3) Remove +10 hp for Damnation and give it +5 rate of fire to missiles. Otherwise it won't be a combat ship.

lol @ point 1.

I get angry if my ships have odd placed guns. You'll find the ships do actually have as many turret slots as there are high slots though. If you just place the guns in the latter slots first they'll show in different places on the ship model :)

We shall see, but I have my doubts. I've use this as an expensive gun boat for quite some time and accepted the cost and risk. Not sure it's worth it now.

Oh and since when do we use effective turrets, as any kind of metric? I would much prefer to know the actual % loss tbh.

There's almost no loss of dps, as far as I can tell a dual rep neutron fit drops only 43 dps (770 > 727, Void, Hammers, no dmg mods) but gains 100m/s speed, medium NOS (and link with fitting implants), and with the rep buffs also 250 hp/s tank. Astarte looks p good tbh.

As a curious hilarisoty (likely not a word), MAAR+MAR+RAH fit with T2 resist link and Standard Exile tanks 10719 dps against Kinetic missiles. 4324 against antimatter. Will fly.

You can easily make it gankier, that is low dps I agree and I just used that fit to compare the loss of dps. 52K EHP with Hype-like tank is quite enough for small gang work imho.

Yeah, one cap booster is always a gamble, but the NOS helps a bit. I regard kin/them as the highest threat on TQ these days, and 1360 hp/s tank against Barrage isn't actually crap either.

It's true that neither Astarte or Eos will not start working in blobs, which was probably one of the concerns that you refer to, but these changes do have a positive net effect for small gang use imo. T2 Brutix obviously shares all the drawbacks of it's big-sig, slowish blaster T1 BC brother, but Gallente can't have all the candy.

And currently we have most of the candy in EVE, Gallente OP -threads will start popping up this autumn.

finally somebody who isn't stuck in the now century old winmatar mentality

Looking only at the defensive bonus type, I think most people would feel happier with something like this:

Gallente field command: +% to armor repairer amount
Gallente fleet command: +% to armor resists

Amarr field command: +% to armor repairer speed (cycle reduction)
Amarr fleet command: +% to armor resists

Minmatar field command: +% to shield booster amount
Minmatar fleet command: +% to shield resists

Caldari field command: +% to shield base regen
Caldari fleet command: +% to shield resists

The actual percentages would need to be fine-tuned, and the field command defensive bonuses could move around (ex., maybe give more shield regen to Minmatar and better shield boosting to Caldari, or replace the base shield regen bonus with a shield booster cycle duration, etc.), but the general idea is:

Field command ships: better bonus for small gangs (local repair, self-reliant)
Fleet command ships: better bonus for fleets (resists, rely on remote reps)

i just really really dont like this update... ******* over command ships damage is NOT something that needs to be done.

dont touch my nighthawk
or ill cut you..

i will allow you to give it more resists and +100 pg though.

could these ships to split into two roles?
like the original ones

fleet command ships should be tankier by a lot
maybe give them shield/armor hp bonuses
field command ships should be faster and push out more dps/ more drones

can we get away from the field / fleet roles please?
I'm sick of fleets being so poor that on one puts weapons on them and fields being like HAC versions of bc's..
Also the cargo amounts vary wildly please normalize it.

Vulture
- needs some proper dps its NOT a sniper

Damantion
- dps is still lame and is overtanky

Eos/Astarte
- active reps on a fleet ship is pointless if it gets alpha-ed off the field immediately

Claymore
- active reps on a fleet ship is pointless if it gets alpha-ed off the field immediately

Sleipnir
- active reps on a fleet ship is pointless if it gets alpha-ed off the field immediately would like to see it become armour tanked as it will be a cane soon and could provide a armour link alternative as minnie are 50/50 armour shield tanked it makes more sense.

Nighthawk
- not too convincing claymore robs its best bonus .. seems to lack about 250 pg just for normal fit

Absolution
- looking better needs more tank like they all do .. besides damnation ofc

Yet again not understanding that you don't always fight 100 alphamaels... and how does the nighthawk need another 250 base pg? Do you fit your nighthawks with XL-ASBs?


Edit: Agree though that minmatar/gallente CS should have substantial cargo holds, as they are the ships carrying loads of cap boosters around. If flying a amarr/caldari CS, you very likely got capchains in your fleet.

I'm kinda worried about the lack of a damage application bonus on the abso.

Absolution retains the dated 10% cap usage


Damanation has 10% velocity

Nighthawk has 5% bonus to Heavy Assault Missile and Heavy Missile explosion radius (was explosion velocity)

Vulture has 2x 10% Optimal

Astarte has 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff

Eos has: 7.5% bonus to Heavy Drone tracking and microwarp velocity (was drone bay bonus)
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking (was link bonus)

Sleip has: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff

And Claymore has: 5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile explosion velocity (was MPT tracking)


Basically every other ship gets similar damage boosts save the damnation and the eagle, and the abso has cap usage instead.

I'd prefer a small 7.5% optimal/level so as to help with damage application. As it stands the damnation is just a much more efficient damage projector and in most engagements would do more damage due to that fact alone (They're both bricks)