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But I also think this. EVE Online is an incredibly detailed game. Listening to Chris Roberts in his presentation video, I get the sense that this game will also be incredibly detailed, including the PvP. It won't just be about click Orbit, and activate modules. See who get's the better role of the dice and win with more hits than misses - more good hits than grazing hits. Chris Roberts' PvP is gonna be about piloting skills too. How well can you maneuver your airplane and outperform your opponent? I think that will attract a lot of EVE PVP enthusiasts.

Even if SC appeals to EVE players, it won't come with some magical kill switch that deletes EVE.

Who was a better man, Mahatma Gandhi or Santa Clause? Do you see the problem with my question? One is a very real person the other is not and never will be. Your question suffers from the same problem, one game is very real and has a growing customer base the other is vaporware that will never see the light of day. Not to mention if Chris Roberts had any faith in his game he would put more of his money behind it and quit begging for money on kickstarter. Also 14 mil is no where near enough to develop a MMO, which is where the kickstarter is at.

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Unless they adapt a P2W scheme like CCP does with EvE.

Chris Roberts has a product that is taking shape. Vaporware is something that hasn't even been worked on yet. Vaporware only exists on paper as a proposal. Star Citizen already has millions of lines of code written.

Anyone who puts so much of his own money into starting any kind of business that he has to mortgage his house, and live off of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches doesn't know how to start or grow a big business. Even Warren Buffet doesn't go into big business ventures alone. He gets backers to go in with him. He sells shares. You get other people to go into the business venture with you, so that if things don't work out, you don't have to live out of your car. You share the wealth if things go great, and you share the losses if things do not.

Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder.

Chris Roberts has a product that is taking shape. Vaporware is something that hasn't even been worked on yet. Vaporware only exists on paper as a proposal. Star Citizen already has millions of lines of code written.

Anyone who puts so much of his own money into starting any kind of business that he has to mortgage his house, and live off of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches doesn't know how to start or grow a big business. Even Warren Buffet doesn't go into big business ventures alone. He gets backers to go in with him. He sells shares. You get other people to go into the business venture with you, so that if things don't work out, you don't have to live out of your car. You share the wealth if things go great, and you share the losses if things do not.

This is why you tend to be disliked wherever you go lol, because you see things as you wish them to be instead of how they are. How is EVE pay to win when people who spend real life cash on the game gain no in game advantage. I don't pay a personal dime for EVE and constantly out perform people in PVE who throw money at the game by buying plex.

Yep, Eve's been living on potential for years

Or you disliked wherever you go lol.

A lot of projection there, Negative Nancy.

I don't sit on my laurels and pat a 500k player game as success. That's never good enough. Got to do better, not think the game is but EQII (stays open because Sony won't kill a flagship). CCP doesn't have that financial backing, it depends on their games working and succeeding.

So, take your WoW hate and just eat it. You're not helping EvE grow by shooting at the largest base of players. The very base of players that plays even EvE.

EVE is too huge and diverse for it ever to be developed as fast as we would like. You can't just make changes to mechanic x and at the same time develop mechanic y completely seperately and asume that there won't be any problems. We know this, because it's what CCP used to do and oh god the bugs!

Thus there is a limit to the rate of change that can sensibly be applied no matter how many people you throw at the problem because of the need for testing the combined effects. (It's an NP! type problem.)

Let's say that there are eg: 20 discrete groups of features that can be worked on (eg: "Drones", "Invention", "Mining", "Lag", "Sovereignty", "COSMOS", etc , etc.), and that CCP can only reasonably work on eg: 4 in any one expansion. That means that on average, each group only gets looked at in any serious way in only one out of every 5 expansions. Everyone feels that their particular issue is horribly neglected even though things are being updated as quickly as reasonably possible.

But WoW has been losing subs at ~10-20% a year for years now. Seems like they're the ones who need your help more.

According to Ace's previous postings when this was brought up previously, they're all Asian players and therefore don't count.

Down to 8.3 million players last time I an article.

How do you get from point A to point B there. If a person is an EVE pvp enthusiast, he might not LIkE "manual flying" games, he might like being the CAPTAIN, not the pilot.

Even if SC appeals to EVE players, it won't come with some magical kill switch that deletes EVE. Many people play more than one game, a pvp player might play EVE for strategic level game play and the play SC the same night for lower level tactical style gameplay.

like all the games before it, SC will probably be ok, but it won't be EVE, and people will still play EVE because they like it. i'll be playing both (if SC is any good) in the same way i play EVE and Star Trek Online right now.

8.3 million players.. bah who would want that many players...

There is the additional complication that with things like the POS code literally no one knows how it really works. It can't be "patched"; it has to be rewritten from scratch.

I'm not knocking them having 8.3 million players, that's a goodly chunk of people to have playing your game and fair play to them for achieving those sorts of numbers, but such a number wouldn't be possible for a game like Eve that runs on a single shard basis. The hardware requirements for that many players in a single universe would make the NSA cringe.

It's a different kind of game purely because the WoW universe is sharded and Eves is not.

There is the additional complication that with things like the POS code literally no one knows how it really works. It can't be "patched"; it has to be rewritten from scratch.

Aye, but just imagine a Eve where you had say 250,000 players logging on at once.. ooooh all those ships to go boom

I'm not knocking them having 8.3 million players, that's a goodly chunk of people to have playing your game and fair play to them for achieving those sorts of numbers, but such a number wouldn't be possible for a game like Eve that runs on a single shard basis. The hardware requirements for that many players in a single universe would make the NSA cringe.

The NSA have the hardware to go over every American's phone records, emails, and chats. As well as the records, emails and chats of Chinese citizens in China. Just ask Snowden.

Or you disliked wherever you go lol.

A lot of projection there, Negative Nancy.

I don't sit on my laurels and pat a 500k player game as success. That's never good enough. Got to do better, not think the game is but EQII (stays open because Sony won't kill a flagship).

CCP doesn't have that financial backing, it depends on their games working and succeeding.

So, take your WoW hate and just eat it. You're not helping EvE grow by shooting at the largest base of players. The very base of players that plays even EvE.

Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder.