To be honest, with HAM range being so limited, the Sleipnir has a huge advantage over the Claymore. What about changing one of the bonuses of the Claymore to be a flight time bonus or missile velocity bonus? I realize the power of an explosion velocity bonus, but, if its serious going to be considered as a HAM ship, HAM's need a little more range in my opinion.

HAM's, in general, are still neglected a lot in PVP except in wormhole space, mainly because basically all short range weapons with similar damage output have better range. HAM legions are popular in wormhole space, but that's because most fighting is done, well, on a wormhole. It will see a lot of use in hole, I believe, but I don't think your going to see HAM Claymore's actually used in PVP very often.

I think the Minmatar just have a good ratting, active, PVE heavy missile boat now.

Astarte is fine l2p

Nice changes, but why keep the local rep bonuses? These are gang ships as defined by their role, and local reps are useless in any gang setting. Change it for a hitpoint bonus instead to differentiate from the resist bonus on amarr/caldari.

As it stands it's a logical contradiction that means armor fleets won't have skirmish links when you remove off-grid boosts.

The damnation still has the 10% HP bonus really OP comes to mind....

Also was expecting more HP

EOS has a Hybrid tracking bonus why?

Command ships serve as the flagships of the commander of a fleet. They provide communications, office space, and accommodations for a fleet commander and his staff, and serve to coordinate fleet activities.

(...) command ship features the command and control components prevalent on landing ships (command) and also feature the capability to land troops and equipment. These forces will be slightly less than on a pure landing ship due to the nature of the ship as a command vessel (...)

Command Ships don't feel individualized or focused anymore. They all do similar things even if certain boost types they have are "secondary" to their race. If you, Fozzie, want to make T2 ships truly specialized then just give them a bonus to one link type..

I still think either the Damnation should lose one of its double tank bonuses or the other Command ships should be complimented similarly. Otherwise, the tanking potential on the Damnation is going to be too appealing to use an Astarte or any of the Gallente boats in an armor fleet.

Similarly, one of the shield CSs should be compensated with a shield hp bonus to give shield fleet FCs an option.

You can look at in terms of effective turrets.

Sleipnir goes from 11.6666 effective turrets to 11.25
Astarte goes from 10.9 effective turrets to 10
Abso stays at 10 effective turrets

Hey Fozzie, where are you getting 11.25 for the Sleipnir? I get the same answer as you for the "before" picture:
7 turrets * 1.25 (+25% damage) / 0.75 (+25% RoF) = 11.66

But for after I only get:
5 turrets * 2 (+100% damage) = 10

OMG! Fail! Let CCP Rise do the job... and Eos/Ishtar bonus on specific Drones makes the other useless, while all other ships channel all their bonuses into one type of weapon... I really hope that Armor Rep will work someday... but it seems not to be in the near future... We wont see any Gallente command ships in the near future...

We want there to be a variety of different ships for people to fly that have different skill levels. Command ships require a lot of training, this is part of their design. Until that training is complete there's a lot of other options including the T1 battlecruisers or Navy Battlecruisers, both of which are a lot of fun in combat and are very capable of providing helpful gang links to your fleetmates.

so minmatar and gallente command ships get a local rep bonus which makes them useless in fleet fights and reduce them to small scale fights with active tank or off-grid boosting

i thought you wanted to get rid of off-grid boosting? why cant all races have 1 local tank boost and 1 buffer tank version so all races have a viable choice for either situation

/Maniacal Laugh

Are you sure?



It's brawler? It uses blasters?

EOS is a droneboat.........

Oh lol, another gallente drone ship with a turret tracking bonus. So the eos has 3 bonuses while everyone else has 4?

The Eos is a close range Brawler, hence the bonus to heavy drones only. the tracking bonus makes blasters and heavy drones a deadly combo.

Absolution:
Fittings: 1500 PWG (-75),

Damnation:
Fittings: 1300(-290) PWG

Astarte:
Fittings: 1350 PWG (-100)

Eos:
Fittings: 1200 PWG (-225)

Sleipnir:
Fittings: 1300 PWG (-160)

Claymore:
Fittings: 1100 PWG (-290)

Nighthawk:
Fittings: 825 PWG (+115), 550 CPU (-5)

So many of these ships are already super tight on powergrid using a proper fit. I see here most of them are actually getting powergrid reductions in the same context of wanting to have them include ganglinks on board which use 200 powergrid each just for the t1 version. I also included the nighthawk here which is notoriously tight on CPU and its actually losing another 5 cpu. This really doesn't make any sense to me.