[quote=Templar Knightsbane]... Star Citizen, from what the devs are saying, will have a PvP slider, don't want PvP? You'll be able to basically turn it off and go about your business without the chance of some nasty piwate ruining your day. That option sounds pretty bland to me, the possibility of surprise PvP adds spice for me, but if that's what you want then fine....

Eve has one thing that no other game has: the players have the power to make the game change course, to shape and mold it, to become legendary or be a part of both legendary player-driven events and also storyline live events that make it into the novels and lore.

Despite the wave of disagreements, i agree with you.

I play EVE because it's a spaceship game. despite the games shortcomings. If and when Star Citizen will do that i will quit EVE.

You read that CCP?

Eve has one thing that no other game has: the players have the power to make the game change course, to shape and mold it, to become legendary or be a part of both legendary player-driven events and also storyline live events that make it into the novels and lore.

This post is BS there hasnt been a single event in EvE that wasnt scripted. Sansha incursions were scripted, arek jalaan was scripted. You dont control **** your a puppet buying into the illusion.

That's not really true depending on what exactly you are talking about. If you are talking about taking over systems, starting a corp that takes over all the null sec, and pvp. Then yes. AT THIS TIME EVE is the only game that has that (that I know of).

However, if you are talking about changing the laws, storyline (a race gets wipe out or make pace between them), finding that one thing that no one else has found (like a relic from the past), fixing the EVE gate, take out the cops for good, etc. You can't do that. At least from what I know of.
In fact, when I heard EVE was a true sandbox. I was thinking my missions could change the game. Win or lose, I won't repeat the same mission over and over. And if someone else messes up, it could mess with me.

I quickly found the true sandbox was a lie, and obviously "EVE is real" moto is a lie. (Come on. There is no physics in the game. Well besides the gravity that holds you down in WIS)


I believe we are all here because we are trying to find something to fill something in us. Something to keep us from being bored. Something that makes us feel like we did something. Something that makes us feel like we are apart of a working team. Or whatever. Only you can say what is missing.

Now, Obviously there is no way any company can fill your whatever. But, I can tell you EVE Online is nowhere near what I am missing. Sadly, EVE Online is the closest thing I can come to at this time to filling what I am missing.
While I doubt I will completely leave EVE. If SC fills my needs, then I will most likely spend whatever time/money with them that I could've been with EVE.

I am sure others feel the same, but I hope CCP is able to give us what we need in time. Because if it's not SC. There is a high chance that another game in the future will give us what we need (or come a hell lot closer).


BTW, the reason why i doubt I will ever get rid of my EVE account is because like any human. My needs change over time. Also, the person with the best skills/isk wins.

This post is BS there hasnt been a single event in EvE that wasnt scripted. Sansha incursions were scripted, arek jalaan was scripted. You dont control **** your a puppet buying into the illusion.

I like the concept of SC. I pre-ordered and all that good stuff. It is not however going to be anywhere near as complex or even as massive as EvE. And here are the reasons why:

1. Servers will be sharded with probably some official servers and lots of player run ones
2. Limited space for battles. Twitch games that involve spacecraft have never been able to get more then 30 people or so into one area. It's not doable because the amount of processing power needed would be immense and while it does technically exist. It is far beyond the reach of any game company unless Elon Musk or Richard Branson were to actually get involved. Basically you'd need a super computer the equivalent or more (probably way, way, way more) faster than the Chinese 30+ petaflop monster they slapped together in order to get several thousand people shooting each other on grid, using twitch style simulation to fly. It would also run into connectivity issues. You'd need some real fast internet servicing to manage that. Something the equivalent or more of the 100gb/s google fiber optic system. Also a major upgrade of the world's network would be needed on top of it.

Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder.

Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder.

Not a reason to ignore possible competition as far as I am aware... Your quote is also applicable to CCP : P

Tal

This post is BS there hasnt been a single event in EvE that wasnt scripted. Sansha incursions were scripted, arek jalaan was scripted. You dont control **** your a puppet buying into the illusion.

CCP have been delivering quite a lot this last couple of years.

It's interesting to look at the list of requests the first 4-5 CSMs presented and see how many of them have actually been implemented, for instance.

I'd be the last to deny that CCP haven't always made the most efficient use of their development resources over the years - there has been a shocking amount of wasted effort, especially in the 2009-2011 era. But I can tell you that right now, unless every single ex-CSM I speak to is involved in a conspiracy to fool me, the CCP we have now has changed significantly from the CCP we had in, say, 2008. For the better.

By the time games that want to compete with EVE come out, they'll have a 12-13 year development deficit to catch up with. That's the equivalent of several hundred million dollars worth of dev time. And there's no gaurantee that Mr Roberts will be as good at managing a company as he undoubtedly is at creating a great game.

Personally I hope SC is a great game. Some direct competition would be good for EVE, and it's always helpful to have a new source to steal ideas from. And then there's the "halo effect"; if SC is a World Of Tanks style smash hit, then that will popularise the 'spaceships' genre, and EVE would benefit from that.

It's just that I've seen the hype -> reality -> bitterness cycle amongst these "EVE killer" games turn so many times before.

Not a reason to ignore possible competition as far as I am aware...

Tal

Correct me if I am wrong on this but based on what I gathered Star Citizen is more of a space "sim" where eve is...not so much.

Looks good, will probably disappoint.

CCP have been delivering quite a lot this last couple of years.

Comet mining
S&I interface
Corp managment
POS managment
Apparently FW still
Sov revamp
Incursions
WiS (lol)
Incarna (wat)
ect ect

If I give you a badge and a lollipop would you start shilling for me?

I'd be the last to deny that CCP haven't always made the most efficient use of their development resources over the years - there has been a shocking amount of wasted effort, especially in the 2009-2011 era.

Comet mining
S&I interface
Corp managment
POS managment
Apparently FW still
Sov revamp
Incursions
WiS (lol)
Incarna (wat)
ect ect

If I give you a badge and a lollipop would you start shilling for me?

Star Citizen is way overhyped. People seem to forget that pretty much all the major features were cut out from Freelancer before it was released and the game wasn't that good. It was also meant to come out 2000 but it got delayed to 2003 and they started working on it 1997 so that's 6 years.