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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:55:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Malcanis wrote: But WoW has been losing subs at ~10-20% a year for years now. Seems like they're the ones who need your help more.
According to Ace's previous postings when this was brought up previously, they're all Asian players and therefore don't count. Down to 8.3 million players last time I an article. 8.3 million players.. bah who would want that many players...
And the Asians don't play on US or EU realms. So if all of China dropped out of the game it has no effect on US or EU players. What cash they bring in anyway is the same, they are part time gamers (they play in game palors). WoW in China is a testing service: no subscriptions and the service isn't even provided by Blizzard but a third party. It equates to but pennies of the revenue the US and EU offers.
It's interesting as Blizzard is tapping in other markets, just like Brazil (South America) which is subscriptions (they opened 2 servers just for Portugal and Brazil). There's whole continents still not served. No market in Japan, either (US players at bases in Japan play on US servers with US game clients).
The full market isn't even tapped. And it isn't, because Titan is more important at this stage of the game (the A team was working on it, and they are now refocusing on it's design, especially after the stock report and the news about consoles). After Titan, then the team can refocus on marketing again.
EvE needs around 2 million players to not just sustain itself. That number they can bring in the talent. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:00:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
EvE needs around 2 million players to not just sustain itself. That number they can bring in the talent.
EVE has kept CCP in business for more than a decade with subscriber numbers under 500k. Clearly you have troubles with the math.
And brought in enough revenue for CCP to develop EVE further. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:03:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
EvE needs around 2 million players to not just sustain itself. That number they can bring in the talent.
Where do you get that number from
(please keep your reply within the forum rules)
1 Kings 12:11
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
458
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:03:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
EvE needs around 2 million players to not just sustain itself. That number they can bring in the talent.
EVE has kept CCP in business for more than a decade with subscriber numbers under 500k. Clearly you have troubles with the math. And brought in enough revenue for CCP to develop EVE further.
Existing. Just like EQII.
When a game grows it brings in the talent.
And that's why WoW sits at the top.
First, CCP has to get to the sustain stage. From there they can market themselves for more talent. But that doesn't happen in a space vacuum. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:[
Unless they adapt a P2W scheme like CCP does with EvE.
This is why you tend to be disliked wherever you go lol, because you see things as you wish them to be instead of how they are. How is EVE pay to win when people who spend real life cash on the game gain no in game advantage. I don't pay a personal dime for EVE and constantly out perform people in PVE who throw money at the game by buying plex. You should try putting Ace's posts on ignore. It really improved the whole eve forum experience for me. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10836
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:09:00 -
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Tiber Ibis wrote: You should try putting Ace's posts on ignore. It really improved the whole eve forum experience for me.
I agree, but much as I dislike the content of Aces posts, they never fail to make me smile at how completely and utterly wrong Ace is about Eve and what direction CCP should take it in, the predictability of the content and who is getting blocked next is also amusing. Sometimes you just have to tolerate the self proclaimed "experts" for the giggles.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:11:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Alpheias wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
EvE needs around 2 million players to not just sustain itself. That number they can bring in the talent.
EVE has kept CCP in business for more than a decade with subscriber numbers under 500k. Clearly you have troubles with the math. And brought in enough revenue for CCP to develop EVE further. Existing. Just like EQII. When a game grows it brings in the talent. And that's why WoW sits at the top. First, CCP has to get to the sustain stage. From there they can market themselves for more talent. But that doesn't happen in a space vacuum.
When you say that WoW sits at the top, my immediate question is; what are you referring to?
Really now? So by your logic, since WoW is bleeding subscribers, there must be a exodus of talent from Blizzard HQ which would explain a few things like Diablo 3 and a Panda expansion. Right? Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
459
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:12:00 -
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Tiber Ibis wrote:You should try putting Ace's posts on ignore. It really improved the whole eve forum experience for me.
Likewise for me, too. I see yellow names here, which is perfect because they're put there as the only way they respond is with insults.
Zero content out = File 13.
"Time is money, friend". "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tiber Ibis wrote: You should try putting Ace's posts on ignore. It really improved the whole eve forum experience for me.
I agree, but much as I dislike the content of Aces posts, they never fail to make me smile at how completely and utterly wrong Ace is about Eve and what direction CCP should take it in, the predictability of the content and who is getting blocked next is also amusing. Sometimes you just have to tolerate the self proclaimed "experts" for the giggles. That's just it, once you have read one of Ace's posts you have read them all.
For anyone who is wondering a post by Ace is basically; Eve has feature x, WOW also has a similar feature x, WOW's feature x is better than Eves feature x and so eve is dying. Also goons control eve, if Blizzard were in charge they wouldn't allow this to happen, therefore Blizzard is better than CCP and again Eve is dying.
