about getting either the Aegis Dynamics Avenger or just a simple RSI Aurora.

I pledge the $45, so I got the Aurora and alpha/beta access. Still downloading the hanger mod released today.

I don't see how this game will kill Eve. Most MMO players play multiple games. I also play Entropia Universe and Star Trek Online and (somewhat shamefully) played POTBS and Evony. I know many who also play WoW, WOT and others. I actually heard about Eve while playing EU from players there that had Eve accounts and jumped back and forth. It won't kill anything, except space on people's computers for all the games they have lined up.

The only thing that will kill Eve is Eve (well, CCP anyway)

Hm... I'm going to take a look at it when it comes out, of course... but I guess the small scale the game will work on alone will make it no competitor to EVE.

Has anyone here pledged? What ship did you get? I'm thinking about getting either the Aegis Dynamics Avenger or just a simple RSI Aurora.

At present I own a 325a (the interceptor version of the 300i), an M50 and a Freelancer.

For those that have pledged at least the $30 Digital Scout package, the Hangar module has gone live yesterday, allowing you to log into your hangar, and walk around your ships (those few that are done at least) and interact with them.

The fitting screen is a bit clunky at the moment, but I managed to fit my 300i (there's a bug with 325a upgrades not showing atm) with a pair of much larger lasers from the Freelancer, and move one of its default lasers to the nose cannon mount. :)

Surprisingly intuitive once you get used to it, although a bit clunky with a first person click and drag interface and a really low framerate. :D Sitting in those ships though, walking around them, and taking screenshots is quite something.

Thought the ships are rather tiny compared to EVEs monolithic combat vessels.

Refit 300i

Remember: it's a pre-pre-pre-alpha build, which is called technically a STRAYR (Software That Runs At Your Risk).

Guess I'll have to contact support and get my account sorted so I can log in and download it...

...or just wait for the inevitable Youtubes.

Well, time to pee in your cereals.

The visuals aren't impressive to be brutally blunt. What would be impressive is if Chris Roberts manage to create a believable AI that you could have a human like interaction with other than pre-determined questions and answers.

That would be immersion to me.

Well, time to pee in your cereals.

The visuals aren't impressive to be brutally blunt. What would be impressive is if Chris Roberts manage to create a believable AI that you could have a human like interaction with other than pre-determined questions and answers.

That would be immersion to me.

Dooming? No.

I am taking whatever Chris Roberts has said, promised to deliver, and anything in between, with a f*ckton of salt though.

You did see that video of the constellation right?, and the bengal class carrier is amazing visually and this is still alpha code and looking better than whatever CCP managed to release in incarna by quite a bit, which is just captains quarters where the only notable thing is changing one's aperance and that's it....


All the otther stuff that was promised to be eventually released is ancient history.....

You did see that video of the constellation right?, and the bengal class carrier is amazing visually and this is still alpha code and looking better than whatever CCP managed to release in incarna by quite a bit, which is just captains quarters where the only notable thing is changing one's aperance and that's it....


All the otther stuff that was promised to be eventually released is ancient history.....