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Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.18 23:27:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:inb4 RSI delivers the universe CCP wanted to deliver but only better (running on a single graphic engine and PC platform) while CCP keeps rubbing their CCPeen to "single shard universes" and "2000 player battles" (while running 3 games on 3 different engines and platforms and watching the other 80% of their playerbase who don't engage in time-dilated blobs unsub and go play SC).
Although more or less true, SC is not going to be the sandbox Eve is. Even with having the ability to preform a lot of the same tasks with better gameplay (this is still speculative since SC doesn't exist yet) the matchmaking multiplayer element will affect how much influence a group of players can have on the game world. Although Eve hasn't had any competition in the multiplayer space sim arena until the near future, it's not a given whether players will abandon Eve for another game. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:02:00 -
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Tanesha Kring wrote:raven666wings wrote:inb4 RSI delivers the universe CCP wanted to deliver but only better (running on a single graphic engine and PC platform) while CCP keeps rubbing their CCPeen to "single shard universes" and "2000 player battles" (while running 3 games on 3 different engines and platforms and watching the other 80% of their playerbase who don't engage in time-dilated blobs unsub and go play SC). Although more or less true, SC is not going to be the sandbox Eve is. Even with having the ability to preform a lot of the same tasks with better gameplay (this is still speculative since SC doesn't exist yet) the matchmaking multiplayer element will affect how much influence a group of players can have on the game world. Although Eve hasn't had any competition in the multiplayer space sim arena until the near future, it's not a given whether players will abandon Eve for another game.
"Core" players will not leave EVE. But then, EVE has thrived riding on a cloud of non-core players who may find SC more appealing to their taste.
Right now, the PCU is looking good, but hisec is way more populated than two years ago. But then hiseccers are not deemed a valuable asset by anyone in the decission making chain...
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Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:56:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tanesha Kring wrote:raven666wings wrote:inb4 RSI delivers the universe CCP wanted to deliver but only better (running on a single graphic engine and PC platform) while CCP keeps rubbing their CCPeen to "single shard universes" and "2000 player battles" (while running 3 games on 3 different engines and platforms and watching the other 80% of their playerbase who don't engage in time-dilated blobs unsub and go play SC). Although more or less true, SC is not going to be the sandbox Eve is. Even with having the ability to preform a lot of the same tasks with better gameplay (this is still speculative since SC doesn't exist yet) the matchmaking multiplayer element will affect how much influence a group of players can have on the game world. Although Eve hasn't had any competition in the multiplayer space sim arena until the near future, it's not a given whether players will abandon Eve for another game. "Core" players will not leave EVE. But then, EVE has thrived riding on a cloud of non-core players who may find SC more appealing to their taste. Right now, the PCU is looking good, but hisec is way more populated than two years ago. But then hiseccers are not deemed a valuable asset by anyone in the decission making chain...
A lot of hisec are alts so it's not as easy to tack down the demographics in terms of interests in playstyle. Eve's sandbox does actually involve more than pvp in nullsec however. For instance the players that enjoy the economic and industry aspects might not find SC there cup of tea either since it will not be as player driven and it sounds like industry might be something that takes a lot of work in SC just to get into. SC seems more geared towards PvP, PvE, exploration and 'trading' in the form of shipping cargo outside of the Squadron 42 gameplay. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:37:00 -
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Tanesha Kring wrote: Although more or less true, SC is not going to be the sandbox Eve is. Even with having the ability to preform a lot of the same tasks with better gameplay (this is still speculative since SC doesn't exist yet) the matchmaking multiplayer element will (not???) affect how much influence a group of players can have on the game world. Although Eve hasn't had any competition in the multiplayer space sim arena until the near future, it's not a given whether players will abandon Eve for another game.
Yes I suppose that's true and the forecasts about SC's impact in the space MMO market are indeed just speculation, but just like Ish stated, don't forget that a big portion of EVE's fuel has been coming from curious newcomers that at the lack of other more entincing sci-fi space simulators come try EVE and play it until they get bored, many times with the kind of tactical combat gameplay that doesn't fit their taste. And these newcomer people might find SC a more appealing game to go spend money on.
Tanesha Kring wrote: A lot of hisec are alts so it's not as easy to tack down the demographics in terms of interests in playstyle. Eve's sandbox does actually involve more than pvp in nullsec however. For instance the players that enjoy the economic and industry aspects might not find SC there cup of tea either since it will not be as player driven and it sounds like industry might be something that takes a lot of work in SC just to get into.
Well yes, SC's economy and industry surely won't have the level of depth that EVE's has. But then again, many ppl in EVE are not here for the spreadsheets.
Tanesha Kring wrote: SC seems more geared towards PvP, PvE, exploration and 'trading' in the form of shipping cargo outside of the Squadron 42 gameplay.
It also seems more geared towards people that want to have simulated and graphically appealing spaceship combat, with use of a cutting edge graphic engine and VR technology, and not only at a fighter craft level being launched from a carrier to skirmish like in EVE Valkyrie, but also operating bigger ships like cruisers and carriers, using avatars on deck, hangar, stations and planets. All of this connected without engine/platform/business model constraints. |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:44:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:
Well yes, SC's economy and industry surely won't have the level of depth that EVE's has. But then again, many ppl in EVE are not here for the spreadsheets.
Yeah, but if you're going to figure which players are more interested in spreadsheets, is it going to be null or hisec players? It's not like most are actually new. Hisec is high pop dead space since most are alts just feeding ISK to their mains and a few like me who play periodically.
raven666wings wrote: It also seems more geared towards having simulated and graphically appealing spaceship combat, with use of a cutting edge graphic engine and VR technology, and not only at a fighter craft level being launched from a carrier to skirmish like in EVE Valkyrie, but also operating bigger ships like cruisers and carriers, using avatars on deck, hangar, stations and planets. All of this connected without engine/platform/business model constraints.
Totally agree and that's why I said PvP and PvE first. I for one am looking forward to being able to pilot and actually crew space ships. I like space sims and combat flight sims and there hasn't been much of either that has peeked my interests in awhile. I think my sticks been mostly collecting dust since the last time I played IL-2. ;p
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:12:00 -
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Tanesha Kring wrote:raven666wings wrote:
Well yes, SC's economy and industry surely won't have the level of depth that EVE's has. But then again, many ppl in EVE are not here for the spreadsheets.
Yeah, but if you're going to figure which players are more interested in spreadsheets, is it going to be null or hisec players? It's not like most are actually new. Hisec is high pop dead space since most are alts just feeding ISK to their mains and a few like me who play periodically. raven666wings wrote: It also seems more geared towards having simulated and graphically appealing spaceship combat, with use of a cutting edge graphic engine and VR technology, and not only at a fighter craft level being launched from a carrier to skirmish like in EVE Valkyrie, but also operating bigger ships like cruisers and carriers, using avatars on deck, hangar, stations and planets. All of this connected without engine/platform/business model constraints.
Totally agree and that's why I said PvP and PvE first. I for one am looking forward to being able to pilot and actually crew space ships. I like space sims and combat flight sims and there hasn't been much of either that has peeked my interests in awhile. I think my sticks been mostly collecting dust since the last time I played IL-2. ;p
Heh, Il-2 is to blame for getting me hooked to/spoiled by online gaming... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:52:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Note: I played Il-2 for the PvP. Recently I played Planetside 2 for the PvP. But in almost five years, I never have considered seriously to PvP in EVE. I wonder how will I feel about PvP'ing at SC, but it's unlikely if the only way to experince it is facing the serious consequences intended, permadeath included.
If there's some good flight combat. Consequences be damned! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:53:00 -
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Permadeath is good if you have only 10 minutes of gameplay, not more. New CQ prototype |
Ariel Dawn
F9X
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:49:00 -
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Tanesha Kring wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Note: I played Il-2 for the PvP. Recently I played Planetside 2 for the PvP. But in almost five years, I never have considered seriously to PvP in EVE. I wonder how will I feel about PvP'ing at SC, but it's unlikely if the only way to experince it is facing the serious consequences intended, permadeath included. If there's some good flight combat. Consequences be damned!
You haven't actually played EVE in 5 years then! That's where the fun/excitement comes from.
While Star Citizen looks neat, isn't it horribly overrun with real money trading already before anything has happened at all? People flipping limited ships and whatnot for $$$ and whatnot. |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.22 23:10:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote:Tanesha Kring wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Note: I played Il-2 for the PvP. Recently I played Planetside 2 for the PvP. But in almost five years, I never have considered seriously to PvP in EVE. I wonder how will I feel about PvP'ing at SC, but it's unlikely if the only way to experince it is facing the serious consequences intended, permadeath included. If there's some good flight combat. Consequences be damned! You haven't actually played EVE in 5 years then! That's where the fun/excitement comes from. While Star Citizen looks neat, isn't it horribly overrun with real money trading already before anything has happened at all? People flipping limited ships and whatnot for $$$ and whatnot.
Wait Eve has flight combat? Since when?
Isn't Eve also overrun with real money trading. You do have a point about the limited edition pirate freighter, but buying and selling Plex in essence does the same thing. It's just that the leveling mechanic limits it's usefulness in Eve, while being able to steal ships makes it possible to gain limited ships (some you will only be able to obtain by theft) and will ultimately limit the market for real money trading. |
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2013.09.22 23:50:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote: While Star Citizen looks neat, isn't it horribly overrun with real money trading already before anything has happened at all? People flipping limited ships and whatnot for $$$ and whatnot.
Trading ingame items for real money doesn't necessarily turn the game into pay2win imo, as long as you can get everything that's sold in the cash shop with ingame currency and you dont have to go through eternal grinds to get it. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
651
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Posted - 2013.09.23 05:42:00 -
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was really hoping this thread was dead by now [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1908
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Posted - 2013.09.23 06:47:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote:Tanesha Kring wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Note: I played Il-2 for the PvP. Recently I played Planetside 2 for the PvP. But in almost five years, I never have considered seriously to PvP in EVE. I wonder how will I feel about PvP'ing at SC, but it's unlikely if the only way to experince it is facing the serious consequences intended, permadeath included. If there's some good flight combat. Consequences be damned! You haven't actually played EVE in 5 years then! That's where the fun/excitement comes from. While Star Citizen looks neat, isn't it horribly overrun with real money trading already before anything has happened at all? People flipping limited ships and whatnot for $$$ and whatnot.
They're limited ships, and as such they're bound to be the jewel of all killboards. "I scored a Caterpillar" might be a good counterbalance to whatever performance haves such ship in game. Like 60 billion ISK CNRs, their rarity is their balance.
I mean, if such a ship is only safe where PvP can't reach it, then it's not really harming PvP balance... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Ariel Dawn
F9X
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Posted - 2013.09.23 08:00:00 -
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Sure they're "limited", but paying $350-$2000 for special ships for a game that hasn't even been released yet seems fairly extreme. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.09.23 08:01:00 -
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/
While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.23 08:24:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote:Sure they're "limited", but paying $350-$2000 for special ships for a game that hasn't even been released yet seems fairly extreme.
It's a pledge drive system. You're really putting money into development more than buying ships. It's the same as the pledge rewards for donating to PBS or some charities. You could just as well wait for the game to come out and earn the same stuff with UEC earned during play. The ships and the funding goals just provide a small return and incentive for those throwing money their way. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1909
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Posted - 2013.09.23 09:44:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/
While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points.
The real question is the ratio of "core" players versus "misfit" players.
Being of the later, I think our numbers have been historically underrated and CCP would make a mistake if they give up retaining us as more appealing competitors are released.
But then, we'll learn more as details for the Hallelujah Plan are released. That plan will be supposed to be developed according to human-measuring tools implemented by CCP Seagulls' team... so if it flips the bird at "misfits", then we will be surely told to leave as we please because we are not relevant to CCP's and EVE's interests. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.09.23 11:14:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Alpheias wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/
While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points. The real question is the ratio of "core" players versus "misfit" players. Being of the later, I think our numbers have been historically underrated and CCP would make a mistake if they give up retaining us as more appealing competitors are released. But then, we'll learn more as details for the Hallelujah Plan are released. That plan will be supposed to be developed according to human-measuring tools implemented by CCP Seagulls' team... so if it flips the bird at "misfits", then we will be surely told to leave as we please because we are not relevant to CCP's and EVE's interests.
I disagree that "misfit" players as a group has been historically underrated. I believe it is more due to the minor fact that the "misfit" players, such as yourself, never has been relevant because what exactly do you bring to the table other than whinge about how much you want WiS? Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1909
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Posted - 2013.09.23 13:24:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Alpheias wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/
While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points. The real question is the ratio of "core" players versus "misfit" players. Being of the later, I think our numbers have been historically underrated and CCP would make a mistake if they give up retaining us as more appealing competitors are released. But then, we'll learn more as details for the Hallelujah Plan are released. That plan will be supposed to be developed according to human-measuring tools implemented by CCP Seagulls' team... so if it flips the bird at "misfits", then we will be surely told to leave as we please because we are not relevant to CCP's and EVE's interests. I disagree that "misfit" players as a group has been historically underrated. I believe it is more due to the minor fact that the "misfit" players, such as yourself, never has been relevant because what exactly do you bring to the table other than whinge about how much you want WiS?
Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:32:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Alpheias wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Alpheias wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/
While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points. The real question is the ratio of "core" players versus "misfit" players. Being of the later, I think our numbers have been historically underrated and CCP would make a mistake if they give up retaining us as more appealing competitors are released. But then, we'll learn more as details for the Hallelujah Plan are released. That plan will be supposed to be developed according to human-measuring tools implemented by CCP Seagulls' team... so if it flips the bird at "misfits", then we will be surely told to leave as we please because we are not relevant to CCP's and EVE's interests. I disagree that "misfit" players as a group has been historically underrated. I believe it is more due to the minor fact that the "misfit" players, such as yourself, never has been relevant because what exactly do you bring to the table other than whinge about how much you want WiS? Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.
Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?
How do you re-introduce very unpopular avatar based element to EVE without pissing off a large portion of your customer base when the current iteration offer little more than buying internet spaceship clothes and is a unfortunate necessity for character portraits?
It is not an easy question and despite that I am not in favor of WiS, I have to give kudos to CCP for thinking really hard how they can bring an avatar based gameplay into EVE and give meaning to it rather than having the characters just stand there and look awkward as they do in your typical theme park MMOs and at the same time, avoid having it turn into a Second Life in Space. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
105
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:54:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.
numbers and money???!?!?!? but it's eleet peeveepee and statue shooting tantrums that support EVE!!! oh wait lololol nvm |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
105
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:55:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?
How do you re-introduce very unpopular avatar based element to EVE without pissing off a large portion of your customer base when the current iteration offer little more than buying internet spaceship clothes and is a unfortunate necessity for character portraits?
It is not an easy question and despite that I am not in favor of WiS, I have to give kudos to CCP for thinking really hard how they can bring an avatar based gameplay into EVE and give meaning to it rather than having the characters just stand there and look awkward as they do in your typical theme park MMOs and at the same time, avoid having it turn into a Second Life in Space.
*handles prozac prescription
Avatar gameplay thread is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1 |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.09.23 16:59:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Alpheias wrote:Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?
How do you re-introduce very unpopular avatar based element to EVE without pissing off a large portion of your customer base when the current iteration offer little more than buying internet spaceship clothes and is a unfortunate necessity for character portraits?
It is not an easy question and despite that I am not in favor of WiS, I have to give kudos to CCP for thinking really hard how they can bring an avatar based gameplay into EVE and give meaning to it rather than having the characters just stand there and look awkward as they do in your typical theme park MMOs and at the same time, avoid having it turn into a Second Life in Space. *handles prozac prescription Avatar gameplay thread is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1
*pops your little imaginary world and welcomes you back to reality
If you had dived into that thread, you will eventually find that Team Avatar no longer exists. CCP lets that thread be because it makes sense from a moderator's point of view to do so. At the same time, CCP keeps the nonsense posted in just one thread. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
106
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:13:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: *pops your little imaginary world and welcomes you back to reality
If you had dived into that thread, you will eventually find that Team Avatar no longer exists. CCP lets that thread be because it makes sense from a moderator's point of view to do so. At the same time, CCP keeps the nonsense posted in just one thread.
Still posting in the wrong thread, discussion about Team Avatar and their work is done here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1 |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2659
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:19:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Alpheias wrote: *pops your little imaginary world and welcomes you back to reality
If you had dived into that thread, you will eventually find that Team Avatar no longer exists. CCP lets that thread be because it makes sense from a moderator's point of view to do so. At the same time, CCP keeps the nonsense posted in just one thread.
Still posting in the wrong thread, discussion about Team Avatar and their work is done here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1
I know, I know, accepting reality is difficult for some. For one, it took a fatal fall from his horse and having his brain exposed to the world and air (much needed too, I imagine) to come to terms that the Earth is not the center of the universe.
Team Avatar is no more. Just take your time to accept it. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
106
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:28:00 -
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What you seem to be exhibiting right now is more of a depressive OCD nuisance rather than reality lag, hence the prozac prescription. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2659
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:50:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:What you seem to be exhibiting right now is more of a depressive OCD nuisance rather than reality lag, hence the prozac prescription.
To have a armchair psychologist like you suggesting something like prozac feels pretty oldschool, almost nostalgic.
I'll be more modest with my offering of help; would a hug help make you accept the death of Team Avatar? Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
106
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:12:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: To have a armchair psychologist like you suggesting something like prozac feels pretty oldschool, almost nostalgic.
I'll be more modest with my offering of help; would a hug help make you accept the death of Team Avatar?
If you had taken the medication the chances of writing such things would be diminuted by now. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
2191
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:31:00 -
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Decided to pop in this thread to see what comparisons are being made between Eve and CP and all I see are a couple of ninnies crying about their dollies. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
106
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:56:00 -
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ninnies crying about their dollies
This isn't even funny!! Cant you seen++ this baby's in a lot of t pain |
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