There I just summarised all of Ace's posts for you all so you can ignore him safely now in the knowledge your not missing out on anything. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
460
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:25:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:When you say that WoW sits at the top, my immediate question is; what are you referring to?
Really now? So by your logic, since WoW is bleeding subscribers, there must be a exodus of talent from Blizzard HQ which would explain a few things like Diablo 3 and a Panda expansion. Right?
Really.
WoW will naturally bleed subscribers, because they can't make the content that matters with an ancient engine (hint CCP), which is why Blizzard is working on Titan (where the A team is). The talent remains, because they're working on MMO 2.0, not another expansion itself.
If you're a professional you want to show you work at a company that has potential in your career. If a professional had a choice between Blizzard and CCP, who do you think they'll go with? CCP may give them more creative control, but if the employee want to rise in the ranks (and make better salary), they need to prove they can work with the big guys with the hundred million dollar budgets. The talent flocks to Blizzard.
Have to attract that talent. Without it, it's scrapping the bottom of the bucket. CCP needs that "can do" team of innovators and those with the talent to "make it so".
And that comes from showing they have the numbers to make the venture worthwhile to that talent...and that CCP has the money to pay for that talent! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
313
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:27:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Eve is dying because of Star Wars GalaxiesJumpgate EvolutionBlack ProphecyDarkfallThe Old RepublicStar Trek Online Star Citizen!
Love this. I love Dust514. But it needs more EVE. Read my idea on how to do this at General Tso's Alliance blog: http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2013/06/dust514-uprising-needs-moar-eve.html |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
148
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:27:00 -
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Ace, post with your main please. One in five people are Chinese. There are five people in my family, so one must be Chinese. It's either my mum, my dad, my older brother Colin or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think it's Colin |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1851
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:33:00 -
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star citizen is world of tanks in space. It will be certainly a fun game but its not comparable to eve.
(hey but i am sure somebody will say "it looks like halo" because there is a marine with a helmet in it) eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Prince Kobol
838
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:34:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:star citizen is world of tanks in space. It will be certainly a fun game but its not comparable to eve.
you honestly have no idea do you |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
197
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:36:00 -
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Quote:Once it faces a competitor then hopefully it will give CCP a kick to get their act together.
A kick to the balls, I fear. There is Elite Dangerous on the horizon. New CQ prototype |
Ilkahn
DisturbedGamers.
94
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:43:00 -
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Cypherdog wrote:I wonder how is EVE preparing to face the might of Chris Roberts' new MMO. I am a devoted "casual" EVE player and so far I managed to convince 1 player -my cousin- to join me in EVE, but lately we are having conversations about Star Citizen, and I am afraid I am going to loose my only wingman in space. EVE has a decade of Lore and stories that players have written. EVE can hold massive battles in one single server. EVE is brutal, unforgiving. EVE is EVE. But because most of us are familiar with Robert's Space Industries and games (freelancer, Wing Commander) , I wonder what is CCP's plan to counteract the loss of subscriptions to an MMO that promises (and surely deliver) a more personal and immersive space flying experience? The universe size will not be as big at launch, but in time, just like CCP did when player's are handed the tools to shape the universe, it will expand massively, and probably match most of he expectations of many scy-fi players. I thought Incarna was a cool step to attract skeptical players and make the experience more personal. Why didn't The Mittani and henchmen expressed their negative opinions at the previous fanfest , when the Incarna facts were unveiled, instead of burning Jita and leave a fair chuck of designers and Devs unemployed. I could not wait for Incarna to be online. Alas, tradition proved more resilient than change. And Incarna will never come back....unless.... Star Citizen proves that it can be done. Now I understand the prejudice against "spacebarbie" gameplay. But just like with everything in EVE, if you don't like it, you don't have to do it. (I am against the gtfo stance of most) I still think that Dust 514is destined to fail. It won't do any favours to EVE. There's a game called Titan Fall, that is so reminiscent of Dust. And better imo. I am a casual player, I see EVE from outside the box. My opinions are just the way I feel at the moment, and at the moment I see EVE going for another decade but significantly less strong after SC is launched. Care to share your thoughts?
I think he works for them, nice plug for your company though. Lots of EVE bashing and i love how you bring up one guys name and put "might" with it. No way did EVE Online get to where it is on the back of one individual, nor shall the other game unless of course it's going to look like pong. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
460
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:44:00 -
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The VC's wrote:Ace, post with your main please.
In other games I only post on my main. EvE has some really strange weirdos, ah, no. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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The VC's
Spack Force 5
150
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:48:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:The VC's wrote:Ace, post with your main please. In other games I only post on my main. EvE has some really strange weirdos, ah, no.
What do you think will happen? One in five people are Chinese. There are five people in my family, so one must be Chinese. It's either my mum, my dad, my older brother Colin or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think it's Colin |
Ilkahn
DisturbedGamers.
94
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:49:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote: WoW will naturally bleed subscribers, because they can't make the content that matters with an ancient engine (hint CCP), which is why Blizzard is working on Titan (where the A team is). The talent remains, because they're working on MMO 2.0, not another expansion itself.
If you're a professional you want to show you work at a company that has potential in your career. If a professional had a choice between Blizzard and CCP, who do you think they'll go with? CCP may give them more creative control, but if the employee want to rise in the ranks (and make better salary), they need to prove they can work with the big guys with the hundred million dollar budgets. The talent flocks to Blizzard.
Have to attract that talent. Without it, it's scrapping the bottom of the bucket. CCP needs that "can do" team of innovators and those with the talent to "make it so".
And that comes from showing they have the numbers to make the venture worthwhile to that talent...and that CCP has the money to pay for that talent!
You are assuming the players of eve want EVE 2.0, we don't, we simply want EVE a full universe at this point. They ask us ideas, we feed back, they create. IMO, they have the MOST successful business strategy out there. What other space game has endured and grown for a decade? Matter of fact, which MMO period has shown ever increasing numbers and is still resilient? WOW and the rest will continue to fall to the sides over ages and EVE will endure becuase CCP has been the largest invoator in customer interaction. Does WOW has a panel of players flown to corporate HQ every year to discuss the past/present/future?
CCP wins, they are winners, and we win with the product they deliver to us. |
Cypherdog
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:52:00 -
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Ilkahn wrote: I think he works for them, nice plug for your company though. Lots of EVE bashing and i love how you bring up one guys name and put "might" with it. No way did EVE Online get to where it is on the back of one individual, nor shall the other game unless of course it's going to look like pong.
Nope, i dont'. My post is not intended to bash CCP. Just nudge them a little. |
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Ilkahn
DisturbedGamers.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:52:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:The VC's wrote:Ace, post with your main please. In other games I only post on my main. EvE has some really strange weirdos, ah, no.
I call ya out on this. If you are to cowardly to post with a main in eve, you're to cowardly to post with a main on any other site either. Human nature is human nature, everyone has nut jobs. I'd say eve has fewer due to the complexity of the interface which requires thought processes. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2238
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:55:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Alpheias wrote:When you say that WoW sits at the top, my immediate question is; what are you referring to?
Really now? So by your logic, since WoW is bleeding subscribers, there must be a exodus of talent from Blizzard HQ which would explain a few things like Diablo 3 and a Panda expansion. Right? Really. WoW will naturally bleed subscribers, because they can't make the content that matters with an ancient engine (hint CCP), which is why Blizzard is working on Titan (where the A team is). The talent remains, because they're working on MMO 2.0, not another expansion itself. If you're a professional you want to show you work at a company that has potential in your career. If a professional had a choice between Blizzard and CCP, who do you think they'll go with? CCP may give them more creative control, but if the employee want to rise in the ranks (and make better salary), they need to prove they can work with the big guys with the hundred million dollar budgets. The talent flocks to Blizzard. Have to attract that talent. Without it, it's scrapping the bottom of the bucket. CCP needs that "can do" team of innovators and those with the talent to "make it so". And that comes from showing they have the numbers to make the venture worthwhile to that talent...and that CCP has the money to pay for that talent!
Last I heard, all work on Titan so far had been scrapped and it was back to the drawing board and unless there is a official confirmation from Blizzard that Titan is indeed an MMO, all you can really do at this point is speculate which is pretty pointless and won't add to the discussion.
If I was a game developer and I want to soar in the games industry? I'd send my resume to Riot Games and not Blizzard. Sure, you can argue that Blizzard makes mountains of cash each month but MOBAs are taking over the MMO space fast and unlike CCP that has survived setbacks and thrived on margins in comparison, Blizzard cannot and will not survive in a space where paid subscriptions are becoming a thing of the past.
As for finding talent or talent coming to CCP, I am not too worried. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
994
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:59:00 -
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Ilkahn wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:The VC's wrote:Ace, post with your main please. In other games I only post on my main. EvE has some really strange weirdos, ah, no. I call ya out on this. If you are to cowardly to post with a main in eve, you're to cowardly to post with a main on any other site either. Human nature is human nature, everyone has nut jobs. I'd say eve has fewer due to the complexity of the interface which requires thought processes. there is something that I learned through my life:
show me a perfectly mentally sane person and I'll show you a liar.
no ifs nor buts. everybody has a certain level of insanity in their heads and there are no people with insanity at lvl0. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Prince Kobol
838
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:01:00 -
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Ilkahn wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote: WoW will naturally bleed subscribers, because they can't make the content that matters with an ancient engine (hint CCP), which is why Blizzard is working on Titan (where the A team is). The talent remains, because they're working on MMO 2.0, not another expansion itself.
If you're a professional you want to show you work at a company that has potential in your career. If a professional had a choice between Blizzard and CCP, who do you think they'll go with? CCP may give them more creative control, but if the employee want to rise in the ranks (and make better salary), they need to prove they can work with the big guys with the hundred million dollar budgets. The talent flocks to Blizzard.
Have to attract that talent. Without it, it's scrapping the bottom of the bucket. CCP needs that "can do" team of innovators and those with the talent to "make it so".
And that comes from showing they have the numbers to make the venture worthwhile to that talent...and that CCP has the money to pay for that talent!
You are assuming the players of eve want EVE 2.0, we don't, we simply want EVE a full universe at this point. They ask us ideas, we feed back, they create. IMO, they have the MOST successful business strategy out there. What other space game has endured and grown for a decade? Matter of fact, which MMO period has shown ever increasing numbers and is still resilient? WOW and the rest will continue to fall to the sides over ages and EVE will endure becuase CCP has been the largest invoator in customer interaction. Does WOW has a panel of players flown to corporate HQ every year to discuss the past/present/future? CCP wins, they are winners, and we win with the product they deliver to us.
Of course CCP win..
Then again I am sure if you ask the likes of Blizzard, EA, Funcon, WB etc what they would want, a MMO lasting 10 years but has a small but steady player base and makes a moderate amount of money or a MMO that might be hated world wide, mocked, derided, scorned at, the butt of many jokes but has millions of players and makes an obscene amount of money I am pretty sure I know which they would want :) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10850
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:03:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Last I heard, all work on Titan so far had been scrapped and it was back to the drawing board and unless there is a official confirmation from Blizzard that Titan is indeed an MMO, all you can really do at this point is speculate which is pretty pointless and won't add to the discussion.
If I was a game developer and I want to soar in the games industry? I'd send my resume to Riot Games and not Blizzard. Sure, you can argue that Blizzard makes mountains of cash each month but MOBAs are taking over the MMO space fast and unlike CCP that has survived setbacks and thrived on margins in comparison, Blizzard cannot and will not survive in a space where paid subscriptions are becoming a thing of the past.
As for finding talent or talent coming to CCP, I am not too worried.
Confirming that Blizzard are starting over on Project Titan, and that it'll be lucky to see the light of day by 2016, rumour has it that the 100 strong Dev team that were working on it has been reduced by 70% to 30 devs.
Sources include IGN, Venturebeat, Massively and Forbes
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
460
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:07:00 -
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Ilkahn wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:The VC's wrote:Ace, post with your main please. In other games I only post on my main. EvE has some really strange weirdos, ah, no. I call ya out on this. If you are to cowardly to post with a main in eve, you're to cowardly to post with a main on any other site either. Human nature is human nature, everyone has nut jobs. I'd say eve has fewer due to the complexity of the interface which requires thought processes.
I'm not a coward, but I do play smart. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2321
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:09:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Of course CCP win..
Then again I am sure if you ask the likes of Blizzard, EA, Funcon, WB etc what they would want, a MMO lasting 10 years but has a small but steady player base and makes a moderate amount of money or a MMO that might be hated world wide, mocked, derided, scorned at, the butt of many jokes but has millions of players and makes an obscene amount of money I am pretty sure I know which they would want :)
If CCP wants to make such a game, that's fine. Boatloads of money is good.
But why must EVE be that game? What do the "moar subs" people find so offensive about a successful niche game with a loyal following? Why must everything be some 9 million account sharded to death scripted fantasy mess?
I'm just trying to understand the motivation here, because it makes zero sense to me. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
460
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:10:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:there is something that I learned through my life:
show me a perfectly mentally sane person and I'll show you a liar.
no ifs nor buts. everybody has a certain level of insanity in their heads and there are no people with insanity at lvl0.
Well, loving dead corpses is a TAD extreme even in a Halcion world. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1851
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:13:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Bienator II wrote:star citizen is world of tanks in space. It will be certainly a fun game but its not comparable to eve. you honestly have no idea do you
i have. i backed it and read everything about the instancing and economy what was released so far. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2238
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:14:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Grimpak wrote:there is something that I learned through my life:
show me a perfectly mentally sane person and I'll show you a liar.
no ifs nor buts. everybody has a certain level of insanity in their heads and there are no people with insanity at lvl0. Well, loving dead corpses is a TAD extreme even in a Halcion world.
And the number of quests in WoW where you pick up poop is perfectly normal? Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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